Knicks Morning News (2017.09.28)

  • [NYPost] Jeff Hornacek: Kurt Rambis not in charge of Knicks ‘D’ anymore
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:49:47 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek indicated Kurt Rambis won’t be in charge of the defense this season, losing his title of defensive coordinator. The Knicks head coach said it will be done by committee. In the opening week of last season, with the defense struggling, Hornacek said Rambis would be the assistant in charge of defense. Things improved…

  • [NYPost] The incredible rise and fall of Long Island kid Rick Pitino
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:57:43 PM)

    Rick Pitino’s career may have come to a sad close Wednesday afternoon. If this was it, the Hall of Fame coach raised on Long Island wasn’t on the court barking out instructions when the clock hit triple zeroes. It was in a quick meeting with University of Louisville interim president Greg Postel, a day after…

  • [NYPost] Frank Ntilikina looks like a ‘young Kyrie Irving’: Knicks mentor
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:07:34 PM)

    Knicks veteran point guard Ramon Sessions is here as rookie Frank Ntilikina’s mentor and is already raising the stakes on the 19-year-old’s potential. Sessions already sees some Kyrie Irving in Ntilikina, the 6-5 point guard from France whom the Knicks drafted with the No. 8 pick in the 2017 draft. Signed for the $2.3 million…

  • [NYPost] Michael Beasley has a solution for NCAA corruption scandal
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:16:51 AM)

    In criticizing the NCAA for being hypocritical, Michael Beasley said there would be no scandals such as the current one enveloping college basketball if the legislative body did the right thing and paid its players. Beasley said the NCAA is “making billions.’’ Beasley, the new Knicks forward, said he helped put Kansas State on the…

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Dwyane Wade and LeBron James Are About to Create an Act II, in Cleveland
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:39:53 PM)

    Seven years after joining forces in Miami, they’re staging a reunion with the Cavaliers. And Wade’s arrival will give Cleveland some needed depth.

  • [NYDN] Beasley addresses new NCAA scandal, calls for players to be paid
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:56:57 PM)

    While the lid has only recently been blown off NCAA basketball, Michael Beasley can attest the corruption is nothing new.

  • [NYDN] Ramon Sessions compares Frank Ntilikina to young Kyrie Irving
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:55:32 PM)

    Given Frank Ntilikina’s projections as a rangy defensive specialist, nobody has compared him to Kyrie Irving — except Ramon Sessions.

  • [NYDN] Jeff Hornacek says Kurt Rambis won’t run Knicks defense
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:49:53 PM)

    Kurt Rambis is no longer the lone voice of the defense.

  • [NYDN] Lance Thomas pens ‘Thank You, Melo’ essay after best pal traded
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:20:45 AM)

    Knicks forward Lance Thomas couldn’t let Carmelo Anthony leave New York without letting the world know what he meant to him.

  • [SNY Knicks] John Starks believes Knicks can make playoffs this season
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:49:25 PM)

    With the Knicks trading Carmelo Anthony, many believe that they aren’t a playoff team with their current roster, but Starks disagrees.

  • [SNY Knicks] Ramon Sessions: Frank Ntilikina has similarities to Kyrie Irving
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:19:08 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina has yet to play in a regular-season game with the New York Knicks, but one of his teammates is already giving the rookie high praises.

  • [SNY Knicks] The five biggest questions facing the Knicks
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 4:45:39 PM)

    SNY.tv takes a look at the five biggest questions for the Knicks heading into the 2017-18 NBA season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Beasley discusses NCAA scandal, says college athletes should be paid
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:15:53 PM)

    Knicks F Michael Beasley addressed the NCAA college basketball scandal on Wednesday and said college athletes should be paid.

  • [SNY Knicks] What is Carmelo Anthony’s Knicks legacy?
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:30:57 AM)

    After six and a half seasons and three playoff appearances, the Carmelo Anthony era with the Knicks is over.

  • [SNY Knicks] Timeout with Taylor Rooks: Knicks forward Michael Beasley
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:01:00 AM)

    In the latest episode of Timeout with Taylor Rooks, 8-year NBA veteran and Knicks forward Michael Beasley stops by SNY to discuss his unique fashion sense, the impact of certain words in the English language, and how he is impacted by his reputation around the league.

  • [NY Newsday] Rookie Frank Ntilikina impressing Knicks early
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:28:12 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Frank Ntilikina is wide-eyed on the court, watching and learning how to play the toughest position in the NBA for a rookie. But the teenage point guard from France also is opening some eyes with his play.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Michael Beasley says college players should be paid
    (Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:46:55 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Knicks forward Michael Beasley said he’s been paying close attention to the FBI investigation of bribery and fraud in college basketball recruiting, and he didn’t pass when asked about the process being corrupt.

  • 74 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.09.28)”

    Beasley may say some odd things, but I agree with him that college players should get paid, or at least get more support than thay do. Lots of other NBA players probably think the same way, but it took Beasley to say it (which maybe does make him odd)

    I just read the LT letter to Melo. Obviously great in lots of ways but two bits made me smile.

    1) ‘you included me in the flow of the offense’. I.e. you let me clear out with the other guys while you iso’d For a long 2.

    2) ‘you fave me defensive assignments to help me shine’. I.e. I always guarded the better forward because you couldn’t/couldn’t be bothered

    Nice.

    very weird Kyrie Irving comparison for Ntilikina – you would think they couldn’t be any more different given body type and style of play. Hopefully he means that Frank’s handle has gotten really good, and that he knows how to finish in traffic now — and not that he goes iso all day long or couldn’t give a rat’s ass on defense.

    Still – you get the sense there is a lot of optimism re Ntilikina after 2 days of camp. Can’t wait for that 1st preseason game, although it’s at the same time as the Yankees wild card game!

    (Btw I really like how MLB structured the playoffs. Teams still have huge incentive to be division winners, but teams that are just unlucky to be in the same division as another great team still get a shot)

    The MLB playoff structure isn’t awful, but I hate allowing a one-game playoff to determine so much. Baseball is random as hell–when the worst team in the league beats the best in a single game no one bats an eye. As for solutions, I really liked this idea by Fangraphs’ Travis Sawchik: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-improve-the-wild-card-round/

    Given the scheduling constraints, I think it’s the best idea I’ve seen so far.

    Long story short, I do not want this awesome Yankees season to end at the hands of the mediocre ass Minnesota Twins.

    Good news about Rambis not being in charge of the defense. Hopefully this downgrade is a sign he’s on the chopping block.

    @4 – yes i do like that Fangraphs idea – although the inverse of the problem with the current structure (unfair to a 98 win team to lose in a 1-game series to an 86 win team) could be that both wild card teams have the same record, and is it fair that a team with the same # of wins but who lost some obscure tiebreaker has to win 2 games on the other team’s home turf?

    What happens if, hypothetical, doncic announced to the world a few weeks prior to the draft that he only wants to play for one team… would other teams not draft him?

    Via some numnut on Deadspin:

    I suppose, if you wanted to, you could heap scorn on Melo for waiting until he’d landed on a star-studded Western Conference contender to discover the personal flexibility to make a change [to the 4] he should have embraced more than a half-decade ago, but I prefer to enjoy a nice hearty laugh at the Knicks’ expense. There’s something wonderfully fitting about the eternally self-sabotaging, backward-looking Knicks, an organization that has not been able to muster more than a coughing, spasmodic hurr the magic of the Garden to justify its own existence since before the dawn of this millennium, losing whole years to Phil Jackson’s 1996-ass basketball takes and Melo’s stubborn rejection of trends older than his legal ability to buy a beer. The Knicks are purgatory; they make even Oklahoma City look like paradise.

    The utter contempt that the media has for our franchise is amazing.

    What happens if, hypothetical, doncic announced to the world a few weeks prior to the draft that he only wants to play for one team… would other teams not draft him?

    Hey, it worked for Lonzo Ball.

    What happens if, hypothetical, doncic announced to the world a few weeks prior to the draft that he only wants to play for one team… would other teams not draft him?

    If teams thought he was the best player, I’d imagine that they’d all just call his bluff.

    What happens if, hypothetical, doncic announced to the world a few weeks prior to the draft that he only wants to play for one team… would other teams not draft him?

    if he ever wants to play in the NBA, he’ll have to play for the team that drafts him. They’ll have rights to him forever. Zero leverage.

    I think the only way to go back into the draft (where you could be drafted by another team you don’t want to play for) is to sit out of all professional basketball for a year. no one is going to do that especially given you don’t become a free agent if that happens, you just go back into the draft.

    Of course, Lonzo Ball had one major advantage that Doncic doesn’t – his father’s big crazy mouth.

    sounds like a great ESPN doc
    ‘Fuck every team trying to draft me except NY or how I saved the world : the Luka doncic story’

    Lonzo’s Dad’s big mouth didn’t get the Lakers the second pick-that’s why he’s in LA. That and because Philly/Boston screwed up (imho).

    I thought reub was banned.

    Seriously, how pathetic is it for a grown ass man to be banned from an internet forum where just about nobody likes him, and to then return under a new name with the same shtick a few months later?

    Very pathetic. Very pathetic indeed. Oh well. It was nice here for a while.

    this quote from this article though!

    Notable Additions: Frank Ntilikina (draft); Tim Hardaway Jr. (traditional Knicks free-agent overpay); Ramon Sessions (traditional Knicks washed free agent); Michael Beasley (free-agent prophet from the year 3018); Enes Kanter (trade via OKC); Douglas “McBuckets” McDermott (trade via OKC)

    LOL

    @20
    You can’t spell johnnyhoops without reub. Or so I’ve heard.

    Ball only got away with it b/c the team he wanted to be on picked 2nd. If he wanted the Knicks or T-Wolves, his bluff would’ve been called. Didn’t Rubio try something similar years ago?

    If there is a team in the top 4 picks or so that he prefers, Doncic could try it, I guess.

    If your team is in baseball’s wildcard game, it’s because they failed the regular season’s main objective to win your division. It’s your second chance! It’s corny and entitled to complain about the quality of your second chance.

    If our team plays half as good as they write…

    wow, he is taking likable to new levels. please be good.

    This forum is very anti Phil biased.

    Everyone suffers from biases, myself included. Once you get a conclusion in your head your brain will interpret/spin everything to reinforce that conclusion

    The board is biased, but that’s because we watched, with absurdly tight scrutiny, Phil make bad move after bad move for years. That’s not a random bias based in ignorance or preconceived notions of what “bad moves” are. That is drawing logical conclusions from loads of available data.

    The board is biased, but that’s because we watched, with absurdly tight scrutiny, Phil make bad move after bad move for years.

    Phil got more benefit of the doubt than any other human on Planet Earth ever would have gotten at this job. I’m serious. Lots of people– myself included– stuck with him through a lot of nonsense, because 13 ringzz and all that. I wasn’t convinced he was a complete fucking idiot until the Rose and Noah signings. But that was the breaking of the dam for me. That was when it became completely clear that the man was a terrible POBO. And ever since then I have roasted him mercilessly, along with many others on here who are simply being honest. Phil’s tenure as Knicks GM deserves every bit of the ridicule and scorn it receives.

    objectively Phil did a couple good things but mostly did bad things. the only reason one could consider him anything but an abject failure is because of the ridiculously low bar all the previous GMs of the last 20 years set for him.

    in addition to bad personnel moves, he also forced a style of play that his players and coaches rebelled against, undermined his hand-picked head coach, and said such patently absurd things in the media that the Knicks became even more of a laughingstock in the eyes of NBA fans and players. Considering we were already a laughingstock before that, that was really a special accomplishment.

    Did he not trade any picks away? yes, but literally 90% of the posters here could do that too.
    Did he make a couple good picks? yes

    but that doesn’t absolve him from all the bad stuff. on balance he was terrible.

    Melo just said there was a deal on draft night to send both him and Paul George to the cavs that was done and then cancelled at the last minute.

    The Frenchise is a smart dude with a very humble attitude. What’s there not to love about the kid? With his tools and attitude, he’ll go far in this league. BTW, how well written was that article, huh? Its better than 99% of the shit written about the Knicks by NY beat reporters and the author was writing in a second language.

    Pt – That’s the French in him, those damn frenchies and their good words. But in all seriousness even if he isn’t good right away, he seems to have the attitude to eventually reach goodness, and god willing, greatness. Even if it’s not at PG.

    I’m 99% sure I’ve read that Players Tribune articles are ghostwritten following an interview with the athlete.

    @32
    Very likely ghost-written. It is a well-written piece of propaganda, which is fine. Frank is coming off as very likable!

    Any details on the rumored draft night swap of Melo?

    It’s possible that Ntilikina was actually hampered by his team’s rigid system and will actually be able to excel under Hornacek’s free flowing offense. He may be better than we know or realize.

    Melo just said there was a deal on draft night to send both him and Paul George to the cavs that was done and then cancelled at the last minute.

    I wonder who backed away

    Melo also has kind of confirmed the “two yard line” rumor by saying that a deal with Houston was pretty much done at one point.

    @35
    It’s been pretty widely reported that The Player’s Tribune ghostwrites most of its articles. The NY Times noted that a couple of years ago. I believe they use recorded interviews with players.

    Ghostwriting has been widely used by celebrities for articles and books since, well, forever. No harm in admitting that, and Frank’s quotes and thoughts in the article may very well be him 100%.

    KP had injured his knee in Eurobaskets 2017 which is why the team didn’t want him participating. Hopefully it’s not serious.

    Xenophobia is real. People assume American kids are “ruff rydah’s” and French kids are “soft” despite all the evidence to the contrary. I’m not making any calls either way until I see the kid play in a NYK uniform. He’s obviously the most important addition to the club at a position of need. I do get a bit pissed when people post how we have no point guards. There’s a good chance we solved that problem. I understand people assuming the worst because we’ve not been good for a long time.

    As to Kanter, I think he’s a good player but I also think there will be times he won’t play. Most players have bad matchups for them. It’s the coach’s job to maximize his value and put him in spots where he’ll be successful. I can’t imagine him being a net negative on defense in all situations.

    The comments on Rambis are reassuring. Sounds like the team has a plan for how they want to play and time to implement it. Imagine, three weeks into the season, changing everything on the fly. For once we have all our bodies healthy, in camp, and buying into the system with no player being bigger than the team. Positive signs…

    good stuff

    If our team plays half as good as they write…

    thanks again for a great link totes…whoever it may be writing is doing a fantastic job – i really appreciate frank’s story…i may have gotten a little more dust in my eye with the whole mom thing…

    i know it may not be the most popular of views – but, very glad to read your words and hear your thoughts johnnyhoops…

    statistical analysis. humor. knicks…can’t tell you how much i appreciate this particular community…i’m really glad i stepped out my comfort zone (bit of a social hermit) to participate here…

    it takes two to tango (in this case it’s more like one of those crazy square dance things – did anyone else have to take square dancing in school when they were a kid – god i must be getting old)…although, yeah, some people can definitely instigate better than others…

    forgive, let go, move on, move forward…i think the point which was trying to be made – was…

    kicking folks when they are down – has never been very cool to me…

    this particular site – with a decidedly hard, but, educated tone is a special and unique environment…

    35 – alcohol, I reckon. It seems to be this blogs poison of choice.

    “Bahhhh, it’s too good to be true”
    “Mehhhh, too many good words, a basketball player only needs to know how to PLAY HARD”
    “Ughhh, the Knicks are bad, all your PGs belong to us”

    42 – yes, but don’t get too educated, lest you be called pretentious. we like our analysis undertstandable dammit….

    This forum is very anti Phil biased.

    I still think Phil gets *too* much credit.

    One of the best things people cite about his tenure is that he didn’t trade any first round picks. But here’s what we know:

    – Summer of 2013: Knicks trade 1st round pick for Andrea Bargnani.

    – November of 2013: Dolan hires McKinsey to do a comprehensive analysis of their basketball failures.

    – December 2013: Dolan refuses to give up first round pick in trade for Kyle Lowry.

    – Since the hiring of McKinsey, we haven’t traded a first round pick.

    There is also a source who told Jared Zwerling of Bleacher Report that McKinsey told him directly to stop trading picks:

    https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234494/Ujiri-Luckily-For-Raptors-Kyle-Lowry-To-Knicks-Trade-Didnt-Happen

    Even if you don’t believe Zwerling’s source, there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that the Knicks made an organizational decision to stop trading away first round picks *before* Phil Jackson came here.

    35 – alcohol, I reckon. It seems to be this blogs poison of choice.

    hmmmmm, how interesting plenty – i too like to categorize people by their vices of choice…very revealing, it is…

    but don’t get too educated, lest you be called pretentious. we like our analysis undertstandable dammit….

    ooh baby, i like it raw…

    yeah, it’s early – but, i’m already trying to forecast whom i can dump on (no phil, rose or melo) when the losses start piling up…

    Reading Frank’s article, it reinforces something about him that I can’t help but notice time and again:

    He wants, more than anything else, to succeed in his dream.

    It’s hard not to root for guys like that.

    I mean, even if the Frank article was indeed ghost written, I’m more happy about the content. A family coming from such a horrible situation, learning to focus on what they dreamt of and working to achieve those goals, and how this experience seems to have left deep memories in his head. It seems they are doing great now, which is heartwarming to say the least.

    Like everything surrounding Frank so far, it’s more good indications of a kid who has the right priorities and right mindset and this goes a long way towards being a successful player.

    i may have gotten a little more dust in my eye with the whole mom thing…

    Ha! Isn’t that a coinkidink? I think I may have either gotten dust in mine too or walked into a spider web lol

    @1 Beasley, @2 Thomas, @3, Sessions – These made me think. “These are the types of vets that the Knicka have helping them groom our kids.

    @4 – I agree. I’ve thought about it in the past and never came up with that solution but I was always thinking about double-elimination tournaments. Must’ve been a mental block since a team that I managed lost a double-header to a team we defeated earlier in the all-star tourney. The went on to the Eastern regional finals. I take solace in the fact thwt their clean-up hitter is now in the majors.

    @17 – Awesome! That story sounds legit. If by “ghostwritten” we mean transcribed, with an edit or two, that’s fine by me. You’ve gotta root for the kid.

    I hate to hear “KP” and “knee” at the same time…can we move on from Melo? He’s gone … It’s about time Rambis gets phased out. The last sentence of the NYDN aritical points to failed leadership in my mind and indicts Hornecek. It said:

    Nothing worked, however, and Hornacek often questioned the efforts of players.

    Willy, KP, Kanter, THJr and Frank are five dynamic young players. Obviously they don’t blend well together (at least up front) but it’s a start.

    Xenophobia is real. People assume American kids are “ruff rydah’s” and French kids are “soft” despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    Are you sure people are doing this? French basketball is held in high regard. They’ve come a long way since Frederic Weiss.

    My favorite part of that Frank article:

    So when we got to the greenroom, I told my agent, “Whatever happens, do not tell me! I know that one guy is going to be breaking the news on Twitter, and I don’t want to ruin the moment. Just let me hear it from the commissioner.”

    How do you say Woj Bomb in French?

    I imagine almost all Players Tribune articles are, indeed, dictated to a writer who cleans it up, but I don’t think that’s really the same thing as ghost written. Now, Kobe’s retirement poem? That was totally, embarrassingly ghost-written.

    Good ghostwriters take someone’s words and help them organize them; they don’t create a voice out of whole cloth. So it is likely that what we are reading is Frank’s own thoughts and perceptions, cleaned up and refined. Add to that his personal memories and very real story of struggle and achievement and you have something pretty special. I’m all in on the kid whether he turns out to be good or not.

    The lottery reform probably would have helped us this year actually, as I don’t think we’ll be bottom-3 bad, but could be bottom 5-6.

    @56
    Agreed. Ghostwriting is one step up from editing, but the line can get blurry. I did both in my teaching years.

    Frank seems like a great guy. This team should be very easy to like and root for.

    James Dolan could have written me a check if all he needed to be told was “you’ve been exploited by giving away first round picks.”

    Also, Dan Gilbert is the reason the trade fell through and is probably the reason Kyrie Irving demanded a trade. That 7 team trade that Griffin was working on when he got fired? Yup. That’s probably the same trade. Kyrie Irving was rumored to be a goner in that trade, too.

    @4 – yes i do like that Fangraphs idea – although the inverse of the problem with the current structure (unfair to a 98 win team to lose in a 1-game series to an 86 win team) could be that both wild card teams have the same record, and is it fair that a team with the same # of wins but who lost some obscure tiebreaker has to win 2 games on the other team’s home turf?

    If you’re going to have a second Wild Card, it should be worth less than the first in a more significant way than playing on the road for a single game. I think that’s true regardless of what the records are, though the Yankees/Twins situation this year is admittedly infuriating.

    Another idea I’ve toyed with is having a cut off (say, 87 wins but that’s completely arbitrary) for the second Wild Card to even exist in a given year. That will never happen, but it might be the best way to control the quality of teams in the playoffs.

    There’s probably no really good draft lottery than can be conceived.

    My idea is that the bottom 10 teams (worst 5 in each conferences) get in the lottery. The worst team gets 10 lots, the second worst 9 lots, all the way down to the 10th worst getting 1 lot. Put them all in and draw. 55 lots total, at start. When a team gets pulled, yank out all its remaining lots and draw again. Simple.

    The bottom 4 teams in each conference have one game playoffs to cut to the 8 team field. Then do the 1-8, 2-7 pairings and go on from there. One game is not fair? Then get a better team to make the top 6 in your conference.

    Quite frankly, I’ve wasted a lot of time on the Phil debate. I’ll move on.

    I’m just happy that for the first time in a long time we have bright high character players with a strong work ethic like Porzingis, Hernangomez, and Ntlikina as the core of our future despite not having two first round draft picks in recent years.

    I’m happy we have a couple of young players that might surprise us to the upside and become solid role players like Dotson and Baker.

    I’m happy we have all our draft picks going forward.

    I’m happy we still have a decent cap position despite two off season overpays for Hardaway and Baker by new management.

    I’m happy Perry didn’t do anything foolish in the Melo trade and we are past that.

    I’ll take it all.

    We are in the best position we’ve been in since this forum started. You guys can give credit to whoever you want. I don’t really care. I think I know why we are here.

    Are you sure people are doing this? French basketball is held in high regard. They’ve come a long way since Frederic Weiss.

    Yeah, Hue, Racism is dead too, right? 😉

    Naw, I’m just screwing with you. I get your point. But I do think there was some bias going on with the Mavs “uproarious laughter” comments, the kid’s lack of votes in player polls, comments here, and the hype surrounding DSJr…

    There’s definitely an anti-European bias among NBA fans. How can any Knicks fan deny this when the video of KPs draft selection is on Youtube showing an entire arena of know-nothing fans booing his selection? Hell, I remember the dolts on ESPN making a reference to Frederick Weiss that night. You think much has changed since 2015?

    There’s definitely an anti-European bias among NBA fans. How can any Knicks fan deny this when the video of KPs draft selection is on Youtube showing an entire arena of know-nothing fans booing his selection?

    Why do u keep trying to push this narrative? Honestly? I totally disagree. The spurs have had foreigners as the bedrock of their teams since drafting Duncan.

    Why do u keep trying to push this narrative? Honestly? I totally disagree. The spurs have had foreigners as the bedrock of their teams since drafting Duncan.

    The average fan isn’t the Spurs front office tho. The soft euro steretype is still prevalent among fans and the media.

    It happens every draft, fans won’t be familiar with euro players and the media will argue that “not much is known” about these guys and how they are uncertainties, when good scouting departments should have as much tape of them or much more than of college freshmen (Doncic for example played 67 games for Real Madrid alone last season). Even Ntilikina who didn’t play many minutes played 32 games for Strasbourg, which is pretty much the same as guys like Fultz or Smith.

    The stereotypes are definitely still widespread amongst fan bases and media people. It’s just that front offices have mostly realized how bullshit they are and have been regarding euro prospects better in the last decade.

    Why do u keep trying to push this narrative? Honestly? I totally disagree. The spurs have had foreigners as the bedrock of their teams since drafting Duncan.

    The Spurs don’t get really high draft picks and the NBA world trusts their judgement. So they can pick someone relatively unknown and the pundits say, well maybe he’s good. The Knicks never get the benefit of the doubt and people generally think they must be wrong. For example, they assume that the Mavericks couldn’t have been serious about Ntilikina even though they sent a high level team to scout him. That’s because people assume the Knicks choice must be bad and make up possibilities to support that assumption.

    There were numerous euros drafted in the top 10 in the 2000s.

    Ntskitisvili
    Barganani
    Milicic

    Of the top of my head. These guys were terrible. So of course people would be weary of Euros. That’s not a bias. That’s looking at evidence and not being sure if you understand how these players will perform against NBA talent.

    Slowly the league started drafting euros High in the draft again just not top 5 high.

    Then you had KP go top 5 and Luka Donicic, the concensus best player

    @71

    From 2000 to 2010, these are the euros drafted in a top 10 spot:
    Pau Gasol
    Tskitishvilli
    Milicic
    Bargnani
    Gallinari
    Rubio

    2 of them were clear busts, Darko and Nikoloz. Gasol was a star right away, Rubio stayed in Europe for 2 and has been good since he came and Gallinari is a good player. Bargnani was drafted first in a very weak draft and wasnt terrible until he got injured and became a horrible player.

    The evidence you’re talking about doesnt sustain itself. Why would people be wary of euros just because some of them were busts? There were countless american busts on those years too.

    If anything, teams were wary of the Fran Vazquez / Sergio Llull situation, which is actually relevant (a star euro not wanting to leave europe).

    European players had historically had a higher bust rate, up until at least 2012. I don’t know what the stats have been for the last five years. They might have improved. In any event, there was a statistically relevant difference between NCAA players and European players, bust rate wise, for many years. That’s likely where the bias comes from.

    I would say that there is no bias simply due to the Olympics and world championships. The Americans haven’t blown the competition. Away anymore. Everyone sees the world is catching up.

    What is the bias? I just don’t even understand the conversation. KP was booed because NY fans are morons who like to boo. No one said he was soft or sucked. They said he was a project

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