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It was a nice chance to put the Magic a little far behind the race to 4th, but a stinker, reality check, whatever you wanna call it, is bound to happen from time to time. It happened yesterday. The next 4 games will determine if it was just that or if we have reasons to be worried.
Great update, Mike K. To have only a brief text on the homepage, instead of the whole post. Thanks for that! š
Are we still on schedule to go 14-2? š
Alas, Strat, those bold predictions are a relic from the halcyon days before Kyrie laideth the smack down upon us.
The prediction game is tough. I placed a small bet on the Grizzlies to win it all at a big price. The ink was barely dry and the bad injury news started piling up.
I’m still fine with 13-3 or 12-4. I said we’d lose 3 or 4 out of Dallas, Orlando, Houston, Denver, Miami. Doesn’t really change with Brunson out, just becomes harder.
As much as I love OG now, games like yesterday make me wonder how much Iāll love him when heās making $35MM.
Fair point, Hubie. But I think it’s going to be a little less. 5/150 or something like that.
But he loves the Knicks so much that that $35 million will be a discount from the $40 million he’d expect from other teams!
That loss is chafing quite a bit still
The big trade doesnāt seem to be working miracles for either the Raptors or the Knicks.
woah woah max… careful there… the people who call it like they see it might change their name to RJMax or something…. or they might go two years into the archives to write a few hundred words into how they’re so not obsessed about results over such crazy talk….
An unfortunate loss, but as said before, without either of our all stars, it shouldn’t come as a surprise.
What did surprise me was first, the pooping on JHart in the thread yesterday, and then today’s Macri letter that verified what I hadn’t really noticed:
‘Since December 13, a span of 18 games, Josh Hart is shooting 36.5 percent from the field and a pitiful 21.7 percent from deep on 2.6 attempts per game.’
Yeah, uh without Jalen Brunson we do indeed have a usage problem. This is the kind of stunning insight I come to this place for.
Knicks are 6-2 since the trade with one of the losses in a game Brunson missed. 5 of the 6 wins have been by double digits.
Raptors are 3-5…
hopefully there’s clearer heads so we can discuss this without people hyperventilating…. here’s the problem in a nutshell:
Randle USG 31.2
McBride 20.8
DiVincenzo 21.9
Grimes 19.9
and then
Anunoby 15.7
look some of these are going to turn out ok… i like donte… he’s been playing stupendously well… mcbridge has shooting lights out.. so has grimes… but 1)there’s only so much catch and shoot opportunities in a given game… 2)there’s a very good chance these guys are not going to be shooting like this going forward…
then there’s Randle.. who’s been doing yeoman’s work the last month and a half… but come on…. Randle at 31.2 usg? does anyone think that’s going to turn out well?
OG had an efficient game last night… so did a lot of others.. but Max had it right… if you’re expected to the be the third option you need to generate shots… especially when your first and second options are not around or ineffective…
maybe he needs more time… but this was his exact problem in Toronto… theyve used him plenty of times to lead bench units and he cant do it.. look at his assist rates.. look at his free throw rates… he is a super version of josh hart and donte… that’s it…. that’s a very good player still… but not who you’re expecting…..
this stuff should not be all that controversial to point out… and you absolutely do not need to be a troll to have these opinions….
we’re talking about Alec Burks filling this third option spot… Alec Burks… if we’re talking about Alec Burks how bad really was RJ?
And the Knicksā offensive rating is up five points since the trade, despite 25% of those games involving Jalen Brunsonās street clothes.
DJ, you have interesting points and aren’t trolling, except when you say “if weāre talking about Alec Burks how bad really was RJ?”
The answer is he was one of the worst players in the league by almost every metric. Except, of course, usage…
“McBridge.” Lordy.
The way I see this is we should just not expect OG to be the 3rd option.
The problem I have with usage, which is a useful statistic in some ways, is that it might be the single worst stand-alone statistic out there. Without context, it’s really empty calories.
The other problem is I look at the Grizzlies beating the Warriors with NBS (Nothing But Scrubs). Somehow reallocation of use can be done effectively.
Was anyone denying we had a clear need for another high-ish usage option after the trade? IIRC the thread from the day of the trade itself pretty much became dedicated to brainstorming targets. I don’t know who this “I told you we need another high usage guy” victory lapping is supposed to be directed at, this is the consensus.
Obviously, with Brunson out this already existing problem is made approximately ten billion times more dire.
With the Knicks RJ had a .536 TS% on 27% USG. Old man Burchs has a .577 TS% on 23.9% USG this season.
I guess in light of this I don’t really understand your question?
We did improve our starting lineup with the trade, and maybe by a lot, but our depth is less. On nights like last night when we need depth because of injuries, the lack shows.
Worse than Alec Burks
RJ had another good game yesterday. If it turns out we were using him wrong all this time it will be a learning experience for me.
Agree with Noble. Everyone is aware the lost usage of RJ+IQ must/will be made up by other guys. Like many (some?) here, I think the combination of OG, iHart, Devo, Deuce, Grimes, Hart, and (maybe?) Flynn can/should be better than the sum of RJ and IQ.
Indeed for the first few games after the trade, these “other guys” seemed like they would grow into these roles. For the last two games they looked like escapees from the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. More data, please.
For me this is the perfect time for Brunson to sit a bit. It’s early enough before the trade deadline. Let the bench guys try to find better and consistent roles. Hart, for example, seems to be shrinking from the responsibility whereas Deuce has played (surprisingly?) well. More data, please. If they fail, we make a trade.
RJ has turned the corner so many times that like a car that can only make right turns, he ends up at the same place over and over, the intersection of Mediocre and Middling Streets.
I mean, we were definitely using RJ Barrett wrong. The problem was that in order to use him right we would have had to minimize Randle and that would have just made us worse.
The Raptorsā defense has gone into the toilet since the trade. Iām sure there is some reason why that is a coincidence.
“Was anyone denying we had a clear need for another high-ish usage option after the trade?”
My recollection is that the consensus was that the trade swapped one set of problems (not having enough starting length or a suitable backup PF) for another (not having enough high-usage creators), but that the second set of problems was easier to solve. I don’t recall anyone (except maybe crazy swifty?) being on the “this is a finished roster and we are legit title contenders as is” bandwagon.
But that said, I do believe there was a legit question being discussed as to whether we were better or worse right now post-trade, i.e. whether the team as is should have its wins/playoffs predictions adjusted downwards.
I think that at full strength and grinding Brunson, Randle, and iHart (and probably OG as well) into dust, we are slightly better game-to-game but more susceptible to injury and burnout.
so what was this about?
this is you right? am i interpreting this wrong? were you downplaying this whole usg problem in direct response to me? please clarify if i got it wrong… i tried to get you to commit to a usg number but failed… but i assume this whole spiel meant a usg in the 20s….
and no.. this is not a ‘victory lap’…. this is not a ‘hill to die on’… people were calling me all sorts of things over these harmless arguments like i’m some witch.. that i respond to clarify the position a dozen or so times isn’t me digging my heals in….
we did this whole song and dance too over the ‘minutes problem’ with donte…. these are critiques on the trade or a transaction and it’s treated with such animosity by some/most (not referring to you noble on this one) or at best overly dismissive… why?
and in these very obvious situations.. you learn very quickly that being overly dismissive is just flat out wrong… so you eventually have to talk about it anyway…. so here we are… if there’s any victory lap i’m taking is that we can finally talk about these issues (hopefully) without accusing people of bias in order to bring it up….
If RJ has really turned a corner, good on him! I’m fine with us not having waited another 5 years. Of course, I objectively think he’ll be back in mid 50s TS% land by the end of the year, but again, if he’s not I’ll be happy for him.
Also…
Yes, I acknowledged the usage problem but said I thought it was less dire than you, because you said the team would be under .500 after the trade.
We still have to wait-and-see on that of course, but I feel good about my side of that one since the team is 6-2 post trade and that’s with a Brunson injury.
“this is you right? am i interpreting this wrong? were you downplaying this whole usg problem in direct response to me? please clarify if i got it wrongā¦ i tried to get you to commit to a usg number but failedā¦ but i assume this whole spiel meant a usg in the 20sā¦.”
Lordy. Again.
woah wait a minute…. are you saying i misquoted or took you out context where you said that the usage problem wasn’t a big deal because we’re so good anyway and that this whole part where you said that it’s not going to be a big deal because we’re going to unlock OG …. was a complete fabrication?
do i have that right? do you mind quoting the whole thing so i don’t do this again in the future?
The solution was what I’ve been saying for a couple of years now.
You had to trade one of them.
The debate was whether we were willing to sacrifice short term wins by trading Randle because he’s the better player now (but 29) for a bet on further upside and a longer window with RJ who is much younger.
I went back and forth on it quite a few times but was in the trade Randle camp when we eventually traded RJ. Truth be told though I have no idea how it will all shake out. They both annoyed the crap out of me and I wouldn’t be unhappy if we traded both.
The stinger was trading Quickley as part of the deal. I would have preferred giving up a couple of picks (within reason). We gave up an important part of our team and created a new hole in order to add someone I also like a lot that filled a different hole.
Now we have to fill the Quickley hole.
Yes, if you are saying that I said the usage problem “wasn’t a big deal,” I am saying you misquoted me, because I did not say that. I did say I didn’t think it was as big a deal as the team being under .500 after the trade would imply. I like where I stand on that one!
Now, it is true that my specific OG prediction isn’t yet playing out as the team has redistributed the extra usage among incumbent players instead. We’ll see how this all plays out, but I am very comfortable with my general prediction that the issue was not as dire as you thought.
This doesnāt sound good.
“woah wait a minuteā¦. are you saying i misquoted or took you out context where you said that the usage problem wasnāt a big deal because weāre so good anyway and that this whole part where you said that itās not going to be a big deal because weāre going to unlock OG ā¦. was a complete fabrication?”
Lordy yet again. And it’s “whoa,” not “woah.” I can’t understand for the life of me why anyone would actually think that it’s “woah,” just as I can’t understand why people consistently type “opps” when they actually mean “oops.” (“Opps” is just ignorant, and is quite a bit worse than “woah.” But still.)
P.S. Although I will say that the ignorance of saying “opps” is now a fun part of my life, as after I told my girlfriend about it we now say it to each other pretty consistently just to make each other laugh.
if i misquoted you… i’m sorry but i would like to see the actual quote where you said this…. there’s a few hundred words of you downplaying this using OG is going to get unlocked as the centerpiece which i quoted and the rest of that post isn’t really talking about anything else so *shrug*…. here’s the full post for context…
Anyway, everyone should read the Katz article I posted. Sounds like a fairly sizable move is coming. Reading the tea leaves, I kind of think DJM is happening unless someone else beats a DAL pick + Grimes + Fournier package, and I’m not sure anyone will.
After last night…gotta say I’m more sympathetic to the idea. That’s not a wholly rational reaction admittedly. I just cannot keep watching the current team without Jalen Brunson even if it’s only for a couple of minutes.
A tidbit:
The idea that itās somehow very harmful to lose a player who devours shitloads of possessions at piss-poor efficiency just does not make any sense at all.
Djphan, this is from the very post you quoted:
So yes, you misquoted me and continue to do so. I clearly acknowledged the usage issue, just didn’t think it rose to “under .500” levels. Feel good about that.
I’ve been very on the fence/leaning towards no on DJM but if it’s Fournier, Grimes and one pick that seems like a great deal for DJM. I’d do it.
McBride has performed admirably. Grimes…eh. And while McBride might be undersized for an SG but he’s a good defender and in back up minutes with DJM as the PG, HART at SF…I think the defense would be fine.
ok let’s assume that’s true… so where did this come from?
is this also misquoting you? it seemed like there were people calling me a troll for bringing it up right? or did that not happen?
am i still taking a ‘victory lap’? these are your words with minimal commentary…. kind of sounds like everyone agreeing with me was not what was happening right?
or do i again.. have it completely wrong?
Nothing to panic about, just issues deserving of conversations (from fans) and work (from Leon and Co.).
I’m pretty sure they’re working the phone hard to solve the bench lack of scoring punch and “veteran playmakership”, I don’t know if they’re working on the backup-C (Gafford rumors notwithstanding) because Mitch’s potential return changes the equation about it and informations are scarce.
Deuce has done his job (the job of a 4.4M/year player), he still has a lot to learn about playmaking (if ever) and I wonder if he’s a little too scared of turning the ball over, sometimes you have a split second to pass to the open man (especially on cuts/curls) and a little hesitation can bog the flow and cause offense to stall.
J-Hart is in a deep offensive slump and it’s a problem, I know he’s shooting poorly but I’d rather have him taking shots than stopping the whole offense like he did over and over yesterday.
The purpose of moving the ball is creating open looks or put the defense off-balance to attack the rim, if you so often pass open shot or attack closeouts only half-heartedly you’re stopping the flow for all the other guys…
JB’s sorely missed in the clutch, he’s a strong performer under pressure and the only player who can keep Julius in check, I’m against hurrying him to play but hope he’ll heal soon.
Hubs, can I ask why? Grimes hasn’t been that impressive this season.
Grimey and Deuce are duplicative players: good POA defenders who canāt really create on offense but who can knock down shots from the perimeter. Slide Deuce into the Grimey role and youāre all good. Then just use the low 1st weāll have from this year on a nut and bolt player who you hope can be the Deuce/Grimey of tomorrow.
Iām with Swift here: Iām relatively lukewarm at the Dejounte idea but that is a reasonable price.
I have no idea, but if someone said something directed at you that you didn’t like, I would advise you to direct specific grievances at specific people instead of accusing everyone else on the board of saying things they did not say.
FWIW, what I was saying there was that I do not think you are a troll, but do think we have some trolls.
hopefully thereās clearer heads so we can discuss this without people hyperventilatingā¦
Just reading the thread, stopped there, but why in the world would someone start his posting in such a condescending way? That, in a nutshell is your problem djphan. Post somewhere else, get a sense of humour (like E has), or stop insulting the motives or intelligence of posters who have different opinions than yours.
Don’t know if someone already mentioned it, little info I wasn’t aware about DJM.
He has a 13M trade kicker that, for funny CBA reasons:
– Will be paid by the seller (Atlanta)
– It counts against the cap space of the buyer, spread over the years of the contracts (around 3.5M/Y).
But trade kickers are negotiable and can be rescinded if the player agrees (see Anthony Davis when he went from NO to LA).
Deuce doesn’t bring everything to the table that Grimes does just because he’s a lot smaller, but if his shooting is legit he’s like a shorter grimes with more…moxie, and should make a fine Grimes facsimile in the event of a trade.
Maybe the Lakers top that package for DJM, but unless they’re willing to put Reaves on the table I’m not sure I see the package for them. I haven’t liked the DJM idea much from the jump, but agree he’d be worth getting for that package.
I think “very harmful” is overstating the issue.
The issue is the alternatives.
Could the other players make up the usage gap and remain as efficient as RJ or better?
It appeared we were making up the usage gap by upping both Brunson and Randle. We were benefitting overall because OG is way more efficient than RJ.
But I believe I noted that relying on 2 players like we were was problematical because on some nights one of them is going to have a terrible matchup, have an off night, be game planned against well, or be hurt and we could have problems because our other players are more limited role players.
IMO we need that solid somewhat underutilized 3rd option.
It remains to be seen whether OG can eventually be the player that raises his usage up effectively when required, but right now I think we need a Brogdon type player to be the extra scorer/playmaker to start, replace Quickley off the bench, and replace Brunson when he’s hurt. Maybe it will be Murray instead.
If Grimes goes, practically everyone of significance that we drafted will be gone. RJ, Quickley, Obi, and Grimes. Next after that is Mitch when they are convinced I-Hart can be the long term starter.
If we acquire Murray we will have essentially made these changes to the rotation:
IQ, RJ and Grimes out
OG, Dejounte and McBride in
It would have cost the Detroit 2RP and the Dallas 1RP to make these upgrades. Worth it, I think.
So Leon is getting ready to fall to his knees for Thibs in getting ready to trade another young player who is one the teams best shooters because he loves josh hart and can’t play proper lineups that make sense
Katz pointedly did not mention Murray, as he noted that the Knicks aren’t currently willing to deal any of their picks, and I think Atlanta would insist on a Knick pick on top of the Dallas pick. The other guys he mentioned you might be able to get with just the Dallas pick or the pu-pu platter of the other picks.
For one thing, I am not convinced that two weeks of Good Deuce makes Grimes expendable.
And because according to everything I’ve read (and, in particular, The Athletic article that posted expected costs of players) there should be plenty of players available that we can acquire without shopping Grimes.
If we’re putting Grimes in offers, it makes me think Leon is about to pay 50% over sticker price again.
Lastly, it makes me think Leon is foolishly overvaluing his Fugazi firsts. That’s what we should trade for help, not Grimes.
On a different item, i remember reading someone here comparing Deuceās new contract to that of the original hustle bunny, Ron Baker. I thought that was far fetched but didnāt have the details. So I looked them up. Baker was signed to a two year $8.9M contract in 2017. He hardly played and couldnāt score. Deuce just signed a $13M three year contract on December 30th, which is less per year than Baker got even though itās seven years later and the salary cap is probably twice as big. And Deuce can actually shoot and is our starting point guard with Brunson out.
See this is how we know Educate_the_weak isnāt E. Thereās no way E would stan for a hustlebunny such as Quentin Grimes.
Given the way NBA basketball is played these days, I’m not a fan of trading 2-way shooters (e.g. Grimes) for 2-way non-shooters (e.g. DJM).
If they make the Grimes+Fournier+DAL pick for Murray, I’ll root for it to work, but would rather ship out Josh Hart instead (I know, we can’t…) because DJM is just a better version of him. Better yet, just roll with Brogdon if he can be had at a lower price.
And while the ‘Nova thing is cute and all, I hope it doesn’t get in the way of making sound trade decisions going forward.
As much as I’m not a fan of E’s schtick, it would shock me if he would stoop so low as to create a different tag and alter his posting style in an effort to obfuscate. Not that I care.
But Katz said we “are fielding offers for Grimes… and are hoping to land facilitating help behind Jalen Brunson.”
Unless he doesn’t know how to choose his words carefully, that means we are trying to get something for Grimes that we can use in a trade for someone else.
Dj, in all honesty I’d be glad to see you post more, because your perspective is interesting and occasionally informative. But as another poster said, the reason you can stir animosity is that your tone is consistently condescending. I don’t expect you to change and most likely your response to this post will be typically acerbic, but I figured it was worth a try.
I don’t always (or even often) agree with you, but different voices make for richer conversation. Just not, however, when one of those voices is always saying things like “if you think about it a little, you might begin to figure it out.”
Dejounte is shooting pretty much the same as Grimes, but on almost double the usage. Granted this is a career high season for Dejounte in terms of efficiency, but heās also in his primeā heās 27. So I think the efficiency bump is probably sustainable.
Then you have to add in the fact that Grimes has zero ability to create a shot for himself, or to shoot off the dribble. A sky-high amount of his made FGās are assisted baskets. Grimesā offensive numbers are a bit of a mirage because of the ultra-low usage.
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Only surprised this didn’t happen sooner.
I think he means you get, say, Brogdon now for Grimes+Fournier, and then once Cleveland flops in the playoffs again, you offer them Brogdon and all the picks for Mitchell.
Murray would work, too, except he would cost a pick that they want to save for Mitchell, so I think they’re actually out on Murray now.
But Tom Thibodeau fell for him hook, line, and sinker — which is why you can’t have Tom Thibodeau around much longer. (*)
With the Josh Hart, OG Anunoby, and (especially) the Quentin Grimes situations now embedded firmly on the PowerPoint, hopefully the basketball fantasies of “unlocking” and “hidden toolboxes” and all the rest can be permanently dispensed with.
(*) I mean it’s great and all that, according to Katz, Thibs has mentally moved on, but unfortunately that doesn’t mean they get a replay of the Miami series. Too late, dude.
This is how I know it is E:
I actually give him credit for the change. He isn’t trying to fool anyone. He just wants to speak his mind about the Knicks without getting into all the drama.
Many members of this blog (of course I don’t mean you, JK) have a very unhealthy obsession with E, as we saw by how frequently they mentioned him when they thought he wasn’t here.
And as E has proven by posting under another moniker, no one here actually objects to anything he says. He’s been posting for over two weeks and not a single argument, not a single thread hijacked… all because no one knows it’s him.
If he said the same things under his name, though, the knives would be out in full force.
Really says a lot about the people who can’t stand E, IMO.
I’m not Educate the Weak. Put away the bongs and the crack pipes guys. (Not that there’s anything wrong with bongs; there’s actually quite a bit right with them.)
“See this is how we know Educate_the_weak isnāt E. Thereās no way E would stan for a hustlebunny such as Quentin Grimes.”
Right. Also because he wouldn’t write this badly:
“So Leon is getting ready to fall to his knees for Thibs in getting ready to trade another young player who is one the teams best shooters because he loves josh hart and canāt play proper lineups that make sense”
“Pu-pu platter.” As a good New York Jew, I’ve had plenty of Chinese food. š
Then the Knicks would be “actively shopping” Grimes, not “fielding offers for Grimes.”
Back me up here, Doogie! š
Tom Thibodeau fucking loves the Josh Harts and the Reggie Bullocks and the Alec Burkses and the Quentin Grimeses and the Donte Divincenzos and the OG Anounobys of the basketball world and that’s why it’s impossible to ever win anything serious with him.
That is not changing.
His tics and insecurities and deficiencies as a coach (while still having noticeable and real strengths) lower the ceilings of his teams and always have.
I went to make a football bet this weekend and discovered that at some point last summer I bet $5 on OKC to win the west at 50-1.
Would be great if Dolan gets pushed out by the other owners somehow but that’s probably not happening
Then the Knicks would be āactively shoppingā Grimes, not āfielding offers for Grimes.ā Back me up here, Doogie! š
Right. Proactive versus reactive, although it’s clearly nuanced.
Of COURSE the horrible James Dolan story involves the Eagles, specifically Glen Frey (the biggest asshole in the Eagles), Harvey Weinstein and JD and the Straight Shot. ChatGPT couldnāt have written a more predictable story.
Knicks were 6-1 since the trade and it was pretty quiet around here but now they’re 6-2 so they’re doomed just like the naysayers predicted!
I think it’s just a whole interconnected deal where everyone knows what the Knicks need, and they all know Grimes is gettable, so they’re all asking for him when offering what the Knicks need. Its then probably coming down to what draft picks the other teams want and what the Knicks are willing to pay.
Grimes is like what, our 7th or 8th most productive player? He’s a nice enough player but it’s not going to fuck our present or the future if we move him.
TRADING RJ DIRECTLY LED TO BRUNSON GETTING HURT!
https://twitter.com/FrankBarrett119/status/1747303236707455056
https://twitter.com/APachecoNBA/status/1747304494721802288
It feels like we are on a slippery path of tying to get better now but getting older and having a shorter window. I don’t see it as a serious problem yet, but when you trade Obi, Quickley, RJ and maybe Grimes, you are taking almost all the internal upside out of the team.
I agree with those tweets. We seem to be willing to get 20 cents on the dollar for Grimes and weāre not good enough to be that stupid.
I know Grimes hasnāt lit the world up this year but the guy played 48 minutes in a do-or-die
playoff game and was solid.
In the same exact series Deuce played two minutes and they were so bad Miami was able to flip a ten point deficit in them and end our season.
These guys are not the same.
We really need a backup C as much as anything else.
Thereās no way we can get top players to minimize injury risk at every position, but PG and C are probably key (ball control, rim control).
Makes me wonder if we would move Mitch in a trade now? Something like Grimes and Mitch for Dejounte and Capela? Iām not saying Iām in favor of this, butā¦
Including Grimes in a trade for Brogdon would be short-sighted and dumb. DJM is only 27 though and is, well, a lot better than Grimes. I’m cautiously optimistic they wouldn’t trade Grimes for someone with no future on the team, that just hasn’t been their M.O. But it sure seems like we’ll find out soon enough.
New generation Knicks! š
Atlanta traded 1 protected pick, 2 unprotected and 1 swap for DJM. Wouldn’t Atlanta show the door to Landry Fields if 18 months later he’d turn that into Grimes and 1 late first?
Very confused by the Dejounte/Quentin comparison. They sure look nothing like the same to me, outside of their TS% this year. Even if you look at their percents and per 36 numbers, it’s not even close. (Note — I’m not in the ‘get Murray’ group, although this exercise moved my needle a bit):
Murray per 36:
FG% .467 (career .459)
3PT% .386 (career .344)
FT% .821 (career .789)
PTZ 20.7 (over 20 last three years)
Assts 5.0
Rebs 5.0
Grimes
FG%.405 (career .441)
3PT% .392 (career .386)
FT% .625 (career .759)
PTZ 12.6 (between that and 13.6 over career)
Assts 2.0
Rebs 3.0
I suspect some of that is that one is told to go stand in the corner while the other one is told to go out and play basketball. But the difference still seems fairly stark.
I can’t excited about DJM. His numbers seem kind of blech and no one seems enthused about his defense lately. I don’t know, don’t really have a strong opinion about this one.
I am revisiting the DDV signing and the whole Villanova connection. I think it may be impacting decision making.
It’s not that DDV isn’t a good player and good value at the price. We all agree on that. But I think that signing was partially a Villanova thing and has put some suspect thinking into motion.
That was my original issue with it.
IMO it created a bit of an undersized logjam at SG and gave them a reason to be less anxious to extend IQ. DDV’s good play and the minutes crunch also reduced Grimes’ minutes and ultimately put him on the bench. Now we may be moving Grimes.
The result is we are slowly getting a bit older, shortening the window, losing upside, and I’m not so sure we are actually better. The starting lineup when healthy is better, but the NET of it all is still up for debate.
IMO, we probably should have extended Quickley, played him next Brunson and made an aggressive move for OG using RJ and picks.
That team would still be good, still have more upside, have solved the major negative in the starting lineup (RJ) and added some size to compensate for the small backcourt. It would still be an unfinished product, but we’d get a look at Quickley/Brunson. If it wasn’t working well we’d still have Quickley to offset any picks we gave up to get OG.
I know we want to save picks for a star deal, but Quickley and Grimes are both assets and we may wind up giving up Grimes and a pick to address the hole created by trading Quickley to begin with.
I don’t know. I’m starting to get an uneasy feeling about where this is heading even though I love OG.
Although i love Mitch, and now iHart, we’ll probably have options to address this in the buyout market. No need to trade for a backup C and Leon knows it. Every year there’s Cs that are cut and hit the buyout market after the deadline, we just need to wait for it.
i mean i’m hardly the only one here with this problem…. are my words dissected this much simply because so many disagree with it? i mean there are guys being outright disrespectful in the name of ‘calling it how it is’ and people changing their usernames… i’m using the word ‘hyperventilating’ and i’m the guy with word choice issues?
you are going to take this in some way but we are simply living in two different realities… and i don’t see anyway i can help you even tho i’m trying my best… but you can try to ask yourself that same question too and try to answer that honestly…
Cybersoze, Iām with you. I donāt know why Atlanta would do that and therefore I donāt see anything happening. He certainly not the megastar NY has been hoarding its assets for and giving Atlanta what they acquired him for is too expensive for the backup role he might have as a non mega star on the Knicks.
I think we actually did kind of an accidental pump-and-dump with Grimes. We have allowed him to only do the things he is good at, and I think as a result he comes out looking like a more useful player than he actually is. He’s decent-not-great at performing even his very limited role here, and if you ask him to do more he gon’ suck at it.
I’ve never really been that big of a fan of his game, always found him to be a bit of a frustrating player. I do think he is a quality defender though, and he has mostly played well since opening his game up a little more on the second unit. He’s a nut and/or bolt though. You can find those.
i’m with you strat on both of your points above…getting older and future is not so bright that I gotta wear shades and getting uneasy feeling as the Leon train is moving along the tracks…kind of like when you are on those older wooden roller coasters and climb to the top and its creaking…
otoh…a few wins this week and back to the bong and jumping on that roller coaster bandwagon..
this has been going on for much longer than just now…. if you trace every move.. even the made draft picks… the primary driver was to make the current roster at the time better with more certainty with future upside sacrificed…
The window is based on Brunson’s age, Dejounte Murray is the same age. As far as upside goes, Dejounte Murray was an all-star 2 years ago. Does Grimes have that upside?
The move also preserves Fournier’s salary for matching purposes without requiring us to have Fournier on the roster.
All that said, Brogdon is having a much better year than Murray and also gives you a tradable salary next year. On the other hand, he definitely shortens the window if you can’t flip him.
If we trade Grimes we are definitely getting older but not OLD and another way to look at it. We will have almost all of our picks still. Yes, the thinking is we use those for a “star” trade but the option would still be on the table to DRAFT players to restock the roster.
So we get DJM and let’s say it works out and we’re now “contenders.” Then Leon could use picks to draft young players for roster spots 10 through 15 and develop them while our team is contending.
Of course, maybe he’d then want to trade Mitch or DJM or Randle plus picks for a star. But trading Grimes now doesn’t forever doom us to an aging roster.
I dunno, I’m all for building around youth but our core of young players was not that good because we stink at the draft. Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, and Quentin Grimes is not a young core that gives you a lot of hopes and dreams.
Strat, we must make peace with the cold reality: this is a win-now team*.
For various reasons we punted the last 2 drafts and Grimes is the only “original first rounder” left on the roster.
The time of mixing veterans with youngsters, bet on natural “age-related” internal growth and trying to keep some youth out of trades (even for stars) is over.
Someone will cheer, someone will curse, but the timeline is about Brunson/Randle/Star-X**, veteran players in their prime.
* “Now” doesn’t necessarily mean 2024, but 2025 and 2026 for sure.
** And Star-X for obvious reasons will be at least 27-28 if not older.
Watched a couple plays from Dejounte in the Spurs-Hawks game, what really jumps out at you is the fact Atlanta is wearing black and SA is wearing red. Wtf, NBA?
Yeah I mean it’s fun to have that young team and I know people all wish we were the thunder…winning 50 plus games with a super young roster. But you know…memphis was that same team just 2 seasons ago and now they’re imploding. Having a good young roster doens’t mean you’re guaranteed to some magical 10 year window of being good.
We’re close to be being contenders. This is when teams tend to trade young players and picks for upgrades to get to the contender status. Maybe some people think we’re too far from that status to do that, but many of us think we are not.
And again….Fournier, Grimes and one pick for DJM leaves us with plenty of picks to draft over the next few years if we so choose. If DJM works out and we’re now one of the best teams in the east, Leon may just do that.
Maybe Grimes could net us Caruso?
Also, I know heās injured a lot, but Fultz could be a perfectly cromulent backup PG.
Your position is more extreme than mine. I don’t mind trying to get better now and I don’t think they’ve done anything so out of line I’m going to start screaming.
But I think a better approach is to have some players that are peaking now, some younger players that are productive now but whose peak is 2-3 year away, and making draft picks here or there. That’s more or less what we had. You have upside and it’s easier to transition later when the window closes. IMO, you want to make moves that make you better short term without sacrificing long term. That’s not exactly what we did with the OG trade and it sounds like we may do the same thing with Grimes. That’s what’s making me a bit uncomfortable.
I can’t disagree with that, but I think all will better 2-4 years from now barring injury and a couple might be rotation or even important pieces on a serious contender.
I donāt mind trading Grimes, JK.
I am just concerned we will do something like trade Fournier, Grimes, and a pick for brogdon when all reports indicate fournier and a pick would be enough.
Your concern is quite proper. They never negotiate right. They gave up too much for Melo. More relevant to now, they didn’t get close to full value for Porzingis; didn’t get full value for the deep-charred 2022 lottery pick; and didn’t get close to full value for Barrett/Quickley. And on and on, etc. etc. There’s no reason to believe they’re ever going to get full value for all their “extra” draft picks.
In my opinion they don’t negotiate right because they never just negotiate on basketball terms, in their own interest — but with always some kind of conflicted interest, like trading for the client of the main decision maker’s son right before the client’s free agency. It could also be simply stupidity and incompetence. It’s probably a bit of both.
I mean sure, but now those guys aren’t going to be cheap anymore, so if you give them the big contract and they stink, that comes with real costs. We don’t and didn’t have that slam dunk bona fide star prospect kind of player like SGA or Haliburton that you can confidently build around. There’s a really good chance that the RJ contract extension works out horribly. Toppin is 25 and isn’t going to get much better and Grimes clearly has role player ceiling.
Again, I’m a big proponent of building through the draft but that is not this FO’s wheelhouse.
howdy E, good to see your return š
serious business, have you ever tried to maintain a frequently used water pipe…they are disgusting, even with that pipe cleaning solvent that looks like drano…after just a couple of uses they look like they are filled with sewage water…
yeah, big no these days on mixing cannabis and water devices…
i never ever thought mixing weed (wax) and a hand held blowtorch was a smart idea…
those rigs are crazy expensive too…double yuch…
long stem wooden pipe – perfect, it can be cleaned of course, but – the resin in the bowl actually develops a nice coating/curing of the piece, just need to really maintain the stem with a pipe cleaner…
some moon rocks (flower/tincture/kief) broken up on the bottom, place some bubble has on top, with a wafer thin layer of traditional black hash on top of all that…
for style you can use those fat stick matches to ignite…
what is really great about this setup is that you can simultaneously death grip a lighter in one hand, while fidgeting with the pipe itself in the other…let the good times roll…
Drafted players shouldn’t be sacred cows. The likability of the teams I root for is important to me and being “homegrown” can certainly be a factor there, but it’s not everything. I like Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle a lot more than I ever liked RJ Barrett and Frank Ntilikina. Trades of drafted players should be evaluated on the merits, though I’m admittedly a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to Quickley specifically–that hurt.
We traded IQ, who has topped out at 55th in EPM, and RJ, who has topped out at 153rd in EPM, for OG, who has topped out at 33rd in EPM. Crude way of looking at it, but hard to argue we got fleeced or whatever if you’re being objective.
If we trade Grimes we should apply the same objective lens. Shouldn’t do it for a rental, but perfectly open to it if it’s someone more in the OG mold.
You’re still missing the point/essence. The objection to those all-in-ones aren’t that the players’ “likability” should matter; it’s that those all-in-ones are often contextual and not reflective of actual basketball skill and potential.
And deviating from the numbers because of underlying skill deviations IS objective. It’s the definition of objective.
OG Anunoby is a perfectly likeable basketball player. I’m perfectly happy he’s on my team. Not the point. They overpaid to get him.
Once/If I get back into more serious interaction, I think I’m going to go old-school one-hitter.
Yeah, if IQ and RJ get a lot better then the trade will look bad in hindsight. The Knicks basically bet against that, so we’ll see. I’m certainly not saying there’s no chance it happens.
But if the trade ages poorly, it will be because those guys got better at basketball. Not because we drafted them.
Now that the weird and bizarre bubble in Quentin Grimes has seemingly (and inevitably) popped (*), and he’s sold Immanuel Quickley for an incinerated price, Leon’s draft record looks positively terrible.
(*) “Pump and dump” gets at it well, but the capable pump-and-dumper sells at a massive profit, and I wouldn’t expect that here.
This might or might not sound “conspiratorial,” but it should surprise no one if it turns out Leon took this job for the sole or (more likely) partial conscious purpose of engaging in conflicted transactions to benefit CAA and its close friends.(*)
At the very least, it’s hard to see what would have transpired differently if he hadn’t. And we know his ultimate boss wouldn’t be a check; indeed, he may be a co-conspirator.
(*) You’d never, for example, let a senior (non-political) official in government anywhere near a deal where he’s one side and his son is the other. Every ethics code at every agency would forbid it.
And here comes E with his bad takes that I advise nobody engage with
LEON ROSE WAS PART OF THE KNICKS FRONT OFFICE IN 2011?????
OBVIOUSLY HEāS TALKING ABOUT THE FRANCHISE NOT LEON ROSE????
“OG Anunoby is a perfectly likeable basketball player. Iām perfectly happy heās on my team. Not the point. They overpaid to get him.”
I agree that the price was high, but only because OG is going to get overpaid. Once IQ did not agree to an extension, his value was diminished. RJ had very little trade value on his deal so you offloaded the significant risk that he wouldn’t be considered an asset in a future trade. OG was a hot commodity around the league, and just what we needed, so you had to pay a bit of a premium for him. In that sense, you can’t judge the trade in a vacuum, but only after the corresponding pieces are in place and we see how OG’s extension fits into the puzzle.
Good negotiators earn premium. Poor ones pay it.
James Dolan is conspiring with CAA to rip off James Dolan?
i mean iām hardly the only one here with this problem
Who cares? I am talking about you. Pathetic defense. Not hard to post your opinions without being condescending. For reference check out about 100 of the informative posts in this very thread.
over the years i always remember my sister carrying one of those small ceramic/stone/glass pieces…they’re great for folks who smoke weed, but aren’t really weed smokers…
they also sell .5g pre-rolls these days which provide access for more subtle consumption…
Well they’ll stone you when you’re walkin’ on the street,
They’ll stone you when you’re tryin’ to keep your seat,
They’ll stone you when you’re walkin’ on the floor,
They’ll stone you when you walk in through the door.
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned!
just reading now about the 65 game rule in order to be eligible for post-season NBA awards (excluding finals mvp i imagine)…
nice, although julius has been really bad most of january it seems, hopefully he can regain part of the form he was showing in december before the season ends and in to the post-season and make another all nba team…
although the rules for selection by position are now different…
i kind of care yes…
people who talk like this are real pieces of work i gotta say… so thanks for showing yourself….
“just reading now about the 65 game rule in order to be eligible for post-season NBA awards (excluding finals mvp i imagine)ā¦”
It is regular season awards where the 65 games comes into play. They are just awarded during the post-season.
James Dolan is getting something out of it.. namely that CAA represents most of ESPN and others in basketball/sports media (e.g bill simmons)…. if you hadn’t noticed CAA took over the knicks the year after klutch effectively took over the lakers too…. so connecting the dots isn’t that hard….
not my theory but this rumor has been out there for awhile….
I’m throwing a flag on liking Julius Randle more than Frank Ntilikina. š
Much better player? Yes
Equally likable as a person? Yes
Equally likely to make me throw something at my TV because of his style of play? No
i know this is going to sound crazy Rama, but – taunting is a very legitimate discourse tool…and it is effective…sadly so is forming facts to fit your focus (that means lying)…frustrating to some, true…effective though in achieving whatever…
there is no doubt in my mind that lots of folks find enjoyment in taunting others, or even just making shit up just to have something to say to support something they feel…
like all parts of speech/behavior someone will exhibit, those parts put together tell a story…the story confirms itself through repetition…
thoughts become words, words become action, action becomes habit, habit becomes character, character becomes someone’s destiny…
ah, you are correct sir…thank ya doogie š
Geo, as usual your space-based discourse is helping me navigate what is otherwise a turbulent thread akin to taking rapids on the back of a log.
However, while you’re right that taunting and lying are ‘legitimate discourse tools,’ they do not fulfill the hope for a “richer conversation.” They sideline said richer conversation for angry and/or insulting retorts, and lying of course leads to much the same.
Sadly it only takes one or two people to goad an entire otherwise courteous community to be driven to distraction. It’s unfortunate, and yeah it’s the internet (and now America), but I don’t mind people attempting to remind others to behave.
I want to live in Utopia, Geo…
“Over the nine games following the deal, they are scoring only 104.8 points per 100 possessions with Brunson on the bench, compared to 125.9 while he is in the game.
For perspective, if that 104.8 points-per-100 figure belonged to a team this season, that team would place last in the NBA by far. Meanwhile, 125.9 per 100 would blow away the greatest offense of all time.”
Do you think when Thibs reads this his eyes start to glow and he thinks, “Genius, I’m a genius, I just have to play him all 48!!!”
Speaking for myself, I can safely report that nothing begets “richer conversation” more than regularly referring to a 23 year old Black basketball player as a “privileged asshat.”
Just read the NYT story on Dolan and Weinstein, and yuck. That poor woman. Not surprising, of course, given who he was friends with and what happened under Isiah’s tenure. I don’t know, I could see this becoming a snowball that puts a lot of pressure on Silver to act somehow (bad timing for Dolan to accuse Silver of being in Toronto’s cahoots, hmm?).
Hahaha. Same as it ever was.
Oh look, Geo, a perfect example.
E, my brown son is both privileged and an asshat a good part of the time, and that’s not having been feted on the AAU circuit for most of his teenage years and then worshipped at Duke. I’m very comfortable with that description of RJ Barrett.
And should we ever cross paths, I hereby promise to break the bones in your face for implying I’m a racist, you lowlife piece of shit. That’s a promise.
Rich and courteous conversation!!
I wasn’t implying you’re a racist — you might be, you might not be — I was implying that you’re obviously envious and insecure and it reveals itself on here in often unpleasant ways. And while the human capacity for self-delusion is often quite deep, it’s still hard to conjure up quite exactly how you came to denominate yourself the conscience of “rich” and “courteous” internet conversation.
Brunson getting injured has turned Knickerblogger into a hostile place.
Physician, heal thyself!
“Speaking for myself, I can safely report that nothing begets āricher conversationā more than regularly referring to a 23 year old Black basketball player as a āprivileged asshat.ā”
When did this even happen? Seems like something I would remember, unless it happened over this past weekend…….in which case I was fairly absent from this forum.
lol this thread is lit.
I realized a week or so ago when I told DJ I respecte his POV and then apologized to him and he threw it back in my face with a big F U that he wasnāt really worth engaging with or responding to. And E is just a troll straight up. Never posts when weāre doing well.
The possibility of another Knickerblogger meetup might be receding
Or perhaps becoming dangerously imminent
The guy knows and admitted it happened, doogie. And then he has the audacity to get all violent and whiny when called on it, all the while bitching about how the internet conversation is so beneath him.
It’s actually unfortunate that he’s ruined KB; in its way, the site is very fun. But it’s weird that someone like Bob Neptune would get banned for being a dork while someone who violently threatens another poster would be allowed to stay.
In any event, I’m out.
Gosh, it’s pleasant here today!
I wasn’t saying that it didn’t happen, or even that it did. I was just saying that if it *did* happen, I was wondering when it occurred because I didn’t remember it (and I would think that I would). That’s not the same as offering an opinion on whether or not it occurred.
I was being quite literal in my question. It won’t surprise anyone to hear that I can be overly literal at times. š
Didn’t someone once say that I was the cause of all the strife around here?
okay raven and rama…i’ll try to explain it better…
in gaming they have these folks whom build their “characters” to be able to fight multiple opponents – why, because it feels good/satisfying to engage and defeat multiple opponents…
like a WWE Royal Rumble thing…
in gaming these folks devote a lot of time (got to practice practice practice) in perfecting the art of engaging multiple opponents simultaneously…
the part you are missing is that you are the: opponent…
it’s not personal…
okay, so how to deal with those 1 versus X type players – avoid any kind confrontational engagement…admire their “character/toon/build” and move on…
your perspectives are TOTALLY different…it will never make sense to you…that’s okay though…
point being – do not engage…
Shortly after the trade.
I don’t really give a single fuck if someone wants to call someone else a “privileged asshat.” (In the right hands, such could actually be the stuff of comedy.) But to do that for months on end and then piss and moan about how the internet is beneath you and to whine and sob about how the conversation doesn’t meet your lofty standards of “richness” and “courtesy” is a bit much.
Got it.
As disappointing as yesterday’s loss is, this is where I’m at. The information we’re gleaning while Brunson sits is almost as important as the immediate W/Ls during this bit.
We need to continue to see what the bench guards can do in Brunson’s absence for a bit (and yeah, JHart needs to pick up the shooting). I thought Grimes would shine more than Duece, but I feel (unsubstantiated) that there’s more info out on Grimes than Duece. So McBride stepping up, at the very least, helps build his stock and maybe even rewrite what the Knicks (and other teams) think of him as an asset. That can be a good thing.
I used to like this blog more when the Knicks were bad because the conversation was more colorful. Now, it seems I donāt. I guess Iām getting old.
Conversation can’t be colorful when it can only be colorful on my terms.
Or what Geo said.
Kudos to Deuce for his self-analysis.
To me he played better than most, if not all, of his teammates but he took his share of the blame without hiding.
I love the guy… even if he’s not a PG š
Still arguing about famous people from Portugal?! Sheesh. Okay, I guess I prefer Paula Rego to Christiano Ronaldo. Her figurative work, in particular, is more complex and soul-enriching for me as compared to Ronaldoās goal scoring, which I find too literal and repetitive.
i have a question please, do they have dispensaries in new york city now?
Yes Gio. Because of bureaucracy , there are not many legal dispensaries, but there are more smoke shops than pizzerias.
honestly max, i’m glad we’re identifying weak points now – in january…
the hope being that going in to the playoffs to have it together and be peaking at that time…
the most concerning thing to me right now is julius’ recent play, along with josh hart’s entire season…
down a starting level center, missing our starting point guard, then having julius and josh playing like crap…
it’s going to be hard to win like that…
So funny you mention that, KBA, bc Rego was literally (for real, Doogie) the only Portuguese I could think of that wasnāt associated with either football or exploring.
Gotta say, I hate how pervasive the smell of weed is in the city
nice bo, i absolutely love all thr modern packaging these days…
i got these nice infused half gram pre- rolls that come in this cool little tin…
with a freaking laminated weed card – a pic with a description and stats of the flower…
how freaking cool is that…
do you have any current menu favorites Bo?
wow rama, that noticeable, really?
my friend isn’t a fan of thr smell…i got a lot of air purifiers in the house, will need to wash, lotion and change my clothes a bunch too when/if she arrives…
i love the way weed smells – fresh or burned…
Yeah, I thought exactly this, too. And that Athletic article linked (way) above opines that Grimes is now in Thibsās doghouse. Somehow, I missed the reason why. Grimes is only averaging 18 minutes since the trade. I mean I think heās terrible, but a year ago the whole organization had him untouchable. What gives? Letās find out.
I do edibles and am lucky to have an extremely low tolerance so a 10mg hybrid gummy from Camino gives me that perfect feeling.
btw, Josh Hart is questionable for tomorrow with some type of knee issue.
Yep. Walk out of my office to get lunch, pow. In the evening it’s everywhere. Wish I liked it, but it’s called skunk for a reason… Even friends in from LA are like, wtf?
@ Hubert ā same š
I just want to say I am really glad you guys are fighting with each other instead of focusing on the fact that I totally jinxed us with that 16-0 nonsense.
It wasnāt until I rode a motorcycle up the I-10 freeway at 5:00pm that I realized just how baked everybody on that highway gets on their way home. There were times that Iād go from Santa Monica to Downtown LA between all the cars and not get a breath of smokeless air the entire way. And that was back when you had to fake migraines to get legal weed here. (Hey RJ, you can stop faking now, the joints are otc!)
These are the frost days of the season (I fear Doogie could slap me if I wrote “dog days” in january š ).
Basically every team is missing a couple of players, the trade deadline gets closer, players get antsy, rumors are swirling.
It’s not time to lose coolness.
We know Hubie, some of us are just too kind to blame you, but now you’re on probation… š
(don’t do it again please, remember we’re doomed….)
Paula Rego is great, but so you know, we had 2 Nobel prizes (medicine and literature) and one pope. Right now, the UN president is portuguese. We’re from a small country but we can go very far, history says so and from time to time we get there again. āŗļø
@ cyber. Haha. Totally my ignorance. No doubt.
If itās any consolation, I really like everyone I know from Portugal, even folks online (except for Ronaldo) š
PS ā And I have indeed heard of Saramago, but Iāve never read him. Where to start?
was reading a recent article pushing portugal as a great place for retired americans to move to…
they suggested avoiding lisbon because expatriates were crowding the place, but the rest of the country was perfect for having a second spot to live…
it reminds me of a european california…
I’m not sure if he’s in the doghouse or if Thibs just prefers our other wings. The only wing Grimes would take minutes from is Hart, but Thibs loves lineup data and there was recently posted lineup data saying the Brunson/Hart/OG/Randle/Hartenstein combo was excellent. Maybe things change with Hart’s recent downturn and Grimes shooting well, but who knows.
For his part, Grimes has been playing great since the trade. He’s at .651 TS% on 19.9% usage. He’s scoring over 20pts/36 (if we plug his career 3p% in it only falls to 18pts/36). If we move Grimes, it’s because there’s a piece we need and he’s the only piece that’s young, trade-eligible, and desirable.
The Dolan has too close ties to CAA shit may well be true, but it goes back much longer than just the current front office. It was a story during the early Carmelo years, maybe even back when Isaiah was the coach. At least they finally got us a pretty good team.
Leon Rose ran the Knicks long before he was hired. Eddy Curry. Carmelo Anthony. Andrea Bargnani. Chris Smith. All of the biggest head scratchers have Leonās name on their contracts.
Siakim going to Indy it looks like
Sounds like Siakam is headed to Indy. That is rough for our chances at avoiding the play-in.
Also poor Obi š
One of his most successful books is Blindness (1995), and it even has a movie adaption with Julianne Moore and Mark Ruffalo. You can start there to see if you like it. Or maybe The Stone Raft (1986), where the premise of the novel is that the Iberian Peninsula has broken off the European continent and is floating freely in the Atlantic Ocean (LOL!).
Doogie probably won’t like Saramago because “A characteristic of Saramagoās style is the blending of dialog and narration, with sparse punctuation and long sentences that can extend for several pages.“.
Yes, Geo. Come join the Knickerblogger.net community in Portugal, of which i am now the president. LOL! And yeah, don’t listen to Hubert and avoid Lisbon like the article suggested… Porto is much better than Lisbon! š
Why? He’ll be reunited with Quick, i think he’s going to like that.
3 first round picks for a guy who is 50/50 to stay eh
78 points each in a half for basketball
Sixers, nuggets
Not bad
Obi absolutely needs to go to Toronto in this trade.
Oh, look, Clark Kent is back. Bro, you missed Superman again.
They better get an extension as part of this deal.
Are they really in trade 3 picks for a low-end all-star territory?
I think Alan would say something along these lines:
Hali, Siakam and Turner together, does that make Indy better than the Knicks? Discuss!
Indiana owns a heavily protected first coming from likely OKC this year (I think). I assume they protect at least one of their picks. āThree first round picksā sounds good but as we know from the Knicks surplus picks they are not all created equally.
https://twitter.com/TyHaliburton22/status/1675220380989165569
This is a fun game!
Awesome game. A little surprised ESPN keeps playing the DX celebration.
…and this OKC-LAC matchup is dynamite!
Checks he is not privileged asshat in questionā¦..
Coast clear.
I just fucking couldnāt with Saramago. Gave Blindness up after 75 pages. I remember feeling for the translator though.
Suns just came back with durant playing center
@cyber. Thx. Just ordered THE STONE RAFT (not to be confused with Fournier Island).
the thunder are an easy team to root for, the clippers not so much…
Watching Pete Yorn on Jimmy Kimmel. I assume you weren’t there, JK, right?
Yeah thatās me playing piano
It looked like you, but it was so dark, I couldn’t be sure! Awesome! Nice tune.
What about a trade of Fournier and Flynn for Micic and Bertans? Micic is a great distributor and a good shooter (though not yet in the NBA). He is big enough to play the 2 on defense while being the 1 on offense which is perfect next to McBride. Bertans wouldn’t really play but would be a tradable contract that stretches into next season, Fournier is expiring (picking up his option would be a true dirtbag move) and we need to replace his contract with a longer one.
Bertans isn’t playing and Micic has played less than 250 minutes and the move would save them $13 million next year and give them $35+ million in cap space.
Making a move for a toxic asset like DJM or a declining one like Brogdon would be a mistake. We need to patch holes and you shouldn’t trade real assets for bench players.
Ben, I think moves like that are interesting and prudent, but they don’t seem to align with this FO’s methodology. I think they would do nothing before doing this. They collected real assets to have the luxury of trading them for bench players.