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Reposting to not get lost in the ether:
I think The Artist Formerly Known as Vincoug (I think, correct me if I’m wrong, ThisChicanery) said it best. All we’re really arguing about when it comes to Cam is *when* the biggest screw up in this clusterfuck occurred.
We traded a pick that would’ve let us pick multiple good players for a pick that now seems at least 50/50 to become two seconds, traded that pick for an unremarkable player with 1.5 years left on his deal, then promptly advertised to the world that we didn’t hold said player in high regard.
I think the original sin was the single dumbest transaction of the bunch because it was so obviously stupid at the time, but it’s a mess from start to finish. There’s truly no need to defend any of it, just say we screwed up and you hope we’ll learn from it.
I suppose you can try the whole “don’t cry over spilled milk” thing, but that rings hollow. Keep in mind Leon Rose has chosen to build the team in a way that allows for basically no margin for error at all–I’m constantly told we’re looking for star players late in the draft, looking for diamonds in the rough, etc. If that’s truly what we’re hoping for, we really don’t get mulligans on this kind of transaction.
While I’m on the subject, I’m sure this will also get dismissed as crying over spilled milk or whatever, but a team in our position should not be giving roster spots to Ryan Arcidiacono.
Again, I’ve been told we’re looking to unearth star talent in unconventional ways. In the rare occasions this has happened for other teams in the past (e.g. FVV), one method of achieving it has been giving fringe roster spots to intriguing UDFAs and/or 2nd rounders.
That’s what we’d be doing if we were really looking to outsmart the competition in this sense. Ryan Arcidiacono is a zero upside proposition, even if it’s admittedly fun to hear Clyde go to war with his name.
They incinerated the pick because Thibodeau’s voice happened to have the most juice at the time of the draft. You listen to that guy on personnel decisions, you’re doomed to failure.
“My rotation is full.” Fuck outta here with that stupid bullshit.
“…traded that pick for an unremarkable player with 1.5 years left on his deal, then promptly advertised to the world that we didn’t hold said player in high regard”
This is, as usual, the most jaded possible take on what went down, especially the part about “advertising to the world that we didn’t hold said player in high regard” as that made any difference in how either the trade or Cam Reddish was perceived by the world.
It’s a false choice that you keep harping on. There was zero reason to force Cam into the rotation when he was acquired and the Knicks were 21-21. There is ample reason to believe that the plan was to see if he can be developed over the course of those 1.5 years, and that he provided insurance in the case that someone like Alec Burks was traded at the deadline that occurred nearly a month after Reddish was acquired, or even this year if several young players were shipped out in a deal for a star. I don’t see why you refuse to allow for those contingencies and are so hyperfocused on Cam’s playing time in January.
If the Mitchell deal had actually gone down and RJ, Obi and/or Grimes were a part of it, there’s a good chance that Reddish would be given a chance to become a starter on this year’s team, contingent on how effectively he rehabbed his shoulder and worked on his body and his game since April. There’s also a good chance that he would have been traded, or benched. That’s kind of what you expect when you trade a highly protected first with a significant chance of conveying as 2 seconds for a 22yo like Cam.
“I’ve been told we’re looking to unearth star talent in unconventional ways. In the rare occasions this has happened for other teams in the past (e.g. FVV), one method of achieving it has been giving fringe roster spots to intriguing UDFAs and/or 2nd rounders.”
Isn’t that kind of what they are doing with Sims? Deuce? Keels? Jeffries? Hunt? Aren’t Archie and Svi just placeholders? Couldn’t a roster spot be freed up in a hot second if someone shakes out, especially when rosters are cut down? Is there someone in particular you think we missed out on?
@TNFH
You’re correct, we’re one and the same. And I’d agree the first trade was the worst in that series of events but yeah the whole thing was bad.
“ That’s kind of what you expect when you trade a highly protected first with a significant chance of conveying as 2 seconds”
Well well well…
Ryan Arcidiacono is on the team because he’s friends with Brunson.
When you are worried about who the 14th or 15th best player on the team is more than keeping our best players happy, you may want to reconsider.
“ That’s kind of what you expect when you trade a highly protected first with a significant chance of conveying as 2 seconds”
Well well well…
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I don’t think Z-man even understands his complete inconsistency, all of which falls squarely on the side of completely shilling.
Before: “Come on guys, don’t use such a mean term like “incinerate,” they have a good chance of getting a really good pick back.
After: “Well, the pick they traded was shitty anyway, why would you expect that to impact whether Cam plays?????”
I’ll be generous, as I always try to be. It could very well be that Z-man simply talks in the moment and argues in the moment and then that’s over and the next moment comes and another argument is now in the moment, and everything from the earlier moment is swept away and we’re tabula rasa all over again.
The problem with that conclusion, of course, is that every moment has a common strain of shilling for the braintrust. (Or “braintrust,” if you will.)
But I’ll stay positive.
This preoccupation with Cam not playing last year is hysterical.
1. They perceived him as a better value than the pick they had (some of us agree and some don’t).
2. On merit he did not deserve minutes until Thibs gave them to him.
3. It would have been nice to have seen more last year but he got hurt. He’s had the off season to work on his game. We’ll see what he has to offer now.
The end.
The original trade was made because they did not see a player in the draft they wanted at the salary and commitment they would have to make. They’ve been consistent. They don’t make picks in the draft for players they don’t want just because they have a pick. They either trade down and get someone they do want or roll them out for future flexibility. They may have given up a hair of “value” in that pick trade, but they valued the flexibility higher.
Being so hung up over Cam Reddish and who we give our 15th roster spot to is lunacy, guys. Please put this one to rest.
2. On merit he did not deserve minutes until Thibs gave them to him.
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You and Z-man continue to expect us all to just defer to Thibs’s decisions and we’re not going to do that because he can’t be trusted to make good ones, and he has obvious double standards. Other basketball people noticed this long ago and one would have to be blind not to see it in action with the Knicks.
“The original trade was made because they did not see a player in the draft they wanted at the salary and commitment they would have to make.”
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Then they don’t know what they’re doing. It’s continued to be put out there as a feature, when it’s actually a massive bug.
No other team does things like this, and absolutely no team with a talent dearth like the Knicks does things like this. Why? The reason is obvious.
And to make matters worse, they did pretty much the exact same thing with this years lottery pick that wasn’t really a lottery pick. When they’re in the textbook definition of NBA purgatory.
You guys are always looking for some explanation or whatnot and the simplest one is that they don’t know what they’re doing and are on the road to nowhere. I guess there’s some sort of psychic resistance to facing that, which I suppose is understandable since we’re all fans. But it’s reality.
They machination-ed a lottery pick away to acquire a free agent at retail, all in service of a team projected to win 38.5 games. That’s kind of pathetic, really.
And then when the Mitchell trade was on the table, everyone said, “Well, they’re still going to need another star to really contend even if they get Mitchell.” Which … yeah, of course. Which means the free agent they signed at retail doesn’t really have much point now, right? If even after you bag him, you still need a Tier 2 guy like Spida and then *another* star?
Meanwhile, I’d like to take time today to blame Atlanta, Minnesota, and Cleveland for making the trade market so disgustingly inflated that now San Antonio is asking for 2 first round picks for Jakob Poeltl (who is on an expiring contract, mind you). I hope they enjoy their 2nd round exits.
The Knicks could have taken advantage of the new trade market with Julius Randle. Just sayin’.
Does anyone think that a Fournier trade to make room for Grimes and Cam is on the horizon, since we added a low usage wing shooter in Svi? If so, that means Fournier will get moved with a pick for either a high salaried player the team can buy out, or a couple of 2nds. Problem is- I don’t think Svi is half the shooter that Fournier is, even though he is pretty good at it
Most likely, as he’s done his entire career, Tom Thibodeau will try to squeeze as many wins as possible out of this flawed roster and will do it on the back of veterans. Ping pong balls be damned, the future be damned, the young players’ development be damned. That’s his MO and he ain’t changing it now that he’s almost at Social Security age.
Which means he would not want Fournier traded. That doesn’t necessarily mean it won’t happen, but it seems unlikely, certainly before the season. Plus I doubt the FO will concede defeat on that signing quite yet.
Starting lineup opening night is Brunson/Barrett/Evan/Randle/Mitch. Rose first off the bench. Quickley and Toppin will probably play less than 20 minutes each. That’s a boring, .500-ish, purgatory team. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if they’re still running that weird three man weave action to get Randle to initiate offense by the third possession.
I touched on this yesterday, but with the benefit of hindsight I think we need to give Thibs a pass on this. Leon’s m.o. is pretty clear: if he can’t get one of the 3 guys he likes he will either try to trade up for him or trade out of the draft completely bc he mistakenly believes heavily protected picks are what other teams want in a trade.
Thibs is not the cause of Leon’s myopia. He is a product of it.
I’ll defend Z-Man on this bc his logic has been consistent. He has said Leon diminished the value of the 19th pick, and then he diminished it again by trading for Cam. He has never argued that wasn’t true, he’s just argued that we shouldn’t dwell on it in light of other moves that he thinks have been quite successful.
The disagreement is in our respective valuations of those other moves. We see nothing that makes us want to overlook that series of transactions, and he does. We see that series as emblematic of a GM with a low ceiling, he sees it as part of the learning curve.
On the other hand, it’s actually inconsistent for Noble to claim we incinerated the pick and then be upset that we squandered something valuable on Cam.
According to Berman, Leon had Brunson targeted from the second he walked in the door. Which, beyond being weird and kind of pathetic, does lend credence to the “targeting” theory on draft night.
Of course, there’s no possible way to actually build a contender if your GM is a “targeter” (*) but I think a lot of us understand this already.
(*) Being a targeter means, virtually by definition, that you’re lazy and incapable. No other GM targets a couple guys only; the whole idea is absurd.
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not sure what you all are doing to keep yourselves going so well…
the stamina/endurance to keep this stuff up is truly impressive…on a monday no less 🙂
it’s actually inconsistent for Noble to claim we incinerated the pick and then be upset that we squandered something valuable on Cam.
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It’s not, because the transaction needs to be looked at as a whole, from start to finish. (Just like Lotterygate does.) The transaction wasn’t “the charred pick for Cam” it was “the 19th pick in the 2021 draft for Cam.”
It’s actually Z-man who’s being inconsistent, as I explained above. For months, it’s “Don’t use the term incinerate, they could get an even better pick back,” then now that it’s necessary to shill, it’s “Well they didn’t give up shit for Cam, so how can you expect them to play him??” We all saw it.
This isn’t surprising, because he’s taken the shill side every single time for like three years. He’ll occasionally feint in the direction of not shilling, but that’s illusory, because every time someone doesn’t shill, he tries to tone police them. See, e.g., his obsession with the term “incinerate.” It’s now long past time to call it what it is.
His silly 2021 spending spree would seem to indicate that is not true, especially granting Kemba the guaranteed second year that no one would have given him.
gonna catch up on the last 2 House of Dragon episodes soon…
I’ve really enjoyed the pace to date…GOT was going waaaaay too fast the last couple of seasons…
I also like how the series seems to be less interested in producing clever dialogue and more focused on moving the story along…
with such a high level of production in sets, costumes, cgi – shoot, they can tell their story without the need for trying to be so consistently clever in their dialogue, which seems to be a near impossible task…
long time fan of baseball, really enjoy watching basketball the most of the major sports, but – oh is it good to have football back…
where we at now cyber? must just be a couple of weeks left before training camp…
oh and before I forget – any good halloween costume ideas out there?
There does seem to be an element of addiction at play for several of us. I recently quit instagram, which I had been addicted to, and it felt like when I quit smoking 20 years ago.
Now I likely open up Knickerblogger with the subsconscious expectation that I will be stimulated by the excitement of someone disagreeing with me just like I used to be stimulated by my insta feed.
When the expectation is met, there’s a sense of relief followed by excitement that can only be quelled with the frantic tapping of thumbs on my phone screen. This pattern seems to have been programmed into my brain as enjoyable.
So I guess I have to do some reprogramming again. Luckily I am going out to the California desert for a week to unplug from electronics. Hopefully I will be warm, fuzzy Hubie when I return.
There are more than a few of us here who hated the incineration trade the moment it was made, called it out for how inexplicably stupid it was, then were told we were incredibly annoying and overreacting to the whole thing, particularly taking issue with the word “incinerated.” And now the guy who told us we were overreacting is saying “yeah well what are you gonna do, the incinerated pick wasn’t worth much so you can’t blame Rose for unloading it for garbage.”
I’ve avoided getting into this debate because it is very dumb, but come on with this shit already. The critics of the incineration trade were correct: Rose burned a 1RP in excruciatingly annoying, Dolan’s Razor-esque fashion. It was not something a smart GM would have done.
Has Leon learned from this? I don’t really know. But that was an embarrassingly bad trade, and an embarrassingly bad job of wallpapering over the trade.
I will agree though that you can’t get mad that Cam Reddish didn’t play last year, because he was injured. “Cam Reddish” and “injured” are words that are frequently used together, so you could point out that Cam Reddish getting injured was not an unpredictable outcome, but the guy was legit hurt and was unavailable.
If dude plays like 300 minutes and racks up a ledger of DNP-CD’s this year, the whole thing manages to look even worse.
FYI, apparently the Wikipedia entry for “The Narcissism of Small Differences”, now points directly to Knickerblogger. Strange. 😉
We’re a family. I love y’all. Let the games begin!!
Haha, true story. 😉 I guess there’s not much to talk about Knicks related, Macri’s newsletter was about “What If…Isiah Never Ran the Knicks?”. If that isn’t a sign of no other topic to talk about, i don’t know what is.
It’s been hard for me to enjoy HoD, Geo, without being disappointed by how bad Rings of Power is. I grew up a Tolkien nut, and when I heard they spent $250mm on rights I assumed it was for the Silmarillion. (The Silmarillion is a book of myths that could probably be mined for 40 seasons without anyone growing tired of it… except maybe AMZN shareholders.)
Instead, I find (only now) that they just bought the same rights that Peter Jackson already thoroughly picked over.
And even so, they’re doing a terrible job with what they have. No one wants to see Galadriel act like a petulant teenager. This is near character assassination. They’re massively fucking with the timeline. They’re making a boring character (Elrond) the center while turning a badass character (Gil-Galad) into a bore.
I don’t know what pressure they’re under from Bezos and I don’t want to underestimate it, but this has been a pretty poor story so far.
In fact, I will confidently compare the show runners of RoP to the Leon Rose regime. They are middling and unimpressive. They’ve done nothing to gain my confidence. But they haven’t fatally screwed up year and there is still a path ahead of them if they can find it.
That was pretty clever, KBA. Bravo.
I think training camp is just a week away. So we have some days to talk about incineration, ashes and Arcidiacono. 😀 First preseason game: Pistons, Oct 4, MSG.
Another big Tolkien fan here, having first read The Hobbit and LotR when in my early teens, and a few more times over the years. I also taught Fellowship to 12 graders for a number of years and discussed the films with them.
I’m totally avoiding the new series. From what I’ve read, it sounds pretty awful.
The LotR films were fine, though I had some issues with changes. Still, the extended editions were pretty fine and generally faithful to the books and Tolkien.
I couldn’t finish the 2nd Hobbit movie, so never got through those. Too much fx spectacle, too many ridiculous narrow escapes, etc. Way too much frosting on top of a thin cake…
Came to the forum, saw that the first 2 comments are by humper and skipped them (obviously) then landed on the 3rd comment until the word incineration. You guys are destroying a place I loved.
I’m the one that’s going to get banned here, for personally getting pissed at individuals, but this is totally fucked up.
deftly done hubie…seriously perfecto – you gotta blend your bickering…
weave some fucked up knick stuff in with some other fucked up stuff…that is the way to please the masses (of knickerblogger aficionados – and oh, are we a voracious bunch)…
well then, the reins are there for you to grab ahold of and help guide this unwieldy knicks’ sports fandom thing we do…
still remember a couple of years ago when al had just had enough…he used some kind of vodooo mind magic to steer us all in the general direction that he desired…
it was very cool to witness…
point being – hurry and get the heck out of the back seat and help grab ahold of the wheel…
i actually like that it seems we’ve been stuck in high gear all off season, with just a couple of weeks to go before we can start really digging deep in to the team…
oh, and thanks EB – all i wanna eat now are sausages, sausages for breakfast, sausages for lunch, sausages for dinner…
i need to score them good tiny link sausages though, i love how they just wrap themselves in to a delicious spiral…mmmmmmmmm…
peace is a lie, there is only passion 🙂
Is Jordan Poole a star in the making? Is he worth pursuing? I have to say i almost never watch the Warriors so i don’t have the eye test on him. The situation is the Warriors are very hesitant in giving him money (he’s extension eligible until Oct 17 and if not he’ll be RFA next summer) because i think each dolar paid means 4 dolars because of the luxury tax.
Just to chip in the absurd debate. For me, trading the 1st for Cam was the biggest mistake. IMHO, the 1st round picks retained most of its original value and we traded for a player that is not good. Thibs is right not to play him and just give him minutes depending on the availability of other players (especially given his lack of self-awareness). It is perfectly fine to see if he improves from practice and the limited minutes at games. He might still have some trade value (as we saw the Lakers interested) and we would be wise to get anything from him as soon as we can.
Who is the new guy with the penis avatar?
Darules, if you’re incensed with having to read terms like “hated,” “inexplicably stupid,” “incredibly annoying,” “overreacting,” “trolling,” “lazy and incapable,” “absurd,” and the like, come back Oct 4 as per Cyber’s recommendation and you can instead read these terms in relation to player minute allocation.
re: sausage…being the son and grandson of meatcutters/butcher’s…i love meat and my favorite thing is sausage…i used to get that job as a kid in the shop…i.e., load the meat in the grinder…thread the intestine on there and push it on through…my dad tossed me out for putting too much of the good cuts in the grinder…told me needed more fat…the brand that I always liked as a kid..if we didn’t make our own was the Farmer John links…in the white package with the little window on it with that smiling Farmer John icon…if you look closely it was like a 50/50 blend of fat to pork…those things reduced down to like a pinky size link after cooking but they tasted real good…
BTW, as I am now on my fourth account, for which I had to create a new email, I can confirm that if you delete one of your comments you will never be able to post again with that profile.
But can you now say criminal without being put in moderation? I’m about to find out
re: amazon LOTR …i agree with Hubie…so far…lukewarm…they fucked up the main heroine by making her kind of annoying…i think the IMdb is at 6.9 right now…which seems about right…it’s weird how accurate those IMdb ratings are once you get some critical mass on the number of reviewers…
on HOD..I am digging that so far but it seems like opposite of GOT on how rapidly they are pushing the story…seems a little too rushed..but the production level is high…acting is excellent…
I’m enjoying HOD more than I thought I would. The end of GOT just bummed me out so much I was skeptical but HOD has been enjoyable so far.
My only quibble is there is zero humor in it. GOT had some nice quips and funny musings with Peter Dinklage and a few other characters. HOD has zero of that so far.
I don’t mind the language, it’s the horrible obsession, mixed with the narcissism of small differences as KBA eloquently put it. I find it torturous and I stay away from these ppl irl as much as I can
Oh, I strongly disagree. It’s too easy for IMDb or Rotten Tomatoes to get review bombed by fanboys who object to shows that focus too much on women and/or people of color, and LOTR has both of that. The number of online hissy fits I’ve seen thrown about this show (which is not perfect, but which I have mostly enjoyed) is both astonishing and depressing. Review aggregator sites have literally had to shut down a few times of late just to slow the onslaught of these 0-star reviews, often made by people who have not actually watched the thing and are just offended/sexist/racist in principle.
oh, i get you pepper, you mean to start the series off…true…then again GOT had a lot of story to go through from the beginning…
you’ve probably read it, but this thing came from The World of Ice and Fire…GRRM wrote some different stories for that book (there were also other authors which was less good)…
he actually wrote it in form as a maester of the citadel (a little dry)…
i remember when i read it though the story seemed even more convoluted than the A Song of Ice and Fire stuff (the five books)…
Is DaRules an offshoot of Da Judge? (I’ve missed him and his Jimmer stories.)
Who is the new guy with the penis avatar?
Ron Jeremy?
Being a little blerdy(read: very lol) myself..there is no shame in my game- I am as much a fan of Tolkien(thanks to The Hobbit way back in elementary school) as I am of Martin’s A Song of Ice an Fire series. Weirdly enough though- for as excited about HoD and RoP as I was when they were announced, I just haven’t been motivated to watch these new on screen adaptations. ESPECIALLY after the way they ended Thrones. I have watched one episode of RoP with a friend though. I need another episode to really have an opinion on it.
And just for shits and giggles, C.S. Lewis’ Narnia series captivated me in elementary too, so I will pay attention to anything with Narnia stamped on it lol
Caught up on HOD last night, and I’m appreciative but still not passionate. Couldn’t figure out why. Now I know thanks to @Walker and KB. This:
And, to be sure, I’m as guilty of the narcissism of small differences as the next KB-er. I just like to remind myself every once in a while that we’re more alike than different. For example, I do not agree that we incinerated our pick, but I will defend to the death your right to believe it. Haha. Cheers to all.
super tough to adjust internal expectations of “things”, but…there it is…
i’ve noticed though, when i’m not so obsessed with story progression, i’m able to appreciate the work much more…
an annoying and whiny major protagonist though (like how it was described above for RoP) can be a serious issue though…
i still need to finish this season of The Boys…i passed on that Wheel of Time show…i may end up passing on this RoP thing too…
hmmmm, any particular preferences reference sausages KBA?
i still remember taking daughter to see this one when it first came out…i remember about halfway in to the movie and her looking up at me to say: there’s a lot of killing in this
oh yeah, i’m about to hear it from the mom later on…
Meanwhile, I am really not feeling House of the Dragon at all so far. Rather than rehash my concerns point by point, a link: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/house-of-the-dragon-review-1398441/
holy cow hubie, just read your post above – dang, that was pretty darn insightful stuff…wow, you absolutely nailed it…
i have a special request hubie – when you grow tired of “burning” ballerinas – the Midway Museum and then lunch at the Lion’s Share…
no doubt i’ll end up banging my head or some other body part on all that metal in the ship, and haven’t eaten at that restaurant yet, but i wanna step inside that boat and then go eat that burger they got at that spot 😛
Shame on you, Alan. The new LOTR is bloody awful, and it has nothing to do with the women or people of color. It’s just horribly written, like many shows. People seem to be conflating the issues. Sure, there are plenty of racist/sexist nerds out there, and that sucks. But I’m not at all a Tolkien fan, and I pretty objectively find it unwatchable. Maybe as a kids show it has value? Idk because my kids don’t like Tolkien either.
Last few yrs the only sausage i eat regularly is called Soutzouki (Soujouk).
French fries, eggs and Soutzouki tastes like anatolian heaven!
PSA: there is no obligation to announce when you skip somebody’s posts. You can just go right ahead and skip them.
ess-dog, I’m not saying there are not reasons to dislike the show beyond sexism and racism. I am saying specifically that sites like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes are being targeted and overwhelmed by those particular “fans” who are offended that their particular vision of the world is not being reflected in 100% of their entertainment. (See also all the Zach Snyder fans who attack every non-Snyder DC project.)
hi al, that thing you say about people’s “bias'” infecting their reviews – i didn’t even know this was such a thing until i read some of the stuff going on with how people responded to some of the Star Wars’ casting…
that’s kind of gross stuff…really gross stuff…i guess the blessing is – i don’t share space in their head…
it makes sense though that IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes capture that kind of crap too…telling that it can influence stuff with that large amount of numbers/”polling” making up the rating…
As for the Knicks, I’m ready to give Cam another chance if Thibs will. I think they clearly got him as a way to show RJ they “got his back.”
Yeah, there were some good players still there at 19 before Grimes (I would’ve liked Garuba or Christopher), but Cam *could* become more useful than any of them. Yet in order to get Cam minutes, we have to move on from Randle and Fournier, even if it costs us one of our protected picks.
But hey, maybe if we stay put, we will start the season poorly, fire Thibs, and then hire Becky Hammond? Dare to dream.
Haha. Thanks to KB I did order sausages this morning instead of bacon with my diner breakfast. Not sure if my cardiologist will thank or damn this board for that move.
FWIW my wife is from Hamburg, so we’ve had endless varieties of German wurst, and, whenever visiting there, I have gained a real appreciation for the work Pepper speaks of above. It’s an art. The best US versions I’ve tried have been from Schaller & Webber at 86th/2nd. But now I’m living in ATX — the land of hipster-cardiac-arrest — so I’m sure there will be some bespoke-handcrafted-locally-raised-grainfed-wagyu-massaged-small-batch-specialties that I need to seek out. Will report back from the ER 😉
you done stepped out in to the light darules – basketball/team wise – anything that interests yourself at the moment?
Yes, Alan, I have read all about that, and it’s depressing (I was jokingly chiding you btw… after all, it’s just a show.) But it’s also lame that Amazon is using this unfortunate issue as an opportunity to delete legitimate negative comments as well.
I used to skip nfh’s comments too but after he visited my country i felt obliged to read his narcissistnonsense!
;-ppp
@ Hubie — (unsolicited; disregard if nec.) — if you feel like the full detox, try a sound bath at the Integratron out by Joshua Tree. Or if you feel more like Griffin Mill, try Two Bunch Palms in Desert Hot Springs. I can highly recommend both.
PS — the 29Palms Inn is also worth a look.
my point on IMDb was purely that for that after watching like 50 to 60 shows since March 2020…I have found a strong correlation to a 8 plus rating to the ones I thought were good and that 7 to 8 was good but generally not as enjoyable as 8 plus and so on and right now LOTR is at 6.9 which is a D+…so that seems to jibe…a few slip through the cracks up or down but it is fairly consistent….
my favorite sausage right now is from Southside Market in Elgin TX (they have a few locations in TX) but ship nationwide…i get the “fresh” beef rope (nothing else)…they send it packed in dry ice…any party I bring that to…everyone loves it…to me it is where beef and candy come together as one…especially if you put some smoke on it..yum!
@ pepper — There’s a Southside 10 minutes from my house. I’m in. Thx for the tip.
The Knicks could have taken advantage of the new trade market with Julius Randle. Just sayin’.
Calling up other GMs to explain you need to pay a lot for a really good player so now is the time to get a bad player with a pretty big long term contract. Why aren’t we doing this? Oh it’s been reported that other teams view Randle as a negative asset? Well that doesn’t matter
To take full advantage of the new trade market, the Knicks would have had to have traded Randle following his all-nba 2021 season. Instead they decided to make him a franchise cornerstone, and are now left to hope that some other team wishes that they’d made that same mistake.
@KBA…de nada…also, I think HEB sells it in the meat section but if you have an actual SSM location by you…that is probably much better…enjoy!
“When you are worried about who the 14th or 15th best player on the team is more than keeping our best players happy, you may want to reconsider.”
The year is 2038. The Knicks are fresh off their 15th consecutive 37 win season. Leon Rose has just traded the 9th overall pick in the draft for a top-14 protected future pick. Some people on Knickerblogger say this was perhaps unwise, if not franchise crippling on its own.
Strat, using his 48th screen name, laughs off their concerns and laments their lack of patience. He reminds them it could be worse–the Knicks could’ve tanked, which might’ve taken five seasons to work!
My son LOVES Soutzoukakia (sic). For those not in the know, it’s Greek hamburger meat shaped like a sausage. Totally delicious and highly recommended. There is a restaurant in Thessaloniki called Diagonios that specializes in them and is a regional treasure.
I have watched three of the Rings of Power episodes and feel pretty meh about it, although I actually like the Galadriel character. I am all for inclusive casting and all the vitriol is total garbage but I can’t lie, it’s a little strange to see Middle Earth depicted so multiculturally.
Do you eat the sausage burger on something like a hot dog bun?
darules:TNFH posts::Donnie:sausage posts
Magnus Carlsen seems to be going through some kind of Bobby Fischer phase.
No buns. You just eat it like a sausage off a plate with red pepper flakes. They also have amazing gyro. Perfect refuel after climbing the White Tower. It was founded by two brothers apparently and one branch of the family has broken off and started another almost identical restaurant around the corner. A classic Greek tragedy.
https://foodwalkin.wordpress.com/tag/soutzoukakia/
I am here with all the Thessaloniki food recs people need.
TNFH,
Sooner or later you’ll figure out that a good portion of any team’s results is random noise. Things like exchanging trivial pick value one way or the other for longer term flexibility or bringing in our best player’s friend for the 15th spot on the roster are a drop in the ocean. They are barely worth thinking about, let alone focusing on. The results don’t even tell you much. The big decisions, like passing on Mitchell, are what matter.
Trading picks and ending up with Reddish is just not what YOU would have done because you love picks. So you are going to whine about it endlessly even though the value difference one way or the other was miniscule and the deal could still work to our advantage. It still wouldn’t shock me if Reddish becomes a terrific player. It’s more likely than Willy Hernangomez winning FIBA EuroBasket 2022 MVP. Then again, like I always preach with player development, patience is a virtue and I always liked Willy.
***The year is 2038. The Knicks are fresh off their 15th consecutive 37 win season.***
Maybe this is common knowledge, but it just occurred to me that Washington is the only team in the association that hasn’t been to a conference finals more recently than the Knicks have. (And Charlotte/New Orleans, but they haven’t even been fully in existence for that far back). Everybody else has. Including the Kings.
speaking of greek stuff, russell crowe’s accent in the new thor is interesting, took me a minute or twenty to figure out what he was trying to do…
now there is a gentleman whom would seem to be able to appreciate a hotdog/hamburger thing…
@geo…i watched thor this weekend…thought it was pretty good…they kind of went the deadpool route…tounge in cheek humor…seems like they had a good time making it and had a bunch of good cameos…i was starting to fade in ancitipation of the final battle but (spoiler alert) the thing with the kids was awesome..i had to google the cast to figure out that christian bale was that bad guy…
btw…i am liking she-hulk…you watch that yet?
i’ll just say this young, intrepid sir Noble (so excited for you to begin your next stage of the journey) – 2038, hell 2028 seems so very far away…at this stage i’m kind of going year to year, sometimes day to day…
so it is with me and the knicks now…since donnie conveyed just how incredibly meaningless the new york knickerbocker team is – i am much more at peace…
hope for the best, expect the worse, move forward…and, back work noobie 😛
i’ll just say this young, intrepid sir Noble (so excited for you to begin your next stage of the journey) – 2038, hell 2028 seems so very far away…at this stage i’m kind of going year to year, sometimes day to day…
so it is with me and the knicks now…since donnie conveyed just how incredibly meaningless the new york knickerbocker team is – i am much more at peace…much better to focus on all those kids going in and out of the house…
hope for the best, expect the worse, move forward…and, back to work noobie 😛
hey pepper…i really liked it because thor has turned in to this wonderfully vulnerable character…plus it’s cool to watch and enjoy equally with the middle child (11)…
okay, truth is, i was in to it a lot more than him…i may have even gotten a little dusty eyed at some points towards the end…still, it was fun…
a lot less crude than Deadpool (which we all also love)…
the scene with his mom in avenger’s endgame just floored me…
started She-Hulk but haven’t really given it a try yet…
oh shit, i double posted somehow – sorry, but i will not be deleting anything, thank you very much hubie 🙂
I don’t want to speak for TNFH here because he is quite good at doing that himself. But I’ll say this: I don’t care for Leon Rose’s approach to the draft at all. The punting of the picks, the converting of the picks into lesser future picks, the whole idea that there are only a small handful of players worth gambling on in a draft… I’m just not really feeling any of it.
I think it’s a wrong-headed way to approach the draft entirely. Leon is leaving value on the table making these paper clip trades. You don’t get a lot of opportunities to add young talent to your team, especially when you’re in that 37-win limbo that leaves you with a low lottery pick. We should have at least two more recently drafted 1RPs on our roster than we do.
I don’t really think it’s nitpicking to say that Leon Rose does not get very good value out of the NBA draft. That’s kind of like a pretty big part of the gig.
The Kings were there not long ago, right? 😛
Wait, is Strat trying to take some Phil Jackson based victory lap since Willy Hernangomez won the Eurobasket MVP? That’s incredible. Legendary commitment to the bit.
Never change, my man.
End of bench players are very important, i’m pretty sure last season was a disaster because we let Theo Pinson go! 😀
JK, agree and disagree. I think the FO has done a fantastic job picking in the draft. They’ve done a horrible job NOT picking in the draft.
They’re good at it. I sure wish they’d do it more often.
Watch your step, Cyber.
“The unsung hero of the Dallas Mavericks season: Theo Pinson”
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/2/8/22922582/the-unsung-hero-of-the-dallas-mavericks-season-theo-pinson
If we didn’t already have several young guys like Deuce, Sims, Cam, Keels, and Hunt who are not likely to play much barring injury, I would care more about using those last roster spots on fliers. But Svi and Archie are not coming here with any expectations of playing time, and are here to be well-compensated bodies in training camp and perhaps in regular season practices. It’s a completely reasonable use of those final roster spots, especially with the advent of two-way contracts.
Like Cyber, though, I wish we had just kept Theo Pinson.
Sooner or later you’ll figure out that a good portion of any team’s results is random noise. Things like exchanging trivial pick value one way or the other for longer term flexibility or bringing in our best player’s friend for the 15th spot on the roster are a drop in the ocean. They are barely worth thinking about, let alone focusing on. The results don’t even tell you much.
Trading picks and ending up with Reddish is just not what YOU would have done because you love picks. So you are going to whine about it endlessly even though the value difference one way or the other was miniscule and the deal could still work to our advantage.
sorry, i arrived a bit late to the ted talk. the theme is that posting repeatedly about marginal back of the rotation players on a sparsely populated basketball blog risks drowning in a sea of stochastic minutiae? and the author is mssr strat of knickerblogger dot net? i swear i clicked all the traffic light squares.
“sorry, i arrived a bit late to the ted talk. the theme is that posting repeatedly about marginal back of the rotation players on a sparsely populated basketball blog risks drowning in a sea of stochastic minutiae? and the author is mssr strat of knickerblogger dot net? i swear i clicked all the traffic light squares.”
ROTFLMFAO….
milo should have his own theme music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxOYEO6MNRM
(1) As far as I know Arcidiacono is on an Exhibit-10. Let’s save the criticism until after he makes the final roster. Knowing the system is useful for training camp and preseason.
(2) The 19th pick fiasco is the only egregious draft day move, and it may still end up higher than 19th. It’s a gamble, but there are many bad gambles.
(3) Walt Perrin is the guy you want making picks in the late 1st
(4) Cam Reddish sucks. We should not have made that trade.
(5) I disagree with TNFH on many points but his posts are required reading as far as I’m concerned.
(6) geo, it was a hot Italian sausage from the grocery store. Had it for dinner the night before, finished it for breakfast. Anytime I get sausage I eat it every meal until I run out. It’s a problem.
I thought Jon Gruden sucked, but then I discovered Josh McDaniels
The belichik coaching tree is littered with failure…mcdaniels is another (and this is his 2nd attempt) in a long line of losers….
Just googled the ’21 draft selections to remember the 19th pick “fiasco” and I’d say that exaggeration ain’t the exact word to describe kb’s reaction to what happened back then…
We talk about Epidaurus Drama Festival here…
Anytime I get sausage I eat it every meal until I run out. It’s a problem.
very good point EB, it really is a tremendously versatile entree…
for some reason i thought mike vrabel coached in new england (linebacker coach maybe)…or did he only play there…
vrabel never coached for NE…only played there…he coached lb’s at texans …i think under bill o’brien…who might possibly be the only one in the belichik tree that had a winning record (52-48 in the pros)…
Daboll is technically part of the Little Bill coaching tree, but he spent time with other teams in between. And so far he seems to know what he’s doing, including the fact that his post-game comments the last two weeks suggest he understands that this year’s Giants are a deeply flawed team that’s gonna struggle when they face better offensive teams.
Related: the whole “to tank or not to tank?” question feels different in the NFL versus the NBA. On the one hand, I want the Giants to get a high draft pick because they need a new QB. (Jones isn’t awful, but he also ain’t the solution.) On the other hand, the whole “establish a culture and demonstrate basic competence” seems to be more real in football. So… LarryDavidConsidersPalestinianChickenDotGif
CarBlogger update! The Bolt is arriving at the dealership tomorrow, allegedly. I’m told that, because we already ran numbers on my last visit, it should only take me an hour to get out of there, even though I’m financing. I’m skeptical on that front.
Yeah, these are the kinds of wins no one can get mad at. They cut all the veterans and it’s the beginning of the season. If the kids win, the kids win.
I think Hubert’s account wasn’t frozen, he wanted to feel like King Charles III and so he is now Hubert IV. 😀
Almost there, Alan, almost there! 😉
Go Alan. Details upon driving, please. I may be in the market for same. Cheers.
Alan, I just had the doors of my mumblemumble blown off by a Bolt this afternoon. So best of luck with your new street racer!
i think Ben Mcadoo started out 2 and 0…i would pump the brakes on Daboll until september is over…
Finally caught the Giants for the first time in years. I really want to see Kadarius Toney play more.
Fan of Daboll so far.
We should be taking about Aaron Judge more. I’m getting back into all the non-NYK sports again
Alan, positive thoughts!! Resist the aftersell, do not let them bush*you!
* old skool car dealer term for raising the cost at final moment,
HOD is good so far. I’ve read all the GoT books and the historical one he did on the Targaryens. He needs to finish the Ice and Fire series though. That way we can forget about the last two shitty seasons of GoT.
Bo, I was just gonna reach out to you. They gave me a number when I was there a few weeks ago, and gave me the paper they wrote it down on. So I hope they don’t try to screw me on that, and/or on the financing. But I am also between a rock and a hard place, because I need this car. (And I have already spent a good amount of money installing a charging station, so I need an electric car; no wimping out and going back to gas now.)
Any specific tips on what to look for, what to do, and what not to do? Feel free to email me if you’d prefer.
There is a new athletic article that the “double draft” when the draft age limit changes might happen in 2024. I think we only have our own first round pick in 2024 but may have some extra seconds that year.
“I’ll defend Z-Man on this bc his logic has been consistent. He has said Leon diminished the value of the 19th pick, and then he diminished it again by trading for Cam. He has never argued that wasn’t true, he’s just argued that we shouldn’t dwell on it in light of other moves that he thinks have been quite successful.
The disagreement is in our respective valuations of those other moves. We see nothing that makes us want to overlook that series of transactions, and he does. We see that series as emblematic of a GM with a low ceiling, he sees it as part of the learning curve.
On the other hand, it’s actually inconsistent for Noble to claim we incinerated the pick and then be upset that we squandered something valuable on Cam.”
Thanks Hubert, this is pretty much an accurate accounting of what I have tried to represent. I will just say that “dwelling on it” is fine with me, just not inflating its ramifications in the big scheme of things.
“There are more than a few of us here who hated the incineration trade the moment it was made, called it out for how inexplicably stupid it was, then were told we were incredibly annoying and overreacting to the whole thing, particularly taking issue with the word “incinerated.” And now the guy who told us we were overreacting is saying “yeah well what are you gonna do, the incinerated pick wasn’t worth much so you can’t blame Rose for unloading it for garbage.””
This is not what happened, or the very least it certainly does not characterize my part in the debate accurately. For my part, I always thought #19 was a mediocre pick and the trade-out, while dumb, only made it somewhat more mediocre. It was you and others who acted like that pick was some crown jewel and began rubbing the word “incinerated” into everyone’s faces ad nauseum until it became a KB institution. (Please don’t condescend and regurgitate some semantical bullshit about the meaning of “incinerated” in this context. I still think it was unnecessarily provocative at the time, and it’s disingenuous for anyone who used it to backtrack from it now.)
It’s pretty rich that TNFH now chooses to refer to the “incinerated” pick (multiple times I think) simply as a “first round pick” in making the case that when you give up a “first round pick” for Cam, it’s embarrassing not to play him. Yet I distinctly recall posting an article where Schlenk said that he considered the return “a first rounder” because it is more than 90% likely to convey as a first rounder; it was dismissed by guess who?
So I’ve been totally consistent. It was a shitty pick at #19 that was traded for an even shittier protected CHA pick that was traded for a shitty (but possibly salvageable) player who had no claim to a rotation spot but plenty of time to earn one.
While not suggesting that this is some sort of new era of good feelings between me and Hubert, I applaud him for at least giving an honest account of what my positions were and always have been, and that they are more consistent than what you suggested in your post. At least you and Hubert seem to agree that not playing Cam more minutes was no biggie.
We only have one pick in the 2024 draft so far. We’ll probably have zero after we trade it away for a protected 2029 pick.
Well yeah, Geo, I’m excited to see how things develop with the young guys, from Barrette to McBride,
I’m high on Grimes,
I’m worried Brunson is going to be good in a way I loved when I was younger (a smart player, maximizing his underdog level talent in an efficient way) but less so today (because he’s not an exciting finisher, or passer like a Steph, or a Ja, or a LaMelo, and I want to be amazed from time to time)
and I hope Randle is going to have a bounce back year and become a reasonably productive 4.
Mostly I hope for a season that will result in people being less obsessively apocalyptic, and a bit more analytical, and funny. Humor is mostly gone since the 19th pick decision was made, and that’s really crappy.
hmmmm darules, you’re making me wonder who brunson reminds me of…that stuff he did in college wasn’t just nothing…
he seems to have such a mature presence out on the court…
I’m definitely rooting for julius to get it together, some of that stuff last year was pretty immature…he has the tools to play basketball at a high level, an all-star level…
now that it’s not his team anymore – who’s team is it?
I don’t really care how other people on the site view the team – to each their own, never been a big fan of bickering though…
people in life just have different perspectives, I imagine the knicks stand in place of other things to rail out…
wow let’s see, players I’m most interested to see play, that’s a tough one…
probably either mitch – to see just how much an impact he can make around the rim…and quik…
the second half of last year, quik looked like he was really starting to see the court better, and his shot started falling…
grimes is interesting, I just don’t feel like I’ve watched him play enough to see how his game might stand up against the rest of the nba..
we shall see soon enough thank goodness 🙂
Or we can have 2 picks, depending on how our protected picks fall. The Dallas pick is almost a lock to convey in 2023, but the Washington one might convey in 2024, it is top14 protected in 2023 and top12 in 2024. They don’t tank, just like the Knicks, and so there’s a decent chance they’ll be one of the last lottery picks in the coming years. Detroit’s one is top18 protected in 2023 and 2024, so i don’t think that one will convey before 2025 (top13). Our 2RPs will be good ones, it’s Detroit’s pick and the most favorable between Cleveland and Utah.
That’s a good topic, Geo, i’ll try to bring it up on today’s thread to see if we can stay away from dissecting FO’s (small?) moves.
And looks like the double draft won’t be here anytime soon, after all.
Saw the same thing, Cyber. In a vacuum, I probably trust Woj over Shams, so that throws some cold water on our double draft dreams.