Knicks Morning News (2016.12.08)

  • [NY Newsday] Phil Jackson criticizes Carmelo Anthony’s ball movement
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 12:25:24 AM)

    Add Carmelo Anthony to the list of All-Star players unhappy with things Phil Jackson said.

  • [NY Newsday] LeBron James leads Cavaliers’ rout of Knicks
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:59:00 PM)

    LeBron James can say he didn’t have any extra motivation when he took the Madison Square Garden court Wednesday night, but he appeared to be looking right in Phil Jackson’s direction after a few of his baskets.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose’s back injury sidelines him against Cavaliers
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:06:06 PM)

    Granted, it wasn’t the best time for Derrick Rose to miss his first game of the season, but after a scare early Wednesday, the Knicks will absolutely take it. Especially if it really is only one game.

  • [NY Newsday] LeBron James does not stay at Trump SoHo hotel with Cavaliers teammates
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:22:00 AM)

    For the first time in 14 years, LeBron James didn’t stay with his team on a road trip.

  • [NYPost] The one LeBron James play that proved he owned the Knicks
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:44:03 PM)

    The one play that symbolized an awful Wednesday night at the Garden came late in the first half, when LeBron James rumbled down the lane and every Knick seemed to shy away. King James roared in for a thunderous dunk, then stepped into the baseline seats, seemingly suggesting he owns the Garden. He certainly did…

  • [NYPost] LeBron dominates, Carmelo wilts as Phil Jackson’s Knicks get destroyed
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:42:31 PM)

    Give Knicks president Phil Jackson credit for this debacle, for his choice words riling up LeBron James and snapping Carmelo Anthony’s 12-day surge. In the end, Anthony, too, was riled up over Jackson. James would not answer any questions about Jackson before Wednesday’s showdown and did his talking — and perhaps glaring — on the…

  • [NYPost] MRI exam shows no major damage to Derrick Rose’s back
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:16:28 PM)

    Derrick Rose missed a regular-season game for the first time as a Knick Wednesday night, because of back spasms, and was sent to take an MRI exam to rule out any serious injury. The Knicks announced during their 126-94 blowout loss to the Cavaliers the MRI had come out clean, Rose’s back is structurally fine…

  • [NYPost] Unlike LeBron, Carmelo has to put up with yapping Phil Jackson
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:47:17 AM)

    It’s easy for LeBron James. He can get the last word with Phil Jackson without saying very much of anything. Oh, there were a few times Wednesday night when he shot a look in Jackson’s general direction while scoring 25 points and pushing the Cavaliers to a 126-94 throttling of the lifeless Knicks at Madison…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson interrupts Knicks’ high point to critique Carmelo
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:25:48 AM)

    Timing has not been Knicks president Phil Jackson’s strong suit since he arrived. With the Knicks moving three games over .500 for the first time since he took over and Carmelo Anthony turning into his old clutch self as he readied to face the mighty Cavaliers on Wednesday, Jackson decided it was time to nitpick…

  • [SNY Knicks] James, Cavaliers crush Knicks at Garden, 126-94
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:48:59 PM)

    LeBron James scored 25 points, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love also surpassed 20, and the Cleveland Cavaliers crushed the New York Knicks 126-94 on Wednesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose out against Cavs with sore back, considered day-to-day
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:21:54 PM)

    An MRI revealed that Derrick Rose has no structural damage and he is considered day-to-day with a back injury, reports ESPN New York’s Ian Begley. New York expects Rose to travel with the team to the West Coast.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s Game: Knicks vs. Cavaliers
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:35:04 PM)

    The Knicks host the defending NBA champion Cavaliers on Wednesday night at 8 p.m.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jackson wants Melo to be less of a ball-hog
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:30:09 PM)

    Knicks president Phil Jackson said Carmelo Anthony is still holding onto the ball longer than he should be and also spoke about the triangle offense and what he considers the unfair backlash against it.

  • [SNY Knicks] All-NBA Melo carrying Knicks over the .500 hump
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:00:08 PM)

    I have always chosen to appreciate great players for the sake of the game and, while Anthony has struggled at times on the defensive end, he’s been a pleasure to watch on the offensive end most nights.

  • [SNY Knicks] Can Knicks turn to D-League to bolster guard depth?
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:00:52 AM)

    As Derrick Rose sat out much of the second half of Tuesday night’s game against the Heat, it was easy to see just how thin the Knicks are spread at point guard, with only Brandon Jennings to turn to next.

  • [NYTimes] Cavaliers 126, Knicks 94: Cavaliers Roll to Victory, Ending Knicks’ Winning Streak
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 4:21:36 AM)

    The game was out of reach by the third quarter as the Knicks, who had won four straight and nine of their last 12, were essentially dealt a repeat of an opening-night rout.

  • [NYTimes] Michael Jordan Owns Right to Name in Chinese Characters, Too, Court Rules
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:33:52 AM)

    The lawsuit that Mr. Jordan brought, against a company he accused of using his name, could set a precedent for foreign companies pursuing similar cases in China.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: With Choice of Hotel, LeBron James Stays at the Forefront
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:59:58 PM)

    With Cleveland visiting the Knicks, James and a number of his teammates opted not to stay at the Trump SoHo in what amounted to a modest political protest.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson criticizing LeBron, Melo is not helping Knicks
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:50:18 PM)

    Phil Jackson tugged on Superman’s cape and then insulted him.

  • [NYDN] Knicks trounced by LeBron James and Cavaliers in 126-94 laugher
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:47:23 PM)

    As often is the case with LeBron James, it was only a matter of time and motivation.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony has ‘nothing to say’ about Phil Jackson drama
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:42:17 PM)

    A typically cordial postgame interview with Carmelo Anthony took a turn when — you guessed it — Phil Jackson was brought up.

  • [NYDN] Cavaliers attempt Water Bottle Challenge during game vs. Knicks
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 6:32:56 PM)

    The Knicks didn’t prove to be much of a challenge for the Cavaliers, but they had their hands full when it came to flipping a water bottle.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose out against Cavaliers with lower back pain
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:08:26 PM)

    Derrick Rose, who exited Tuesday’s win over the Heat, won’t play against the Cavaliers on Wednesday night.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson: Knicks star Carmelo Anthony holds ball too long
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:54:02 AM)

    The Knicks have been on a roll lately, so naturally Phil Jackson decides that now’s a good time to let the world know Melo’s a ball stopper.

  • [NYDN] Iman Shumpert lives it up in strip club with wife Teyana Taylor
    (Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:05:14 AM)

    Iman Shumpert and his wife are in love with a stripper.

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: LeBron, Cavs cruise to easy win at MSG
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 6:02:10 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: LeBron, Cavs cruise to easy win at MSG

  • [ESPN] Carmelo struggles, LeBron sizzles
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 2:10:28 AM)

    Carmelo struggles, LeBron sizzles

  • [ESPN] Melo annoyed, mum on Jackson’s ball hog remark
    (Thursday, December 08, 2016 12:56:20 AM)

    Melo annoyed, mum on Jackson’s ball hog remark

  • 155 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.12.08)”

    Well that wasn’t very pretty.

    Is it me or does the offense look like it’s being run too fast against the Cavs? I understand they’re a good defensive team, but it just looks jittery – like everyone’s rushing.

    Whatever – it wasn’t the offense, it was the god-awful defense.

    Anyway, at least we don’t have to hear how the Knicks are a better team without Rose today, if only because I can’t imagine a worse showing last night.

    Re: Phil – he just needs to stop the get off my lawn act. Just be a team president, make basketball moves and decisions, and stop pontificating. Yes you have 11 rings but literally no one cares at this point.

    Man, GS spanked the Clips by 17 in LA while shooting 23% from 3 point range.

    This season is kind of dumb.

    Zero novelties on the war front: good team beats bad team. Our hoops warriors tried hard, LeBron’s Cavs much better, season continues. 37 wins for the best .500 team ever.

    I am shocked – shocked! – that Theo returned only following a bad loss.

    50% chance of that with every Knicks game.

    37 wins for the best .500 team ever.

    how does a .500 team only win 37 games in an 82 game season again?

    We have to play better on back to backs but losing last night was to be expected. We’ll learn a lot about the Knicks during this West Coast trip.

    Isola made a funny comment that I think is salient. Unless Phil insults Boogie Cousins between now and Friday, the Knicks should be fine.

    Boogie, Wall and AD are in a similar boat. Even if they have career nights it wouldn’t be surprising if their team lost by 15.

    Certainly true in general, but it’s interesting to note that if Boogie had had a good game on Sunday, the Kings probably win that game. Those threes – those moronic, moronic threes!

    Shout out to ptmilo and Silky (The artist formerly known as Alecto) for the Italian politics references in last game’s thread.

    Theo : Knicks Ls = Headache : Getting shitfaced

    @9 yeah this was the worst kind of b2b. Travel b2b from just about the farthest eastern conference team while Drose got hurt and Lebron got to just chill and lay in wait.

    I predict that the Knicks will win out for the year except for losses to GSW and to Boston or ATL

    I really, really wish Phil would just STFU. I was happy when we hired him as GM (even though I found him insufferable when he coached the Lakers, sitting there with that dumb, smug smile on his face when a call didn’t go his way) but there is nothing positive to be gained by taking random potshots at players.

    (Also, FWIW, he comes across as pretty inarticulate for a supposedly highly intelligent Zen master, his comments are rambling and mostly incoherent. )

    On ESPN last night, Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy weighed in on the Lebron/Jackson imbroglio. Breen said, in substance, that even if Jackson had no malicious intent in using the word “posse”, he has offended someone and he should apologize unequivocally.

    Jeff Van Gundy (who has long tangled with “Big Chief Triangle”) was much more barbed. He said that Jackson’s words now were no different from his words over the last two decades, that Jackson has always said things designed to annoy/harass/offend and that the only difference now is that media is attacking him for it, rather than lauding Jackson for being “so good at playing head games.”

    It’s fascinating to think of how modern media would handle Jordan. He did so many super asshole-ish things that people just pretty much glossed over.

    Should Lebron or Maverick Carter apologize for trying to turn it into a race issue?

    It’s fascinating to think of how modern media would handle Jordan. He did so many super asshole-ish things that people just pretty much glossed over.

    Decades before, Joe DiMaggio was the same way, but those qualities were either ignored our outright celebrated.

    I couldn’t watch much of the game (which, given the outcome, was probably for the best). How’d Ron Baker look? The stat line isn’t great (particularly 1-4 from 3 for a guy meant to be a 3-and-D specialist).

    Should Lebron or Maverick Carter apologize for trying to turn it into a race issue?

    hope this is a joke

    Man, GS spanked the Clips by 17 in LA while shooting 23% from 3 point range.

    This season is kind of dumb.

    Watching Cleveland half-assedly embarrass the current 5th seed in the East (in a road game), followed by Golden State blowing away the 3rd seed in the West (in a road game) it was kind of hard to shake the feeling that not much of this season has any real relevance before the finals trilogy in June.

    JVG tearing into Phil is just another chapter in the epic saga of JVG national television diatribes

    I love the man

    I can only imagine how Hornacek must feel having phil breathe down his neck on a daily basis. Can’t wait til the “zen master” is gone.

    how does a .500 team only win 37 games in an 82 game season again?

    It gives contracts to 3 stars who consistently perform at below-star levels…

    Watching Cleveland half-assedly embarrass the current 5th seed in the East (in a road game), followed by Golden State blowing away the 3rd seed in the West (in a road game) it was kind of hard to shake the feeling that not much of this season has any real relevance before the finals trilogy in June.

    It’s a long season.

    What if PJax never shuts up and Melo demands a trade? Could that be his end game all along?

    That’s cold, Farfa

    I know but I call it as I see it. A step slow, not much athletic, willing to be good. I have hope for him but right now Ron is not NBA material.

    I really, really wish Phil would just STFU. I was happy when we hired him as GM (even though I found him insufferable when he coached the Lakers, sitting there with that dumb, smug smile on his face when a call didn’t go his way) but there is nothing positive to be gained by taking random potshots at players.

    First of all, if you read the quote in context it was 100% accurate. Secondly, Jackson has a history of using the media to convey a message to players sometimes and, “move the fucking ball, Melo” is a good message to send.

    And just maybe he has had some discussions with oh, maybe Boston and would like Melo to barge into his office and demand a trade……

    And also, Bleep, Jeff “the quitter” Van Gundy.

    He brown nosed Ewing for years to make his own position stronger and the instant Ewing slid down hill he jumped the sinking ship like the rat he always has been.

    He coached some pretty good players over the years and won precisely nothing. Of course, Big Chief Triangle has won 13 times……

    Melo and Phil have dinner together often. I don’t think Melo particularly likes Phil but any animosity between them will be exaggerated tenfold.

    Even if Melo did get truly, once and for all, fed up with Phil’s crap, I’m pretty sure he’d march into Guitar Jimmy’s office and demand that Phil get traded, and I’m pretty sure he’d get what he wanted.

    Yeah, Melo has a lot more job security than Phil. A lot more. Melo will be here until he retires or until we reach the heat-death of the universe, whichever comes first.

    Did anybody even read Phil’s entire quote?

    “He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played,” Jackson said. “That’s a perfect spot for him, to be in that isolated position on the weak side. Because it’s an overload offense and there’s a weak-side man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung.

    Carmelo, a lot of times, wants to hold the ball longer than — we have a rule, if you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold the ball for three, four, five seconds, then everybody comes to a stop. That is one of the things we work with. But he has adjusted to it, he knows what it can do and he’s willing to see its success.”

    How is this in any way a shot at Carmelo? He says that he can play a similar role in the offense for the Knicks as the GOAT and arguably the 2nd best SG ever, both of whom won rings which Phil witnessed first hand. Then he points out that Melo has a tendency to hold the ball, which I know for a fact 100% of this board agrees with, but that he’s adjusted and getting better at picking his spots. In what world is this a negative?

    Also how shitty are the ethics of journalism when ESPN and various other media outlets can run a headline insinuating Phil said Melo had ball hog tendencies when he never uses the term?

    Either way a complete distraction from the fact that last night was an example of how far off the pace the Knicks, Clippers and the rest of the league are when Cleveland or GSW are dialed in. Cleveland is so much better than New York when they’re focused and Jennings’ inability to get to the rim made life easy for them on defense as they just loaded up on Melo and KP without any concern of being punished elsewhere, happy to concede mid-range J after mid-range J to Jennings who didn’t or couldn’t get to the rim against their set defense.

    @32 you have it sir. Hornacek can’t say it. Phil can.

    Does it matter at all? No. If Melo wants to continue to be “a star” in this league then he has to play as best he can to be that. Melo wants to continue to be a star in this league. We will get what Melo is over the course of his contract.

    We will have more nights when we are not competing with equal or better talent. We might win a few if most things break right. Against a few of these teams everything has to break right.

    Phil and his diarrhea of the mouth. If he was coaching, I would be ok with the things he said about Melo because it’s true and has been a consistent critique of his game during his career. But..I don’t think think Phil should be saying those things to the media as team president. That stuff should be said directly to Melo in a coaching session. If Phil had decided to show the team some finer points of the triangle, alongside Hornacek, it would be fine to say that to Melo. I’m not sure the bad game Melo had was because it was a back to back, or because he was uninspired. There has been some chirping from Melo that feels anti-Phil for at least a year now. I just wonder if Phil was trying to be candid and transparent or if he’s purposely creating a rift so it would be easier to leave. He did make a point to say that Melo could thrive in the triangle, which is also true, but it doesn’t make his comments any less perplexing.

    What is perplexing about saying he can play like Jordan and Kobe? Can you explain how or why any basketball player would or should be offended by comments like that from a man that coached those 2 to a combined 11 rings?

    @ lavor
    That’s not the only thing that he said. And it’s not perplexing that those statements are true. It’s perplexing because he made those statements to the media when he’s the team prez and not the coach

    Yeah he said other things, but that’s not what this alleged dispute between him and Melo was about. He was specifically asked about this comment which is supposed to indicate that Phil think he’s some underachieving ball hog, which it didn’t. I also don’t get what him being team president has to do with this. He didn’t say much beyond Melo is good in isolation on the weak side when he has space and though he has a tendency to hold the rock, he’s getting better at it and realizing how he can be successful.

    Like, holy shit man, if this is going to get blown out of proportion then I really don’t know why we expect the Knicks to be forthcoming in any capacity with the media.

    so, it seems the consensus is that last night’s loss wasn’t really indicative of anything more than some tough scheduling and an opponent whom was clicking on all cylinders (watch it jr – seems cleveland might be warming up a spot on the bench for you)…

    just because it seems to be the bane of the knicks existence – our point guard situation:

    let’s say we do sign rose to an extension sometime in january/february (just becasue of our limited options for next year – i’m not sure is that’s a terrible move or the best we can hope for)…salary cap wise – what would that mean for jennings…

    i really like jennings a lot – especially as our backup point guard, not so sure he’s anything but an average to below average starting pg though…

    how much a year will jennings be worth? 8 million a year maybe – more?

    is there any way we can still keep him on the roster if we do end up extending rose?

    actually found a site wherein i can understand some of the numbers: spotrac…seems like 8 million would be a lot for a backup pg…

    Phil and his diarrhea of the mouth. If he was coaching, I would be ok with the things he said about Melo because it’s true and has been a consistent critique of his game during his career. But..I don’t think think Phil should be saying those things to the media as team president. That stuff should be said directly to Melo in a coaching session.

    Fair enough…. but Phil obviously thinks he should and he has a pretty good track record of motivating some players a lot better than Melo.

    And of course, I am guessing he has told Melo that to his face at practice or over dinner many times and is now taking it up a notch.

    Let’s not forget that once upon a time Phil said the roster was clumsily put together and he wouldn’t coach them. Now he’s playing his usual mind games in the media just like he did when he was a coach. Granted, he is putting together a roster that more closely aligns with his vision, but he’s not coaching. He doesn’t have the rapport with the players to say what he’s saying to the media. That’s my issue. I’m not saying that the recent comments aren’t true, just that he shouldn’t be making them to the media. Hornacek should. He’s who the team is following.

    It’s generally considered bad form to talk about your employee’s flaws or performance reviews to national media outlets, just like it’s generally considered bad form to do the same with regard to former employees

    If they extend Rose during the season I think they could only offer Jennings 120% of his current salary or the MLE. Both are around $6 million anyway. I could also be totally wrong.

    how does a .500 team only win 37 games in an 82 game season again?

    They’re ranked 20th in SRS and 23rd in EWL. When you’re 12-9 but have the point margin of a 9-12 team, you should expect regression more than you should expect anything else. You get that, right? Please tell me you’re smart enough to get this.

    1) It’s possible that the Knicks blow out a bunch of games and bring their EWL in line with their actual wins.
    2) It’s much more likely that they regress.

    This is a fucking fact, Frank.

    It’s generally considered bad form to talk about your employee’s flaws or performance reviews to national media outlets, just like it’s generally considered bad form to do the same with regard to former employees

    It’s bad to compare a star player on your team to Kobe and Jordan? Alright.

    The timing of of Phil’s comment about Melo was perfect! Remember when MSG fans very recently booed Melo when he held the ball too long? Phil’s comment serves to not let up and reinforce that. Why go public now? Because he’s hoping to enlist the continued aid of the fans in breaking Melo’s career-long habit which will be the equivalent of stopping smoking. The best way to prevent Melo from relapsing is IMMEDIATE feedback from the home fans. But Jax should shut up about players on opposing teams.

    Boogie, Wall and AD are in a similar boat.

    Boogie is hopelessly overrated. I’d trade him for Melo straight up, but they’re very similar players. Competent rebounder who occasionally goes off for 20 boards (mostly because of his incredibly high MPG numbers), slightly above-average efficiency on league-high volume. Good player, but his career caps out as a perennial conference semifinalist once he finds himself with a couple decent role players around him.

    Again, Wall is overrated but good. Lots of highlight reel plays, making his .553 TS% look superstar-ish to your brain. He’s not even close to the league’s best PGs, who score 10-20% more efficiently (which is a big deal when you’re taking 25 FGA/48. This is a league in which Paul, Harden and Curry all shoot above .600 TS%. There are only so many wins to go around.

    First about the game.

    I never thought they would win. I hoped they would, but never thought it. Even full strength and with CLE missing key players it would’ve been very tough if Lebron played. The Cavs and the Warriors are simply superior. They need their own league. Watching the Cavs last night it was apparent that the Knicks had no shot. This is no slight to the Knicks. The Cavs are just dominant and impressive. They convert turn-overs into points with ease. Their defense is amazing. Melo got off 9 shots and they double or triple teamed him as soon as the ball touched his hands. K-Love dominated KP. It was over at about the 5 minute mark in the first quarter.

    The Phil Jackson thing bothers me greatly. It’s not Phil that bothers me, it’s the media. I’m listening to Michael Kay yesterday on the way back from work and immediately thought to myself “He never even listened to the interview”. I did and these f’n blowhards are just talking out of their a-hole. If you listen to the interview, his response about Melo was to a direct question from Lisa Leslie which asked specifically if Melo was suited for the triangle. Jackson gave an honest answer and said that it required that the ball not stick in a hand for more than two seconds and mentioned that he has a tendency to hold onto it for 3-4-5 seconds and they were working on that.

    I could tell that Kay (specifically) didn’t listen to the interview because Phil was ADVOCATING that Melo play ISO ball. He noted that the triangle was designed to get the ball to a weak-side scorer to give them that advantage. It was the exact opposite of what Kay said. The holding on to the ball is not about involving other players, it’s about allowing the defense to adjust to the mismatch.

    Yeah, I think that Phil needs to be quiet because there aren’t too many people that understand basketball well enough to understand him. No other reason.

    @51 – ugh…there’s only 5 guys making over 20 million as point guards…rose being one of them…he’s played relatively well this season, exceeded my expectations so far…no way is he even remotely worth 20 plus million a year though…

    it’s starting to sound like a better bet to take our chances with a 12 to 15 million a year guy like george hill…or, maybe even jrue at up to 16 million a year…if rose would take 16 million a year – that would work too – but, i don’t see him accepting anything less than what noah just got if he signs with us…

    if jennings would take 6 million for 3 years – that contract would definitely be in our favor…

    Sheesh! Look, I don’t think anyone is suggesting that Phil be seen and not heard. No one here is saying his statements weren’t accurate. My perspective is that the HC should be making those statements, not the team president. I do see both sides of the coin. Unfortunately, Phil is wielding a double edged sword. Phil’s words can serve as the catalyst to make Melo play that Jordan/Kobe role, but it can also serve as the catalyst to a rift. Plain and simple- he’s not the coach. He’s not the guy who yells at them every day in practice, he’s not the guy who leads the troops into battle. Phil’s the Pentagon, if you will. You don’t see troops bypassing the leaders on the frontline to ask the Pentagon what they should do. That’s why Hornacek should be saying those things in the media.

    1) It’s possible that the Knicks blow out a bunch of games and bring their EWL in line with their actual wins.
    2) It’s much more likely that they regress.

    This is a fucking fact, Frank.

    Says “Probably” and “much more likely”. Then says its a fact. How sway?

    Boogie is hopelessly overrated. I’d trade him for Melo straight up

    Lol. Oh would you now? Im stunned!

    I could tell that Kay (specifically) didn’t listen to the interview because Phil was ADVOCATING that Melo play ISO ball. He noted that the triangle was designed to get the ball to a weak-side scorer to give them that advantage. It was the exact opposite of what Kay said. The holding on to the ball is not about involving other players, it’s about allowing the defense to adjust to the mismatch.

    All very true. I just think that Phil is too smart to be so candid and make a pointed criticism instead of a general criticism. A simple, “of course Melo can flourish in the triangle. It’s designed to take advantage of weak-side mismatches when the ball swings and we have one of the best scorers in the NBA to exploit that. But the ball can’t stick to any one player for more than 3 seconds early in the shot clock when we run a set play if we want to get optimal results” would have sufficed.

    Here goes: Phil said nothing wrong about Melo, but he’s operating as if this was mid-90’s Chicago, not 2016 New York with its tabloid-style reporting. And the average fan in the crowd at MSG is getting his news from Kay, not the source. But he’ll probably still agree with Phil.

    Phil is right, and he knows what the media will report he said. He wanted to get a message across (that he probably tried in other ways before). Message was slightly altered by the time it got to Melo, but I’m happy with it.

    Says “Probably” and “much more likely”. Then says its a fact. How sway?

    Wait, do you think that probability has no basis in objective truth? Are you really this fucking stupid?

    Let me switch it up so you can understand.

    A 27 can beat a AK in poker, right? But which outcome is more likely?

    It’s a fact that AK is a better poker hand than 27, yet you’re much less likely to win with 27.

    Just when I think you can’t say anything dumber, you do. It’s amazing.

    Yo Cock, can you please stop complaining about how everyone is “really this fucking stupid.” Very sick of reading about how much smarter you are than everyone else.

    -12+ year reader, occasional poster.

    SJK, how about we stop debating whether the fucking earth is flat, and then I’ll stop. Until then, deal with it.

    How can this board be a place for “statistical analysis” when its posters don’t seem to accept that probability is a real thing?

    A lot of Boogie’s bad habits are just ingrained in him now from playing for a franchise that makes the Knicks look like the Spurs. He’s a hell of a talent, but any team trading for him is making a bet on correcting habits he’s developed over years now.

    The best way to deal with the lamestream sports media is to ignore them as much as possible imho. Michael Kay knows nothing about basketball, but he does know how to get people to call into his radio show.

    hahahahaha

    you are the dumbass who gives the only two possible outcomes, then says this is a fact. It aint splitting atoms professor. No shit… there are only two outcomes. You just wrote it like an ass.

    i found him – his name’s jameel franklin and he plays for the Shanxi Zhongyu Brave Dragons…age 25 and he’s 6’5″ – played a little d-league ball, he’s averaging almost double digit assists so far this year in a very okay chinese league, still needs to cut down a bit on his turnovers – but, he’s tall…

    someone get clarence on the phone – this our man…

    if it’s not him, not rose – i think our starting point guard next year will end up being jeff teague…

    How can this board be a place for “statistical analysis” when its posters don’t seem to accept that probability is a real thing?

    But you are not posting real probability. Barely some numerology some guy thought it was OK. All these metrics are the eye test of probability, and they arent scientifically tested.

    Besides, it is not that hard to make your arguments without calling people ‘stupid’.

    Well, I usually just start skimming past your posts when the tone gets obnoxious. So if you want to perpetuate discussion on statistical analysis, use a tone people will be more inclined to engage with.

    The best moment of last nights game was Lebron and the cavs bench playing the water bottle game and Lebron accidentally throws it onto the court during a live play

    That and Billy burying a three for no apparent reason

    The best moment of last nights game was Lebron and the cavs bench playing the water bottle game and Lebron accidentally throws it onto the court during a live play

    “accidentally”

    I liked it when they cut it to single digits before the half! That was fun. But yeah, not a lot more fun things in that game.

    BC, was I right about Jennings? Assuming we hit the cap before the offseason (by extending Rose) we can only offer him ~$6m?

    You’re right. We were discussing that the other day. LP thinks that he’ll be willing to take the MLE. I think Jennings is more likely than others to take it, just because he really seems to like playing here, but I have doubts that he would turn down an offer for more than the MLE elsewhere. This was his pillow contract to prove he was back and now that he’s proven it, it seems hard to believe he’ll stick around for the same money. But he does love playing here.

    @81

    Yes, the Knicks can use non-Bird rights on him to give him a 20% increase on this year’s salary, but other than that their only avenue to pay him more would be to give him the MLE, which from what I’ve read should start around $8m/yr.

    how does a .500 team only win 37 games in an 82 game season again?

    They’re ranked 20th in SRS and 23rd in EWL. When you’re 12-9 but have the point margin of a 9-12 team, you should expect regression more than you should expect anything else. You get that, right? Please tell me you’re smart enough to get this.

    1) It’s possible that the Knicks blow out a bunch of games and bring their EWL in line with their actual wins.
    2) It’s much more likely that they regress.

    This is a fucking fact, Frank.

    Well- if you want an actual fact, a .500 team will win 41 games in an 82 game season.
    I mean literally, that’s a mathematical fact.

    so if you or Theo think they’ll win 37 games in an 82 game season (ie. 37-45), that’s not a .500 team. It’s a 0.451 team.

    But thanks for using your statistics and making yourself look a little silly while talking down to me.

    Yes, the Knicks can use non-Bird rights on him to give him a 20% increase on this year’s salary, but other than that their only avenue to pay him more would be to give him the MLE, which from what I’ve read should start around $8m/yr.

    If we don’t re-sign or extend Rose, wouldn’t we be looking at just the room exception instead of the MLE? Since the room exception would be 4-5m lower than the MLE, doesn’t that create a bit of added incentive to re-sign or extend Rose versus signing Hill, for example, so we would have more money to then sign Jennings or whoever using the larger MLE versus room exception?

    Correct. That’s why I said the other day in regards to extending Rose that if your interest is locking in this specific team, then extending Rose was the way to go.

    Got it, thanks guys. With that in mind, anyone who advocates for extending Rose really needs to think about whether or not this team (12-10, 9-13 pythag, getting older every day) is what they want to lock into for the next 4 years or so. You can be pleasantly surprised with how they’ve played so far while also acknowledging it’s an objectively low-ceiling group. There can be reasonable disagreements about how Rose has played so far, but does anyone really think it’s a wise move to make him one of the 10-15 highest paid players in the NBA? I mean you’d have to think that literally every metric out there is unequivocally useless to think that’s a good idea. We’d be setting ourselves up to be pretty empty handed when the end of the CLE/GSW era finally hits.

    You know I’m on board with you in general in regards to sticking with this team vs. rebuilding, but I think they’re just too far gone when it comes to their decision to not rebuild. So if they’re stuck with this basic team either way, it might make more sense to at least lock in both of your point guards (and Holiday, as well).

    The issue, though, as we also discussed earlier, is that Melo’s contract ends earlier than the others, so they’d have to extend him, as well and…well…you know.

    Ron Baker got to finally play a few minutes. To me he looked controlled, steady, with a good outside shot. He’s strong and shouldn’t get pushed around either. What did you guys think about him?

    If we don’t re-sign or extend Rose, wouldn’t we be looking at just the room exception instead of the MLE? Since the room exception would be 4-5m lower than the MLE, doesn’t that create a bit of added incentive to re-sign or extend Rose versus signing Hill, for example, so we would have more money to then sign Jennings or whoever using the larger MLE versus room exception?

    If we renounce Rose we’d have around $16m of actual cap space if we retain Jennings’ hold. If we renounce both we’d have $22m, and if we renounce Baker and Vujacic too we’d have around $24m.

    @87

    Idk it really depends on what you perceive the alternative to be. At this point I’d pass on bringing Rose back, but I’m interested to see how he finishes the year at since he’s played better over the last 10-15 games than I expected.

    Really, my thing with Rose or anybody we sign is just don’t want to give them anything beyond 3 years since they can then expire the same time as Noah and Lee. So, Rose or not, I’m not really interested in signing any of the PGs, bar Chris Paul, for longer than that amount, with obvious caveats like getting an awesome discount.

    More important in terms of team building than whether to retain Rose and “lock in” this team is how we use our first round draft choice this year. I want either one of the numerous big PGs or a wing. I’m hoping that OG Anunoby drops a bit after his high ankle sprain which should keep him out for awhile.

    I seriously doubt Jennings is taking the MLE when he could almost certainly get something like a 3/30 contract from someone

    You know I’m on board with you in general in regards to sticking with this team vs. rebuilding, but I think they’re just too far gone when it comes to their decision to not rebuild.

    Oh yeah we don’t have the option of rebuilding anymore (unless some sucker wants to totally bail us out like the Dodgers did for the Red Sox a few years back), but I’m talking about trying to win with this exact team rather than trying to change it up.

    Just for example, I caught a lot of flack the other day for saying I think Collison is a better player than Rose…but right now Collison has a 60% TS (59% in 2200+ minutes last season), is around the same age, and would almost certainly cost less. My point is that since we have to “win now,” is there ANY reason to believe Rose, especially at his price, gives us the best chance to do so? Most teams view 45 wins or so (which seems optimistic for this group) as a reason to shake things up. What makes this 38-45 win crew the exception? I’m not trying to be snarky, I really want to know why people who advocate extending Rose feel that way.

    so, little question that jennings is a keeper…

    so, the projected cap next year should be around 102 million or so…coincidentally what our current salary cap is…we lose rose’s 21 million hit, add jennings at an extra 3 million…keep sasha and baker at around 1 million (plus free subway tokens all year)…

    so, we should have around 17 million or so to pay a point guard and figure out a way to keep holiday…if we pay holiday at around 3 million – that gives us about 14 million to spend on a starting point guard for 2017?

    14 million is about what jrue will get…teague and hill maybe about 12 million a year…still kinda seems like teague will be a our starting point guard next year, unless we break down and pay rose 18 to 22 million a year (no way is he worth 25 million though)…

    collison at about 8 to 10 million a year versus rose at whatever ungodly price he’ll command – i’d definitely go with collison…

    but, is darren collison a better stating point guard than jennings?

    14 million is about what jrue will get…teague and hill maybe about 12 million a year…still kinda seems like teague will be a our starting point guard next year, unless we break down and pay rose 18 to 22 million a year (no way is he worth 25 million though)…

    I think Hill is getting the max assuming he comes back and keeps up what he was doing to start the season. Dude was absolutely crushing it.

    There’s no fucking rational scenario where Rose, Noah or Melo are key parts of a Knicks team that can legitimately contend for a ring. That should be the basis for planning a better future.

    Now, if the goal is to have ‘names’ on the roster and be slightly better than the worst 5 teams in the NBA, by all means give a hefty contract to Rose or any of them.

    From the reports that have come out, the non taxpayer MLE will start at around $8MM. Jennings still can’t shoot at all, so I don’t know that he’d be getting much more than the MLE, especially with cap room being a little tighter.

    Re: Collison – I’d be open to Collison + Jennings to slide into that $25MM slot, but it’s hard to imagine us competing with the big boys with that PG combo unfortunately.

    Ultimately maybe the best we can hope for is to clear out as much cap space as possible to sign Jrue Holiday. I’m on record as hoping that CP3 comes, but now that the over 35 rule sounds like it’s gone, the pay cut he’d have to take to come here would be enormous.

    I’m on the fence re: whether I’d want Rose extended or Holiday signed as FA, since the latter would almost certainly be a 4 year deal as opposed to a 3 year Rose extension. And Holiday is just as injury prone (but a far superior defender). But maybe Jrue would want to come here to play with his brother.

    Dennis Schroder is getting $16m/yr. There is no fucking world where Teague, Holiday and Hill make less than that.

    We’re not competing with the big boys for the next few years unless Porzingis becomes one of the 3-4 best players in the NBA or we get stupendously lucky in the draft/with some cheap FAs

    I like Jennings off the bench. He’s better than average as a back-up but below average as a starter. He really creates productive chaos on a second unit where he’s more able to freelance and matches up better against opposing teams’ backups. I know he likes playing for Knicks, but would second string and 4 years@8m/year be enough? Maybe. If I were Phil, I’d fax Riley an offer to trade Rose/Kuz/2nd round pick for Dragic/Haslem. Dragic would make 17m next season and we’d then be able to offer Jennings 10m. Like I mentioned before, 31yo Dragic doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for Miami when Bosh isn’t playing and I’m not sure teams would offer much for Dragic at his age. Extra cap might be more attractive to Riley.

    If I were Phil, I’d fax Riley an offer to trade Rose/Kuz/2nd round pick for Dragic/Haslem. Dragic would make 17m next season and we’d then be able to offer Jennings 10m.

    That would be interesting.

    I seriously doubt Jennings is taking the MLE when he could almost certainly get something like a 3/30 contract from someone

    That’s a great contract for Jennings, even on the Knicks. If Phil were to sign him at that rate with the idea he’d be a starter, that’s a great value for him- especially since he has such great chemistry with KP.
    Question:
    Considering the way he’s trending, does anyone here think Holiday can become a younger Courtney Lee? Maybe even by the end of the season? If that happens, Phil might actually have some reasonable trade options.

    Yeah, Hill had a good 11 games but he misses as many games as Noah and is just as old.

    When comparing Collison to Rose ask yourself what Collison has ever won? It’s the same with DRed and Phil.

    Collison has been to the second round of the playoffs as many times as Rose, but Rose went to the third round once. Not counting Sasha, Courtney Lee is the only Knick who has even played in an NBA Finals game.

    Dennis Schroder is getting $16m/yr. There is no fucking world where Teague, Holiday and Hill make less than that.

    that’s sounds troublesome – but true…

    so, is the reason for the big salary skew on point guards in the league just a result of looking at contacts/salaries under the old cap (UFA’s to be) and comparing them with guys like schroder getting paid by the new cap?

    and, does 14 million to spend on a starting point guard for 2017/2018 sound about right?

    if, so – yeah – some kind of trade may be our best option…however, my faith in phil making a good trade in favor of the knicks is pretty low…

    has phil really made us any favorable trades?

    Considering the way he’s trending, does anyone here think Holiday can become a younger Courtney Lee? Maybe even by the end of the season? If that happens, Phil might actually have some reasonable trade options.

    In terms of total value? Sure. Bit of a different skillset, but we should try to trade Lee and his dumbass contract the first chance we get.

    has phil really made us any favorable trades?

    Billy was acquired by trade. So yes, that’s the one. 🙂

    Seriously, though, he also got good value for Prigs.

    has phil really made us any favorable trades?

    Willy was acquired by trade.

    good point – can we promote clarence to gm…

    bring in a starting point guard via trade, doesn’t seem like an easy thing – and, he sure screwed the pooch on calderon…

    I like Clarence in his current spot, picking up good Euros for the next GM. We don’t need to Peter Principle him. 🙂

    Barring another injury I cant imagine that Jrue Holiday wont get near max money. I mean look at Bradley Beal, Nicolas Batum. Especially with a weak free agency class. Really Why does anyone think players are willing to take less money to come to NY. Can we just please stop. We live in a world where Evan Turner is making 72 million. When Free agency comes around GM’s get nervous, fans and owners become irrational and they always end up overpaying. Look at the contracts of Mozgov, Crabbe, and Bazemore. 14 million for Teague? The minimum will start at 20 million.

    @64, 66, 71 – Thanks for the feedback about the interview. I knew you guys were a lot smarter than the bozos on the air. Even when you’re dead wrong, you make good arguments 😉

    Yeah, I agree that in this media circus environment Phil should keep his trap shut. But it’s sad. That interview was awesome because he went into some depth about the mechanics and requirements of the triangle. That’s the kind of stuff I eat up. But when he does it, the morons ruin it all for those of us who care and understand.

    Barring another injury I cant imagine that Jrue Holiday wont get near max money. I mean look at Bradley Beal, Nicolas Batum. Especially with a weak free agency class. Really Why does anyone think players are willing to take less money to come to NY. Can we just please stop. We live in a world where Evan Turner is making 72 million. When Free agency comes around GM’s get nervous, fans and owners become irrational and they always end up overpaying. Look at the contracts of Mozgov, Crabbe, and Bazemore. 14 million for Teague? The minimum will start at 20 million.

    Players in general don’t leave money, true. For instance, Derrick Rose sure as fuck isn’t giving the Knicks the slightest discount. However, there are times when players take less money to go places they want to play. David West knocked 75% off of his salary to chase a ring with the Spurs. Dude opted out to take that paycut! And Jennings seems to be one of those rare players who really, really likes playing for the New York team. So if Jennings’ market is 3 years/$30 million, I could see him taking 3 years/$24 million from the Knicks if he knew that they couldn’t give him any more. Now, if someone offered, say, 3 years/$36 million, then he’d be gone.

    But maybe Jrue would want to come here to play with his brother.

    I think it’s more likely Justin joins Jrue in New Orleans. Given his injury history, Jrue will find that 5th year very attractive. Would he have enough negotiating clout to get Justin a nice contract as well (higher than our potential EB deal) if NO mgmt knows Jrue won’t walk away from 5-year deal?

    @112
    I don’t disagree with you on Jennings. He’s found a good fit in NY and he likes it here. In respects to David West He was at a different point in his career. Many have gone the David West route but its usually for well respected championship caliber organizations. Younger players like Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague are going to opt for the financial security.

    I think D.Rose would be more likely to to give the knicks a discount because he likes it here too. I dont think he would want to bounce around and play for a loosing organization. But when I say discount Im talking maybe a few million annually.

    He’s definately not going to take below What Evan Turner is making. Collison would be the cheaper option, but personally I like D.Rose better. Collison doesnt move the needle at all. We seen him a few night ago he wasnt at all impressive. Rose scored on him at will.

    you’re right Go Ny – taken in it’s entirety – not that bad an interview at all…all i had initially caught on nba tv was the lebron bullshit…

    watching the whole thing – not too bad a performance, pretty informative actually…probably just a combination of the cuervo gold and fine columbian getting me a little too fired up about some stupid shit…

    yeah, the whole smug thing rubs me a bit the wrong way – but, i’m sure there are more than a few folks whom feel the same about me…

    shoot, maybe the positive is – phil’s learned his lesson and we won’t hear much from him the rest of the season…

    so knicklifer…you thinking we sign rose to an extension (how much – or more aptly, how low would he be willing to go?) – and, just ride this party train out for the next few years to see what happens…

    while also acknowledging it’s an objectively low-ceiling group

    Doesn’t this more or less rely on the growth of the Unicorn and Billy and Holiday etc?

    Doesn’t this more or less rely on the growth of the Unicorn and Billy and Holiday etc?

    Holiday will be 28 next year and it’s very likely he won’t be on the Knicks.

    @115 –

    watching the whole thing – not too bad a performance, pretty informative actually…probably just a combination of the cuervo gold and fine columbian getting me a little too fired up about some stupid shit…

    Prop 64 kicked in already?

    Right now I really cant say for much. If this team continues to play well I think its a possibility. I think the extension depends on playoff performance too. I dont know when the deadline is to an extension agreement. But if this team, in its first year together makes it to the 2nd round of playoffs. You would almost have to assume Rose is back for close to the full 25 million. Maybe he leaves a few million on the table to give the knicks abilty to sign other players. Maybe.

    This doesnt reflect however what I believe what they should do. This is just how i anticipate things may play out.

    My stance is Carmelo should have been traded last season. I really felt Phil shouldn’t have resigned him at all. And there should have been a complete rebuild. But thats another can of worms thats been heavily debated already.

    prop 64 – hummmm, whatever…been going strong on prop 215 for many many many (i forgot – how many many’s was that) years now…

    definitely happy for prop 64 though – keep some folks out of jail (police can no longer search your car on a routine traffic stop just ‘cuz they smell something funny in your car’) whom don’t need to be there, rake in bunches of tax revenue like colorado, washington and some other states – and, most importantly start minimizing the stigma associated with the use of cannibis…

    i’m not so hopeful it’s getting removed from the federal schedule 1 list any time soon – but, i think some states are taking a step in the right direction…

    the recreational sale doesn’t actually go in to effect until 2018…concerning its public use – same thing as alcohol – no public consumption…

    Re: Justin Holiday

    It’s very hard to give Phil credit for finding diamonds in the rough when he makes absolutely no contingency plan for what to do if they actually work out. Holiday will probably not be on the Knicks next year.

    Melo reciprocated ball hog remark with less than ten FGA

    nice 2 + 2 richmond…didn’t connect that til you actually said it – hmmm coincidence – probably not…

    er, you ignored my entire point. If they wanted Holiday and thought he’d be good (totally possible), why didn’t they extend him at a cheap rate? I will repeat, he is almost certain to be in a different uniform next year if he keeps up his solid play. He will be an unrestricted free agent. All the good Justin Holiday does for the New York Knicks will likely be during the 2016-2016 season.

    he is almost certain to be in a different uniform next year if he keeps up his solid play.

    But the same could have been said about Lance – both about same age, shooting about 40% from 3, above average defenders. I wonder if Lance leaped at Knick offer because he knew he had foot problems (plantar) and feared he might fail another team’s physical. Did Knicks require he have a physical before re-signing him?

    The best way to deal with the lamestream sports media is to ignore them as much as possible imho. Michael Kay knows nothing about basketball, but he does know how to get people to call into his radio show.

    Bingo!

    The same isn’t true of Lance because we had cap space going into that offseason. That won’t be true unless we renounce Rose this offseason, which I’m all for, but it seems unlikely. To put it simply, there doesn’t seem to be a realistic way to bring back both Rose and Holiday. I’d love to ditch Rose and play ball with that cap space but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

    One of my biggest gripes with Phil has always been that he doesn’t think two or three steps ahead like the other good general managers do. If he had signed Lance to a long-term cheap extension then I would Be more likely to believe that he actually saw something as opposed to being surprised by his development. Same thing with Justin holiday. It’s great that he asked for holiday in trade, but he did have Room to extend him a cheap rateand didn’t do it. He easily could have given Noah 16.5 million a year instead of 18 million a year and given the other million plus to holiday.

    Phil seems to value future cap Space more than getting players in on longer deals. To me that tells me that he still thinks that he and the New York City market are selling points. Contrast that with Morey and the 76ers who put a premium on getting long-term low price contract.

    Phil seems to value future cap Space more than getting players in on longer deals. To me that tells me that he still thinks that he and the New York City market are selling points

    That is Phil to a tee. In strictly PR terms, it is smart, since he can always say, “But wait until you see what I do with the cap space next year!”

    The same isn’t true of Lance because we had cap space going into that offseason. That won’t be true unless we renounce Rose this offseason, which I’m all for, but it seems unlikely. To put it simply, there doesn’t seem to be a realistic way to bring back both Rose and Holiday. I’d love to ditch Rose and play ball with that cap space but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

    The Knicks have Early Bird Rights on Holiday, the same as they had on Lance, so is Holiday seriously going to beat the MLE on the open market? The MLE is $8 million. Jennings can beat $8 million, but Holiday? I think they can sign Holiday if they want to. An interesting question is whether they should even want him at that price. I guess it goes back with the whole “if you’re locking the whole team in, might as well lock him in, too” angle.

    Oh, and by the way, the extension deadline is the last day of February, so any extension would have to be before the playoffs.

    Contrast that with Morey and the 76ers who put a premium on getting long-term low price contract.

    Yeah, Ryan Anderson for 4 years, $80m screams long-term low price. So does Eric Gordon at 4 years, $54m. Philly also isn’t trying to be good and what value in free agency have they landed for good players? Gerald Henderson? Legendary former Knick Sergio Rodriguez?

    Also there was interest in Lance from other teams (Minnesota, LAC) and it was reported he turned down more lucrative offers to return to the Knicks.

    It’s also bullshit to assume players are just going to take these cheap, team friendly extensions because people on KB decided they’d be great value contracts for the Knicks. These guys have agents who all know that there’s surplus cap space available on the market. They’re not fucking stupid and going to jump at an extra $1m when they know if they play well wherever they are, but especially on a stage like MSG with the Knicks, they can cash in big at a time the cap is jumping to record highs.

    Geo, Phil has added Rose, Holiday, Willy and, I believe O’Quinn through trades.

    Another scenario that I can envision is signing Jennings and euro Teodosic, if Rose leaves. Teodosic can play.If we did that we could possibly gain $10 million in cap space.

    howdy reub – yeah, i had forgot about o’quinn…i just looked up all of phil’s transactions on basketball-reference.com…

    man, you all are a tough crew and make it super challenging to just randomly talk out my ass – which seems to be a skill i’ve honed and perfected over many years…i need to git gud on these knickerbocker basketball factoids…

    Geo you’re ahead of many others who post on here because:

    1) You’re a genuine fan
    2) You’re sane.

    what!!! reub bringing a little heat…nice…

    unfortunately though – the whole fan fanatic passion thing usually blinds me from any sort of rationality when it comes to the knicks…

    one second i’m cursing the ground melo and phil walk on – the next i’m sure that soon, one day, maybe they’ll bring us to the promise land…you know, like being an 8th seed and getting bounced in the first round…

    I’m the same way geo…
    One blowout loss crushed all my hopes of making a deep playoff run.

    Looking at phils moves, what’s his worst and best? Obviously kp is his best move

    Phil gets no credit because:

    1) He’s old and has dementia
    2) He has Clarence Gaines who does everything for him
    3) He’s a racist
    4) He’s always stoned on peyote

    Yo, why does the GSW-UTA game say 29-5? Did they even hire a scorekeeper for this one? Who let that typo happen?

    I’m almost excited to see how many points the Warriors are going to hang on our shit defense.

    They need to pull David West. Dude is washed up. Every time he’s on the floor, it look like he’s playing for a different team: botches entry passes, doesn’t jump toward the ball when rebounding, bricks wide-open midrange shots. That’s a dude riding his name to a ring.

    Nik Stuaskas isn’t good, but he’s looking like a bad NBA player instead of a guy who has no business being in the league.

    Stauskas would look a lot better on a team where he was a situational role player. Hard to get noticed on that Sixers team unless you’re Joel “The Process” Embiid.

    Gotta think they can find some non-zero C after buyouts

    Ugh. Remember when the Celtics got PJ Brown after buyouts? Ugh.

    EDITED TO ADD: Huh. Brown joined the Celtics after buyouts, but I forgot that he wasn’t an actual buyout. He just waited until the last possible time he could sign with a team and be playoff eligible to sign.

    If Brandon Jennings is too expensive we should look to draft Shamorie Ponds out of St Johns. He’s a Brooklyn native, he’s 18 and he has a 600 TS% to match his identical build to BJ. The only thing is he struggles to penetrate defenses due to his size, but the kid can pass and his jumper is pure. If he comes out early we might be lucky enough to get him in the second round.

    The worst about that is he’s P.J. Brown

    That same team also got Sam Cassell after buyouts, right? That’s too much talent to just throw on to a good team right before the playoffs. Who’s the best player that the Knicks ever got out of buyout season?

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