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  • Karl-Anthony Towns sure didn?t look soft as Knicks? Game 3 spark ? and it rescued his dizzying series – New York Post
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  • Towns scores 31, Brunson has 30 and Knicks beat Pistons for a 2-1 lead in series – Benzie County Record Patriot
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  • Knicks incredulous after clock mix-up in final second: ?What did you expect?? – New York Post
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  • How Karl-Anthony Towns was unlocked in Knicks? Game 3 win over Pistons – The New York Times
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  • Knicks-Pistons: 5 takeaways as New York’s stars meet Detroit challenge in Game 3 – NBA
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  • Pistons, Knicks miffed by officiating in bizarre ending – MSN
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  • Jalen Brunson takes abuse, silences Pistons fans as Knicks take 2-1 series lead – SNY
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  • Thibodeau on Towns’ performance in Knicks’ win: ‘He’s unfazed’ – BasketNews.com
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  • Knicks 118-116 Pistons (25 Apr, 2025) Final Score – ESPN
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  • OG Anunoby follows through on his Cade Cunningham vow in Knicks? Game 3 win – New York Post
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  • Mitch Albom: Even with Pistons Game 3 loss, Detroit is a hoops town again – Detroit Free Press
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  • Jalen Brunson helps Knicks? ball movement come alive in encouraging Game 3 sign – New York Post
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  • 54 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2025.04.25)”

    The good:

    * Thibs, Brunson, and KAT all finally recognized the huge mismatch advantage they have in KAT, and the importance of letting him cook from outside, and of getting Detroit in foul trouble with his drives and post-ups.
    * A lot less of the tunnel-visioned play from Brunson, until we needed the hero ball at the end.
    * OG and Mikal played great on both ends.
    * Josh Hart did all the Josh Hart things.

    THE BAD:

    * We couldn’t put Detroit away, no matter how big the lead got. There’s always some vet who goes microwave against us: Schroeder last time, Timmy this time.
    * While the double-big lineup with Mitch and KAT looked good, we basically got nothing from the rest of the bench. Deuce just doesn’t look right. It’s great that all of the starters played well, but part of the reason it’s hard to put other teams away is that most of the other playoff-level teams have a substantial depth advantage on us.

    THE UGLY:

    * The clock fiasco at the end. Silver needs to step in right away on this to prevent every home team from trying to follow suit with these shenanigans.

    Oh, and re: the NFL draft, I was exasperated at the Giants trading up for Dart when 1)It seemed like at least one of the top 3 remaining QBs would be there for them at 34, and 2)It seemed like a lot of terrific prospects at positions of need would also be there at 34. But then it turned out that all the defensive tackles and interior offensive linemen got taken in the lower part of the round, leaving no non-QB that would be a no-brainer at 34. And there was a lot of talk after the fact about how the Rams were going to take Dart with the next pick. (They traded out of that spot once we took him, albeit for a ridiculous overpay from Atlanta.)

    If Daboll and Schoen are convinced that Dart is The Guy, then you make that trade a hundred times out of a hundred. But their track record doesn’t automatically give me faith that they’re right about him.

    They mentioned during the broadcast that the league already provides neutral clock operators for the playoffs, so I don’t think any further action is necessary. It was just human error. We’ll have to live with it until ai takes over.

    Well, they already came up with a rule to avoid the slow buzzer start with shots (you know, a shot cannot be attempted with less than 0.3 seconds left, because the human error of the button pressing takes longer than 0.3 seconds), so why not just come up with a rule that says that rebounds off of missed free throws automatically take half a second off of the shot clock (or whatever time you want to choose) if the buzzer goes off too early?

    it seems like a simple fix that no team would object to.

    What I didn’t understand is why Detroit was awarded the basketball. It should’ve been a jump ball. The buzzer went off before anyone had possession, so imminent possession should not apply.

    Agreed with everything Alan, alas Deuce has never been the same
    (except for some flashes) after his last injury but I hope for him to give us a good game soon, he could be a game changer.

    4th Quarter is JB’s reign and no one’s questioning this, but in the first three the few times we strayed away from the mantra of sharing the ball and play a little faster than usual we were punished, we’re way better when every starter is involved on offense and I think it helps keeping JB’s legs fresher for the last mile.

    Also. the two wings did a very good job on defense and even KAT made a couple of nice defensive plays.

    The clock fiasco was a very bad look for the League and exposed a clear fault in the rules, just imagine what would have happened if the Pistons had hit an Hail Mary.

    Wanna make sure I say this before adulting takes over and it leaves my mind…

    Either our Knicks are not playing well enough, or Detroit is a bit better than I thought they were. I’m leaning towards the latter because holy shit that is one tough team! You know who they are? The Knicks in Captain Clutch’s first season on the team. We’re far from who Cleveland was then because Thibs is still better than Bickerstaff, and we’re more battle tested than Cleveland was then. Oh..and we have more options on offense. Nonetheless, there are alot of similarities between this year’s Pistons and 22’s Knicks- especially in playing style. And I love it. We’re gonna be damn near worn out by the end of this series though. I’m still thinking Knicks in 5, but it’s gonna take everything we have

    Deuce has never been the same (except for some flashes) after his last injury but I hope for him to give us a good game soon, he could be a game changer.

    Thibs was never going to bench Hart, anyway, and we got a good reminder why last night. But Deuce being a shell of himself means there’s barely any point to going to a “the starters minus Hart plus Deuce” group for parts of the game to open up the spacing. Shamet or Payne could theoretically take that spot, but neither of them has played great either, outside of Payne saving the day in Game 1.

    If you wanted to describe what we expected from the Bridges trade, last night was kind of it. Solid on both sides of the ball, efficient, active hands, etc.

    We can argue forever about the 5 draft picks, but if he plays like that the rest of the playoffs, it’s a fair deal.

    What I didn’t understand is why Detroit was awarded the basketball. It should’ve been a jump ball. The buzzer went off before anyone had possession, so imminent possession should not apply.

    In theory you could use this to ice a game. Imagine if it were the reverse scenario, and the Knicks were on the trailing end. Instead of getting the ball out of bounds or even the rebound, the buzzer goes off early and now you don’t even get possession, it’s a jump ball. That wouldn’t be fair either.

    Also I didn’t end up watching the game last night, so you’re all welcome. I caught a few seconds here & there & watched the highlights this morning. I’m kinda glad, because I don’t know if I could have taken a game like that.

    I was exasperated at the Giants trading up for Dart when 1)It seemed like at least one of the top 3 remaining QBs would be there for them at 34

    I agree but this is Mara’s folly. If you publicly tell a guy his job is on the line and also publicly tell him his #1 priority is getting a QB, you’ve really boxed him in.

    I think Schoen’s record over the last year or so has actually been great:

    1. Letting Barkley go turned into Abdul Carter. For a team in our position, trading a few years of a RB’s prime for a difference maker on defense is a huge win.

    2. The Burns trade was brilliant.

    3. His draft class from last year is outstanding.

    This is the best work we have seen from a Giants’ GM since Ernie Accorsi. Mara needs to pipe down and accept that he let Dave Gettelman run this team into the ground so it’s going to take some time.

    We should have stayed put and selected the BPA every time. If the Rams took Dart, so be it. We need linemen, and there’s probably going to be a QB better than available with our first round pick next year. But Mara’s cranky insistence on a QB forced the issue and cost us two good players. Within the context of his meddling, I think this was a good outcome.

    Great win. Detroit is tough. We all said we’d rather face the Bucks and this is why.

    The trend this series is we can go on huge runs with our offensive talent that they have no answer for but their toughness and never give up attitude can help them claw back. But last night even though they won both quarters in the second half we were able to answer every punch they threw at us.

    I said if they lost last night the series would be over. I said that bc they needed to show some mental toughness to me and also show they knew what adjustments needed to be made. They did both of those things last night.

    The bench is a problem though. I guess it has been all season. I’d like Delon to possibly get some minutes.

    I liked Deuce but if Kolek is ready next season and we can keep cam and Delon, I’d maybe look to move Deuce for a bench SF.

    The ideal move for me would be a stretch 4 or 5 who can board and play D and is fine with a lower usage role who could start, move OG to SF and Hart to the bench. But we probably don’t have the assets to make that move. So outside of that I’d look for that extra bench piece who can provide scoring in the SF spot. This was the dream of TJ Warren and what Dadiet could potentially give us one day.

    Within the context of his meddling, I think this was a good outcome.

    Yeah, and it seems as if all the linemen (on either side of the ball) who would have been worthy of picking at 34 were gone. I know nothing about college football, it’s a lot of skill position players, pass rushers, and defensive backs — areas where our need is much lesser.

    Again, I don’t love it. But the way the back half of the round played out, it’s a lot less egregious.

    You know who they are? The Knicks in Captain Clutch’s first season on the team.

    100% agree.

    There’s nothing bad about being in a competitive series with this team. We’re not that good and they’re not that bad.

    Detroit is a tough out. They have shown everything you could want of a team that won 14 games last year or whatever it was. They don’t seem fazed by the moment.

    Cade is interesting. I like his non-scoring contributions. He’s a defensive presence with his size and length and can rebound and run the break pretty well. On offense he does something which we rarely see from any Knick, which is beat his defender off the dribble cleanly. He uses his strength quite well – once he turns the corner he is pretty much gone. And he makes his free throws.

    That said, he seems to miss a fair amount of shots. He doesn’t have that coveted 60% ts% like Brunson. Brunson is 5% ahead of him in the playoffs too. And that makes all the difference.

    I hated the trade up (and was surprised) when it happened and i still very much do not like the QB, but in retrospect we didn’t give up too much to do it. I think it was a 90ish something pick this year, and another 3rd next year.

    As for the Knicks, Towns really needs to be the absolute focal point of the offense against this team. They have no one that can guard him. I’m glad he asserted himself/the coach got a clue yesterday.

    I’m wondering if Brunson is banged up. He really seems to be having trouble handling the ball this series.

    Detroit is a good, scrappy team, but they have absolutely no one at this stage of their career that scares you on offense. We should be able to shut down their offense for long stretches. I think we have been the victims of bad luck and bad strategy so far. My expectation is that we win this series and there is really no excuse for it to go more than 6 games.

    or Detroit is a bit better than I thought they were

    Detroit is pretty good. Right off the bat their pythagorean record was 46-36 and their net rating was 12th, and there are legitimate reasons to believe they’re better than that looks. I’m on the record as not being a huge fan of the arbitrary endpoint game, but there are times the endpoints aren’t necessarily arbitrary.

    Since Ivey went down, their net rating is 8th (16th ranked offensive rating, 4th ranked defensive rating). This encompasses the majority of the season–it’s since January 2nd, so 50 games.

    Then you have the post-Schroeder team, which encompasses 30 games and has the 6th best net rating in the league (10th ranked offense, 7th ranked defense). This is of particular importance to this series because Dennis Schroeder has decided to play like Steph Curry.

    Realistically Detroit is probably somewhere in the middle of all of these numbers, but they’ve quite frankly been better than the Knicks for the majority of the season, so I’d happily celebrate even a hard fought series win.

    Yeah, I’d like to take whatever Schroder is taking.

    He has a 73% ts% and may actually have been the best player in this series so far.

    I am pretty impressed with Duren too. Has the kind of size you can’t teach.

    I think Schoen’s record over the last year or so has actually been great:

    Easy there big boy.

    A pretty well know guy from Jersey once said, “You are what your record says you are,” and Schoen’s record must be looked at over the 3 seasons he’s been at the helm, not just the last 12 months.

    You are dismissing his 2 horrible first drafts where he was gifted with the 5th and 7th picks and came out with one of the biggest busts in draft history (Neal) and a decent edge (Kayvon) who is hardly the star one expects from a top 5 pick. Then Robinson at 2 who catches a bunch of 7 yard passed on third and 9 with the smallest catch radius in the league. His third round picks that year (Ezudu and Flott) were complete busts.

    The next year he traded up to get Banks who has impressed no one and greatly underperformed with zero ball skills and John Michael Schmidt consistently grades out as one of the worst starting centers in the NFL.

    This past season he hit a home run with his first pick and has a number of promising other picks in that draft. True.

    Yeah, I’d like to take whatever Schroder is taking.

    He has a 73% ts% and may actually have been the best player in this series so far.

    Career .343 shooter from deep (.302 with Detroit this year) is 8-13 in this series, so hopefully the effects of his dexterity boosting potion are about to expire.

    Yeah, I mean we all kind of agreed we wanted The Bucks over Detroit and we’re seeing why.

    Hubs, you said something at the end of the game thread that I really agreed with. That this was a good test for our team. Obviously, getting through this series isn’t going to suddenly turn us into contenders that can knock off Boston, Cleveland and OKC, but if we stick with the premise that this is year one of this core and that the team is mostly a finished product, this is absolutely a good challenge for our team as Detroit’s toughness and physicality is making us answer some questions about the character/make up of this team. Beating them, especially if we can knock them out in 5, will answer some of the questions about us being soft or having locker room issues.

    And as far as locker room issues go, a series like this can go a long way towards forming a bond between the players. Maybe whatever gripes or grievances players have had will go away after this as they learn what it takes to win against a young, physical and hungry team.

    The Bucks would have been easier but maybe the challenge is good. Not for this year, per say, but towards the long term goal.

    I don’t want to think about the off season yet, but very curious what people think we should (and realistically can) do if we’re keeping the core of this team together.

    Yeah Schroeder is playing out of his mind. It doesn’t help that McBride has given us nothing so far.

    I honestly think Thibs should consider Wright. He gives you some size at the guard position, plays a more traditional ball movement PG role and Cam can still fire away as the SG off the bench. Or try some 3 guard line ups with McBride, Cam and Wright when you have the two bigs with Mitch and KAT.

    Still think Hart needs to play less but hard to do that when Shamet does nothing.

    What happens on the court and the talent differential are two entirely different things. Coaching, effort and playing the right way matter.

    I’ll say it again and keep saying it.

    The Knicks have much more talent in their starting 5 than Detroit.

    That they are playing us so tough is not an indication that they are very good (they are not) or better than we thought (they are not).

    It’s an indication that we are underperforming our talent, primarily on offense.

    We know our weaknesses on defense, but they are not loaded with all top defenders either. They just play really hard, which is a credit to them and their coach.

    The huge talent gap is on offense. We have not been getting the most out of our players on offense due to coaching, lack of movement and too much Brunson hero ball. Last night we were better, but I think we can do even better.

    The main reason they stayed in the game last night is that they got hot from 3 and we left them open a few times. That kept them in the game. They aren’t going to shoot 3s like that every night. In fact, I said that was one way I could see them getting one a game from us.

    If we play the right way on offense, there’s no reason we can’t win the next two, but if we play like we did in the first two games, we are still in trouble. It’s on Thibs and Brunson.

    Detroit is a good, scrappy team, but they have absolutely no one at this stage of their career that scares you on offense. We should be able to shut down their offense for long stretches.

    Some of y’all looking at this the wrong way. It’s not that Detroit has no one who scares you. It’s that they have no one who sucks. All these guys folks disrespectfully call retreads (Harris, Hardaway, Schroeder, Beasley) are good.

    Leon built a basketball team the stupid way. He took the 2019 Warriors model of stars and scrubs and applied to a team that didn’t have peak Curry, Thompson, Durant, and Green.

    Detroit built a team smartly: they eliminated weakness and stacked decent basketball players.

    “In theory you could use this to ice a game. Imagine if it were the reverse scenario, and the Knicks were on the trailing end. Instead of getting the ball out of bounds or even the rebound, the buzzer goes off early and now you don’t even get possession, it’s a jump ball. That wouldn’t be fair either.”

    t’s not that Detroit has no one who scares you. It’s that they have no one who sucks. All these guys folks disrespectfully call retreads (Harris, Hardaway, Schroeder, Beasley) are good.

    Detroit is the Knicks WE HERE team. Good first round exit team. Let’s see if they hand these guys two year deals now.

    i’m disappointed in how mitch has looked this series. for much of the year i had 80% of my hopium portfolio tied up in a magical mitchery tour where we flip the script on our suboptimal defense with mitch & kat minutes. and the thing is, physically he looks pretty damn good vs reasonable expectations. but the thing about mitch is that while he once had the game changing wildfire of a ben wallace and later picked of some of the discipline of ben wallace, he never quite captured them in the same bottle. that’s just to say he’s a strong defensive 5 and rebounder but not good enough to just be a total wash on offense outside of orb. and that is precisely what his recent incarnation is this series. he is just completely inert as a roll threat or in the dunker’s spot and obviously he’s not a high post pivot passer type. not all of this is on him. jalen would sooner lob to thibs than look mitch’s way. but even that blindspot isn’t 100% about jalen. because we obviously have our work cut out for us if we advance, it would be nice to see us really push that roll to him a bit and see if we can at least get the defense to remember that he is a giant person who exists and can dunk a basketball.

    Re: Dart

    He didn’t come onto the radar until DUKE!

    Duke bowl game

    Duke literally had their QB and half the starting D in the portal. It was a joke.

    I’m getting ready for Zach Wilson 2.0. Wilson is more physically talented. It’s not close. Maybe they saw something with his processing because it’s certainly not in his skill set or personal demeanor.

    Bust.

    With captain clutch, Mr. Jalen Brunson, the floor in NY has been a top 4 seed and a 2nd round on playoffs. As a backup coming of teh bench, he woudn’t let Dallas loose in the first round, – why would anyone think he was about to start now?

    For the first time ever, Knicks have a high IQ, 4th quarter killer and most folks don’t know how to plot that data point. Can’t believe I heard ESPN talking heads say Cade is the best player in this series. I’d argue KAT is better than him right now.

    https://x.com/TommyBeer/status/1915759056158945280

    (oops, hit save too soon!)

    In theory you could use this to ice a game. Imagine if it were the reverse scenario, and the Knicks were on the trailing end. Instead of getting the ball out of bounds or even the rebound, the buzzer goes off early and now you don’t even get possession, it’s a jump ball. That wouldn’t be fair either.

    Honestly, I could live with that outcome. In general, I want the outcome that is most consistent with what actually happened. In this case, the shot was executed perfectly, with the expectation that if Detroit got the rebound, they had no time outs, and even if they did, there is time elapsing between getting the rebound and calling a TO. Even if it’s 0.1 seconds, that would make a difference.

    In this case, the buzzer sounded prematurely, well before anyone had possession of the ball. When that happens, nothing should be assumed, and if it is, it should be with the lapse of time built into the assumption.

    The net effect of what happened is that Detroit got a TO that they didn’t have, got a rebound with no time elapsing (which would have been the case if either Brunson had missed the rim, or the carom went out of bounds untouched), got to inbound from the side rather than the baseline which made the distance to their basket shorter and eliminated the basket as an obstruction, and subsequently had a chance to set up a winning play that, while wildly improbable, was not justified by anything they did or the Knicks didn’t do. I am confident that if the Knicks had benefitted from that instead of been harmed by it, I would have still been objective and said that the Pistons got jobbed by a bad rule or ruling (and I still wonder whether there was any flexibility about imminent possession or clock runoff, which there absolutely should have been.)

    The simple solution is that the other teams gets the ball but there needs to be a set time taken off the clock

    “The simple solution is that the other teams gets the ball but there needs to be a set time taken off the clock”

    I’d be fine with either the run-off or a jump ball with no run-off, but you can’t give them both the ball and no run-off.

    Agreed. Otherwise it’s a free time out and sideout for the team getting the ball

    pt, agree on Mitch, seems like the whole PnR lob threat thing is non-existent. I also don’t see the same tenacity on the offensive boards.

    OTOH, Duren is very impressive, makes rookie-ish mistakes but tough as nails and as fast-twitch and athletic as any big in the NBA. Of course, we made Paul Reed look like Willis Reed, so there’s that.

    pt you owe us the definitive take on Mikal Bridges! Or did I misunderstand you and it was really just the Towns thing that you said when it was just us girls that you were holding back?

    OTOH, Duren is very impressive, makes rookie-ish mistakes but tough as nails and as fast-twitch and athletic as any big in the NBA.

    i’m not as impressed. i think he has made really poor decisions on defense repeatedly in this series. he’s just doesn’t see the game at even a modestly below average level yet for a 5. i don’t think it’s a coincidence that we’ve had a TS% of 49.5% shooting 57% at the rim in the 50 minutes he hasn’t played and 62.6% and 64% in the 94 he has. he’s definitely an absolute beast of an athlete with some ball skills to boot and was killing us on the roll in the first three quarters last night. he has a lot going for him but if you have to put tobias harris on towns and your 5 still can’t get in the right help positions it’s a tough liability.

    I love Duren on the offensive side of the ball but he seems to present all the problems on defense Towns does without nearly as much of the offensive benefit. He’s like Derrick Lively without the rim protection.

    my bland mikal bridge takes are…

    1. it’s completely fair to note that a good team should not weep over failing to exploit the full offensive capability of a costly acquisition. this is the nature of being a good team, you must pay the market price for a player whose offensive skills you probably can not fully utilize. this is fine because the marginal value of what you can sometimes use is very high. and to say this in english to appease the haters, we bought a mikal who had discovered a very decent midrange self creation game. this is just not that useful for a really good offense and so it is partly wasted. but it’s also not useless and could win you a key playoff game or two against the right opponent or with one of the big guns on the bench.

    2. but the disappointing thing about mikal to me is that the idea of him is an elite 3&D player who also has this extra juice that we will only sometimes need. the actuality is that his defense has been just okay and his 3s have been fine but not awesome. that is less great because you suddenly paid 3 unprotected picks 2 late picks and an unprotected swap for a guy who might be helping you less than, idk, lou dort or near deandre hunter range. it retrospect i think it was a bit optimistic to think that mikal’s disruption and ability to stifle the point of attack would magically return with less usage, as this is typically more a theory than a thing that actually happens.

    3. this doesn’t mean mikal has lost almost all value or can only be traded for 1 medium pick or poeltl. he still has the latent self creation game and he is still an insanely available very solid 3&D plus player. he is also quietly a very smart player and hasn’t quite gotten credit for the big strides he’s made throughout the year at getting smarter about working off ball in our somewhat scope limited offense. his 45 cuts and sliding to a spot while jalen bounces the ball have really gotten obviously better. i also think his effort in the playoffs has taken a nice tick up, perhaps because the cost of keeping up an iron man streak and a chipotle addiction while working for thibs is a bad combination for in season effort.

    4. so while some aspects of mikal have been disappointing and the price was immediately too high to ever theoretically recoup full value in a retrade, i think he still has a chunk of value and much of the problem with the price is less that he has been disappointing and more that the team simply wasn’t good enough to overpay for that sort of increment. only to a lesser extent is it because he has been somewhat disappointing as a defender and shooter.

    I’d be fine with either the run-off or a jump ball with no run-off, but you can’t give them both the ball and no run-off.

    Yeah, my wife watched the game with me was like “that makes no sense! Why are the getting rewarded for not getting the ball?”

    Honestly in this specific scenario just let Jalen shoot the free throw again? Or do a jump ball.

    It was crazy though. They got an extra free possession for doing NOTHING.

    Also, just want to say this. The people who are saying we’re not that good because Detroit is hard, doesn’t have a lot of talent…ya’ll need to stop it. They’re a good young team. They clearly got better as the season went on. They play tough and they play together.

    Or put it another way. If they were playing The Pacers instead of us, guarantee you the Pacers would not be up 2-0 on them. And while I don’t think they would hang with Boston or Cleveland, they would be putting up more of a fight than Miami or The Magic.

    There is an obvious gap between Cleveland/Boston and us and then there’s a gap between us and the remaining 5 teams in the playoffs. I would posit that Detroit is CURRENTLY the best out of those 5 teams and are only seated lower than Indy or The Bucks because they’re a young team that got better as the season wore on. I think they would beat Indy, Milwaukee, Orlando or Miami in a series and would put up more of a fight against Boston or Cleveland than their current first round opponents.

    I think they would beat Indy, Milwaukee, Orlando or Miami in a series and would put up more of a fight against Boston or Cleveland than their current first round opponents.

    Spot on.

    but the disappointing thing about mikal to me is that the idea of him is an elite 3&D player who also has this extra juice that we will only sometimes need.

    This is exactly the kind of player I assumed we were trading for, and I was totally comfortable with the fact that his stats would probably look underwhelming on a surface level relative to the pick package. So it goes when you’re trading for a purported final piece.

    Then he took fewer threes, made fewer among the threes he did take, underwhelmed defensively, and maybe most importantly, the entirety of the extra juice turned out to be midrange jumpers. As you noted those can be valuable! But I was hoping, at a minimum, maybe we’d get a free throw rate that was clearly distinguishable from Steve Novak’s too.

    Mikal last night was quietly good. Like I didn’t realize he had 20 but he just kind of got his in the flow of the game throughout. I thought he did well on D too.

    Are Mikal and KAT theatrics after every bucket or a made three regardless of the score or quarter annoying to anyone else or just me?

    I get the marginal or young players trying to get some attention and build their brand but not the 2nd and 3rd best players on a team trying to contend. KAT is a max money and highest paid player on the team…we expect him to play well and make an open three.

    Even the press conference after the game with JB and KAT…one is Kobe-esque job is not done professional telling Fred Katz he was out off line all-season and the other is clowning & laughing at every joke.

    https://x.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1915631728082682305

    Using other sports analogies…like in hockey…its “willing to go into the corners and win the one on one battles”…or in baseball a “pitcher grinding it out without their best stuff” or in football “winning in the trenches”…I thought last night was the first time this whole season…I saw a team that battled hard…and even more so did it on the road in the playoffs…let’s see if it carries over but to me they showed some “dog” last night ….finally

    agree with pt above on mitch…next to deuce…maybe the biggest disappointment…remember back in the day …his return was going to be a step function in terms of our capabilities…i really don’t see it…the game seems too fast for him..he stumbles…fumbles and unless an offensive board goes directly to him for a dunk…he can’t contribute on the offensive end (although knowing he’s never getting a lob pass might disincentivize him a bit)…he also seems to be consistently late on altering shots around the rim…and if he can’t do that…he’s not a big plus…

    getting the pistons was a win-win…if we can’t hack it against them…that was/should be the red flashing light for leon… and if we come through in 6 or 7…it will make us a bit more of a tougher out against boston…i hope they keep this intensity up…but no bench help will be counter to having fresh legs in the 4th qtr…which is no bueno…

    Director, yeah it’s slightly annoying. I think we just have to accept that KAT is a gigantic kid, as long as he plays like an adult for most of the time on the court, I can accept (and even appreciate) his kidlike antics otherwise.

    Bridges, on the other hand — I find his tongue-out head bobble thing to be downright frightening, like the way a circus clown can be frightening (a real clown, not Pags, whose schtick is just effing old and irritating).

    Director, agree on your take on the press conference. Embarrassing unless you win the chip. And cannot have been loved by everyone in the FO, which in itself is not a good thing.

    Shroeder may be among the most annoying opponents ever but found his Bridges celebration mocking yesterday quite funny!
    That’s how much i hate Kat’s and Mikal’s cringe-o-creepy celebrations…

    YEah, I understand a post three celebration if a guy is really hot (like he’s hit 3 or 4 in a row) or the team is going on some huge run or he hits a huge three that ties the game. But when it’s the first quarter and Mikal hits a corner 3, it’s like “dude you’re supposed to make that.”

    Some of you guys really go to extreme lengths just to find reasons to criticize KAT and Bridges…

    It’s like Doris Burke
    You either hate her or just can’t stand her!!!

    Is Tommy DeVito really requesting a trade now or is that made up?

    Mitch and Mikal are perfectly cromulent, they’re just finding their groove.

    To me, one of the dumbest sequences of the game was in the 3rd quarter, when Beasley made an impressive dunk, over celebrated (considering they were still down 8), and then proceeded to commit 2 stupid fouls within like 10 seconds.

    It’s like those NFL players who do elaborate touchdown celebrations after cutting the deficit to 17 points.

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