Knicks Morning News (2016.05.21)

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    1. What’s our cap situation supposed to be for next summer? That’s when the real FA prizes are, and I don’t want us to tie our cap up with overpriced mediocrities.

    2. Next offseason, we’ll only have Melo, RoLo, and KOQ under contract with options on KP and Grant.

    3. That’s good. But I still want to be sure we have at least a max salary slot waiting for us next summer, even if it means we have to sign a bunch of guys to one year deals this summer.

    4. Reposting on the new thread, because it’s exactly what alsep 73 is saying about not overpaying mediocrity and being patient for a great player next year:

      We could probably poach him for 12/year because he’s a 26yo off the bench 3 point specialist who’s likely hit his ceiling already. At 8/year the Kings probably match because he has a famous last name (and because they suck).

      Exactly. This is not a “risk move we should be doing.” He is not going to sign for less than $8 mil. He will get Shump money, at least, and he’s probably about 90% as good as he’s going to get.

      When we could have signed him for Galloway money, that would have been a good move. But now that isn’t going to happen, and people are writing about a one-tool one-way player like he is worth taking a big chunk of our cap. He ain’t.

      If we did sign him for a price the Kings might not match – $12 mil is a good guess – in a year from now everyone would be complaining that we couldn’t sign great PG XYZ because we don’t have enough cap space because that dunce Phil Jackson tied it up in a limited, one-way player who’s ideally suited to come off the bench for a good team in a Bobby Jackson role.

    5. I’m hoping that we get a good shooting guard and leave the PG position this year to Grant/Wroten/Calderon/Galloway/Trice. There are so many great PG’s coming available in 2017.

    6. If Curry is really getting 12 million, you guys better be prepared to pay big bucks to Galloway.

      He will not be playing here for 4 million in this market like some here are suggesting

    7. If Seth Curry can sustain his production from last season over 2,000 minutes and be 10% better than what he is now, then you have a really good offensive basketball player. You’re talking about a guy who put up a .603 TS% on a 17% USG. How many of you expect anybody on our roster to have a TS% that high next season? Now I wouldn’t pay Seth Curry $12 million a year because I’m not sure if he will be able to keep those numbers up. But if he plays to his per minute numbers over the life of his contract he’s definitely worth $12 million a year. If he can give us 15 points/36, 5 assists/36 (very possible in Hornacek’s system), 2 TOV/36 on a .600 TS% and a 17% USG in 2000+ MP you take that for $12 million a year in this cap climate. That player would be worth around 8-10 wins.

    8. Totally agreed with massive, even though I recognize that the sample size is small. Even with the new cap climate, I would be shocked to see a guy get $12M per for 700 minutes of play. That is twenty games of starters’ minutes. Still, the fact that we’re even debating whether he’ll get that money is a testament to how bad NBA front offices are at assessing risk and future value. He could have been locked in for $8M over four last year.

    9. It is literally unbelievable to me that any of you think it even remotely reasonable that a 26 year-old with 700 NBA minutes could/should get a $12 million/year contract. I honestly think if his name were Seth Jones and not Seth Curry, nobody would consider even half that much. That’s more than STEPH Curry currently makes, for crying out loud. Can’t think of any worse idea than throwing big money at someone with a sexy last name and virtually no track record.

    10. What is really bizarre about Seth Curry and his name is that he has put up great numbers at every level and, despite being Dell’s son and Steph’s brother, not one NBA team gave him any shot at all until he was 26. How is that possible? No one looked at his D-League stats and said, “Hmm, if he’s even 60% of the player his brother is, he might be pretty good.” The Warriors never gave him a chance? That’s hard to believe. Even JR and Goran Dragic somehow managed to get their brothers jobs.

    11. NBA teams are not as good at talent evaluation as some people think they are, and there’s still a pretty much leaguewide misunderstanding of how to use the end of a bench.

    12. From what I’ve read the D-League is pretty bad, so dominating the D-League doesn’t actually mean you’ll be a good NBA player (say hello Jimmer). But given the choice between paying a guy who you know is an unproductive NBA player and taking a shot on a guy playing well in the D-League the choice for anything but an NBA title contender should be pretty obvious.

    13. I agree Seth Curry deserves a real shot to stick at the NBA level. Real shot =/= $12 mil annually or frankly even half that much.

    14. If Seth was a UFA I’d throw him $18 million over three with a team option in the 3rd and if he balked at that, I’d give him a player option and $19.5 million instead. But as an RFA, I’d give him $24-28.5 million over three with a player option in the third and hope Sacramento didn’t match. Seth has been a good basketball player on every level, guys. D League, Summer League, Division 2, Division 1, NBA regular season, you name it. This is a guy who has played well in that league. I’d take the risk on that money for certain.

    15. On the right team and the right price Seth Curry is a good move, but he’s 26 and hasn’t shown any improvement over time (granted, small sample size/D-lg v NBA). He’s a sieve on defense. In my mind this is choosing between a roster spot for a guy who’s pretty good but has topped out, or some young kid that might (even if it’s unlikely) turn into something better. He’s not a great risk/reward proposition because you already know what you’re likely to get if he maintains, but there’s an opportunity cost in not trying to develop a younger PG who had even a small chance of developing into more than that. It’s not like the Knicks are one offensive piece of the puzzle away from being competitive. I want younger guys who’ve been passed on, not older guys who’ve been passed on but now teams suddenly realize ‘hey, he’s pretty okay!’ But yes, if it’s Curry or some shumck who’s proven himself to suck, by all means go for Curry.

    16. Just saying, the Knicks are bad. We’re able to take risks, inexpensive long shots, because we’re so bad. It’s going to be 3 years before KP is really the centerpiece and we’re competitive. There’s no advantage in anything other than developing possibilities this year.

    17. I don’t think we agree on what constitutes inexpensive. I know the cap is going up, but come on.

    18. The Heat were bad team with no direction, too, and then they found a 26 year old Hassan Whiteside and that changed everything for them. That also didn’t stop them from investing in Josh Richardson and Tyler Johnson, so I do not see the point. You add as many good players to your team as you can, and Seth Curry is a good player. I’m not talking about Seth instead of a young guy. I’m talking about Seth instead of Mario Chalmers, Rajon Rondo, Brandon Jennings, Mike Conley, and the rest of the older and injured PGs on the market. There is no premier guy out there worth the money, so we should be grabbing the young/inexperienced guys and hope we land a Whiteside or a DeMarre Carroll. That’s the opportunity that presents itself with Seth Curry. It doesn’t mean Wroten loses his roster spot or that we can’t re sign Galloway or grab another guy like Melo Trimble or the shorter guy Draymond Green was championing earlier this year. It means if I had to choose between $45 million to Jennings, maxing out Rondo, or $30 million to Curry I’m going with Curry and letting the young guys dog it out in training camp.

    19. If Curry performs to his contract he also functions as a trade chip, which is something to consider given that a younger PG who’s a riskier proposition wouldn’t have the same trade value.

      I’d be fine with Curry; I’d be fine with someone younger, too.

      Could Curry play the 2-guard or is he just not big enough?

    20. I wouldn’t p*** on Curry if he was on fire, but maybe that’s just me

    21. I’m on board with Seth Curry, tho not at $12m per and not with a 3 year player option. The TS of 60% on 692 minutes is highly suspect since it requires him to be the best 3pt shooter in NBA history, but he’s also not quite as terrible defensively as people are making him out to be — he definitely has significant weaknesses but he moves his feet, has quick hands, average to plus length and plays smart/hard. I would be willing to go 3/25 if it added a 4th year team option. It sounds like crazy money but in 17-18+ it’s only ~7% of the cap which in KOQ/DW range for 15-16. I agree his timeline doesn’t match up great with KP, but I don’t think that’s the best way to look at it for a contract like this. The key for a team like us is to do mismatched deals with upside value potential, because that value will be marketable, and despite appearances most players don’t secure NTC clauses rendering them inalienable. Good deals can always be made to match up to younger players if optimal. The mismatched deals to avoid are those with no upside like signing a fully known non-superstar to a multi-year deal that pays him fairly at max production when the timeline is off.

      That’s part of the reason I want nothing to do with Evan Turner, Rondo and perhaps even Batum/Conley if the latter are going to make $26m starting. Mismatched timeline plus no upside potential — and we aren’t good enough for that. I would much rather take a safer, cheaper type guy (Dudley) or overpay an iffy guy on a short deal (here I am mostly thinking about Phil just giving Noah a really big one year deal).

      Seth Curry has always looked to me like the guy I always wanted Hubert Davis to be but knew never could.

    22. LOL @ the Hassan Whiteside comparison. The Heat paid Whiteside a total of $1.5 million while he proved himself to the tune of 3,300 minutes playing elite NBA basketball. *Now* he is going to get the big contract he’s earned.

      That’s a far cry from offering a 26 year-old benchwarmer $8-12 million annually after 700 minutes of garbage time for one of the worst teams in the league.

    23. There is no premier guy out there worth the money, so we should be grabbing the young/inexperienced guys and hope we land a Whiteside or a DeMarre Carroll.

      I agree completely with this, maxing out any of the bigger names on the market would be a horrible idea. If the choice is Rondo or Seth Curry, Seth Curry every day and twice on the weekends. But there’s nothing in his record that indicates he’ll turn into a Whiteside, or that he’s got upside beyond what he’s already shown.

    24. We’re fumbling around in the dark as to player production vs player salary. All of his history suggests great play, but as someone said, so did Jimmer’s numbers on every level up to the NBA. And the cost of a win in the NBA is about to go through the roof, so there are a lot of moving parts in this equation. We’re not even talking “Is Seth Curry good?” at this point, which, given his numbers, is a question worth asking (the answer is yes, probably). This is a much harder conversation.

      This franchise has been too inept to sign young, talented, undervalued players to multi-year minimum contracts and let them succeed or be waived, so I see no reason to start with a guy who could command $10M a year after 700 minutes of NBA play. And I’m a guy who thinks that he should have been a Knicks three years ago.

    25. If you guys want the Knicks to have their Hassan Whiteside moment, y’all better start praying Tony Wroten becomes one of the best guards in the NBA.

    26. @18 and @23,
      massive, this is the same logic that the Rockets used to offer Jeremy Lin a contract for $25 mill over 3 years, which wound up costing them a #1 pick to ditch. And Lin had a much larger sample size at a younger age.

      For every Hassan Whiteside, there are 20 Jerome Jordans.

      Seth Curry is simply a very low percentage gamble for anything over $6 million per. He’s a very good shooter (possibly, sample size is still crazy small!) who is a very, very poor defender for his position, and his assist % (14%!!!) assist/turnover ratio are downright terrible for a PG. He is the Steve Novak of PGs, another 1-trick pony who has a seductive TS% and nothing else. Jose Calderon right now is a better player than Seth Curry! I honestly can’t believe that we are having this conversation.

    27. If you guys want the Knicks to have their Hassan Whiteside moment, y’all better start praying Tony Wroten becomes one of the best guards in the NBA.

      If only we had a Red Priest to resurrect that corpse into something useful…

    28. For every Hassan Whiteside, there are 20 Jerome Jordans.

      It’s a little weird to compare Whiteside to Jerome Jordan of all people, the dude who was above average in virtually everything, albeit in limited minutes. Jerome Jordan is like Nick Fazekas: very strong play in very limited minutes. His failures on the court are held up with anecdotal evidence. (Fazekas went on to win two Japanese MVPs awards and a title. Doesn’t mean much, but the guy frankly never got a shot to prove his value.)

    29. I think that Jowles and I are in agreement about Curry, but can’t really tell…

    30. But speaking of Jeremy Lin, what would it cost to get him back here?

      He’s hardly a world-beater but he’s a competent pick-and-roll PG who thrives in an uptempo offense. If we’re really going to let Hornacek do his thing, he’ll need a PG with a pulse. I could completely understand if Lin wants to stay the hell away from this franchise, but literally only Carmelo (who seems to have grown up a bit) is left from the time he was here, including a different team president and head coach. Eh, I guess Dolan is still here too.

      Anyway, if we could lure Lin back and poach Evan Fournier from the Magic, that to me would be a good free agency and would give us a team (Lin/Fournier/Melo/KP/Rolo) that could play Hornicek’s style and win more games than they lose in year one. Hell, that team would be better than the Raptors in my opinion.

    31. Jowles, can’t you at least give up the ghost on Fazekas? I mean, Japanese League MVP??

      Do you really think there was a conspiracy to not give him minutes? Same with Jerome?

      Do you really think that Cole Aldrich and DeAndre Jordan are interchangeable? In other words that the Clips should trade DeAndre and make Cole their full-time center, since he produced at essentially the same per-minute rate on both ends? I mean, Jordan ties up nearly 10X the salary that Cole does.

      I totally agree that some guys are woefully undervalued/overvalued by the “experts” but we saw Cole and Novak here first hand, does anyone think that high ts%/WS48 guys like that are worth more than minimum-to-mid-level exception money?

    32. That’s a far cry from offering a 26 year-old benchwarmer $8-12 million annually after 700 minutes of garbage time for one of the worst teams in the league.

      The difference between $8m and $12m matters here. An $8m/yr deal for ~that Curry is equivalent to a $4m/yr for Jeremy Lin from the Rockets — about 7% of the cap (excluding 2016-17, which matters by far the least). No team not named Sacramento ever gives up a first rounder to ditch a player earning 7% ($4m) of the cap. And if the offer is $25/3 plus a 4th year option it’s a bit better than that. The goal is to take manageable risks where the upside more than offset the downside. Obviously that calculus depends on everyone’s bullshit subjective opinion of Curry, but I think $8m plus a 4th year team option probably get you there. Plus Steph Curry is a free agent soon, and we have a long history of succeeding at that particular strategy. We could then pick up Brook and Jerami, leaving the Morris twins tilting with jealousy.

    33. Seth Curry’s season for the Kings also does not touch Jeremy Lin’s breakout season on the Knicks. The question after that season was whether Lin was going to be a star, or just a perfectly good NBA player (turned out to be the latter). The question with Curry is whether he’s really fit to stick on an NBA roster (would you bet your own money on him maintaining a .600 TS% playing more minutes and for a winning team?) or whether it’s back to the D-league/Europe for him.

    34. Here are my answers to the questions being tossed around in this thread:

      Is 700 enough minutes to accurately evaluate NBA talent? Probably not.
      Were Seth Curry’s 700 MP valuable? Sure, especially to teams as bad at shooting as the Knicks.
      Does that mean anything? Sure — it suggests he’s pretty good at shooting. Probably.
      Is he a good defender/ball-handler/point guard? I don’t know. Probably not.
      Is $10M a year still a lot of money in the new cap situation? Probably.
      Should you get $10M a year to a guy with 700 MP in the NBA? Probably not.
      Was Nick Fazekas the Prince Who Was Promised? Yes, certainly so.
      Is Tony Wroten bad at basketball? Oh fuck yes.

    35. @14 – teams may not be great at evaluating talent but it’s still kind of strange that no team looked at a guy tearing up the D-League and said, “That guy swims in the same gene pool as two guys, one of whom was one of the better shooters in the NBA and the other of whom might the greatest shooter of all time. Let’s take a $500,000 flier on him.”

    36. As Jowles says, this is a much harder conversation than “is Curry good?” The (small) sample size suggests that over the next three years – peak production for most players – he will be at least a league average 2 guard. That would obviously be a big upgrade for us. But there are better 2 guards available, and it would seem smart to pay more, even three times as much, for a great 2 guard and chase a great PG next year. In the meantime, who knows, maybe Horny gets Grant to another level and he turns into our guy? Probably not, but either way, there is no answer at PG this year. (Excepting Conley, who is too big a risk for us.)

      If we could get Curry for $24m over 3 years, that is OK – at the least, it should be a tradeable contract if it doesn’t work out. But on a great team he’d be a sixth man, not a starter, and since we have the cap room to potentially put together a great team, why waste money on a league-average 2 guard, even if he makes us better in the short term?

      I think Curry is likely to be good. I just think we should be patient and take two years to get the right players. Curry is the kind of player you add AFTER you have a great team together.

    37. Why some team (including us) didn’t pick up Seth a couple years ago, though, boggles the mind.

    38. Lin is going to get paid way too much for it to be a good idea to bring him back. It’s a bad year for FA point guards, which is why I think we shouldn’t sign one

    39. Why pay 10 million for a big question mark when for 15 or 18 you can get the real deal? We’ve got plenty of question marks of our own without him. Does he play defense at all? Is he very different from Jimmer?

    40. Great discussion today. Another issue with Curry would be what happens first with other 2 guards. I’m with you guys that want to address the 2 guard/wing this offseason and hold off on PG for another year (other than to maybe take a 1 year flier on someone trying to prove himself….there are a couple out there who might do that). Grant and Calderon could be okay for a year. Give Grant a chance.

      If Phil kicks the tires on Batum, Fournier, Bazemore et al. but can’t bag one, then, sure, take a run at Curry if he can be gotten for a reasonable amount. Maybe an undersized Curry/Galloway combo could do the job at the 2, but I’d rather get a good all-around guy.

    41. Crabbe and Beal are interesting too. Beal is still only 22 and might be available at a savings because of his injuries!

    42. Beal’s getting the max from someone. Too much money out there. Crabbe too. No way Portland doesn’t match any offer. Hey, I like those guys, but they are long shots. Really, all the restricted guys are long shots.

    43. Ok all you Curry haters , I guess you’re ok with rolling out one-year-older Calderon, Galloway, Wroten? and Grant as the point guards next year. If so, I hope some huge improvement occurs over last year otherwise the Knicks chances for significant progress towards winning are doomed no matter how good their front court is.

    44. I would love to shake Bradley Beal’s hand after he signs that max contract. So much for so little.

    45. Yeah, Beal’s a big risk b/c he gets hurt every year. Hasn’t he had a similar leg injury for 4 straight years? Could be chronic.

      But, oh, all the talent. Potential superstar. The Wiz will max him.

    46. I guess you’re ok with rolling out one-year-older Calderon, Galloway, Wroten? and Grant as the point guards next year

      Sure

    47. I’m not a Curry “hater” nor am I a huge Wroten fan, but compare their numbers. Curry is clearly a much better shooter and doesn’t turn the ball over nearly as much. But Wroten gets to the line three times as much and gets more steals, rebounds, assists and blocks (per 36 and on a % basis). Plus, Wroten is a 6’6″ point guard and Curry is a 6’2″ shooting guard. I’d be all for signing Seth Curry if the Knicks could get him for $3 million a year, but I don’t think that the Knicks are in a position to wager $9-10 million per that he is more Steph than he is a short Steve Novak. I’m not saying that Seth won’t become a star. He might. But I don’t think the Knicks can afford to make that bet.

    48. I think everyone has been pretty clear they aren’t Curry haters. Or curry haters either.

    49. Well the thing with Wroten is that he turns the ball over more than anyone else in the NBA which is where the comparison between those two guards breaks down

    50. Wroten has been one of the worst players in the NBA. Curry put in 700 minutes of okay basketball. If you compare their numbers Curry has been much, much better.

    51. Tony Wroten is a friggin’ possession destroyer. He turns the ball over incessantly and shoots badly, and shoots a LOT.

      He’s the Andrea Bargnani of point guards.

    52. The point is not that Wroten is good. Rather that he does a lot of things much better than Seth Curry (and he’s 3 years younger), so I’m not sure why, if Wroten is so awful in a lot of people’s eyes, a lot of those same people are so anxious to throw $10 million per year at Seth Curry.

    53. I expect nothing from Wroten, but he was signed for peanuts. He will not inhibit our ability to sign an actual good player.

      If we’re lucky, maybe we could pick up Bargnani for the vet minimum. We really need some floor spacers. Also, gifs.

    54. anyone have thoughts on this?: why does Mike Breen talk so much? I mean, if we’re watching the play, we don’t need to be told if “he gets it to go” or “can’t get it to go.” (Could there be a wordier way of putting whether the shot was good?) And that’s just an example. He really talks a lot, for another example constantly recalculating the size of the lead, in a way that I don’t think Marv Albert ever does.

      maybe a deeper question would be, what does it mean that the NBA’s top TV announcer in 2016 talks as much as Breen does? You’d think that such a verbose style would be a disadvantage in our attention-challenged age. Or is it believed that we now want a steady hum of patter to accompany the images? Who is it — which network executives — that hears Breen and thinks, “That’s it, that’s the way games should be called on TV”? Because I’d rather a Pat Summerall type than the motormouths we have nowadays.

    55. I don’t get all the panic buying here. I don’t see the utility in overpaying for second tier talent. Batum is a very nice player, but he’s no way near a max player.

      Curry may or may not be an average player buy multi years @ 10M is just nuts. You can’t build a long term franchise by overpaying for second level talent.

      Phil aught to be reaching out to the Clippers and see if Doc thinks Melo can be Paul Pirece and is interested in a Chris Paul , Melo and Jordan nucleus moving forward. Maybe LAL has interest in Blake Griffin to fill the building. Maybe Boston does. I’m not a GM, but I don’t see the lakers at the price their tickets go for being interested in a 5 year rebuild. That building will be as empty as Novaya Zemlya archipelago after the Tsar Bomba was detonated. There’s got to be a way to shake the 2nd or third pick loose working a 3 way around Melo..

      If Durant isn’t interested in NY (which is a 99.99% certainty) Phil aught to tell Melo, “we aren’t overpaying for second rate talent to make this a 40 win team. You should think of relocating to the Clippers because we are going to tank this season to get a high lottery pick in what is supposed to be a deep 2017 draft to pair with Porzingis moving forward. I’m gonna trade Lopez for a mid first rounder and we are moving forward that way.” Your move Melo

      Overpaying for second rate talent is the road to perdition.

    56. If we’re going to become the new Sixers count me out. I want to compete and to win. When we already have three fifths (or four fifths if you count Grant) of a terrific team I want that final piece. To me Batum, Bazemore, Beal, Crabbe, Fournier, maybe Stephenson are all good enough to get us there. Constant rebuilds sacrificing the present for definite future maybes is for losers. I want Phil to buy the best shooting guard that he can get off of that list even if he overpays.

    57. Overpaying for second rate talent is the road to perdition.

      Pretty much every free agent on the market this year is going to be “overpaid,” because pretty much every team is going to have a ton of cap space. It’s going to be very, very difficult to get really great value in free agency this offseason. $10M is going to look like peanuts compared to what some of these guys are gonna get paid. Hell, Arron freakin’ Afflalo got $8M a year BEFORE the salary cap got blown to smithereens.

    58. So the alternative to overpaying is tanking and praying that your draft pick works out next year? Or waiting until next year to overpay if you can get somebody really good to want to come here which is problematic? I’ll take a bird in the hand right now.

    59. When we already have three fifths (or four fifths if you count Grant) of a terrific team

      I don’t count Grant.

    60. To put it charitably we have 3 fifths of an eastern conference 5th seed.

    61. The Knicks can’t really do a proper tank. That ship sailed with the MMM contract. So Phil might as well use the cap space. But there is going to be some serious sticker shock when people see the contracts guys like Crabbe, Bazemore and Beal end up signing.

    62. The point with Seth Curry is that he is Jose Calderon minus the assists, and he is likely who he is. Jose isnt exactly a star,, and great part of the value of Jose is that he gets lots of AST with very few TOs. And lots of people here want to stretch Calderon, even though his salary is less than 8 million.

    63. Why do we always need to settle to overpay the likes of shandon Anderson, Easley, Jared Jeffries, and as suggested Seth curry.
      I want Seth curry but we should have gotten Seth curry and white side last year.
      For us to have that competitive advantage, we should be able to risk the stocks before the prices soar and not buy stocks while they’re on top which will d cline after we bought them.
      Our old Jeremy Lin is a great example. We should be the Knicks in Jeremy Lin dn not the rockets. I am all in in saving the cap space and get 1 year rentals.
      Take a look at wroten and also the raptors got Biyombo last year at a discount, we should get a player like that in the offseason. Low risk high reward. Maybe ray parks? Hermo genes? Jimmer? I’m not getting paid millions to evaluate available talents though.

    64. Phil aught to be reaching out to the Clippers and see if Doc thinks Melo can be Paul Pirece and is interested in a Chris Paul , Melo and Jordan nucleus moving forward. Maybe LAL has interest in Blake Griffin to fill the building. Maybe Boston does. I’m not a GM, but I don’t see the lakers at the price their tickets go for being interested in a 5 year rebuild. That building will be as empty as Novaya Zemlya archipelago after the Tsar Bomba was detonated. There’s got to be a way to shake the 2nd or third pick loose working a 3 way around Melo..

      If Durant isn’t interested in NY (which is a 99.99% certainty) Phil aught to tell Melo, “we aren’t overpaying for second rate talent to make this a 40 win team. You should think of relocating to the Clippers because we are going to tank this season to get a high lottery pick in what is supposed to be a deep 2017 draft to pair with Porzingis moving forward. I’m gonna trade Lopez for a mid first rounder and we are moving forward that way.” Your move Melo

      Overpaying for second rate talent is the road to perdition.

      I absolutely agree, but since Melo won’t accept a trade, all you can really do is sign the best free agents you can get. But yes, if Melo would accept a deal, then yes, clearly they should trade Melo. Since he won’t, and thus you can’t do a real rebuild, Jackson is sort of stuck with signing the best guards he can find and at least try to make the playoffs with this team.

    65. Just saying if you wanna give Bazemore $17 million you shouldn’t be opposed to giving Curry $ half of that. At least $8million is tradable where that $17 million won’t be when Bazemore turns out to be a poor man’s Trevor Ariza.

    66. Just saying if you wanna give Bazemore $17 million you shouldn’t be opposed to giving Curry $ half of that. At least $8million is tradable where that $17 million won’t be when Bazemore turns out to be a poor man’s Trevor Ariza.

      I think we should not sign either.

    67. @76

      Definitely not at those suggested prices. Bazemore especially, is very overrated imo. Seems like a guy whose next team will regret that contract mightily a couple of months in to next season.

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