Knicks Morning News (2016.12.09)

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Phil Jackson needs to start acting like the boss
    (Friday, December 09, 2016 6:04:23 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Phil Jackson needs to start acting like the boss

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: LeBron, Cavs cruise to easy win at MSG
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 6:02:10 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: LeBron, Cavs cruise to easy win at MSG

  • [SNY Knicks] Can Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson fix their relationship?
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 7:22:15 PM)

    Can Phil Jackson and Carmelo Anthony repair their relationship after Phil called Carmelo a ball-hog?

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo Anthony posts about ego destroying relationships
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 4:26:14 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony’s recent post on Instagram alludes to ego destroying relationships.

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Go West, Young Men
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 3:45:29 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton look back at an awful game against the Cavs, and look ahead to a pivotal west coast road trip. Later, the guys once again discuss comments made by Phil Jackson, this time focusing on Carmelo Anthony

  • [SNY Knicks] It’s time for the Knicks to move Noah to the bench
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 1:30:06 PM)

    With the Knicks going 4-0 while Joakim Noah has been out, it is time to move the former All-Star center to the bench.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jackson wants Melo to be less of a ball-hog
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:45:09 AM)

    Knicks president Phil Jackson said Carmelo Anthony is still holding onto the ball longer than he should be and also spoke about the triangle offense and what he considers the unfair backlash against it.

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson’s the boss: It’s time he starts acting like one
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 3:44:15 PM)

    Let’s take Phil Jackson at his word. Let’s say he really does believe Carmelo Anthony spends too much time dribbling the basketball. Let’s say he really is concerned the offense tends to come to a screeching halt whenever Melo goes iso, and it affects the rest of the team badly. You know what? Jackson is…

  • [NYPost] Knicks know they need to gain ground on critical trip out west
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 3:12:18 PM)

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The Knicks couldn’t start talking about the West fast enough following Wednesday’s disgraceful outing against the Cavaliers. A 10-day, five-game Western trip looms, but it’s not as daunting as it sounds. Four of the five clubs are under .500. Removing the 19-3 Warriors, the other four clubs on the trip — Sacramento…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo-Phil dynamic takes another tense turn
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 1:03:49 PM)

    Is Carmelo Anthony trying to give Phil Jackson a taste of his own medicine? The Knicks star, whose ice-cold performance against the Cavaliers on Wednesday night (he finished with eight points) suspiciously coincided with Jackson’s critique of Anthony’s ball-stopping habits, posted two messages Thursday on Instagram that appear directed at the Zen Master. It’s more fodder…

  • [NYPost] What makes this the best Knicks stretch in years
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 12:41:56 PM)

    MSG Network analyst Wally Szczerbiak spoke with The Post’s Justin Terranova on Wednesday before the game against the Cavaliers and breaks down the start to the Knicks’ season. Q: How has Carmelo Anthony dealt with Kristaps Porzingis’ Garden love? A: Carmelo has been a tremendous mentor, and I think KP will tell you that. This…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose wouldn’t have let Knicks get bullied by LeBron
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:00:50 AM)

    When discussing Derrick Rose’s game, explosiveness is normally the first adjective used to compliment him. Toughness rarely is. Rose has a degree of basketball toughness — forged in one of the roughest street basketball neighborhoods on the South Side of Chicago. One of the parks he played in was nicknamed “Murder Park.’’ Rose’s toughness was…

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson’s arrogance has warranted end to Knicks presidency
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 2:32:50 PM)

    Phil Jackson can’t humbly accept his status as a struggling executive.

  • [NYDN] Paul on teaming with Wade, LeBron and Melo: Anything’s possible
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 6:06:24 AM)

    The so-called ‘Banana Boat crew’ have teased NBA fans about a super team for years.

  • [NYTimes] Carmelo Anthony Seems Perturbed by Phil Jackson’s Comments
    (Friday, December 09, 2016 3:20:03 AM)

    Anthony took to Twitter after Jackson criticized a facet of his play in an interview with CBS Sports Network.

  • [NYTimes] Michael Jordan Owns Right to His Name in Chinese Characters, Too, Court Rules
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:33:52 AM)

    The lawsuit that Mr. Jordan brought, against a company he accused of using his name, could set a precedent for foreign companies pursuing similar cases in China.

  • [NYTimes] Review: The Team That Put Israeli Basketball ‘On the Map’
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:02:27 PM)

    Dani Menkin’s documentary recounts this team’s unlikely run to the European Cup championship in 1977, a year in Israel’s history that was more fraught than usual.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony makes some points on social media
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 7:56:16 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony was smiling, but there was no mirth behind it.

  • 70 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.12.09)”

    No matter what, this stuff is weird…

    EGO is the only requirement to destroy any relationship. So, be a BiGGER person, skip the “E” and let it “GO” #StayMe7o

    It’s not a big deal, of course (if it doesn’t affect the on the court stuff, I really don’t care what shit players say), but talking through his issues over Instagram is weird.

    It’s the new way. What I appreciate with Melo is that he’s taken the “mellow” approach. We don’t know if he’s telling Phil to drop the E or if he’s saying he’s dropping the E, but both are good ideas. Because, he wants to let it GO.

    EGO is the only requirement to destroy any relationship. So, be a BiGGER person, skip the “E” and let it “GO” #StayMe7o

    This thing is (at least to me) weirdly reminiscent of the “Try to fit in, not out” LeBron tweet that was not (yeah, sure) directed to Kevin Love.

    We catch a little bit of a break on this road trip as there are no back to backs, all 5 games have a day off in between.

    Would be very disappointed if we don’t go 3-2, the 4 teams other than the Warriors all pretty much suck.

    Big road trip here-we’re out west, but the teams we’re playing generally aren’t that good. Sacto, Lakers, Suns, Warriors, and Denver. On paper at least we should have a legit shot in 4 of those games. Only the Lakers and the Warriors have winning records at home. As long as we at least go 2-3 we’ll be okay

    Yeah, I can’t remember the last time a West Coast trip was this undaunting.

    Which makes me fear that we’re all being way too overconfident.

    BC is jinxing us man. First he says we have a legitimate chance at beating Cleveland and now he’s calling a west coast trip undaunting. Smh.

    Which makes me fear that we’re all being way too overconfident.

    Well, I mean, if they lose, they lose. It still doesn’t change the fact that three of the five teams they’re playing are shitty, and then of the two remaining non-shitty teams, one of them is mediocre at best. Toss in the no back-to-backs and win, lose or draw, this is an easy trip. I don’t know how well the Knicks will do, of course, especially with Rose hurting and the Knicks not having a real third point guard, but it’s still an objectively easy trip.

    As I said a few days ago, 3-4 during this stretch (which started with Miami) would be good. So we should be content with 2-3, happy with 3-2, ecstatic with 4-1 and delirious if we sweep.

    I’d be happy with 3-2, but I dunno if I’d be content with 2-3. I really want them to leave this trip over .500.

    I’d be content with 2-3. We’ll be favored against the Suns, but that’s probably it.

    Also, a lot depends if Rose is healthy or not. Whatever you think about Rose, the team was not built to go without either him or Jennings. So if Rose misses a few of these games, then sure, 2-3 looks a whoooole lot better.

    Of all the Collison, Teague, Hill PG chatter I’d say that Rose has one thing in his favor. At his best he was better than any of those guys. Yes, he’s produced less well since his injuries. He’s got to show that he’s all the way back. This is an audition year for him. Phil bet on a long shot but it was a one year bet. He should not get an extension unless the team wins fifty games and pushes a playoff series to at least six games. (Obviously he can’t ride coat tails either). Rose has showed signs of dynamic talent. If he is the Derrick Rose of old, we go at least 3-2 on this trip. Otherwise, we are truly, as BC wrote, a mediocre team.

    If we win fifty, I can see the melo/noah/rose core staying and hoping for the continued improvement of our otherwise quite young roster. Otherwise, I hope Phil goes another direction starting with letting Rose go this summer. I personally am rooting for him though. I like his no nonsense attitude. I like how he’s nowhere near satisfied with the teams performance and isn’t afraid to get in guy’s faces. I LIKE his game. So, GO Knicks! Make the haters pay. All we got is what’s on our plate, folks!

    I don’t understand this Melo controversy at all. Jackson didn’t say anything that every Knicks and Nuggets fan on earth didn’t already know. Every coach that has ever had him has tried to get him to move the ball faster. They all failed. Melo is extremely talented on offense and everyone knows it. But for all his prowess, he can hurt a team by needlessly running off clock and then forcing a tougher shot than might have been available had he moved it.

    4-1 is the expectation for the Knicks. We are better than Sacramento, Phoenix, Los Angeles, and Denver. Denver will be tough because of the altitude but they’re not actually good. 4-1 dammit. Screw settling for 2-3 or 3-2.

    Brian, I admire the optimism. I’ve been told that my outlook is too bright. If we go 3-2 on this trip it’ll push the Knicks pace 4 games over my current win estimate of 43. I had them at 11-16 after this road trip, winning against the Kings and Nuggets but losing the rest.

    BTW, my unexpected wins were: @Chi, Atl, @Min, @Mia. The one unexpected loss was: Hou.

    We are better than Sacramento, Phoenix, Los Angeles, and Denver

    Not on the road we’re not

    I don’t know what the Knicks will do since it looks like Porzingis and Melo are in a shooting slump. Porzingis is doing his best Calderon impersonation behind the 3pt line with all his pump fakes.

    We all have to lower our expectations because if the Knicks are actually good what would we all complain about?

    too funny that any optimistic words from brian are treated with heavy doses of fear and trepidation…

    know your audience brian – feed us more doom and gloom…ie, realistic predictive analysis based on years and years of suffering and the pain that we’ve all endured 😉

    ugh, we’ve all been living in the ‘age of apocalypse’ when it comes to the knicks for far too many years…

    as an interesting aside – probably just to you and I and a few others – that marvel storyline (with some of the earliest ‘glossy’ printing on comics) is what got me hooked hard on comics back in the 90’s

    too funny that any optimistic words front brian are treated with heavy doses of fear and trepidation…

    know you’re audience brian – feed us more doom and gloom…ie, realistic predictive analysis based on years and years of suffering and the pain that we’ve all endured 😉

    I can only guess you’re too new around here and don’t know the Curse of the Cronin 🙂

    I can only guess you’re too new around here and don’t know the Curse of the Cronin 🙂

    that shit’s got me rolling, more so because – it actually sounds like a real thing…

    4 yrs/52 million for Eric Gordon is looking like an excellent deal so far. Really hopes he stays healthy. Rose was recruiting him to come to NY and I think he would have came had it not been for injury history. I wish contracts in NBA were like NFL. It would allow Gm’s to take more risks.

    I saw the last comment first and I was freaked out. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m sorry you have food poisoning, ptmilo, but I was afraid that something life-threatening had happened!

    Lol, no, sorry, I might have phrased that a little too harshly… It was just meant as a thank you for all the good posts ptmilo does here!

    I was just thinking about that one shot that Willy took in the blow out loss to the Cavs. It was a three pointer that he sunk with excellent form. If he can add that shot to his growing repertoire we will have a force de majeure on our team.

    I see Willy becoming kinda sorta a homeless man’s Marc Gasol, to borrow a terminology coined by Bill Simmons when he wasn’t an entitled d*ck yet.

    And I say that as a compliment, being that Gasol is one of the best 30 players in the league by my opinion.

    There are points in the last 24 hours I might taken Farfa up on his implied threat. I’ve had what I called food poisoning before but it turns out I was a whiny Knicks fan under Lenny Wilkins ignorant that Isiah and Kurt Rambis were lurking. FFS don’t get Isiah level food poisoning.

    “It happens,” Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek told USA TODAY Sports about these sorts of Knicks controversies. “That’s the understanding in New York, that things get blown up probably more than a comment here or a comment there, which is probably meaningless, turns into something big. So you roll with the punches.”

    Pretty much.

    Just a note. The spam filter is acting up, so some posts might be stuck for moderation until I clear them, which might be an issue for the game tonight as I won’t be home for most of the game. Well, let’s hope it isn’t an issue. 🙂

    @37 – It’s not Phil. He’s been doing this for decades. It’s the stupid media. This is what makes NY such a tough place to play.

    I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again and again, much of the troubles we have with sports teams in NY is the media. They act as a repellent. They are simply parasites that feed off of misery. It’s very rare that you’ll hear me compliment them. They are the slime of the earth, blood-sucking vermin.

    Whew. That felt good!

    Farfa : just kidding, or trying to. My sense of humor may well have evacuated down the pipes in the recent chaos.

    It’s not Phil or the media it’s a combination of both. Phil doesn’t get a pass just because the NY media likes to blow things out of proportion.

    He’s being paid fucking 12M/year. It’s his job to realize how his comments will be covered by the media and to realize that kind of shit isn’t going to fly in his current position.

    For fuck’s sake it’s not that hard to keep your mouth closed–if you think Melo is a ball hog go tell him at one of your dinners, don’t tell him through the media.

    Phil absolutely doesn’t get a pass for this, though ultimately it’s not a big deal.

    howdy z-man…nice article – kind of drives home the point folks were making yesterday that the chances of holiday wearing orange and blue are not looking to good as the year goes on and he continues to perform well…

    also makes me think that whomever mentioned phil not having a good strategy for when things work out with a player on the cheap – it’ll cost us a lot more later on (if we can keep him at all)…

    my condolences to the young man for getting cursed by his old man for making him a knicks fan…

    my condolences to the young man for getting cursed by his old man for making him a knicks fan

    Which kind of damn curse hit me here in Italy to root for our Bockers?

    For fuck’s sake it’s not that hard to keep your mouth closed–if you think Melo is a ball hog go tell him at one of your dinners, don’t tell him through the media.

    It’s not hard to realize that’s not even what he said. Seriously if any other GM in the league says their star player could perform in the same role as Jordan and Kobe this isn’t even a story and if it is it would be in some puff piece about the organizational belief they have in player X.

    The fact that Knicks fans want to sit around and cry to the high heavens about this is exactly why it’s a story, not because Phil said something wrong in answering a question specifically asked to him by Lisa Leslie about Melo’s role in the offense.

    buona notte farfa (heck looks like buon giorno now there)…hope your friday night was nice…

    i’ve been kinda wondering how many knicks fans there might be out there whom were either not born in new york or had never really lived in new york…

    you kind of expect teams like the heat, lakers, warriors, celtics, bulls or cavs (are there really any spurs fans outside of san antonio?) to pick up a lot of fans from other spots in the country or world – cuz they’ve actually been relevant in the last couple of decades…

    i gotta be honest, the thought came up because – reub and all his positivity had me seriously questioning if he was a native new yorker or had ever set foot in the empire state…no way can someone with ny ties be that darn positive – it’s just not possible…

    so yeah, how does a fellow from beautiful italia get hooked on a dysfunctional team thousands of kilometers away – was it danilo gallinari?

    I did the same thing to my son, poor kid. I have taken him to see a few games though, most notably the Steph Curry 54 point game where Felton blocked his shot to seal the win.

    It’s low on my list of reasons to be disappointed in Jax. But a seemingly dumb thing to do nonetheless. Who knows, maybe it tweaks Melo just enough to get him to pass more. And not in some stupid passive-aggressive way, like refusing to shoot good shots just to make a point.

    You can’t be the great coach that Phil was without being honest with players about what they have to do to get better. If he’d said that same thing to Melo in person, i think we all agree that he said it in a reasonable way and it was something Melo could learn from. Some of you expect him to not say that stuff publicly now that he works in NY. But I think that’s too much to expect. He’s a person who’s going to be honest and let the chips fall where they, no matter what or where his job is. I’m OK with that

    He’s being paid f??ing12M/year. It’s his job to realize how his comments will be covered by the media and to realize that kind of s!it isn’t going to fly in his current position.For f’s sake it’s not that hard to keep your mouth closed–if you think Melo is a ball hog go tell him at one of your dinners, don’t tell him through the media. Phil absolutely doesn’t get a pass for this, though ultimately it’s not a big deal.

    But what if Phil’s already talked ad nauseum to Melo about this in private? I think he is then justified to go public to put more pressure on him to try to change so long as Jax believes it’s very important to the success of the team. Kobe got the same treatment so it’s not like it’s unprecedented for Phil. The reality though is it’s gonna be tough for Melo to change even if he wants to because he’s played a certain way his whole career and that might be Melo’s position on this particular issue.

    Yeah, Danilo sealed the deal, but it was mostly the allure of the 90s teams. When I played basketball (I am actually a short man at 5’8″, but I already was 5’8″ and 150 pounds at 12 years old, which is something here in Italy) they taught me to play at PF/C, and I molded my play on the Oak model. No nonsense, lots of boards, grit and grind and shouting all the game (oh, and I was ahead of the times, since I actually hit some threes, at around a 35% clip). Those teams were the right teams to root for.

    I did the same thing to my son, poor kid

    as it should be z-man…never took the time to start my own family, but, have been blessed with some wonderful god kids – i try to do it sneaky like and buy em gear with knicks, giants and yanks logo stuff…

    …keep your mouth closed–if you think Melo is a ball hog go tell him at one of your dinners, don’t tell him through the media. Phil absolutely doesn’t get a pass for this, though ultimately it’s not a big deal.

    But what if Phil’s already talked ad nauseum to Melo about this in private? I think he is then justified to go public to put more pressure on him to try to change so long as Jax believes it’s very important to the success of the team. Kobe got the same treatment so it’s not like it’s unprecedented for Phil. The reality though is it’s gonna be tough for Melo to change even if he wants to because he’s played a certain way his whole career and that might be Melo’s position on this particular issue.

    Melo meeds to start winning bottom line. Everybody can get mad at Phil but he’s got 11 championships. He knows a thing or two about winning. Melo has never been a good leader.

    Well the fact that Melo said they hadn’t talked about it would suggest they hadn’t talked about it but who knows.

    Again, it’s not a big deal but there is no reason for him to have said it and nothing positive to be gained from saying it, so why did he say it?

    right on reub – one of the things which made me take that giant leap of faith to actually write some words down and hit “post comment” was the fact that i believe, as you age social interaction is key towards living healthier longer…seeing how there’s more miles behind the cart than in front of it – i’m taking that to heart…

    not an easy thing to open yourself to ridicule and scorn by writing your thoughts down (i just had a good laugh writing those words down – it’s true though) – i hope we have a chance to hear from many more knickerbloggers this season whom are lurking out there…

    hmmmmm, i don’t know farfa – 5’8″ don’t seem that short to me…at one time i think i was 5’10” – all these years roaming the earth seem to have beaten me down to about 5’7″ now…just another one of life’s not so subtle cruel jokes – you shrink as you age, you lose the hair on your head while hair on your ears begins to grow at such an alarming rate that your soon stuck with the trump comb-over if you don’t groom it weekly…

    ahhhhh – i’m ready for work to end and the game to begin…really hoping we beat sacramento tonight…i’m thinking we should in between thoughts of thinking we won’t…

    We should give all the nba players particiaption trophies at the end of the year because we are in a new age of sensitivity and positivity.

    Well the fact that Melo said they hadn’t talked about it would suggest they hadn’t talked about it but who knows. Again, it’s not a big deal but there is no reason for him to have said it and nothing positive to be gained from saying it, so why did he say it?

    I didn’t realize Melo said they hadn’t talked about it. Hard to believe this wouldn’t have been the subject at one of their many dinners! But if they hadn’t talked about it, then Phil is wrong. If they had – and Phil thinks it’s very important to the success of the team – then imo he was correct to go public because it puts more pressure on Melo to at least try to change. Reporters will ask Melo about it, fans will continue to boo him if he holds ball too long, and so on. Don’t we want Phil because of his background to do this?

    Knicks are third in the league in passes made and 16th in potential assists, and 12th in adjusted assists.

    Seems like they’re a pretty solid passing team despite lacking a premier passing point guard or traditional playmaker.

    Further, Melo and Drose — both attacked for over-dribbling, holding or making poor decisions — lead the team in offensive rtg +/-.

    I think on a per minute basis, and relative to roll, KOQ has been far and away the Knicks player playing the best. That’s not the same as best player.

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