After last year, when the Knicks were screwed by the refs in Houston, the refs owe them this one!
Then again, the Knicks should have won that one with pretty much a threadbare roster, so they should definitely win this one with their current roster.
So don’t even let the refs get involved, Knicks, just kick their ass!
Let’s go, Knicks! It’ll be great to get to 58!
205 replies on “2024-25 Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets – The Refs Owe the Knicks One!”
Good discussion of defense today. A few scattered things outside of AIOs and the eye-test I personally look at:
1) Stocks–please refrain from yelling at me about how bad defenders can get them and good ones sometimes refrain, I am aware. Still, ending possessions and preventing FGA that disproportionately come at the rim is a serious value-add that, to me, comes with the rebuttable presumption that a player is an asset defensively.
2) On/off that accounts for lineups over a large sample–see what impact a player has on his team’s defense with well-known defensive asset/liability teammates both on and off the floor. Try to create your own DRAPM, basically. I’d never consider this (or anything else for that matter) definitive, but I think it can be insightful.
3) Tracking data–there are serious limitations to this, as e.g. DFG% can be all kinds of noisy. Still, I think over a large enough sample size it’s worth looking at, and is especially useful for centers since they rack up a large sample of defended FGA quickly.
Let’s go Knicks!
Are we really good, or are Lakers really bad, or were Pistons asleep? (pistons 20pts up on lakers)
I don’ think you can accurately measure a player’s defensive impact without analyzing what he does relative to what he’s expected to do, relative to what other players in the same role and circumstances do.
It is also dependent on what opposing offenses do as a result of you being on the floor. Are you hunted or avoided? How switchable are you vs. various offensive players? How much do you cover for your teammates? How good are you at controlling the player you are guarding?
For example, if your coach wants you to switch everything, then you are not going over screens by design. If that player scores post-screen, it might be a blown hedge or switch rather than a failure on your part. If teams. If a player scores on an alley-oop because the C had to overcommitt on a blow-by, that’s not his fault he didn’t protect the rim. There is so much nuance that most AIO stats are blurred. They aren’t useless…just not at all definitive.
Payne is out. Go Tyler!
Also, Steven Adams is back after a two-year absence. Good luck big guy, just not too much!
During Monica McNutt’s pre-game interview Deuce was in the background behind her and I watched him drain like 10 treys in a row. Looked incredibly smooth and dialed in. Let’s take care of business here boyz.
cyber’s homeboy Queta is getting some minutes these days…
As I mentioned before, I think the Pistons may have learned something about playing us. They had to play harder after being embarrassed by us in the first half and it looks like they are keeping it up, first against Brooklyn and now against the Lakers.
I think tonight is a great test. My hope is that we survive Dillon Brooks’ BS
Couple of dumb plays to start
Ugly break there but it worked
Knicks don’t exactly come out with much defensive intensity to start games.
van vleet has hit a couple terrible shots
Van Vleet is like a chubby TJ McConnell. Always pissing me off.
Mikal guards FVV, gets over first screen, dies on second screen, FVV hits wide open jumper.
Another PnR, Mikal gets over slow and FVV hits Sengun on the roll.
KAT needs to start doing something different if Mikal can’t get around screens.
Knew FVV would do all his regression to his shitty mean today. Guy always destroys us.
I forgot Adams wound up on the Rockets
Lol Van Vleet.
Love it when the Knicks are struggling then fucking Sims enters the game…
Thank goodness Sims is in for that hack Towns.
Geez Sims, that was dumb
Oops never mind. Back to BBA.
Can Precious play on one leg?
Sims has never been what you would call a high IQ player
OG is playing like he’s drunk.
I’ll give this to the Rockets, they’re really annoying
Sims seems like a nice guy, and looks to be in great shape. It’s too bad he’s terrible.
Did just OG fall down 3 times in one possession?
Adams should have done the dikembe finger wag on OG
I was just thinking OG has been doing some weird stuff. Plus he’s on the ground every time I look up. Drunk is definitely an option.
I was just thinking Sims played that possession well then makes the stupid goaltend.
OG with another decent look at the basket that doesn’t go in.
We still aren’t kicking out for threes nearly enough.
We look lethargic compared to them.
This is a loss. This team just owns us.
Need more Huk
FVV looks like he wants to make a point vs. Brunson
Yeah 6 point leads are basically impossible to overcome in the NBA
They made some tough shots, but the defense has been bad .
So Wally is back?
Cavs move to 8-0.
Was that weird watching Brunson dribble in place with his back to the guy guarding him for like 10 seconds?
Hopefully Giannis is also out this Friday.
I just turned it on. Is FVV playing really well or are we having a defensive issue?
Looks like Ime has the Rockets playing some aggressive D. They might be pretty good, depending on how well the kids shoot.
He has it tonight but Brunson has been on him quite a bit, which makes it a lot easier.
Is that Mike dantoni Jr at point guard for Houston?
Sengun and Van Vleet are killing us.
Knicks seem to struggle against switch. They keep going to mismatches instead of running offense, and they don’t really feel like mismatches.
Hart just needs to keep driving until Sengun fouls out.
Turning it off. This one’s over.
first network calls it
Knicks are playing like ass.
These guys are a god damn handful, it feels like everyone can jump out of the gym. Gonna have to outshoot them.
WTF is Hart doing. WTF is anyone on the Knicks doing this is awful.
We look like idiots out there.
Kolek’s getting burned on re-entry
they’re giving us the 2023 knicks treatment
Kolek looking like something less than a speed bump on that one.
Tari is electric.
What is Josh doing?
haha
Seems like the Rockets have 20 dunks already
McBride and Kolek are playing together, but McBride is bringing the ball up the court. That doesn’t leave much for Kolek to do. I’m not sure why they are doing it that way.
Kolek looked like a Swiss cheese loving matador on that one!
Rockets are 16-26 from 2pt, and we are only within 20 points because their perimeter shooting isn’t very good.
Yeah…Kolek not quite ready for prime time
We’re a step slow and missing everything. They are energized and are hitting everything. We’ll make some adjustments at the half and things will revert to mean.
I think Bridges just played 16 minutes straight?
Clyde might have used “ghastly” to describe this…
Let Kolek bring the ball up. Deuce has no idea how to run an offense.
Great D by OG and rebound by Hart
At least when Bridges gets beat it’s cause of a screen being used, Deuce just gets burned clean off the dribble.
Dillon Brooks has evil insect antennae on the back of his head.
jalen’s got to go back to being more aggressive taking that pull up 3
Caps putting in work
Sims is awful
Honestly what is the point of Sims even playing.
Getting destroyed on the boards
Deuce stinks tonight
Sims has to be subbed out for Hukporti ASAP. I’d rather play Hart at C
Man we are getting bullied
Sims is sub-replacement level. What exactly does he do well? They really need Precious.
We want Huk!!!
Deuce might actually be playing worse than Sims tonight.
he’s off but heroic steal by deuce
It seems like this Knicks team every couple of games is gonna get reality checks following blowout victories.
I guess OG’s mechanics are fine.
Jericho Sims is living the life
Brunson getting mugged
Deuce with his old CB skills
Someone get pags in off the ledge
OG sobered up quickly
Can we go back and give OG the full max?
When OG isn’t on the floor he’s playing well!
Someone tell Pagliacci to turn his TV back on
Gritty AF
Nice comeback!
Sims lead the comeback…………..not
Well we stunk out the joint for the vast majority of that half but somehow are only down 5
Terrific close to an insanely frustrating half.
They told me OG couldn’t score
When has pags not been on the ledge?
I feel like we’re getting mugged.
The officiating is one sided
Deuce is missing shots, happens. But he’s hustling his ass off.
Sengun is an Embiid-level foul merchant.
Oh man Trae Young got hurt tonight if he’s out on Wednesday with the rest of the Hawks injuries Knicks should probably be 20 pt favorites.
Sims had one nice defensive possession near the end there.
They’re shooting 23% from 3. We’re shooting 53%.
KAT & Bridges need to step up.
Good comeback, but we are getting killed inside and on the boards.
Ja made a sick 360 move tonight.
Incredible move!
Knicks must be shooting like 20% in the paint tonight.
getting beat up on the glass and having KAT in foul trouble isn’t auspicious
Sengun gets away with a lot of contact
Knicks don’t have good luck with refs in Houston.
this has been an. . .inconsistently refereed game
Mikal is garbage tonight
Knicks shooting 35% from 2 is sad
KAT playing pissed right now.
Bridges should pull his head out of his ass…might help him
How the fuck is that not an and 1? Brooks fouled the shit out of KAT
Yeah, easily Mikal’s worst game as a Knick. He’s been awful.
KAT keeps getting hit and nothing. It’s ridiculous.
KAT is immense and has deserved many additional free throws
Karl needs to get more 3’s up
That was a killer
Yeah Knicks aren’t winning this game.
This is getting unwatchable. They are playing like crap on both sides.
Thank god he airballed that Hart had no business rebounding over Funaki
This does not look like a well coached team right now. Nobody is in sync on defense and the offense looks like it’s a preseason game. We’re hanging around on sheer talent but this is not quality team play.
Sims is useless. We really could have used Mitch tonight!
Yeah, but still hangin’ around…
At least the Pistons win is looking more impressive.
Seems like we’re always the team that ends shooting slumps. FVV was shooting 28% going into this game
maybe the boys are really worried about the election
WTF IS SIMS DOING!!!
We’re being outshot, outhustled, out defended, outrebounded and outoffciated. Be interesting to see if they can dig deep in Q4 and gut out a win like they did so much last year.
jalen shoot that damn 3 i beg you
Jesus Christ Sims
jericho turnpike
These refs must have bet on the Rockets.
thank you
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Deuce!
This smells like a classic Knicks fake comeback
Still only down by six despite getting seemingly outplayed from whistle to whistle. Jericho Sims is so bad I actually feel bad for him
amazing it’s a six point game, we should be down like 20
OG gonna hurt his back carrying this team
We are a mess, but the non-Sims guys are really good at basketball and it helps
thompson doing a good job on jalen
Might as well be down 60. This team’s whistle is Embiid level
Sims says “f off, Knickerblogger!”
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Deuce obtuse
Deuce is killing us tonight.
I’m sick of this shit..
Sengun has traveled EVERY DAMN TIME he put the ball on the floor. Yet the refs whistle seems clogged
nice pass josh
Brooks is a dirty pos
So many fucking stupid shots by the Knicks.
If the Knicks want Bench scoring they should bring up TJ Warren.
Towns is a rebounding machine
Towns is a boarding machine.
Jinx Pepper!
We’d never score a transition bucket if it weren’t for Hart
Not gonna lie though Knicks have had a ton of rim outs tonight.
Gotta get OG back in
KAT absolutely has his defensive deficiencies but the rebounding sure helps. Ideally our talent edge would carry the day here.
While all of Houston’s shots hang on the rim and go in.
Why does it seem like Sengun has 50 points?
Can Eric Adams make a few calls and get Sengun to take it easy?
Were the refs told before the game no and 1’s for the Knicks?
One of OG or KAT needs to stop Sengun
Aside from having nobody who can guard Sengun this has been a nice comeback
Whoever called the fake comeback was apot on. We’re amazing at staying 1-2 possessions behind but never taking the lead
Stupid decisions by the Knicks on both ends of the court down the stretch.
Stupid, annoying loss.
Tough shot by Green. Not Brunson’s finest floor game tonight.
They still need to iron some things out on offense, brunson shouldn’t be heroballing like this, and the team needs to work to create more 3s, everyone can shoot
Our bench is lame
When does Spring Training start?
They couldn’t hit a key basket, couldn’t get an OREB on key possessions like they used to last year, the defense sucked and Brunson has to stop playing hero ball on a team with this much firepower.
Even though we’ve shot way better from three, Houston still shot five more than us… unforgivable.
Brunson outta gas and trying to do too much by himself. Never got the PnR going, never got KAT 3pts, and had no answer for Shengun. Missed opportunity. Hope they learn from it.
Well we certainly didn’t look like a top-5 team tonight.
Brunson needs to start recognizing when he isn’t having a good shooting night. Plenty of guys out there that can hit shots.
Stunk to high heaven down the stretch of this one. This is a collection of players and not a team at this point.
questionable sportsmanship on that dunk
Fuck Everything Texas
I’m sure Brunson will say post-game that he has to play better. They’ll blow out Atlanta then probably blow a 4th quarter lead at home to Milwaukee.
Also really can’t win games in the NBA when your bench scores 3 points.
I was thinking this but I’m cool with it if the disrespect helps motivate our boys
KAT & Bridges were a disappointment. Deuce can’t go 0-9.
Kudos to Houston for playing some good defense.
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TJ Warren is currently on the Westchester Knicks. Not sure why Matt Ryan would be higher on the list if he gets a standard deal
When is Mitch back?
In 2025
Knicks bench is McBride, rookies and Jericho Sims who are available to play.
Don’t know why you thought Sims was bad. He scored just as many points as Deuce on nine fewer shots.
More seriously, the Rockets are one of the best rebounding teams in the NBA right now. They’re basically us last year. Us, not so much.
It’s very early obviously but the idea that we’re a threat to Boston is kind of laughable
We have the core of a very good team. We need Mitch back for those nights Towns is having a tough time defending the opposing C and we need real 6th man scorer off the bench. I like Deuce, but he’s not a 6th man caliber scorer.
Well D- Mar Rose should be fired if his product doesn’t develop to challenge the team he had his eyes on.
A trade is impossible, they need to try out TJ Warren
Oddly enough, Sims and McBride had the only positive plus/minuses on the team, with +14 and +10 in 16 and 28 minutes, respectively. It’s not a small difference from the other Knicks (the best of whom was OG at -5 in 40 minutes). I don’t understand it, but maybe Sims was actually trouble for the Rockets on defense in the paint. Does anyone have other thoughts?
It’s really depressing how many western teams there are that have had multiple contending windows more recently than us, tanked, and are again a lot better than us. Houston is one of them. We would be a and b-.500 team if we didn’t play in the shitty East.
+/- at its best
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Jericho Sims in Houston:
0 points
0 shots
4 rebounds
4 fouls
+14 game high
That was a very frustrating loss. I hope they beat the Hawks by 4,000 points on Wednesday.
I read up to here and then skipped to the end.