Knicks Morning News (2016.12.12)

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Rose, Porzingis play big in win over Lakers
    (Monday, December 12, 2016 6:01:33 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Rose, Porzingis play big in win over Lakers

  • [ESPN] Rose has 25 in return; ‘nothing wrong’ with back
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 2:15:01 PM)

    Rose has 25 in return; ‘nothing wrong’ with back

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis, Derrick Rose help Knicks edge Lakers, 118-112
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:54:37 PM)

    Phil Jackson’s greatest move as Knicks president was on full and incredible display at the Staples Center

  • [NYDN] Metta World Peace: Tension between Carmelo, Phil good for Knicks
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:20:19 PM)

    Metta World Peace understands Phil Jackson likes to motivate through criticism.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson warns Knicks to watch out for Lakers’ Lou Williams
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 11:46:49 AM)

    Phil Jackson gave the Knicks a warning for their game Sunday against the Lakers: watch out for Lou Williams.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose says he’ll be ready to go for Knicks vs. Lakers
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 10:39:28 AM)

    As expected, the Knicks will have Derrick Rose for Sunday night’s game against the Lakers in Los Angeles.

  • [NYPost] Porzingis busts out of slump with monstrous swatting display
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:07:54 PM)

    LOS ANGELES — Kristaps Porzingis’ star shined brightest in Hollywood on Sunday. In a spectacular two-way tour de force that ended his slump, Porzingis bashed the Lakers for 26 points, a career-high-tying seven blocks and 12 rebounds as the Knicks won their fourth straight road game, a 118-112 Staples Center victory. Team president Phil Jackson…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson already advising Lakers coach in possible sign of bolt
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 2:23:10 PM)

    LOS ANGELES — Is Phil Jackson already assuming the role of Lakers consultant? Lakers rookie head coach Luke Walton admits he’s been in contact with Jackson from time to time to get advice — including right after he got the job last spring and as recently as three weeks ago. Walton is one of Jackson’s…

  • [NYPost] Profane Metta World Peace: Carmelo-Phil feud what stuffy Knicks need
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 10:47:37 AM)

    LOS ANGELES – Lakers forward Metta World Peace believes the Carmelo Anthony-Phil Jackson verbal war was great for the Knicks franchise because he feels the Garden culture is “so tense” and needs “controversy.” World Peace said he loved that Anthony never “backed down’’ from the Zen Master. The always mercurial Queensbridge product played one season…

  • [NYTimes] The Bane of the N.B.A. Coach: The In-Game Interview
    (Monday, December 12, 2016 1:07:36 AM)

    The 15 to 20 stolen seconds between quarters is a high-wire act for reporters and a disdained distraction for coaches.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks 118, Lakers 112: With Derrick Rose Back on Court, Knicks Handle Depleted Lakers
    (Monday, December 12, 2016 5:55:57 AM)

    Rose returned after recovering from back spasms, and the Knicks jumped to an early lead and held off a tenacious opponent.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis, Rose lead Knicks to 118-112 victory against Lakers
    (Monday, December 12, 2016 1:33:41 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis had 26 points and 12 rebounds, Derrick Rose scored 25 in his return from injury and the New York Knicks held off the Los Angeles Lakers 118-112 Sunday night for their sixth win in seven games.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose available, O’Quinn out for Sunday’s game vs. Lakers
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:18:39 PM)

    The Knicks (13-10) are off to their best start since a 54-win campaign in 2012-13 — the last season they made the playoffs. Coach Jeff Hornacek’s team will look to continue that momentum on Sunday when they take on the Lakers in Los Angeles in the second game of a five-game road trip.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jackson, Anthony clear air over differences
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:18:56 AM)

    Knicks team president Phil Jackson met with Carmelo Anthony this weekend, days after Jackson claimed Anthony was slowing down the team’s offense.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis dealing with right knee ‘pinch’
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:07:45 AM)

    Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis has been dealing with an issue in his right knee, which he has labeled as a “pinch.”

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis downplaying ‘pinch’ in knee
    (Monday, December 12, 2016 2:55:55 AM)

    LOS ANGELES — Kristaps Porzingis continues to downplay a right knee issue and said he’s not considering taking any games or practices off at this point.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis, Derrick Rose lead Knicks over Lakers
    (Monday, December 12, 2016 2:51:04 AM)

    LOS ANGELES — Derrick Rose showed no effects from a back issue that kept him out of the previous two games, and Kristaps Porzingis didn’t play like someone dealing with knee pain. And the Knicks continued to roll.

  • [NY Newsday] Metta World Peace impressed with Carmelo Anthony’s handling of Phil Jackson’s comments
    (Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:59:00 PM)

    Metta World Peace has been keeping a close eye on the Knicks and what’s been going on between Phil Jackson and Carmelo Anthony.

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    18 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.12.12)”

    1. Nice win by the Knicks. They are clearly superior to the Lakers, which surprises me. Melo was ice cold but Rose and KP picked him up. When 2 out of our big 3 are clicking, the offense is really good. Our defense continues to be an issue. KP needs to learn how to defend the 3-pt line.

      I LOVE the Metta World Peace article about Phil and how he works. I wonder if MWP changed Stephan Bondy’s opinion after this article. Just last week he penned a column that was entitled, “Phil Jackson’s Arrogance Has Warranted End to Knicks Presidency”. Now he writes this piece that explains that it’s Jackson’s way and well, you just can’t argue with those rings. I think not. The NYC media just wants chaos. It sells papers. What do you call a creature that feeds off of another creature regardless of the pain it causes? I think the word is “parasite”.

    2. Another mildly ugly win but as usual, I’ll take it.

      KP’s dominance last night just cements how awful that Noah signing was (in years for sure, but also dollars). I mean, against pretty much any team in the NBA except maybe a few – Atlanta (Howard), the Clippers (Jordan), Sacramento (Cousins), and OKC- would KP really struggle that much spending most of his time at the 5?

      I guess it would’ve been hard to predict how far along Hernangomez is and how well KOQ is playing, but it sure feels like that $18MM could have been far better spent on another position.

      Meanwhile, on the Derrick Rose watch – over the last 15 games he has a +4.8 net rating on the floor, and the knicks are a -5.8 net rating without him on the floor. A lot of that has to do with missing the Cleveland game, but that net rating is the highest on the team (+10.6) during that stretch.

      It’s kind of getting hard to argue that he’s been anything but a very pleasant surprise.

      I wonder whether there are stats about how many 2nd half double digit leads a team has had. I feel like we would be a highly ranked team by that stat even though our win point differential is poor. We just cannot put teams away, and that leads to KP playing 39 minutes again last night.

    3. Also re: KP — remember how embarrassed he was after he got mercilessly pushed around on the boards by OKC? He’s really increased his activity level on the defensive glass since – DRB of ~17% pre-OKC to 19% since. That doesn’t seem like a huge difference but in terms of individual player rankings that would push him up by about 20 places.

      That’s what I love about this guy – when he’s struggling, the answer is “i have to work harder” – no excuses. And then he goes out there and does it.

      Meanwhile – D’angelo Russell looks like trash out there. Yes there was rust, but maaaaaaan are we happy we got KP instead of Russell or Okafor.

    4. KP’s dominance last night just cements how awful that Noah signing was (in years for sure, but also dollars). I mean, against pretty much any team in the NBA except maybe a few – Atlanta (Howard), the Clippers (Jordan), Sacramento (Cousins), and OKC- would KP really struggle that much spending most of his time at the 5?

      I guess it would’ve been hard to predict how far along Hernangomez is and how well KOQ is playing, but it sure feels like that $18MM could have been far better spent on another position.

      I’d love to play out the season before deciding whether Noah is that much of an albatross. He’s certainly had a slow start (although 13+ rebs and 5 assists per 36 plus a high FG% by his standards is really not terrible), but I think, maybe irrationally, that he is going to round into form. Maybe not into an $18 million player, but something substantially more “on paper” productive.

      At the same time, I don’t think you can discount the impact Noah has had on KP’s giant sophomore leap, the 180-degree turn Kyle O’Quinn has made, and the surprise emergence of Henangomez as an NBA-ready rotation player. Noah is the only battle-tested veteran big man on our roster, and all three of KP, KOQ and WHG absolutely rave about him and how he has helped them improve their own games. I don’t think a team with aspirations to make some noise in the playoffs can do without an experienced big man who brings what he does to the table. So we’ll see. I wouldn’t be upset if the next CBA gives us an amnesty clause but I also wouldn’t be in a rush to throw him overboard yet.

      Speaking of being upset, how’s the Rose-hating crowd doing this morning? Still the worst PG in the NBA? Still not a scoring threat? Anyone still pining for the dream team of Calderon and Jerian Grant? That’s what I thought ;)

    5. I’m sure he’s had some to do with the development of the young bigs, but $18MM and especially 4 years is not what you pay an assistant coach.

    6. KP’s dominance last night just cements how awful that Noah signing was (in years for sure, but also dollars). I mean, against pretty much any team in the NBA except maybe a few – Atlanta (Howard), the Clippers (Jordan), Sacramento (Cousins), and OKC- would KP really struggle that much spending most of his time at the 5?

      Honestly, I continue to be confused about how the deal even made sense to Noah. The Knicks couldn’t have been the only team to be offering the money he got, could they? You’d think that he would have realized that other teams had a clearer use for him long term. Maybe the Knicks were the only team offering him money that good. If that was the case, then mystery’s solved. :)

    7. The Noah contract is bad, but nothing about last night makes me believe KP is ready to play 5 like 70-80% of the time. Noah and Willy played about 40 minutes combined, so for most of the game we played with 2 bigs and did so effectively. Also over the course of the season we’ve consistently played well with KP at the 4 next to one of our bigs.

      Melo shot like crap, but he was really making great passes out of the double teams the Lakers sent at him in the first half. They didn’t double nearly as much in the 2nd and with his shot off, Melo couldn’t make them pay. 118 on a night where he’s ice cold speaks to the firepower this team has.

      Willy’s really good and he has much quicker feet than I expected. His wingspan limits his rim protection though, which the Knicks combatted when Mozgov was off the floor by having KP on Nance, the nominal 5 and man closer to the rim, while Willy defended Randle.

      Lou Williams is a professional scorer and a great cutter. He got the back door on Holiday several times in the 2nd quarter.

    8. A few thoughts on last night:

      How about Rose eh? We may have a player on our hands. A certain poster really loved the trade and definitely envisioned nights like this.

      KP….I kinda knew he would break out against a young LAL team and it was sure good to see, even more so on. The defensive end. I’d like to see give Melo the night off in Phx. I think we are good enough to beat them without him, he clearly can’t score when his legs aren’t there.

    9. Unrelated, but Jim Cavan is on this week’s episode of The New York Knicks Podcast. I don’t know how many of you are listeners, but it’s a podcast done by a couple of regular joes. They aren’t the most statistically savvy pair, but they are pretty hilarious at times. It should be particularly interesting to hear Jim’s thoughts on these Knicks.

    10. Maybe the Knicks were the only team offering him money that good. If that was the case, then mystery’s solved. :)

      It was rumored at the time and Rose mentioned in an interview earlier this season that Noah had a bigger contract on the table from Washington.

    11. Speaking of being upset, how’s the Rose-hating crowd doing this morning? Still the worst PG in the NBA? Still not a scoring threat? Anyone still pining for the dream team of Calderon and Jerian Grant? That’s what I thought ;)

      It’s not about hating Rose. It’s just that he’s one of those guys where the bad outweighs the good, but he scores pointz so whatever. Obviously in a good game he looks unstoppable, but then again Jerome James looked like a behemoth for an entire playoff series and we should remember well how that ended, am I right? That said, for now Rose exceeded my expectations, which were super low.

      Also, Calderon is a clear example of the fact that efficiency is not enough if not paired with other skills like “not moving like a sloth” and “shooting the ball faster than an effing slo-mo replay”

    12. It’s just that he’s one of those guys where the bad outweighs the good, but he scores pointz so whatever.

      If he played like he did last year I 100% agree, but he has been better than that and had a positive impact on the team’s offense.

    13. It’s not about hating Rose. It’s just that he’s one of those guys where the bad outweighs the good, but he scores pointz so whatever.

      Has the bad outweighed the good this year?

      Every time one of you “realists” writes “pointz” it tickles me. Like scoring is bad lol

    14. Loved the win last night, and KP was a monster. Still, I’d love for us to close out teams a bit earlier when we have a big lead to get him off the floor.

      KP looked winded at times, and took a few tumbles. Even that ridiculous shot where he scored I would trade for keeping him upright instead. That’s a big redwood to come crashing down.

    15. Has the bad outweighed the good this year?

      Honestly, not. But I think we shouldn’t jump to any conclusion as of now (and we have to keep track of what happened in the past: my answer was meant as “it’s not that people hate Rose, is that his game in the last years was full of warts. It’s ok to be wary of Rose”).

      I have to admit he seems to start being comfortable running this team. He doesn’t run it like I’d like to, but then again you can’t have everything, can you? I’d say one thing: he’s quite big for a PG and that is important on the boards and sometimes on defense. It’s much better than I thought.

    16. Every time one of you “realists” writes “pointz” it tickles me. Like scoring is bad lol

      Scoring is not bad but it can be attained in a wide array of ways. Many of them are not efficient, but there’s a cultural bias where 20 PPG on middling efficiency and no defense >> 12 PPG on great efficiency and good defense (not accusing anyone here). I know that scoring is needed, but for example the Sixth Man of the Year award is often a travesty because people tend to look at “hey, who’s scoring the most points from the bench?” and not at “who’s helping his team win games while not starting?”. Scoring is much different than contributing positively. Should I make a list of a lot of scorers who were terrible basketball players?

    17. It occurred to me last night that Deng’s entire aging curve in an inexorable descent toward becoming Lance Thomas.

    18. coring is not bad but it can be attained in a wide array of ways. Many of them are not efficient, but there’s a cultural bias where 20 PPG on middling efficiency and no defense >> 12 PPG on great efficiency and good defense (not accusing anyone here).

      So true. Winning teams like the Spurs and Warriors are filled with guys who now fit this bill like Gasol, Mills and Green.

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