The Knicks host the Wizards, who will be without their star player, Bradley Beal, so that’s good news.
Also, Toppin and Grimes are back tonight, but no RJ yet (perhaps RJ was actually sick sick? Seems hard to imagine him needing more conditioning than those two otherwise).
They really need to win this one to get their playoff chances back on target, and they really should win this one, so let’s hope that they do just that!
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216 replies on “2021-22 Game Thread: The Almost Healthy Knicks vs. the Beal-Less Wizards”
BING BONG!
I don’t care who’s playing tonight. I’m just so excited to be back at MSG!
Jowles proved in that last thread that all you need to do to get people to believe something is to say it came from Woj.
After getting my booster yesterday, I don’t know if I’m in good enough shape to watch this game. Like RJ, my conditioning is shit.
My crazy conspiracy theory is that RJ needing conditioning is related to Thibs saying he hasnt been working as hard this season.
I wonder if Thibs will start Grimes because Burks is the only option to play PG with the second unit.
I second this. Makes the most sense. Burks also gives some shot creation to whoever is on the second unit these days.
Pity to break up Obi & Grimes but at least we shouldn’t have long stretches of all vets stinking it up
It’ll be interesting to see if the Kemba/Mitch pnr works as well against Dinwiddie and Gafford as it did against the Pistons’ scrubs.
So I guess either Burks or Kemba will sub out early so they can come back to run the second unit.
Nope, looks like Burks is starting. Guessing he’ll still try to stagger their minutes somehow
Currently 102 players in H&S Protocol…
This game against a direct competitor is close to a must win.
Let’s Go Knicks!
Video here: https://twitter.com/EDemirNBA/status/1474141668928589825
Seeing Kemba and Fournier starting just makes me depressed. Only above average athlete in the starting lineup there is Mitch
There’s 17 roster spots (including 2-ways) on 30 teams. 30*17=510. 102 players in protocol ÷ 510 roster spots = 20% of the league.
This is fine.
The only thing not fine is competitive fairness,
with some teams lucky enough to have so many players out to have their games postponed and others forced to play with skeleton rosters because they have one or two too many scrubs healthy…
Great to see Clyde seems to have posted and toasted Covid-19
The answer is “yoga”…
FourniYAY
Jeez at least we didn’t draft Kispert…
Everyone looks decent except for a certain power forward…
Kispert always seemed like prime bust material
nice…Starks and Bernard kicking back
Nice turnover Randle
i know we’re low on players but these jericho taj randle lineups are not it
Fournier with 3 awful defensive possessions in a row .. pathetic … he’s the worst
Dot before Grimes? Send the flood
Dotson before Grimes?
How do you give up 9 straight to these Wizards?
Fournier losing his man on cuts twice and getting blown by one on one … there’s 6 of 9
knicks city dancers showing more intensity than the team
Then where are you getting 13 roster sports for next year?
Randle, Fournier, Rose, Burks, Noel, RJ, Quickley, Toppin, Kemba McBride, Grimes, and Mitch is 12. Add the MLE and our 2022 first to get to 14. The incinerated pick would’ve been 15.
In any event, I highly doubt this was their calculation. The draft happened before free agency, and incinerating a pick because you don’t anticipate having roster space for the player two seasons later is not good process. If there were too many intriguing roster options for us, we could’ve solved that good problem with a 2-for-1 trade.
Fournier est un poisson en defense
Strat has Thibs’ ear
A lineup of Sims, Obi, Burks, Dotson, and Kemba?
Sims with more points in 5 mins than Noel has had all year
the kispert game
Why is Dotson in this game????
Thibodeau is such a fucking weirdo.
burks’ play appears sloppy and disinterested too often…what’s up with that guy…it’s like he’s emulating bad julius
Well this is embarrassing.
That was a missed call
Sims should play over Noel and Taj
Sims has muscle … I like his prospects
Here i am… Simsssss!!
Yes probably. Someone has to get moved
Fournier with 7 consecutive bricks…
Fournier running away from a rebound is peak Evan, right?
Classic Fournier. Passes up an open three for a contested one, misses, the rebound comes right back at him, he runs away from it like it’s on fire and Obi has to dash over and save the ball before it goes out of bounds…
Kemba at least tries to get rebounds unlike our other guard
Hi Cyber! Nice win for Porto 🙂
Does Fournier ever take a shot with his feet set?
He’s practically always leaning, taking a side step etc…
Burks def has a bit of Randle in him on offense for sure
Amazing stuff … he runs away from most things on court …
Maybe Thibs decided Grimes isn’t available because it looks like Danuel House is about to check in.
That’s what I’m choosing to believe anyway.
Thanx Max! Always nice to win against our Celtics/Lakers! ;D
“Strat has Thibs’ ear”
Don’t blame me for this one. lol
Most likely it’s Covid recovery conditioning.
Except Obi played.
I guess Grimes isnt available then
Randle in…offensive flow out
We should probably find a role for Kemba somewhere between “permanent DNP-CD” and “40 minutes per game as the primary ball handler”
Mitch against Gafford, this is interesting, let’s see how this plays out
I was gonna watch some of this. Then I saw Kyle Kuzma and was like no thanks.
For a moment i thought Eddie House was a Knick again. 😀
Grimes was warming up, so who knows…
Building up that trade value at least
Nice defensive transition for Randle…
Is he pissed that Kemba’s shooting too much?
Someone remind me why Kemba was totally out of the rotation? lol
Or scoring too much? 😛
still not sure what a foul is anymore
Because in the beginning of the season he never played like this. 😛
CARDIAC KEMBA
Well Thibs looks really silly right now
Max Kemba! 😀
We could use some passing but can’t be mad at Kemba
Maybe we should keep Kemba?
lmao
Uh huh
Kemba can’t shoot like that all game long (see the third quarter in Boston),
but how embarrassing is this for Thibs?
Well that was fun.
I might be good with “40 minutes per game as the primary ball handler.”
So nice the “Kem-ba Wal-ker” chants. He deserves it. Here’s hoping he can keep up this kind of play.
Kemba (in Mike Tyson voice):
“How dare you challenge me with your primitive skills?”
thibs got lots of egg on his face…
Fournier sucks eggs too…
Let’s face it, Kemba was so hot the only player that could have slowed him down is Frank!
lol
Obviously the shots are going in, but Kemba has looked reinvigorated post-banishing. He’s getting to the basket a bit more frequently and looks faster to me.
Hopefully when McBride gets back Thibs make sure to give Kemba some serious breathers because clearly he benefits from not being run into the ground.
Even having kemba in a 15 minute flamethrower off the bench role shouldve been fine but no our coach had to get his big guard for switching
It’s christmas… i’m going to say “yeah, only Frank the great would have stopped Kemba”!! 😉
Kemba still struggles on D but he can still score with the best of them. Knicks need a secondary scorer besides Randle and he fits the bill.
Thibs got to be flexible when everyone is back and ride the hot hand of Kemba. And admit when he may have benched the wrong guy (Fournier, bench – Burks starts with RJ)
I’m probably the only one that remembers that Tyson clip…
This was not the Kemba of the first 20 games…
My daughter just quipped “This is omicron Kemba…”
LOL! That’s funny!
Exactly.
if Randle can’t post kispert…well…that tells you all you need to know
To be honest…the “right” guy is Randle.
Please get Julius off this team
Embarrassing effort by Randle.
Wow, Julius is just pathetic
Randle doing what he can to make this a competitive game…
That’s sad …
Mitch with a bit more resistance from opponent … lo and behold ….
That Randle isn’t sitting for Obi is all on Thibs. Shame on you, coach.
Randle is done
Randle needs to see a shrink
Randle wants to play with Chet Holmgrem I’m guessing
breen..”Randle out of synch right now”….no shit
Randle’s playing worse now than he did for Fizdale.
If Randle was just some guy an objective observer might wonder how he’s on an NBA roster
Kemba Just had the highest scoring quarter in Knicks’ history? Wow!
Fournier is 0 for his last 9…
And Randle is just Randle…
Our defense couldn’t be any worse
The problem with letting a guy like Randle “shoot his way out of it” is the logic behind that only applies to guys who are actually good shooters
Kispert is a sniper
Who evens wants to see the playoffs with Randle as our #1 option
Just kinda one of those “wow” situations right now … words are wasted on this and don’t do it justice
Fournier LoL … you think guys salivate when they see him in defense …
Stop launching bricks from 3P land, Julius. Get near the hoop, please.
Neto kinda ended up in his landing area … I think so at least
Again, they’re playing like kindergarteners and the only Thibs change this whole quarter was Sims for Mitch.
“Blows past Fournier”
Fournier and Randle are a fucking clown show … all over the damn court
Randle and Fournier = Dumb and Dumber
Thibs benched a guy going for 50 points
Fournier and Randle…the not so dynamic duo
I’m filled with rage …
Fournier and Randle did quiet the crowd, nice job guys…
“Crowd wants Walker to shoot every time…”
No, the crowd just doesn’t want anyone else to shoot.
His knees could explode
…………..
And of course now Thibs is going to play him so much his knee will blow out.
Fixing Randle is Thibs main job right now
Yea , classic
Randle will do it with a crowbar… He’s so pissed off…
Him and Fournier played like traffic cones all night long…
Ummmmm can someone please acknowledge Fournier turn to stone in the corner as that foreign fellow trotted by him
If there is a mental health and safety protocol, Randle should enter it. The man is lost.
Amen
Fournier and Randle have 19 points on 28 shots. Is that good?
Also, Randle again leading the entire rest of the team in turnovers…
Will someone defend anyone please?
One on one on one on one
come on mitch
mitch stans are quiet tonight…
Um, Grimes for Fournier, anyone?
Can’t shoot worse, and maybe plays just a little defense?
This is getting too painful. Time for reruns of “My Mother the Car”
Playing Toppin without a “real” PG is a waste, no one look for cuts, backdoors and fastbreaks…
We suck bottom line … Burks doesn’t pass … Mitch has to cover for Fournier since anyone can blow right by him … that guy is Horse shit and that’s probably too nice since manure has value
Our two players making the most $ are playing terrible on both sides of the ball. I’ve never seen Fournier look worse on D.
100% … 1,000,000%
I don’t want to make the guy feel bad about himself but
obi with the john collins short roll pass
Great pass from Obi, let’s keep him in the game
Slow down with the assists guys
Obi to Mitch makes my night
mitch..yells…”in yo face zman”…as he dunks it through!
Casper is one for ten and has played almost thirty five minutes so far. You can’t win if you play four against five. Once Thibs took him out, the Knicks went on a run 6-0. Gee, where have I seen that before?
It’s says quite a bit that we probably need Dotson to play one of our most important defensive roles tonight, aka staying with kispert…
My name is Damyean Dotson and I am better than Casper.”
(Loving the ghost angle…)
Randle ready to check in …. For Mitch I presume
kemba missed mitch on the roll there
Mitch doesn’t like teams that box out
Kemba has to hit mitch on that pnr
Thibs is a joke
Burks is a joke now too
Proven fact: the louder the “defense” chants the higher the likelihood that the opponent’s next shot goes in
It’s too loud we can’t communicate
Burks steps back and takes yet another dumb shot
Kemba is understandably absolutely gassed
Did Randle actually throw the ball over his shoulder at the basket?
Yea … I’m not even mad he takes that last shot since everyone else is garbage … Fournier is back guys !!!!
Fournier with his worst game of the season, unable to score and terrible on defense.
Playing Dotson over him was Thibs’ best move of the night.
I still don’t get the Grimes situation, if he can’t play why say he’s available?
Edit: Fournier scored his next shot of course…
Such control
The “Kemba scored 50 but we lost” game
Randle will probably never make a three again, but he’s still so much better than Fournier…
Edit: lol of course
Randle getting at the boards at least
Credit where it’s due, Randle has been much better since coming back in
Just tuned in to hear Breen say, “Walker has played forty minutes.” Wha?
Doesn’t matter that Fournier hits that’s 3… the foreign fellow blew right by him to get assist to holiday … my haterade is delicious
Hard to win with a completely useless bench but this still is a game we really needed
We still cant guard the 3
Randle sleeping on kuzma
In hindsight it was a mistake to re-sign Burks and Noel instead of the invisible sixth man
Game over
Randle belated hand up
Good for the accidentank but would have liked to win on Kembas big night
Another shitty home loss
I’m sorry but an out-of-shape, asthmatic Grimes is better than the 2-12, utterly nonexistent ghosting on D by Fournier.
The one to Robinson was Randle’s first assist of the night.
I’m watching the Wiz broadcast. Is it a thing now to have splitscreen commercials during the final minute a fucking NBA game?
And if Obi had played most of the third instead of Randle we’d be up by 5 just from addition by subtraction.
Can we send Fournier and Randle to H&S before the Hawks game?
Or is it better to let them lead us to a top-5 pick?
anyone wants to join me on the island of “please trade Fournier ASAP” ?
No D = No W.
As simple as that.
For my health and safety, they both need to go into protocol.
Has any team ever got back from a 5 pt deficit without the ball? Why do we extend this games that are already lost is mind boggling to me.
EDIT: with 10 seconds remaining, i mean.
Mitch had a tough game, but he wa sgoing up against one of the best front lines in the NBA
Checking the box. 3rdQ? WTF?
Of all the stupid, bad losses this season tonight might be the most disheartening.
Randle couldn’t be a worse #1 option than he is right now. Maybe the worst I’ve ever seen.
Fournier was an unmitigated disaster, he deserve a punitive benching.
But if you haven’t seen the game and look at the boxscore you can think that Randle had a decent game, instead he stunk again, badly.
Meanwhile the Wizards looked like fun to watch.
And i noticed what you usually remind us about, Max. He padded the stats in the final seconds, when the game was lost.
Casper has been the weakest link throughout this season. He had about four games when he shot the ball well and that was it. I can’t believe they gave him 80 million, I can’t believe Thibs okayed such trade (I doubt it), and I can’t believe he is still in the rotation.
Glad I accidentally fell asleep right before the game started. What a waste this team is.
Always surprising when Breen makes anything even approaching a negative remark about the team (unless he’s talking about effort) so I was surprised to hear him repeatedly bring up how the Wiz were missing Beal.
You know how after a an accident has been cleared, traffic still slows down at that spot for hours? It sorta feels like Carmelo was the accident, and even with him long gone and a whole new roster, the team still plays like it did when he was here… lots of tough shots that go in impressively frequently but not enough to compete with the other team’s ability to generate easy shots. Also, way less fun to watch than the other team.
Kemba with 44, 9 REB (!!!), 8 AST and he was plus 4, so we were outscored by 11 points in his 5 minutes on the bench…
To waste a performance like this is a basketball sin.
Randle wishes he was on Melos level
Serious question, has Randle ever been asked “why do you rarely drive to the rim?” At this point if he just played exactly like he did from 2017-2019 we’d be way better off.
Great game for explaining why there should be gun control and why I should not be GM. Because I want to shoot Thibs, and then fire him.
Next practice I want a coach to throw the ball off the backboard and make Evan run TOWARD it, not run away from it like a frightened colt. Over and over.
Two good things about that game. One, Kemba. the other, MSG loudly booed Randle.
Feels like Evan runs away from a looseball that is clearly there for him to take once a game
Thing is, it doesnt look like regression. It looks like a completely different guy, like a Noah Vonleh level player, trying to be a star. It’s really disturbing.
How many games you think Kemba has left in him playing this many minutes?
I’d go with something in the single digits.
Thing is, Noah Vonleh would at least try when the ball’s not in his hands. Julius seems like he’s completely checked out.
Meanwhile Fournier seems like he’s overdosing on xanax. Those two utterly unforced fumbles were Sanchez level.
Randle is now shooting the 2nd worst since his rookie year from the field, the most turnovers per game in his career, and the 2nd least fouls per game of his career (lackadaiscal D) one season removed from an All-NBA selection. He has to be the worst “best” player on an NBA team and it’s not even close. Tank Commander.
We really need to move both him and Evan Fartnier. The latter who can’t guard a cone. What a waste of a great game by Kemba. This team just needs to go into full tank and the team needs to get blown up.
I don’t understand how I could have disliked Gary Payton so much. His son is so charismatic out there. He’s like Kemba Walker in a headband.
Tremendously awful loss.
Thing is, if the team just disappeared Julius, Fournier, and maybe even RJ at this point, they would probably win more games.
holy cow, great game by kemba – very nice…put on a great show…love how he’s going low on getting around the screen…
he must have seriously lubed up them ankles tonight…
man, gangrene nuts doesn’t seem to wanna either defend or rebound…fudge, even if his shot does fall, he can’t defend, and he refuses to rebound…he legit sucks…
randle looks like he has both his shoelaces tied together…i don’t want to start guessing at all the possible reasons he looks worse than a year one kevin knox out on the court…
what’s with taj and all the quick and silly fouls lately…
i ain’t ready to proclaim the ship be sinking, but – if rotten balls, randle and RJ keep eating up major minutes – we are heading for the lottery…
that would be a bit disappointing…plenty of time though between here and there…at worse we get another pick, play the young guys more, and maybe move on from whoever still sucks by the end of the season…
This honestly feels worse than 13-14 because we really had reasonable arguments to be hyped about this team, it’s just all falling apart in the worst ways in pretty much every aspect. Fournier playing like his career worst year, Randle heavily regressing in every way, injuries, covid, Barrett regressing, the defense is gone, it’s all gone to shit at the same time. It’s like every worst possible scenario happening at the same time, or losing every coin flip in a 6 or 7 sequence. I’m not even angry, I’m just sad and demotivated at this point.
I think we nailed 6 – 7 heads in a row last year, this year is just a return to normal.
Flip 1: Randle hits 40% from 3
Flip 2: he hits 50% from midrange
Flip 3: RJ hits 40% from 3
Flip 4: The invisible 6th man
Flip 5: Derrick Rose mostly healthy
Flip 6: No covid protocols
Flip 7: Randle giving a shit on defense
Well last year no one here was correct about how many games we would win—we won more than anyone expected. This year we’re all wrong again, it’s going to be worse than anyone expected. I guess it’s Karma.
It really looks like it, but damn, it’s disheartening to see it all go to shit so fast.