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  • ‘Amazing’ Maxey’s clutch late 3s lift Sixers over Knicks to force Game 6 – ESPN
    [ESPN] – Wed, 01 May 2024 05:10:00 GMT
    1. ‘Amazing’ Maxey’s clutch late 3s lift Sixers over Knicks to force Game 6
    2. Tyrese Maxey stuns Madison Square Garden as Philadelphia 76ers beat New York Knicks in wild Game 5 finale
    3. Knicks have to find way to put this choke job behind them and fast
    4. LeBron James, Patrick Mahomes react to Tyrese Maxey’s season-saving shot, plus former Knicks player chimes in
    5. Tyrese Maxey saved the Sixers’ season with one of the toughest playoff performances ever


  • Knicks legend Charles Oakley trashes Joel Embiid: ‘Too big to be crying’ – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:35:00 GMT
    1. Knicks legend Charles Oakley trashes Joel Embiid: ‘Too big to be crying’
    2. Knicks call Joel Embiid’s foul on Mitchell Robinson ‘dirty’
    3. NBA legend Charles Oakley instructs Knicks ‘to do something’ about Joel Embiid’s on-court antics
    4. Ankle injury keeps Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson out of Game 4 vs. 76ers
    5. Joel Embiid Is Persevering, For Good And Ill


  • Knicks’ Bojan Bogdanovic done for season after foot surgery – ESPN
    [ESPN] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:44:00 GMT
    1. Knicks’ Bojan Bogdanovic done for season after foot surgery
    2. Knicks’ Bojan Bogdanovic out for rest of NBA playoffs in injury blow
    3. Knicks forward Bojan Bogdanovi to undergo season-ending wrist, foot surgeries amid playoff run
    4. Knicks’ Bojan Bogdanovic to undergo foot surgery after exiting Game 4 early, will miss rest of NBA playoffs
    5. Bojan Bogdanovi to undergo season-ending surgery on foot: How this impacts Knicks bench


  • Joel Embiid misses shootaround with migraine before Game 5 vs. Knicks – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:18:00 GMT
    1. Joel Embiid misses shootaround with migraine before Game 5 vs. Knicks
    2. 76ers’ Joel Embiid misses shootaround but starts Game 5
    3. Joel Embiid (migraine) and Kelly Oubre, Jr. (illness) will start after missing shootaround
    4. What to know about Bell’s palsy, the facial paralysis affecting Joel Embiid
    5. Joel Embiid missed shootaround, listed as questionable for Game 5 with a migraine


  • 76ers vs. Knicks: Why Joel Embiid is at a playoff crossroads with Philly in 3-1 hole – CBS Sports
    [CBS Sports] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:50:00 GMT

    76ers vs. Knicks: Why Joel Embiid is at a playoff crossroads with Philly in 3-1 hole


  • Jalen Brunson and the ruthless old-man game driving the New York Knicks’ playoff run – ESPN
    [ESPN] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:00:00 GMT
    1. Jalen Brunson and the ruthless old-man game driving the New York Knicks’ playoff run
    2. The Philadelphia 76ers Are Going Jalen Brunson Hunting
    3. Jalen Brunson knows the adjustment to break his shooting slump: Play better
    4. Sixers defense continues to hound Knicks guard Jalen Brunson
    5. How the 76ers are making life difficult for Jalen Brunson and how the Knicks are adjusting


  • Knicks’ shocking Game 5 loss to 76ers broke Stephen A. Smith: ‘F–k!’ – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Wed, 01 May 2024 04:29:00 GMT
    1. Knicks’ shocking Game 5 loss to 76ers broke Stephen A. Smith: ‘F–k!’
    2. Unearthed Clip Shows Stephen A Smith BRUTALLY Mocking the Signing of New York Knicks Superstar He Now Fawns Over
    3. Bob Raissman: Stephen A. Smith hurts ESPN’s credibility by cheerleading for Knicks
    4. Stephen A. Smith goes insane after Knicks beat Sixers in Philadelphia
    5. Stephen A. Smith Sends Blunt Message To 76ers After Knicks Victory


  • OG Anunobys versatility gives Knicks several options to defend Joel Embiid, 76ers – The Athletic
    [The Athletic] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:59:46 GMT
    1. OG Anunobys versatility gives Knicks several options to defend Joel Embiid, 76ers
    2. Knicks’ secondary players meeting the moment against 76ers
    3. OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa rise to occasion against Joel Embiid in Knicks’ Game 4 win at 76ers
    4. OG Anunoby Puts Up 17 | Highlights and Live Video from Bleacher Report
    5. Without Mitchell Robinson (ankle), Knicks hold Joel Embiid bucketless in 4th quarter


  • Charles Barkley Has Blunt Message For Knicks Fans Following Game 5 – Athlon Sports
    [Athlon Sports] – Wed, 01 May 2024 03:15:46 GMT

    Charles Barkley Has Blunt Message For Knicks Fans Following Game 5


  • Josh Hart’s wild pregame sugar and caffeine intake drive Knicks nutritionist nuts – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:18:00 GMT

    Josh Hart’s wild pregame sugar and caffeine intake drive Knicks nutritionist nuts


  • NBA Playoffs expert picks, odds for Tuesday: 76ers-Knicks, Magic-Cavs, Pacers-Bucks – The Athletic
    [The Athletic] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:01:39 GMT

    NBA Playoffs expert picks, odds for Tuesday: 76ers-Knicks, Magic-Cavs, Pacers-Bucks


  • Warriors’ Draymond Green Says Half of 76ers ‘Quit’ vs. Knicks in NBA Playoff Game 5 – Bleacher Report
    [Bleacher Report] – Wed, 01 May 2024 00:23:13 GMT

    Warriors’ Draymond Green Says Half of 76ers ‘Quit’ vs. Knicks in NBA Playoff Game 5


  • Knicks looking to close out playoff series at MSG for first time since 1999 – New York Daily News
    [New York Daily News] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 16:56:09 GMT

    Knicks looking to close out playoff series at MSG for first time since 1999


  • Sixers-Knicks Game 5 has eye-popping ticket prices compared to other East matchups – NBC Sports Philadelphia
    [NBC Sports Philadelphia] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:06:03 GMT

    Sixers-Knicks Game 5 has eye-popping ticket prices compared to other East matchups


  • Cardi B and Offset prove their relationship is stronger than ever as they enjoy a date night watching the New – Daily Mail
    [Daily Mail] – Wed, 01 May 2024 07:36:15 GMT

    Cardi B and Offset prove their relationship is stronger than ever as they enjoy a date night watching the New


  • Josh Hart credits hefty regular-season workload with preparing Knicks for playoff grind – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:31:00 GMT

    Josh Hart credits hefty regular-season workload with preparing Knicks for playoff grind


  • Mad Dog Russo Hangs Up on Knicks Fan Who Revealed He Watched Playoff Game on His Phone While Golfing: GOODBYE! – Mediaite
    [Mediaite] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 14:21:00 GMT

    Mad Dog Russo Hangs Up on Knicks Fan Who Revealed He Watched Playoff Game on His Phone While Golfing: GOODBYE!


  • Kevin Durant trade rumors: Sixers, Knicks, Warriors lead options if Suns star becomes available – Sporting News
    [Sporting News] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:47:20 GMT

    Kevin Durant trade rumors: Sixers, Knicks, Warriors lead options if Suns star becomes available


  • Philadelphia 76ers vs New York Knicks – April 30, 2024 – FOX Sports
    [FOX Sports] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:53:57 GMT

    Philadelphia 76ers vs New York Knicks – April 30, 2024


  • Jalen Brunson not caring about his spot in the Knicks’ pregame ritual is another reminder of why he’s the perfect franchise leader – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:40:00 GMT

    Jalen Brunson not caring about his spot in the Knicks’ pregame ritual is another reminder of why he’s the perfect franchise leader


  • Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson rues foul that led to 4-point play: ‘I f–ked up’ – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Wed, 01 May 2024 08:14:00 GMT
    1. Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson rues foul that led to 4-point play: ‘I f–ked up’
    2. Sixers-Knicks: Mitchell Robinson throws down one-handed dunk in Game 5
    3. Knicks Veteran Dealing With Multiple Injuries After Game 4 vs. Sixers
    4. Knicks’ Thibodeau Gives Update on Mitchell Robinson’s Ankle Injury vs. Embiid, 76ers
    5. Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson dealing with significant discomfort in left ankle


  • Philadelphia 76ers 112 – New York Knicks 106: Final OT score, results, recap, box score, stats – Yahoo Sports
    [Yahoo Sports] – Wed, 01 May 2024 07:46:39 GMT

    Philadelphia 76ers 112 – New York Knicks 106: Final OT score, results, recap, box score, stats


  • The Knicks’ ability to win in multiple ways makes them a dangerous Eastern Conference contender, but does that style have its limits? – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:40:00 GMT
    1. The Knicks’ ability to win in multiple ways makes them a dangerous Eastern Conference contender, but does that style have its limits?
    2. Former Sixers sharpshooter perfectly sums up what makes these Knicks so special
    3. JJ Redick heaps praise on Knicks: They’re ‘everything that’s right about basketball’
    4. How Knicks’ culture of relentless rebounding subduing 76ers
    5. Secret of the Knicks’ success? Uncharacteristically smart moves

  • 191 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.05.01)”

    Have been losing a lot of sleep lately. Did not enjoy having a new reason.

    Hard to remember a series where every game was this tight. Surely it’s time to blow them out in Philly yeah?

    Woke up still irritated by last night’s result. But I think there’s room for optimism: Maxey had to do literally everything that he did in order to win, and needed some help from Mitch and Hart in order to clutch it out. Great performance from him but one that isn’t replicable, I think.

    This game, we were the better team for all but the last 30 seconds. It looks like we’re figuring out Embiid. The script is the same every 4th quarter: Philly is tired and we run them off the court. OG at the 5 looked terrific for the non-Embiid minutes. Embiid looks utterly helpless against Mitch. DiVo cannot continue to play this poorly forever. Deuce has been a revelation. Etc.

    I don’t think Philly has enough horses to win the next two. They’re going to drop one and we’re through. Knicks in 5 was right there, so it’s frustrating that we have to go to six or seven. But we’re making the conference finals this year.

    Not even worth talking about last night, only positives are that Embiid looks done and Indiana lost which means Game 1 is guaranteed to be played on Monday regardless of the results tomorrow.

    Win Game 6, get a much needed 3 days off and Game 5 becomes a small footnote on a great series.

    I’m choosing to take the silver lining approach… got my ticket, first ever live NBA game and it’s a game 6 playoff on the road. Pretty buzzed.

    Slightly high stakes way to find out if I’m a good luck charm or a curse though… please don’t run me off the blog if we lose!!

    I got a bad feeling about this….

    Trying to remain positive as we have 2 more chances, one at home and the other at our home away from home. And we were in control most of the game but barely.

    I mean we missed some key free throws, turned it over at some key moments where we could have extended the lead. Maxey was unstoppable and they still only won it in OT.

    But nevertheless a missed opportunity. Brunson played well. Josh scored more than usual. OG had a great game. McBride did well and we did not close them out.

    Embiid gets an extra day off. Last time he had the extra day off he scored 50. We’ve had no answer for Maxey the entire series.

    At the very least I think my prediction of this going to 7 with us winning at home off the back of a monster Brunson game is looking more than likely.

    I’m only concerned with one thing from last night. It wasn’t Maxey goin off..it wasn’t Brunson’s late turnover..it wasn’t even the decision to not foul when it was a one possession game as I thought we played great defense all game. It was that 4 point play. Referees should never determine the outcome of a game. That was not a foul on Mitch. Maxey CLEARLY pump faked, then jumped into Mitch as he stayed vertical on defense. He crowded his airspace without taking away a landing spot. That was textbook defense by a 7 footer on a guard taking a long jumper. Had Thibs not challenged that one foul where we clearly fouled Embiid, that call would have been overturned. So I guess it’s a 2 for one. Those were the only mistakes that killed me. Bad baaaad call

    I was worried about the lack of secondary offensive pop even when they still had Bogie, now it’s petrifying.

    Donte Divincenzo is shooting 333/300/889 in 144 minutes in this series, averaging roughly 12 points per 36 minutes. He’s now played 31 playoff games with a points average of roughly that rate, shooting 369/308/707. Not that we ever really were in it, but we’re far out of small sample size territory at this point.

    Terrible game, but I need to feel positive going forward.

    I kind of disagree that we outplayed Philly for most of the game. Our opening was atrocious. We should have pulled away in the middle. And the ending was, well….

    Maxey looked unstoppable and this does not look like a mirage. We have no answer. Embiid looked weak, but, as mentioned above, he gets an extra day at home to rest.

    Our guys just looked tired and they made uncharacteristic mental mistakes due to fatigue IMO. I hope the physio staff is on it on these rest days.

    Let’s re-set and play “our” game in Philly. I really hope OG steps it up, and Divo finds something good to do.

    In hindsight, I really wish Thibs had played Precious some in that last game. He worked so well the night before, but coach didn’t even give him 5 minutes. If Mitch is less gassed at the end, does he make that foul? IDK.

    Let’s see about Thursday.

    What extra day off are you guys taking about? The game is tomorrow, it’s just the normal 1 day off in between games.

    DDV is demonstrating that he’s not a playoff starting 2. He hasn’t even been a tertiary scorer. I guess it’s a good data point to have going into the off season.

    E was correct about that. But it’s a bit of broken clock syndrome 😉

    I’ll do a full mea culpa on the Knicks possibly being better offensively without Randle

    Yes, the ball movement is better, but sometimes in a tight playoff game, you just need a guy to give the ball to and let him do his thing. Brunson took way too many 3’s in OT, but really, who’s he gonna give the ball to in crunch time?

    Playoff basketball is a different animal, down the stretch it almost always comes down to a star making a play and right now, unfortunately, we only have one.

    I just spent all morning trying to log into my dormant account just to complain about last night. Am I alone in feeling this was darn close to the Reggie Miller game? Up 6 with 25 seconds vs 18.7.

    Reggie’s was a combination of physical mistakes (slipping, missing free throws) and Reggie going God mode. The only real mental mistake was mason not throwing the ball down the court when the turnover was inevitable.

    Last night was a stupid foul on the 4 point play, stupidly not fouling up 3, and brunson stupidly waiting too long to go into his final shot. And oh yeah a missed ft.

    The tightening of the rotation by Thibs was a mistake. Team was gassed.

    I’m just going to try to channel my inner Donnie Walsh and be entertained.

    Unfortunately my inner Pagliacci is a lot stronger.

    PS – Donnie if you read this I edited that comment from game 3 within 5 seconds but it wasn’t quick enough and you saw the original. My apologies for telling you to fuck off. I was deeply in emotion mind and reacted poorly to your praise of Embiid.

    The tightening of the rotation by Thibs was a mistake. Team was gassed.

    I think it was very reasonable to go all in last night. But Thibs needs to play the long game tomorrow. It’s Philly that’s facing three straight elimination games, not us.

    Use Precious at the four to spell Josh Hart (it turns out he’s not indefatigable after all). Dust off Alec Burks and plug him in the Bojan role. We can afford to do that tomorrow. Philly can’t.

    Maybe we get lucky like Philly did with Cam Payne and Alec Burks hits a couple of threes.

    Play to win but play the odds, too. Running this guys on fumes doesn’t give you the best chance to win. And we can’t be scared of a game 7 in our own building.

    What extra day off are you guys taking about? The game is tomorrow, it’s just the normal 1 day off in between games.

    Haha. True. I’m also gassed and making mental mistakes 😉

    — Hart turning it over on that fast break “heat check”
    — Hart missing his FT
    — Brunson throwing the ball out of bounds
    — Mitch fouling.

    We all need some rest.

    Also we should be using three strategies to defend Embiid:

    First with Hartenstein as the primary. Then with Mitch. Then close out the half/game with OG.

    I told you that wasn’t an intentional adjustment from Thibs in game 4. He completely abandoned it yesterday like Mike Woodson forgetting about Chris Copeland at the 5.

    Mitch on Embiid is fantastic but it comes with two massive costs:

    1. Bad offense

    2. The loss of rim protection

    I have absolutely no criticism of how Thibs coached last night. I thought he coached extremely well. This is just about the lesson that should be learned going forward.

    DDV is demonstrating that he’s not a playoff starting 2. He hasn’t even been a tertiary scorer. I guess it’s a good data point to have going into the off season.

    He’s been awful but since everything reminds me of something that’s happened to us before I have a good comp to consider:

    In the 1994 finals Vernon Maxwell was hot garbage for 6 games and then he killed us at home in game 7.

    I’mma stubbornly stick with the law of averages here.

    I think Deuce has to start in place of DDV. Deuce has been great all series, let the young man play and let’s find out if he can be a starter during the playoffs.

    Up 3 at the end you had to foul, you can’t just let somebody that hot take a shot

    Sorry to keep posting but does anyone think that LeBron tweet about Maxey is maybe a sign of his intent? If he’s willing to sign at a reasonable price they can bring this whole team back, add him, and use the picks they got for Harden to trade for help. (Maxey is a Rich Paul guy, too).

    Yeah, gotta give it to E on this one, he was absolutely right about DiVincenzo.

    Choking away a game like this just feels so terrible, what should have been a 5 game series is now on the verge of becoming a 7 game disaster. Embiid played about as terrible as he can and we still lost because of those stupid mistakes. I know I’m a doomer when things get stressful but the momentum has completely shifted it feels. Ugh.

    In game 4 Brunson scored 47 points and team scored 97. They don’t have enough scoring options. Bojan going down doesn’t help.

    I like the reactions of our team a lot. I think they knew this is going to be a battle, we had our chance, but let’s move on and continue to play hard.

    “We know we should’ve ended it tonight but we’ve got to move forward, got to stay together, regroup, and just look forward to getting back to work tomorrow.”
    – Deuce McBride

    Mitchell Robinson on Tyrese Maxey’s four-point play late in regulation:
    “Just take it like a man. I f–ked up. S–t, just got to be better next game.”

    Jalen Brunson was asked about the heavy minutes he has played and whether that affects him “pacing himself” during games:
    “All-out. No time to pace yourself anymore.”

    “That’s a game we should’ve won. Now all we can do is watch film, regroup and get ready for the game on Thursday.”
    – Josh Hart

    “That’s on us. We’ve got to execute better. We’ll be better.”
    – OG Anunoby

    And i don’t think Maxey can play this good for 2 consecutive games. I’m still optimistic.

    Also, english_knick will get to watch the Knicks in the playoffs, and i hope our fans go to Philly in large numbers to piss Embiid off again. That will be hilarious. 🧡💙

    Sorry to keep posting but does anyone think that LeBron tweet about Maxey is maybe a sign of his intent? If he’s willing to sign at a reasonable price they can bring this whole team back, add him, and use the picks they got for Harden to trade for help. (Maxey is a Rich Paul guy, too

    Hard team seeing Lebron go to cold weather. I think he also wants to get into acting post career and doesn’t want to anger the people in L.A where it’s based at.

    The silver lining here is that Nurse injured his finger slamming a clipboard down. KARMA!

    Most of us predicted Knicks in 6 and now that the frustration is wearing off no reason to believe that prediction won’t come true. Knicks will close them out tomorrow.

    Yeah, gotta give it to E on this one, he was absolutely right about DiVincenzo.

    I’ll admit E’s call is looking good but let’s not all jump off the Law Of Averages Ship just yet.

    In every game this series outside of the game 2 winner, Donte has taken more shots than points scored in every game.

    The rumor that Leon is eyeing Devin Booker [CAA] means he knows Donte isn’t the answer.

    Cyber, thx for those quotes. Stepping off my ledge.

    English Knick, it’s all on you. We need to hear the accent on the telecast. 😉

    He avg 15.5 PPG in the regular season

    He has cracked double digits once in this series. That isn’t going to cut it.

    The silver lining here is that Nurse injured his finger slamming a clipboard down. KARMA!

    Might make it harder for him to call a time out in the closing seconds of a close game. We need every advantage we can get!

    I paid closer attention to what’s stymieing Donte last night, btw, and I just think a lot of credit has to go to Philly for limiting his attempts.

    (I said “a lot”, not all. I know Donte’s missing open shots, as well. But his volume is way down, too — even on a per 36 basis.)

    They have three interchangeable 6’8″ wing defenders (Harris, Oubre, Batum) on the court who can close out quickly and while Donte is good at attacking closeouts he’s not very good at passing out of his drives.

    Donte is like those stationary shooters [Steve Novak, Kyle Korver] you stay glued to them and they disappear.

    Difficult to consume NBA content this morning. Definitely an emotional hangover effect.

    The reason some of us feel it’s worth putting up with Thibs’ well-documented flaws is because he seems to have instilled a remarkably resilient culture. I am in that group, and now it’s time to put said culture to the test.

    The Thibs thing will have hard time being sold if they lose this series. Maxey should’ve been trapped at 96-90 let somebody else take a shot and at 97-94 you have to foul. Leon will not fire him because he is a mouth piece for him and got 50 wins without a full roster. On the other hand it will be hard to sell him back to a large part of the fanbase

    Referees should never determine the outcome of a game. That was not a foul on Mitch.

    The 4 point play didn’t decide the outcome. The Knicks still had to be intentionally fouled, could have sealed it if they’d hit the free throws, and then Maxey needed to hit a shot from the logo. As much as I’d condone the league pulling a few levers to extend it, this one just isn’t open to conspiracy.

    Hubert, no worries. I like being Donnie Sixers Fan. (The big takeaway here is that I said I’d watch Knick games again when there was a point to it, and here I am. That is measurable progress!)

    Some are killing Mitch and Hart as the “reasons why we lost,” a sentiment I disagree with wholeheartedly. But let’s not forget that OG also missed a free throw with 59 seconds left that would have given us a 7-point lead rather than a 6-point lead. I love the guy and wish that he hadn’t missed that free throw, either, but no player has ever shot 100 percent from the line.

    Josh Hart is shooting 40% from 3 on over 6 attempts a game, I’m not drawing any conclusions after 5 games.

    Shooters have slumps. Everybody said Donte was done in February after a couple bad games just before he played his best ball of his career.

    Posters here thought Brunson was toast after 2 bad games against Philly. They’ve said Embiid shrinks in the playoffs. E still thinks Cam Reddish is great because he caught fire during one short playoff series.

    If we can get a better player than Donte, then we should do it, but E just says this stuff because he thinks we should be starting 5 MVP candidates.

    Yeah, similar to how I feel like the refs didn’t give us game 2, we just outhustled and outsmarted Philly, I have to tip my hat to Philly and I think we let up on the gas about one minute too soon.

    We were 16-24 from the free throw line, shooting 66 percent.

    Hart missing that one at the end was huge. But OG missed one a bit earlier too. Brunson missed 2 free throws in the first half. We couldn’t buy a bucket the first half of the first quarter. Brunson missed that one in OT off the flagrant. He hit the 3 right after that to tie it but we would have been up by 1.

    We had some bad turnovers. Brunson took some ill advised heat checks. The 4 point play. Not fouling before Maxey hit the logo 3 to tie it. So many mental mistakes and too many missed free throws.

    I’m very worried. I don’t know where the offense is going to come from if DDV isn’t going off. Brunson can’t carry the load all by himself. And OG and Hart actually scored more than they usually do last night.

    McBride needs more minutes. I agree about Precious too. Hubs, I think you’re right that we need to maybe give Burks a shot this next game, extend the breaks on the bench for our key guys a bit because we still have one in our pocket at home if we lose tomorrow.

    Above all, though, if we lose this series, I really hope this doesn’t cause a panic by Leon. We’re missing our 3 time all-star, 2 time all-nba player who drops 25 points and grabs 10 boards a game. Even if Randle was having an off series if he was fully healthy we would have that other outlet on the offense. He would command the double. DDV and OG would have more open looks at 3, etc.

    And seeing how well McBride has played, if we are going to run it back and not make some big move, I’d love for Thibs to explore next season the idea of starting McBride, moving DDV to the bench as our 6th man and getting a good veteran PG to back up Brunson.

    McBride has been the most impressive to me during this series.

    But also…tip of hat to Maxey. I knew he was good but had no idea. He’s a fuckin’ baller.

    Some Josh Hart stats to consider (and please don’t take this the wrong way, I know he’s been very good in this series, I’m just looking at things and I think this is worth consideration):

    – He has played in 232 of 245 (95%) possible minutes.

    – We are minus 21 in his 232 minutes.

    – We are plus 18 in his 13 minutes on the bench.

    Definitely some noise in there. And he did very well making them pay in games 1-3 and it showed in our offensive rating.

    But they stuck with their strategy and now it’s paying off. His constant presence is a big reason the rest of the team isn’t getting good looks. We need to occasionally show them a different look that stretches their defense because it’s just too damn comfortable playing this way right now.

    OG was incredible down the stretch, he’s the last player who deserves any blame for the loss.

    Bojan has the highest plus minus on the Knicks in this series

    And now he’s injured

    He provided the Knicks with another offensive option

    I don’t think we should try Burks. He started sucking when we acquired him, but that was also around when the league started cracking down on foul baiting. I don’t think he can play without the favorable early season whistle.

    I mean we’re trying to beat these guys with one hand tied behind our backs here because of our injury problems. And neither of the key players who are hurt were hurt because of overuse. Randle’s injury was a freak injury and Bojan’s just old.

    I can’t feel bad about how this series is playing out. We’re beating these guys with a team that is held together with chewing gum. We have one guy who can create a shot.

    OG was incredible down the stretch, he’s the last player who deserves any blame for the loss.

    I’m not blaming him. He was great. Just pointing out the overall damage of the team missing their free throws. One more made free throw in the 4th and we would be resting right now.

    Precious can defend the perimeter much better than Mitch and he’s on the bench, that’s on Thibs.

    We are plus 18 in his 13 minutes on the bench.

    And FWIW Joel Embiid has been on the floor for 12 of these 13 minutes. Tyrese Maxey has been on the floor for 11/13. There is no 2nd unit boost baked in here. When Josh Hart sits, we get dunks and threes.

    Maxey went 0 for 2 on a trip to the FT line in the 4th quarter.

    This offseason Leon needs to make whatever consolidation trade he can and acquire another great shot creator. Not sure how to make the salary cap stuff work but that’s what we need, even with Randle returning. A Thibs-culture defense with three strong shot creators could make a pretty strong playoff run.

    What people haven’t mentioned is that Philly had 12 offensive rebounds and we only had 6.

    Also, we almost won that game. We don’t necessarily need wholesale changes to our scheme.

    Yes the Knicks do not have enough shot creators

    Embiid sucks – Maxey bail out

    Tatum sucks – Derrick white 38 points or Jaylen Brown drops 30

    Hell even the Bucks can function and drop 115 points without Dame or Giannis

    Jokic has Murray and MPJR

    Said it last night, Brunson has the worst supporting cast of any star player in the playoffs

    This offseason Leon needs to make whatever consolidation trade he can and acquire another great shot creator. Not sure how to make the salary cap stuff work but that’s what we need, even with Randle returning. A Thibs-culture defense with three strong shot creators could make a pretty strong playoff run.

    I’m thinking Anthony Davis is just about perfect and would allow us to retain our key players. He comes with injury risk but I’ll take it.

    Well guys, I have no thoughts on Games 6-7 because in my mind the series is over. We had no business winning any of the games against this team but we’d stolen three and were about to steal a fourth running on fumes. That was our chance. There won’t be another Embiid migraine game, and Maxey’s confidence will only grow now that he’s realized that with Embiid as he is, he is the clear best player in the series. Their role players have started contributing and if Embiid is more than 50% they will start blowing us out.

    Needless to say, I don’t expect to win the next two games or even be competitive. I’m dreading that they will even be played. I thought we had done a nice neat seppuku, but the situation we’re in now is much worse as we we are bound to collapse in slow motion for all the world to see. There’s a scene early in the same show, Shogun, where one of the western characters is casually boiled alive in a hot cauldron — volunteering to play the Sixers is looking more like that. Seppuku, it turns out, was too optimistic.

    No point rehashing the mistakes that led us to this eminently avoidable disaster. Everything that had to happen, happened. Dolan’s Razor willed it, and so it was done. The Iron Law of Knicks Fandom stands: everything good that happens, like the G2 ending, is only to set up an even more crushing disappointment.

    For me this was the worst moment of my 32 years as a fan since Ewing’s G7 finger roll in 1995. It’s worse than Miller 8 in 18 seconds because that was anyone’s series at that point. This collapse directly turns a massive achievement, beating a superior opponent in 5 games, into the ignominious disappointment of blowing a 3-1 lead. There simply isn’t any coming back from this. Bet it all on Sixers in 7 while the odds are still good.

    And FWIW Joel Embiid has been on the floor for 12 of these 13 minutes. Tyrese Maxey has been on the floor for 11/13. There is no 2nd unit boost baked in here. When Josh Hart sits, we get dunks and threes.

    To be fair, Detroit could probably score 18pts in that one minute Embiid sits.

    What people haven’t mentioned is that Philly had 12 offensive rebounds and we only had 6.

    I’m going to pull a Hubert by tearing my rotator cuff patting myself on the back…

    BrunsonPeroneusLongussays:
    April 30, 2024 at 22:19
    No rebounds…. no rings….

    I’m thinking Anthony Davis is just about perfect and would allow us to retain our key players. He comes with injury risk but I’ll take it.

    Davis would be taking either Randle’s job or the iHart/Mitch job. We need a DDV upgrade.

    Booker or Mitchell.

    We don’t necessarily need wholesale changes to our scheme.

    No just a little work around the edges.

    The same periods are killing us every game: the first quarter, the end of the second, the start of the 3rd.

    A big reason it’s happening is because when we get that awesome middle-of-the-first-half run we snap right back to the default strategy that led to us being down in the first place.

    Instead of going from A to B to A again, we could go from A to B to C while limiting the amount of time we stay in A when it’s not working.

    This is where “death lineups” traditionally come into play. They never start the game. They are usually the C strategy that teams effectively employ for brief periods.

    (A death lineup is often small but it doesn’t have to be. The important thing is you’re giving your opponent a 3rd look.)

    Davis would be taking either Randle’s job or the iHart/Mitch job. We need a DDV upgrade

    Davis gives you elite defense and very good offense. Jokic doesn’t exist out East. Having a 2 way center could go a long way

    I’m going to pull a Hubert by tearing my rotator cuff patting myself on the back…

    BrunsonPeroneusLongussays:
    April 30, 2024 at 22:19
    No rebounds…. no rings….

    Must’ve missed that, I wasn’t exactly in the mood to read through all the comments last night

    The same periods are killing us every game: the first quarter, the end of the second, the start of the 3rd.

    I have to wonder if it’s really just Embiid feeling rested at the beginning of the game and coming out of the half. If he were in shape would we get blown out in four straight games?

    We could analyze the game and series until we’re blue in the face, fact is Deuce scored with 28 secs left to put the Knicks up 6. Series should’ve been over at that point.

    What people haven’t mentioned is that Philly had 12 offensive rebounds and we only had 6.

    Wow, didn’t check the stats, but watching the game i thought we were leveled on OREBs. We’re good at this, so i guess we’ll probably rebound (npi) in game 6.

    Gut wrenching loss. Bigger picture – If we are going to win this next game, the series or make any noise at all … we can’t have Big Ragu playing like little tomato sauce… shooting 38% from 2 and 30% from 3, for your starting SG over a 5 game stretch w/o Randle and without Bogie, is not gonna cut it. Big shot in game 2 aside, He needs to STEP UP.

    It wasn’t just the big shot in Game 2, he scored 19 pts on just 10 FGA. I don’t care too much about the FG% as much as I just want him to be more aggressive like he’s been most of the season.

    Davis would be taking either Randle’s job or the iHart/Mitch job. We need a DDV upgrade.

    Booker or Mitchell

    He’s like a 10X upgrade over Hartenstein and Mitch, though!

    Mitchell and Booker will have everyone under the sun involved in a bidding war. The list of teams that can afford AD and has picks to trade is probably limited to us.

    Nobody will trade for Mitchell if he isn’t going to extend with them

    Love “Little Tomato”…

    But AD is definitively an upgrade over Mitch and iHart. Problem is that GMs usually want at least one young high potential player in return with a boat load of picks. Only way Lakers go full rebuild is if Lebron walks.

    Is there a site that tracks Screen Assists? – Watched Gobert and Bam last week set monster screens that shooters basically just dribble walked into their shots wide open.

    https://hoopshype.com/lists/2025-nba-free-agent-rankings/ not sure how many make it to free agency, but the Lakers will wind up with one of them if Lebron ever left. They won’t go full rebuild the last time they tried with Lonzo, Ingram the people basically quit on the team. You need stars on that team for people to go and watch or an elite once in a gen player like Wemby.

    Question.

    Do you think Embiid’s migraine was real?

    Cause I’m starting to think that Nurse made the decision to not try and rely so much on Embiid and have him focus on defense, rebounding and assists and let Maxey go wild instead.

    We’ve had no answer for Maxey. Embiid has played really well but in every game he’s been gassed by the 4th. Seems like instead of asking him to do so much on offense, Nurse asked him to focus on those other things and serve as a decoy. So we can say “hey! we stopped Embiid” but we lost the game cause Maxey went off (he has boundless energy).

    I guess having a stretch big would give us a dimension we sorely lack. I still don’t love having only one guard who can create.

    If it’s true that Leon is after Booker he is looking for another guard that can create so we shall see

    Embiid is shooting 43/32/83, not exactly dominating the series.

    The thing that helps Embiid is he doesn’t have to defend anybody which will help any semi injured person. Just stay near the rim and be fine

    “Anthony Davis averaged 27.8 points, 15.6 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 5 games against the Nuggets in the 2024 Western Conference First Round”.

    Do you know how much of a cheat code it is to get that production on offense at Center in a league full of rim runners, but also carry elite defense as well.

    He hit the 3 right after that to tie it but we would have been up by 1.

    After Brunson tied it at 106-106 Philly only got one FG: Kelly Oubre’s wide open dunk.

    Oubre bought the ball up and cut straight to the rim. Embiid set a perfect pick on Josh Hart and Hartenstein stayed with Embiid. It was a set play that Philly ran and it was perfect.

    How desperately we need another creator comes down to how reliable Randle can be in the playoffs, so it’s a shame we’ll get no new data whatsoever on that front. Regardless, based on the existing data I tend to agree it’s something we should address if possible and sensible.

    There would obviously be a whoooooooole lot of extra stuff to work out but…a KD-for-Randle framework makes some sense, no?

    I slept badly last night. Still worked up. Absolutely painful to be on the verge of closing the series out with 30 seconds to go and have it fall apart.

    All in all, Maxey won a game single-handedly for them. That’s fair.

    We didn’t execute on enough little things to close out the game. Missed FTs, passes thrown out of bounds. Better execution throughout and the Mitch foul doesn’t give Philly enough of a lifeline to steal the game.

    Our offense on OT was too much Brunson heroball. I get getting caught up in the heat of the moment. I didn’t notice myself until the MSG postgame brought it up that Brunson was the only Knick who scored in the last 5 — but everyone else got cold standing around waiting to rebound.

    At least our guys are mentally tough. I think this will only steel their resolve to come back for game 6.

    I think we’ve got Embiid figured out. We held him to 19 points, 9 TOs, a near cripple-double. Thibs will make adjustments to slow Maxey down, and there’s a good chance they’ll succeed.

    I wish game 6 was today so the queasy feeling in my gut would go away sooner. Sports is pain.

    I think the wheels are about to fall off KD. I’m not really feeling age 36+ Kevin Durant as the final piece.

    The Celtics unlocked a new level on offense when they traded Robert Williams and replaced him with KP

    5 out- you have to defend everybody

    Thibs will make adjustments to slow Maxey down,

    Haven’t seen it yet. Last night he didn’t even trap him at all in the closing seconds

    Brunson was the only Knick who scored in the last 5

    Other than that Josh Hart layup attempt that Brunson practically forced him to take, Brunson was the only Knick to shoot in the last 5 minutes.

    How desperately we need another creator comes down to how reliable Randle can be in the playoffs, so it’s a shame we’ll get no new data whatsoever on that front. Regardless, based on the existing data I tend to agree it’s something we should address if possible and sensible.

    My thing is, if healthy, even if Randle was having a “bad” playoff series, he’s still going to be a physical presence that commands the double team, can kick out to open shooters and will grab 10 boards a game. He’d help get Embiid on foul trouble, etc. And if he’s having a good series, we’d have swept them by now.

    It does suck not to get the data point but I think we should trust that Randle can get it done if he’s healthy and he’s the number two while Brunson is the one and we’ve got shooters and defenders around them both, which we would.

    I’m open to trading him, obviously. But not if it’s for KD or Lebron or some other all in chips move for an aging star on their last legs.

    Being at the game, I was watching Embiid closely, and the guy could barely get up and down the court. There were a few possessions where he didn’t even bother running back on defense.

    And on offense he was basically immobile, when he had the ball our guys were swarming him and forcing him into terrible turnovers.

    I was actually glad Nurse left him in, because it sure seemed like he was hurting the Sixers more than helping.

    I can’t imagine he’s gonna be any healthier for game 6, which is why I have confidence we can win it (assuming Maxey doesn’t go full nuclear again)

    Two things I’m trying to keep in the front of my mind. Well three, actually.

    First, the Knicks have ripped the heart out of so many fan bases this year, it’s really weird to have it done back to us. But turnaround is fair play, I guess.

    Second, it’s the playoffs, and it only gets worse from here. I’m not hugely convinced this is a championship team, so we’ll lose more, until we get drummed out eventually. Maybe not, and maybe not for a while, but we have to steel ourselves to that eventual likelihood.

    And lastly, I’m absolutely convinced that this team will come back angry and kick Philly’s ass in Game 6. But maybe let’s win the first quarter, guys…

    Most important: Will someone draw up a plan to stop Maxey and send it to Thibs. I just don’t see it from the games, so far.

    Also: IMO if we had Randle, we would have swept Philly already (no doubt) and might be favorites to win the East now that KP is hurt.

    I’m not hugely convinced this is a championship team

    If your second option on offense is sometimes Deuce Mcbride you’re definitely not

    Deuce has been our most consistent performer, lol. He needs more burn.

    Yeah, Deuce is not the underperforming droid you are looking for.

    First, the Knicks have ripped the heart out of so many fan bases this year, it’s really weird to have it done back to us. But turnaround is fair play, I guess.

    Who have we done this to other than maybe Detroit when DDV got away with a tackle? What have we done to any other team, ever, that’s comparable to last night, or even Doncic stealing our souls up 11 with 33 seconds last year?

    And lastly, I’m absolutely convinced that this team will come back angry and kick Philly’s ass in Game 6. But maybe let’s win the first quarter, guys…

    Why? Did you think we had a shot in the series after Miller 8 in 18? Basketball is a game of confidence and momentum. The team that heroically forces the OT always seems to win. The team that lands the incredible gut punch always seems to prevail. Our season is over, we just don’t get to have closure on it for 4 more days.

    How do you expect us to stop Maxey? He has gotten a layup any time he’s wanted for five games. Do you think Thibs isn’t interested in stopping that? There is no adjustment. He owns us even if Embiid is 20%, and if Embiid is more than 20% Embiid owns us.

    Is there a site that tracks Screen Assists? – Watched Gobert and Bam last week set monster screens that shooters basically just dribble walked into their shots wide open

    NBA.com track this. It’s under “hustle”. Doesn’t distinguish the quality of the screen and doesn’t link to video like they do for a lot of other stats.

    People keep saying we need to stop Maxey and Embiid had a bad game. Maxey hit seven 3s:

    * 3 came off Embiid kickouts
    * 2 from Embiid stonewalling Deuce
    * 1 from Deuce overplaying the Embiid screen and getting burned by the crossover
    * 1 from an Embiid assist and screen assists thanks to a DHO

    Maxey is a problem but Embiid was involved in every single Maxey 3. Did anyone even see Deuce on their TV screen when Maxey drew the foul on Mitch? Probably not, because Deuce was leaving his face print in Embiid’s chest.

    In addition to his 10 traditional assists, Embiid had 9 screen assists for 22 points.

    I must admit that Deuce has been one of my favorite narratives this year.

    He’s gone from otherwise useless defensive specialist
    to
    dependable catch-and-shoot three point shooter
    to
    capable of successfully leading a fast break (and dunking!)
    to
    being able to create space and hit two-pointers
    to
    driving successfully to the rim for layups.

    It’s like he’s adding something new every two weeks, like clockwork.

    Maxey is a problem but Embiid was involved in every single Maxey 3. Did anyone even see Deuce on their TV screen when Maxey drew the foul on Mitch? Probably not, because Deuce was leaving his face print in Embiid’s chest.

    Right, so … thoughts? Is Deuce just not up to guarding Maxey? Or is the system due for a tweak?

    Are we forgetting Game 2 already and how the Knicks stole that game?

    Maxey is a problem but Embiid was involved in every single Maxey 3. Did anyone even see Deuce on their TV screen when Maxey drew the foul on Mitch? Probably not, because Deuce was leaving his face print in Embiid’s chest.

    Right, so … thoughts? Is Deuce just not up to guarding Maxey? Or is the system due for a tweak?

    This one is on the coaching staff and has been since game 1. It is not the first game Sixers run those plays. I know you can take only a few things away from the opposing team, not all, and the Knicks have been keying mostly on Embiid. However, Maxey roasting us time after time is intolerable, particularly last night when Embiid was so bad. The Knicks should have done more to slow down Maxey.

    Brunson became the 3rd player in NBA history (MJ, LeBron) to score 125+ pts with 25+ asts in span of 3 consecutive playoff games.

    What’s Brunsons shooting splits in this series? I know his first two games were brutal

    Are we forgetting Game 2 already and how the Knicks stole that game?

    That was one game early on in a series that was still wide open, and it happened due to multiple well-documented officiating mishaps in our favor.

    Last night was infinitely worse. No team in the play-by-play stat tracking era has ever lost a playoff game when up 6 with 30s or less to go. No refs to blame here, this was a pure 100% choke-job setting up the most gut-wrenching playoff series collapse in NBA history. This one sequence was worth three playoff wins by itself. It’s the difference between a triumphant gentleman’s sweep and a first-round exit blowing a 3-1 lead. I can’t think of any single 30-second sequence as calamitous in the last 30 years, for ANY team, other than those involving catastrophic injury.

    I’m honestly beside myself because I couldn’t have imagined such a perfectly tailored letdown. Even I believed we had it won on the Deuce jumper! A basketball movie ending this way would be hackneyed and implausible. It was just so perfect in its terribleness.

    Things like this honestly makes me wonder if I live in a simulation — these kind of events are just too unlikely for an indifferent universe to spawn them randomly with such perfect timing. The other possibility would be that, contrary to everything else I’ve ever observed in other areas of life, there is a God. And His most salient attribute is that He absolutely fucking HATES Knick fans.

    Did you think we had a shot in the series after Miller 8 in 18? Basketball is a game of confidence and momentum.

    Yes. The Knicks won game 6 on the road in that series to force game 7 after being down 3-1. The momentum had tuned back to the Knicks, then Ewing missed the finger roll and, well, Piagliacci was born…

    setting up the most gut-wrenching playoff series collapse in NBA history.

    LOL, so this series loss will be worse than the GSW in 2016? The team with the most wins in the regular season in league history going up 3-1 only to lose the finals?

    Right, so … thoughts? Is Deuce just not up to guarding Maxey? Or is the system due for a tweak?

    He needs to get around screens or we need OG or Achiuwa on Embiid to properly switch/hedge.

    They also ran the last two 3pt actions out near half court so nobody could rotate when Deuce got pinned.

    Or you just hit your damn free throws and don’t make stupid TOs in the last 20 seconds of the game, rendering the whole sequence moot.

    No refs to blame here, this was a pure 100% choke-job setting up the most gut-wrenching playoff series collapse in NBA history.

    The bit is really getting old. This wouldn’t even be the worst playoff collapse in Knicks history, let alone playoff history.

    “* 1 from an Embiid assist and screen assists thanks to a DHO”

    What is a “DHO”?

    1. Not having a 2nd option that can create for himself hurt us badly last night. Brunson can carry an enormous scoring load a lot of the time, but he’s not going to be able to do every night. Last night he was trying to do too much (as he sometimes does) and made some costly mistakes because of it.

    2. In the off season, the goals should be a backup PG and upgrading DDV. DDV can impact a game as a spacer/shooter when he’s getting open looks, but he can’t create well, makes some really dumb decisions at times, and despite the hustle plays on D is a problem on that end sometimes. He’s more of a 6th man.

    3. This next game was going to be problematical either way, but if the 76ers win, they are going to feel like the better team. It will be 3-3, but they think they got screwed by the refs in one game at MSG and beat us fair and square in another. So they are going to come into MSG confident they can beat us again even in a game 7.

    Yes. The Knicks won game 6 on the road in that series to force game 7 after being down 3-1. The momentum had tuned back to the Knicks, then Ewing missed the finger roll and, well, Piagliacci was born…

    Exactly. Our history as a home team in high-pressure games is fucking terrible. We have a home court disadvantage because the Garden mystique seems to cause opposing players to play out of their minds in big moments.

    There is NO higher pressure home game in the NBA playoffs than G7 after blowing the 3-1 lead. Except maybe G7 after blowing a 3-0 lead, and look how that turned out for Boston last year. I’ll be shocked if we’re even competitive in G7.

    LOL, so this series loss will be worse than the GSW in 2016? The team with the most wins in the regular season in league history going up 3-1 only to lose the finals?

    Yes. They lost because of non-basketball things first and foremost, Draymond Green’s stupidity. If we lost the series because OG Anunoby punched Maxey in the balls it’d be funny, but not a choke job.

    And frankly, I could tolerate the worst playoff collapse in NBA history a lot better after our back-to-back MVP had led us to a championship just the year before than in the current context, where it’s been the NBA’s boot stomping on our collective faces for 30 years.

    In the off season, the goals should be a backup PG and upgrading DDV. DDV can impact a game as a spacer/shooter when he’s getting open looks, but he can’t create well, makes some really dumb decisions at times, and despite the hustle plays on D is a problem on that end sometimes. He’s more of a 6th man.

    This is why the move for Mikal makes so much more sense. You get a bigger DDV who shoots just as well from 3, much better defender and can even be a true third option on a good team. DDV gets to be the 6th man and he’ll be cool with it because of the NOVA connection. IF you do this, you can continue to develop McBRide as the back up PG. He’s come a long way this season.

    * 1 from an Embiid assist and screen assists thanks to a DHO”

    What is a “DHO”?

    Dribble hand-off

    https://twitter.com/DJAceNBA/status/1785740894601175284

    Video of Maxey just looking way faster than anybody on the court and it’s collapsing the defense

    He is faster than everybody on the court, and there’s not much you can do about that

    But Deuce was also overplaying the Embiid screen that wasn’t set. Maxey was acts like he was going to use a screen, Deuce starts to shift to cutoff the screen, and Maxey uses that as an opening to go the other way.

    It’s partly Maxey’s speed, but it’s also bad defense on Deuce there.

    OG probably should have stayed put because Mitch was able to get over there, but even that was okay. I think Brunson could have shifted to play between his man and OG’s man. Instead, he tags Embiid as he dives to the paint, leaving 4 Knicks there and 2 open shooters.

    I’d want somebody better than Mikal and Joe Tsai would force the Knicks to pay more than other teams due to proximity.

    Also they won’t trade Mikal until they find out what’s going on with Mitchell.

    Mikal isn’t much of a shot creator in his own right, and was at his best when he was off-ball. He actually had kind of a crummy season for the Nets. To me he’s the kind of player that has been thought of as underrated for so long that he’s actually overrated, and I don’t want to value “was a Villanova guy” over “does things we need on the court.”

    He’s not a bad player but I don’t see him as the final piece.

    Or you just hit your damn free throws and don’t make stupid TOs in the last 20 seconds of the game, rendering the whole sequence moot.

    I pick option #3. I think that’s what Thibs is thinking. I wonder if he changes anything at all, other than maybe getting Precious out there to soak some minutes.

    Brunson became the 3rd player in NBA history (MJ, LeBron) to score 125+ pts with 25+ asts in span of 3 consecutive playoff games.

    That’s crazy.

    The bit is really getting old. This wouldn’t even be the worst playoff collapse in Knicks history, let alone playoff history.

    What collapse in Knick history is worse? We’ve had some bad moments but we’ve never gone from such an unlosable position directly to ignominious defeat in 30 seconds like this, at least in my lifetime.

    Brunson became the 3rd player in NBA history (MJ, LeBron) to score 125+ pts with 25+ asts in span of 3 consecutive playoff games.

    This would be a nice moral victory were Maxey not a mortal lock to match or exceed this achievement by Game 7.

    The fact that dogrufus is fully doing a bit is so obvious it almost annoys me less than the folks who try to maintain some plausible deniability, but it does mean he should be fully ignored

    this sad clown doomer gimmick is exhausting. I just scroll through his comments now

    Thank you for the explanation of “DHO,” EBW. 🙂

    So if Maxey misses that 35 foot pull up three pointer with 8 seconds left in the game, would people be saying it was a pretty dumb shot?

    I would.

    What collapse in Knick history is worse? We’ve had some bad moments but we’ve never gone from such an unlosable position directly to ignominious defeat in 30 seconds like this, at least in my lifetime.

    I shouldn’t be feeding the troll but 1997 2nd round against Miami was immensely worse. That team won 57 games and was the last great Knicks team and should have had one more shot at the ECF and the Bulls.

    What collapse in Knick history is worse? We’ve had some bad moments but we’ve never gone from such an unlosable position directly to ignominious defeat in 30 seconds like this, at least in my lifetime.

    Pags is generally over the top but I can’t ever recall a team I support being this close to a series victory and blowing the game. The Yankees were 3 outs away from sweeping the Red Sox in ‘04 but a 6 pt lead with 28 seconds is much greater than a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 9th.

    The ‘97 team got crushed in game 5 and were never close to winning the final game. From a sheer “distance to the end” perspective, I’ve never seen anyone lose when closer.

    I will say that 1997 was more a miscarriage of justice due to the suspensions. 1993 vs Chicago was more of a true basketball collapse but it was against MJ so what else can you say.

    I think Mikal fits perfectly assuming Randle is back and 100%. Randle is the 2nd shot creator and scorer we are missing now.

    I-Hart, Randle, Mikal, J-Hart and Brunson is solid.

    Recently I just qualified that by saying if you could get someone like Booker then you no longer need Randle as the 2nd scorer.

    Yes, fuck Tim Hardaway and P. J. Brown. Wow, we’ve had bad experiences with those various Tim Hardaways in three separate stints.

    Pags is generally over the top but I can’t ever recall a team I support being this close to a series victory and blowing the game. The Yankees were 3 outs away from sweeping the Red Sox in ‘04 but a 6 pt lead with 28 seconds is much greater than a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 9th.

    In 2003, the NY Giants were beating the 49ers 38-14 with 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The 49ers scored 25 straight points to win the game and knock the Giants out of the playoffs.

    One of the key points to that story is “knocked the [team] out of the playoffs.” We have 2 more games and we only have to win 1. So this annoying as fuck doom and gloom, we’ve already lost the series is even more fucking ridiculous and stupid.

    OK

    I’m going to say it.

    FUCK EMBIID AND MAXEY!

    LET’S JUST BEAT THEIR ASSES IN GAME 6 and make all these other conversations irrelevant.

    LET’S GO!

    I enjoy talking to actual people. I enjoy a lot less talking to somebody who is doing some irritating shtick. Try to imagine how utterly annoying it would be to talk to a person in real life who does what this troll does.

    It’s moronic and not in the spirit of the blog.

    I will say that 1997 was more a miscarriage of justice due to the suspensions

    Somehow “leaving the bench area” cost us another shot at the Bulls.

    The rule was then changed (I think).

    I think it’s hysterical that this might actually be THE WORST LOSS EVER, and BBA hasn’t said it.

    I’m still buying this team for this series. They’ll be ready to play in both games if they need it and they will take one of the last two but I’m still confident in them closing out tomorrow. They are fighters. Honestly, this has been a great and entertaining series. I’ve loved it the whole way. If they somehow lose I will be disappointed, but it’s up from here for this team. I just hope they don’t trade Randle. Make some draft picks Leon, leave the team alone!

    I did mention it last night during the game that it would be the worst loss of the season! I was all over the place last night as I usually am during game threads but today I’m actually very calm and confident the Knicks will still win the series.

    Just popping in for a moment to say that this is the worst feeling any sports event has given me since at least the Dave Roberts steal in the 2004 ALCS, if not to Hakeem’s fingertip blocking Starks’ game winner in 1994. (Or, in between, Mariano throwing the ball into the outfield in Game 7 of 2001.) I just had an enormous pit in my stomach from the moment Maxey made the 4-point play, had to eventually turn off overtime to watch the end of a movie and read a book, just to take my mind off it. When I got up for my usual middle of the night trip to relieve my bladder, I found I couldn’t get back to sleep because my mind kept returning to the last 30 seconds of that game.

    I imagine this is how many Philly fans felt after Game 2. Karma and all. I just need to cleanse my thoughts of the team for a couple of days. I’m honestly not sure if I’ll have the emotional fortitude to watch Game 6, even though I agree we’re still well positioned to win.

    Mostly, just stopping in to say that I love you guys, but rooting for this team can be really, really terrible sometimes. My kids have absolutely zero interest in spectator spots, and on days like this, I don’t blame them.

    If this wasn’t the Knicks, but some other team, we would be saying, “Crazy win, but the team that was up 3-1 is probably going to close this out,” and we’d be right.

    Knicks still significant favorites, but possible they’ll lose. I expect them to win either tomorrow or Game 7. A Game 7 in the Garden would be cool and awesome, but nonetheless unbearable.

    Teams up 3-1 typically win association best of 7s, by a wide, wide margin.

    As others have pointed out, the 1997 team was screwed by the league, they didn’t choke on the court. They were also not as great as their record: 10th in SRS (3.31) with an expected record of 50-32. This year’s team is actually significantly better — we’ve had 6th in SRS at 4.36 with 53-29 expected record.

    Either way, it’s pretty cavalier to think we’d have gotten through the 61-win Heat, let alone the ’97 Bulls who destroyed them in 5.

    I’m still buying this team for this series.

    I’m long Knicks in 7.

    Tomorrow night I might take a valium at 8:30, though.

    As a recovered Cubs fan, I witnessed in-person the epic and soul crushing failure to close out a 3-1 lead in 2004 when Steve Bartman reached into Moises Alou’s glove to erase a key out. That was game 6, and everybody in the universe knew they were going to lose game 7 because no team could possibly bounce back from such a resounding and psychologically scarring collapse.

    The only one close to that was game 6 vs the Bulls after the Charles Smith missed layups.

    All the other traumas were surmountable:

    The Knicks won games 6 and 7 after Reggie’s 25 pt quarter in 1994.

    The Knicks forced game 7 and had a Ewing finger roll to win it in 1995.

    The Knicks and Heat were both distant runners up to the Bulls in 1997 regardless of the brawl.

    This 2024 version feels relatively benign so far.

    Unfortunately i fell asleep right before yesterday’s jumpball and lost the game live…
    Fortunately i watched it in the morning wo knowing what happened with a pretty good headache that took away the pain of this brutal loss…
    Well deserved ballsy Win for the Sixers and for Maxey. they went to Hell and back in 30 seconds
    Series are much better than expected and possibly the best first round series i can ever remember.
    Can’t wait for the 6th

    The Knicks and Heat were both distant runners up to the Bulls in 1997 regardless of the brawl.

    Maybe, but I would’ve liked to have seen the series anyway. We went 2-2 against the Bulls that season and the 2 losses were by a combined 3 points.

    To me last night’s Knick loss was less of a surprise WTF? and more like watching a bus slowly fall off a cliff.

    In that sense, it reminded me of watching Joba Chamberlain battle gnats on the mound for the Yankees in the playoffs (against the Indians?).

    In both cases, I felt bad things were gonna happen, and then they did in fact happen. I wanted to reach into my TV to help, but alas.

    +1 to ThisChicanery on 1997. Furious at the suspensions.

    Furious at the suspensions.

    Don’t think I’ll ever be over it, I get angry any time I think about that season.

    Fouling at the end while being Up 3 points to avoid a 3p shoot is a no brainer in European basketball but Not a standard strategy in the Nba.
    Remember Spurs Heat finals?
    Fouling before opponents 3p shoot means stopping the clock and playing the FT russian roulette game.
    It seems safer than letting the opponent shoot the 3 but you need to make your fts and inbound the ball safely in order to be successful.

    Also, the missed free throws came with so much time left, I don’t think that IS when you typically foul, no? Don’t you automatically foul when there’s much less time left on the clock?

    The more time left the more dangerous is to lose the game by fouling a team that shoots fts better than you.
    Playing tough D and giving them the desperate three at the end don’t work every time but i wouldn’t call it a mistake.
    Just a different tactic.

    Fred Katz
    @FredKatz
    More referee drama:

    The last 2 minute report from Game 5 says that Tyrese Maxey traveled before his four-point play with 25 seconds left. Should have been a turnover and Knicks ball with Knicks up seven.

    I guess that makes us even

    Wow. Just re-watched it – wasn’t obvious, but he definitely travelled.

    Also, Mitch was so close to the ball but was doing the “my arms are vertical” thing…

    Oh well. Go win game 6!

    Was thinking about how painful Game 2 must have been to PHI fans, given that there were multiple non-calls in the chaotic sequence that went our way.

    This one in real-time felt like we blew it, and Maxey earned it – nothing to be sour over re: officiating. But yeah…

    Anyway, I trust this team to put it behind them – I feel more confident in this group’s mental fortitude than any Knicks team I can remember. Winning this series will be that much sweeter.

    That 97 team gelled late and were just hitting their stride

    Not really. They were 32-13 at the ASB and 25-12 after….

    They swept Charlotte and were up 3-1 against Miami plus took an early 10 pt lead in Game 5. They without a doubt win Game 6 without the suspensions.

    I could have lived a long and happy life without knowing about Maxey’s travel prior to his 4-point play, which almost certainly would have secured the win for us. (The only thing that makes it even in the slightest bit OK is that I can’t see it for myself when I watch it.)

    The Last 2-Minute Report is basically useless, and I think actually does more harm than good. It only makes people feel badly.

    The Knicks won games 6 and 7 after Reggie’s 25 pt quarter in 1994.

    Not comparable. Reggie played great, sure, but that was a game we were trailing basically the whole way. We didn’t collapse, we just lost. This is the only scenario you list that ends happily.

    The Knicks forced game 7 and had a Ewing finger roll to win it in 1995.

    This is the closest. Miller stole our soul in game 1 and we had to play out the agonizing string for six more games only to come up just short. If we had won Game 1 there is no Game 7 and no Ewing finger roll. This is the outcome I expect in this series: Game 7 at best lost by inches with us bricking a game-winner, or giving one up to Maxey-Embiid. Another likely alternative is us never even being competitive in either of G6-7.

    The Knicks and Heat were both distant runners up to the Bulls in 1997 regardless of the brawl.

    Correct, but the Heat were so odious that beating them was its own reward, kind of like the Sixers now. Still, this was far more screwjob than chokejob.

    This 2024 version feels relatively benign so far.

    That’s because you haven’t yet processed our inevitable losses in G6 and G7. Once you do, it’s gonna sting.

    I could have lived a long and happy life without knowing about Maxey’s travel prior to his 4-point play, which almost certainly would have secured the win for us. (The only thing that makes it even in the slightest bit OK is that I can’t see it for myself when I watch it.)

    The Last 2-Minute Report is basically useless, and I think actually does more harm than good. It only makes people feel badly.

    You know what? It actually does make me feel a little better. We lost one game we should have won and won one game we should have lost. I’d feel a lot better about our momentum if we lost G2 and won G5, but at least there is something at play here beyond us choking and Maxey owning our souls.

    I’m pretty sure the Knicks had a double digit lead going into the 4th quarter before Miller’s explosion.

    I guess that makes us even

    That’s 2-1 in favor of Philly now. In game 3 Embiid should’ve been ejected.

    I’m pretty sure the Knicks had a double digit lead going into the 4th quarter before Miller’s explosion.

    Just checked and you’re actually right, my bad. We were up 12.

    Still not as bad in terms of being right on the cusp of winning the series completely and then turning it into crushing defeat. We were 2-2 going in and that’s anybody’s series.

    you kids are resilient as hell. still fully pretending it never happened and indeed could not have happened due to nothing related ever having existed in the first place. in fact not really sure why i’m here on the motley fool posting about pets.com.

    “We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.” 😉

    In 2013 vs Boston the Knicks were up 3-0 then blew Game 4 in OT before returning home and playing awful in Game 5. They responded in Game 6 back in Boston by building a 26 pt lead early in the 4th quarter, granted they let the lead get cut down to 4 before Melo and JR finally put the game and series away.

    In 2013 vs Boston the Knicks were up 3-0 then blew Game 4 in OT before returning home and playing awful in Game 5. They responded in Game 6 back in Boston by building a 26 pt lead early in the 4th quarter, granted they let the lead get cut down to 4 before Melo and JR finally put the game and series away.

    Not comparable, though that series was extremely annoying.

    As I recall the injuries we accumulated from KG’s constant dirty plays played a role in us losing to Indiana. An amusing subplot was how Roy Hibbert completely dominated us in that series but was unplayable in the league like a year later.

    you kids are resilient as hell. still fully pretending it never happened and indeed could not have happened due to nothing related ever having existed in the first place. in fact not really sure why i’m here on the motley fool posting about pets.com.

    Can’t be in denial if there’s nothing to deny, and there’s NOTHING to deny.

    Stop asking and posting videos of it.

    Just wanted to take a moment to apologize to the many people that I annoy here. Maybe only Alan will get this reference, but I often relate hard to a quote from Nate Fisher on the great HBO show, Six Feet Under: “I just feel like all I do, all day long, is just manage myself, try to fuckin’ connect with people. But it’s like, no matter how much energy you pour into getting to the station on time, or getting on the right train, there’s still no fuckin’ guarantee that anybody’s gonna be there for you to pick you up when you get there.”

    My day-to-day life often feels like endless duty, responsibility, and self-control. Having by degrees given up almost all of my many vices, I do lean hard on the Knicks, and this place. Yet, I have so many useless feelings and desires and passions that have nowhere to go. The team, and this place, helps me get that energy out in one of the least self-destructive ways available. This is just about the only place where I get to be immature any more.

    Rationally and dispassionately, we may still win the series. If we don’t, that’s fine. It’s just fun to have something to look forward that isn’t massively consequential, but we get to pretend together that it is.

    OMG, Pags is geo.

    Seriously, good sharing Pags. I feel for you. Although I’m not entirely convinced, because of boys and wolves and such.

    Pags, just dial down the Eeyore-style doomerism of the bit down from a 9 to like a 5 and the gimmick will be endearing instead of grating.

    pags, you’re a dad for a young child…you are going to have ample opportunity to be a kid again as your youngster goes through their youthful experience…share it with them…

    KB and us, the knicks are all superfluous, a side show…

    try to stay focused on what really matters – the health and journey of yourself and your family…

    it sounds like you have a good bit of intelligence and awareness – use that to challenge and improve yourself…

    https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1785811021770248352

    Jalen needs to pass more to get Donte going says Draymond

    Maybe Draymond should have been a little more self aware than to alienate the best scoring wing in the history of the game who was a perfect fit for his team, not sucker punched a teammate, kicked numerous players in the nutsack costing a ring and not choking another player missing 20 games this season.

    At least the Yankees won’t get swept in Baltimore. At this point their lineup looks like the Knicks offense with Soto playing the role of Brunson.

    “Maybe Draymond should have…”

    As this site has so often proven, you can be something of a jerk and still have lots of opinions…

    If Spoiledstra is nba’s best coach then i guess there’s plenty of room for improvement!
    And Mazzula is probably Master of the Universe incognito!
    😉

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