Knicks Morning News (2016.12.02)

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Righting the Ship
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 4:00:44 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton are back on TheKnicksBlog Podcast where the guys discuss the team’s recent string of success, including Wednesday night’s win over Minnesota.

  • [SNY Knicks] Holiday’s evolution key to him receiving big minutes
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:30:31 PM)

    It has been the evolution of Justin Holiday that has earned the veteran some big minutes with the Knicks this season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Clutch Melo continues to divide the Knicks’ fanbase
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 12:25:31 PM)

    I’ve always felt based on studying the Knicks as closely as I have over the years that there’s an inner conflict that has been building within the fanbase surrounding Carmelo Anthony.

  • [NYDN] Porzingis vs. Towns: NBA’s next great big-man rivalry?
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 7:07:56 PM)

    The combined record of the Knicks and Timberwolves over the last 12 seasons is (shield your eyes, kids) 657-1,151.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony comes up big for Knicks on off night
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:32:53 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony didn’t take his first shot on Wednesday night in Minneapolis until nearly 10 minutes were gone in the first quarter. He made it.

  • [NYPost] Karl-Anthony Towns or Kristaps Porzingis? Scouts weigh in
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:53:43 PM)

    Porterhouse steak or lobster? Porsche or Ferrari? Karl-Anthony Towns or Kristaps Porzingis? Sometimes, you just can’t lose no matter which way you choose. “I wouldn’t mind taking whoever’s left,” one scout said of the choice between two of the NBA’s premier young big men. A small, informal sampling of NBA scouts and executives seemed to…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose benching stresses Knicks’ thorny point guard issue
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 1:40:20 PM)

    This wasn’t the performance Derrick Rose wanted in his first time facing his former coach Tom Thibodeau. Rose, who played five seasons for Thibodeau in Chicago, got into foul trouble in the third quarter, got a little wild in the fourth quarter and ultimately got benched by Jeff Hornacek for the frantic final 3:58 of…

  • [NYPost] What amazing things will Towns and Porzingis do for an encore?
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:19:26 AM)

    Get ready for The Rematch: “KAT vs. KP, Part II” As Kristaps Porzingis said after the Knicks beat the Timberwolves, 106-104, in a Minneapolis thriller, he and Karl-Anthony Towns put on quite the show Wednesday. Now they move to the Garden for the Friday night main event. It’s the last time the two 2015 7-foot…

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: KAT vs. KP Part II
    (Friday, December 02, 2016 5:47:20 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: KAT vs. KP Part II

  • [ESPN] Thursday’s Knicks News: Towns, Porzingis put on a show; Melo hits winning basket
    (Thursday, December 01, 2016 6:05:56 AM)

    Thursday’s Knicks News: Towns, Porzingis put on a show; Melo hits winning basket

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Whose Knicks Team Is This? You Might Be Surprised
    (Friday, December 02, 2016 1:00:27 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony’s? Kristaps Porzingis’s? Derrick Rose’s? This week, there was more than the hint of the answer: Jeff Hornacek.

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    53 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.12.02)”

    1. It won’t happen, because our offense is more balanced, and because KP isn’t as physically strong as Towns, but wouldn’t it be amazing if tonight Kristaps was the one to go off for 40+ points?

      (Preferably with us winning the game, of course.)

    2. Hope to see Plumlee get some more action. I like the energy he brings on the court.

      The Court Marshall.

    3. Plumlee was a nice surprise. I thought for sure he’d be the obvious and easy cut whenever the team decides Chasson Randle is healthy enough to get signed to the big club’s roster. Now? Well, I hope Phil can stand to part with Sasha, because I’m gonna be pissed if it’s Ron.

    4. Sasha ain’t going nowhere. He’s part of the Euro squad and that’s 4 lyfe.

    5. I’m getting amped up for the rematch on Friday night Knicks. The only problem is that my girlfriend is convinced I have a case of turrets syndrome that only shows itself when I watch the Knicks and Melo is on the court.

    6. Randle is still a big question mark, as is Baker. Plumlee is a revelation, what we wanted out of Noah but at a younger age for much less money. Sasha, as he proved in the last game, is a role player and is very good at it. Euros rule. Go Knicks and thanks, Phil.

    7. Plumlee is gonna have a decently long career as a locker room presence and someone who always gives 110%. Good find by Phil.

    8. Please stop comparing Plumlee to Noah. Plumlee is all energy with no clue of what to do and Noah is the exact opposite, except Noah has more energy than Plumlee has a clue. However you may feel about Noah may be justified but expecting the undrafted Plumlee to eventually be a Joakim Noah (who is better than all of the Plumlees) is ridiculous.

    9. I read this comment somewhere else but thought it to be true.

      Noah’s injuries so far this season have been minor. Ankle injury, hamstring, the flu. When you watch him play he gets tired quickly. These are the signs of someone who hasn’t played a lot of ball in the past year, which is true because of his shoulder injury he missed almost all of last season. Its easy to say oh he’s breaking down and we’re screwed. But if you look at the injuries he’s had this year, they aren’t really big injuries like knee or back or shoulder. They’re the type of things you get when you’re not in full game shape. And the flu was just bad luck.

      Ergo, we should just all chill out on Noah. He has plenty of time to redeem himself. I’ll never feel sorry for a multimillionaire but I think one of the hardest things must be not performing well right after you sign a big contract. Noah is a competitor. He can really only get better. If he’s still this bad by the all star break then I’m worried. But here’s the thing, we’re still a 500 team that is in the playoff hunt with Noah not playing that much and not playing well. If he can get back to where he was before, even if its just 85 percent of that, we’re gonna bring this whole team up a notch. Might work out for us in the end where he gets into form right before the playoffs and brings a new level of intensity and fight to our team for the playoffs. In the meantime, guys like KQ and Plumlee are getting some valuable minutes and experience.

    10. Please stop comparing Plumlee to Noah. Plumlee is all energy with no clue of what to do and Noah is the exact opposite, except Noah has more energy than Plumlee has a clue. However you may feel about Noah may be justified but expecting the undrafted Plumlee to eventually be a Joakim Noah (who is better than all of the Plumlees) is ridiculous.

      (who was better than all of the Plumlees). FTFY

    11. JR sporting a ghastly .453 TS% so far this season.

      It always amazes me that he and Shump have this ongoing bitterness towards Phil for being “disrespected”, when in reality they should be sending him daily thank you notes for being sent to a team where they can play terribly and no one really notices. And pick up a championship ring along the way.

    12. I was reading one of the Bulls blogs where they said that Noah always started the season slow and gradually worked himself into shape. His splits are a mixed bag over the years but they were pretty adamant about his play improving during the course of the season.

    13. Noah definitely does not seem to be in shape, but at the same time he isn’t going to get in shape if he keeps picking up injuries, and he doesn’t exactly have a great track record for sustained health.

      Saying anything definitive about our Plumdog after 25 minutes of court time is uncut raw reub.

    14. I think that Noah’s nagging injuries have slowed him a bit but I disagree about him being tired or not in shape. That’s not the issue. It’s evident, when watching the game, that the chemistry isn’t there yet between him and the rest of the starters.

      On offense, when he receives the ball, he often has to look around for several seconds to decide what to do with it. He’s standing at the elbow with the ball and nobody’s on him but he still doesn’t know “instinctively” where it needs to go. That’s chemistry that isn’t there yet.

      On defense, we all have been debating whether KP should be out on the perimeter and if Noah is hogging the paint. Then, when a ball bounces off the rim, a pipsqueak like Westbrook nabs the rebound away from him and the other bigs. Other times we see him and KP wrestling for the rebound. Once again, it’s chemistry.

      He has been sluggish but his minutes have been limited. Yes, it’s a problem but it’s not the main problem. Cohesion is problem.

    15. Noah was great three years ago. He dropped off quite a bit two years ago, and then dropped off more than that one year ago.

      The trendline doesn’t look so good.

    16. I think part of the reason he doesn’t know where to go with the ball is that when Noah gets it his man runs away from him and focuses completely on clogging his passing lanes.

    17. @20 – I agree. So what should he do?
      That was a rhetorical question because the coaching staff needs to address that with scheme. That’s the really the point I’m making. 18 sporadic games is not enough time (at this level) to have dealt with that. With more consistent playing time we might see Hornacek find the solution.

    18. While I’m extremely worried about Noah’s contract in the long term, it’s too early to say if he can provide value this year.

      If he can stay on the court consistently for another 10-15 games, we’ll have a better idea.

      He’s been a good defender the past 2 years despite his decline.

    19. @18, this is a huge problem. It has to be expected when they turn most of the roster over every year. There’s something to be said for teamwork and chemistry through familiar teammates. Of course it is likely we can look forward to a significantly different cast next year too.

    20. @23 – I hope that’s the big thing that starts to change.

      We have 9 players signed through 2019: Noah, Lee, Thomas, Porzingis (TO), Hernangomez, Plumlee, Kuzminskis, O’Quinn (PO), Anthony (PO)

      Let’s make this the year we build chemistry. Think about how the Spurs were built. How many years did Parker, Duncan, Leonard and Ginobli spend together?

      @24 – Isn’t that all chemistry too?

    21. After reading the Daily News article, it pisses me off that we’re running so few PnR sets and all of this ISO.

    22. Pythag. is 7-11, which doesn’t bode well. 25th in MOV, 23rd in SRS. There are only 3 players with positive BPM and more than half the roster (8/15) have a 0 VORP or worse. So far, this is a pretty rotten .500 team. I wake up everyday thanking the sky gods that I didn’t have the good sense to bet the O/U.

    23. I wake up everyday thanking the sky gods that I didn’t have the good sense to bet the O/U.

      Yo Jowles have you finally mustered up the courage to place a bet on the Knicks this season or what

    24. At the very least Hornacek has shown that he’s not afraid to bench Noah (or Rose) when they play like crap. The long term financial impairment of Noah’s contract is a concern but it’s not severely affecting results on the court

    25. Up till now the Knicks made me lose a few bucks along the way via the Atlanta game, where nobody could buy a bucket and I bet on the over (206.5)

    26. How have advanced stats been used to look at the contribution of coaching to team performance? Is it possible to control for the share of wins of players and attribute shares of wins to coaches? How does Horny stack up against, for example Mike Woodson? I have in mind something like an overachievement metric.

    27. Expect Melo to break out of his slump tonight. That last second shot did wonders for his confidence.

    28. How have advanced stats been used to look at the contribution of coaching to team performance? Is it possible to control for the share of wins of players and attribute shares of wins to coaches? How does Horny stack up against, for example Mike Woodson? I have in mind something like an overachievement metric.

      I think Berri’s first book talked about the negligible effect of NBA-level coaching. Basically, NBA players control their own destiny, with the exception of Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich and a few others, who markedly improved player performance, which vanished upon leaving their systems.

    29. After reading the Daily News article, it pisses me off that we’re running so few PnR sets and all of this ISO.

      Knicks are running plenty of PNR. They actually use it a ton to get mismatches for KP or Melo in the post and have almost exclusively run it at the end of games to create a favorable mismatch to exploit, most effectively in the Charlotte game at home.

      The problem with assuming the Knicks aren’t running enough PNR by just using the nba.com/stats page is that it doesn’t paint a complete picture. If the Knicks run a PNR with Rose and KP, get a switch and then post KP with a guard defending him, something they’ve made a point of doing frequently since that disastrous Rockets game, nba.com/stats counts that as a post-up with no credit being given to the PNR which created the match-up. I also believe that if Rose drives on a PNR and kicks it out to KP who pops out for a 3 that counts as a spot-up look rather than as a PNR roll man possession.

      Those numbers fail to paint a complete picture.

      Noah looks lost because he’s thinking triangle

      They’re like barely running Triangle. Find a different scapegoat than the system which is being employed less than a quarter of the time.

    30. Yo Jowles have you finally mustered up the courage to place a bet on the Knicks this season or what

      The O/U was, like, 39.5. Hell no. at 44.5 I would have considered the under, but 39.5 wins scared the hell out of me, and it looks like I was right about that.

      But yes, now that I live within a 2 hour flight of Vegas and actually have some disposable income, you’re right to assume that I’m ready to put disparaging bets on the Knicks.

    31. Expect Melo to break out of his slump tonight. That last second shot did wonders for his confidence.

      I don’t think confidence has ever been an issue for Melo.

    32. Pythag. is 7-11, which doesn’t bode well. 25th in MOV, 23rd in SRS. There are only 3 players with positive BPM and more than half the roster (8/15) have a 0 VORP or worse. So far, this is a pretty rotten .500 team. I wake up everyday thanking the sky gods that I didn’t have the good sense to bet the O/U.

      Whenever a team so outperforms their Pythag formula as you’ve outlined here it tells one thing and one thing only – the head coach is making up for and doing the most he can with the subpar unit. We can criticize many of Phil’s decisions but to me he’s at least gotten two of the most important things right during his tenure – signing a generational talent in KP and hiring a very competent head coach in Jeff Hornacek (even if it took 25 million wasted dollars on Derek Fisher to get there). That at least provides a legitimate foundation to build upon moving forward. The next issue regards how smartly we build around both potential cornerstones.

    33. THCJ – “scared the hell out of you?”

      Strange, because I got you to go on the record predicting 36 wins.

    34. BTW, I still think we’re not more than a .500 team. That’s because of the injury bug, mostly. I can’t expect our starting five to play more than 50 games together this season, and while losing Noah till now has not proven to be a big factor, losing Melo and (yikes) KP for a few games might make all the difference in the world.

    35. Might just be luck too.

      Boy, I’d hate to believe this team has been lucky with some of the crap that I’ve seen this season. But I’ll give Horny the benefit of the doubt. When he arrived in Phoenix to coach the Suns they improved 23 victories upon the previous season’s record. And he’d still be their head coach over there if the Suns front office didn’t sabotage his team with its horrible personnel moves.

    36. According to ESPN the next CBA would probably allow teams to sign their own 1st rounders after 2 years. This means, I think:

      1. The Knicks cap situation changes dramatically. After extending Porzingis they’d be capped out for the next 3 years, unless there’s also an amnesty clause.

      2. Say goodbye to KAT dreams. He’s not waiting 2 extra years to get his max contract.

    37. @46

      If they’d still be RFAs at the end of it that still gives teams a lot of leverage and reason to wait on handing out extensions.

      Towns was never leaving Minnesota after his rookie contract. Only chance is after his 2nd contract expires.

    38. Noah is thinking something for that 2-3 second pause at the elbow.. triangle, PNR, whatever.. like where is my shopping list

    39. He’s thinking why is nobody covering me? He’s thinking why does it seem that all of my teammates are double teamed? He’s thinking about what hurts him. Lastly, he’s thinking “Should I shoot?”

    40. I read somewhere that Phil gave the players a few books to read as a part of their mental growth.
      Maybe Noah thinks philosophical stuff from these books while catching the ball.
      “To be or not to be ?”,”Where do we go after life?” “Why are we here ? “is God merciful ?”, “playing basketball or join Greenpeace ?”

    41. He’s thinking why is nobody covering me? He’s thinking why does it seem that all of my teammates are double teamed? He’s thinking about what hurts him. Lastly, he’s thinking “Should I shoot?”

      the trial is over reub, rose was exonerated. get past it already.

    42. Whenever a team so outperforms their Pythag formula as you’ve outlined here it tells one thing and one thing only – the head coach is making up for and doing the most he can with the subpar unit.

      Nonsense. It’s an 18 game sample, and the Knicks are a whopping two games better than their Pythag projection.

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