2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks @ Suns

Tonight, the Knicks travel to Phoenix to take on the shitty Suns in the third game of this road trip, which has gone very well so far.

The Knicks get Golden State next, so it would be good for the Knicks to win tonight to get to five games over .500. Five games over .500! Can you imagine that?!?! That would be amazing. Hell, I’m super pumped about them being four games over .500! So come on, Knicks, take advantage of another shitty team!

Every game between now and Christmas (including Christmas’s game) I’ll feature a clip from a 1970s Christmas special.

Today, we take a look at the 1974 Perry Como Christmas Special, where Rich Little plays Jack Benny (Jack Benny’s shtick was that he was really cheap) as Santa Claus. Check out the hilarious off-the-cuff reaction of a little extra. It’s annoyingly not embeddable.

Let’s go, Knicks!

463 replies on “2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks @ Suns”

Knicks are due to lose one of these “easy” games. Looks like tonight might be the night after this embarrassing start.

Suns will fade. They suck. We need to get our shit together though.

Totally. No way they shoot this well. We just have to hope that the Knicks make their shots.

Thing about Phoenix is they’re even worse on defense than we are so a comeback is eminently possible

They’re a terrible team, so while this opening sucked, I’m not overly concerned.

I’m on a feed that’s behind but
I love seeing players complain about picking up a foul after hitting Me lo because usually they get away with stiff like that.

I think we should have anticipated that we’d get torched by the dynamic duo of PJ Tucker and Marquese Chriss.

I know the Knicks plan to got to Melo at the end of qtrs but they should use him as a decoy because it seems like they have great success going away from him at the top of the key. To be fair Melo has hit his fair amount of shots to close out qtrs this year too.

O’Quinn’s made a believer of me.

He’s almost single-handedly keeping them in it.

Hey, I was sure that they’d beat the Kings and the Lakers and they did beat them! Positivity is okay! 🙂

I love shitty team’s benches, because when the starters are bad, the bench tend to be crazy bad!

I like Jennings, especially at the price, but it would be nice one day to have a point guard who could play just a little defense.

Yet for the moment their bench is extending the lead. As I type Brandon Jennings makes some plays.

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How many good defensive pgs are there out there that can contribute offensively? Lowry, Paul, Joseph and who else

What the hell happened with KOQ there. How does he ended up sprawled on the floor like that on a basic layup?

And yeah, second half is not happening.

Wow. Just tuning in, or rather trying as League Pass is awful again.

Rose is 0-6? Yikes.

KP is such a better defender when he’s around the basket. Why is he being assigned to chase some schlub stretch 4 around the perimeter? Give that shit assignment to Noah…

Now this is more like it! Shockingly, when they don’t hit every three pointer, they don’t look that good.

I do like Noah at least trying to take it to the hole when they don’t pay attention to him. He can’t shoot, obviously, but if you go right at the rim the defense has to react and he can pass

Here reason #1 why I was skeptical about signing Rose. He is injury prone as fuck and won’t get any younger.

At least it will be single digits at the half. Though for a minute it was looking like it might be a lead as they closed to four. On the Rose front, back spasms.

I do like Noah at least trying to take it to the hole when they don’t pay attention to him. He can’t shoot, obviously, but if you go right at the rim the defense has to react and he can pass

Yeah, I do like that about Noah. He’s not a dumb player. He’s just…well, you know, not aging in the best way possible.

Tyson Chandler makes no sense on this Phoenix team. He could so help a contending team! Look at the guy board!

True Story: Joakim Noah was an above average FT shooter most of his career.

Just remember – we traded the pick to get him during his physical prime and then signed him when he was washed up.

Never forget.

He’s gotta have something physically wrong, right?

You’d think, but maybe it’s just age?

I’m talking about free throw shooting. Noah’s not exactly washed up, even if he’s not the force he was in his prime. But he can’t shoot free throws at all anymore. Which is weird.

By the way, while it is absurd to be down 8 at the half, that’s still a very make-uppable deficit.

@Ras1980 -Man you’re in a foul mood!

Alan Thicke’s untimely demise has traumatized me?

I was actually watching some Growing Pains episodes recently and man, he was so much better than that show. It’s very sad that he died so relatively young.

What a weird season for Chicago, they’ve beaten the Spurs, Cavs and Jazz (on the road) and lost to Minnesota, Dallas and the Lakers.

Chriss should be thrown out and suspended for that cheap shot on KP

It’s smart to just go without a third point guard tonight, because they need to win this one. Let Sasha play on Thursday.

Tucker playing Melo tough. Noah has been a major factor these past few minutes in the Sun’s favor.

Shit, I think Tucker just got on to Melo’s “I have to shoot a gazillion times to show this punk up” shit list.

So Chandler is playing off Noah and clogging the paint because Noah won’t score from more than 2 ft. Noah is tossing the ball all over the place. Sit Noah, free Willy.

Don’t Tucker and Melo have some kind of history? He’s a very good irritant.

Th suns announcers are just hyping the shit out of Ron baker’s children’s book right now

I seriously wonder about dudes who tell me Noah hasn’t been that bad.

Who are these dudes and where did you find them?

I think it’s a board-wide consensus that Noah’s play has been subpar.

O’Quinn might have the highest productivity per dollar non rookie contract in the NBA

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that’s not the most ringing endorsement, but I could see how that bothers you.

I know you can’t win em all, but this is one of the worst teams we’ll play all season. Gotta take advantage, there’s plenty of automatic L’s down the road.

Losing this game wouldn’t bother me as much if we weren’t certain to get massacred on Thursday on national TV once again too. Gonna be unbearable to watch.

This team… not exactly built to function with only one healthy point guard.

There’s a difference between subpar and washed up

The only difference is that you think this quality of play is temporary while I see it as defining the rest of his NBA career.

This team… not exactly built to function with only one healthy point guard.

Yep. I wouldn’t have included this as a presumed win if I knew Rose was going to get hurt a minute into the game!

With all our recent discussion of extending/not extending Rose, back spasms are an ominous sign.

Randle call-up forthcoming?

At least the Knicks get the ball to start the fourth. So they can cut the deficit down.

I think Clyde was actually using it in the original sense of the term, i.e. the ladies were excited to get out there and dance. It did sound a little odd though.

BTW, I will defend Clyde Frazier to the death, except ever so occasionally about some fashion choices.

Noah earned at least this year of his contract tonight. He stopped our franchise player from getting a long term suspension. His maturity in the moment to just grab KP and prevent that situation from escalating was vital and so smart. We saw Jennings and others on the court (and off – Melo assailing the Suns bench) were willing to up the aggression for a short term benefit (joy of kicking their ass) and long term detriment (suspensions to good players, at least jennings and zinger.) Not a fan of Noahs play vs. his contract, but still glad we had him tonight. I’m a stat guy, but there is no stat for that. If we lose KP and Jennings for any period of time we are probably still good enough for a 8 seed or 9-10 finish, keeping us out of the high lottery but out of the playoffs.

uh don’t look know, but Ron Baker’s perimeter D is kind of stabilizing things

The only difference is that you think this quality of play is temporary while I see it as defining the rest of his NBA career.

Wut

Barbosa has had some very annoying baskets made to bail the Suns out of 24 second violations

I remember watching Barbosa when I was growing up. And I’m 60 now.

The only difference is that you think this quality of play is temporary while I see it as defining the rest of his NBA career.

wow that’s Theo-level dramatic

It’s unnerving to see the knicks in the bonus 3 minutes into a quarter while they still haven’t committed a foul. Makes me nervous for the apocolypse

Baker is already our best defending guard. I don’t think he’ll ever be a difference maker on offense but I think he can be serviceable once he gets used to the speed of the game. Wish he was a couple inches taller so they could get away with playing him at SG.

wow Allen “The Sheriff…’s Son” Williams with the axe bomber lariat to KOQ

I really hope our unicorn doesn’t mind playing second fiddle to our Minotaur for the next decade

I know that the Suns suck, but it was surprising to see that their coach is even shitty. “Everything seems to be going okay as these guys get annihilated. I better not change anything.”

Every time I think about giving up and going to bed this team comes back and stays in the game. Now with the lead. It will be interesting to see what horney does down the stretch. Will he go back with the starters?

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Baker is 6’3 with a 6’10 wingspan.

Taller and longer than Langston Galloway.

I have questions if he’s quick enough to guard wings, but he’s not at an fundamental physical disadvantage there.

KOQ does good things literally every time he comes into the game. When’s the last time he played 6 minutes and you were like, “Bad stretch by O’Quinn.”

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That’s what I’ve been saying. Ron is this year’s Landry. Gotta give him burn with the first unit and watch him fill the stat sheet. I believe.

Baker is making their point guards work hard and labor their way into the paint. Funneling them right into KP and O’Quinn.

case in point: how Baker shut down Bledsoe at the nail and kept him from attempting a midrange jumper

Landry Fields, what a sad story. Nerve damage in his elbow robbed him of his jumper and ultimately his career.

The last thing I want to see right now is Melo coming in to “save us” with a bunch of contested jumpers.

KP needs to learn to go slower when he is guarded by 2s/3s/1s. He just needs to take his time and get to the spot he wants then shoot over the top or force a double then make the right pass.

i’m not sure if we’re playing well or if the suns are starting to tank in december…

Melo for O’Quinn? Take out Lance Thomas if you have to put him in!!!

Well…he just got fouled on a 3 so maybe he’s great.

Three tough calls in a row on the Suns. The out of bounds, the foul and then the tech. That was practically the game right there.

What a bunch of bullshit the past three sequences have been. Get KOQ back in this fucking game, Hornacek.

That was practically the game right there.

You Cronin’d us again, Brian!

Hahah, oh man, they’re dumb! How do you not go for a 2 for 1 there? Hahah, Watson, you imbecile! Now win it here, KP!

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The heck? Baker and KOQ gave the Knicks their best chance to win

Easy opp for a 2 for 1 and Suns hold it just to get a terrible shot anyway

That was a special sort of stupid.

I know Melo took a bad shot but why do the knicks stay still when the defense shift their big to zone off Melo. Its like the knicks do not practice how to beat that.

The heck? Baker and KOQ gave the Knicks their best chance to win

And they were substituted down the stretch.

What the hell was that play? Started way too late.

I suspect that they’re pretty confident in playing the Suns in OT, so they just wanted to make sure whatever shot they took wouldn’t leave time left on the clock.

OVERTIME AUUUUGHHH

Good look, wouldn’t go down.

What’s so frustrating about Melo is that he has the court vision and passing ability to distribute the ball well. He just chooses not to.

The refs gift wrapped the game with that Tyson Chandler foul call and the Knicks handed it back.

The refs gift wrapped the game with that Tyson Chandler foul call and the Knicks handed it back.

Yeah, seriously, that sequence of events should have been the game.

Ron Baker, Corey Gaines, Howard Eisley, Sasha Vucevic all sitting on the same Knick bench. Man, that’s the stuff of nightmares.

Dudes, they’re up three points and there’s less than two minutes left. They can weather this.

Well, shit.

Never fear, friends. O’Quinn is the true key to this game.

Hang on guys….

Seriously, they have the ball. It’s a one point game. This isn’t dire straits here.

Is Devin Booker an overhyped chucker or is he the most overhyped chucker

A chucker who is overhyped.

That was…not the best offensive set they could have run.

Like, no one’s going to make a cut to bail KOQ out?

LOL I knew it was over for one reason many people don’t understand – KP is out best defender.

He kept the Suns guards from penetrating to the basket at will.

It’s hard to blame Melo for that shot not a lot was going on but we should’ve gotten it to New York Knicks best player Kyle O’Quinn

What a mental breakdown. Double teamed shot. Holliday and O’Quinn fighting over the ball with the shot clock winding down. Unfortunate.

if we can play koq at the high post like that we have so many more possibilities with the offense….

Sorry, you can’t tell me Melo isn’t to blame for no movement when the ball is in his hands on the weakside. The entire offense is conditioned to stand around and watch him isolate off the dribble.

I don’t know if he’s to “blame,” but yes, the Suns all knew he was going to shoot the ball there.

This would be a bad L, except for Porzingis.

I’d also like to see Baker get some more minutes in the future to see if he can relax on offense. Maybe give him some minutes at the 2

I think Melo is more to blame for a horrendous shooting night than that last iso.

I bet anyone $100 ‘Melo takes the last shot.

I’m going to pull a Jowles and not bet.

I actually liked that play call by Watson. He’s been awful tonight, but that foul was smart.

this sucks…how bad did rose look when he left – can he walk?

28 years old and experiencing back spasms…man, that may not be going completely away anytime soon…

hope he’s okay…

I kinda remember reading that one of the first things phil focused on was the medical staff..

Smart foul there by Chandler

Yeah, you’re right. I didn’t realize it was on KOQ at first.

Hornacek’s coaching has left much to be desired in this game.

He came up with the rotation that got them back into the game and he let Ron play. I think he should be commended for that rather than knocked for taking KOQ out after KOQ played a bunch of minutes it a row.

While that was a terrible loss, they did play without Rose for most of the game and they’re not built to be missing either of their starting point guards.

I hope that we start Baker next game if Rose can’t go. Jennings is much better off the bench.

blllleeeeeaaarrrrrghhhhhhhhhh

trying to decide if the Knicks making it exciting after 3 horrible quarters make up for this loss

KOQ had a great game

Baker was great if not in the game for a couple possessions too many

If KP doesn’t foul out I believe the Knicks win easily

Rose’s back spasm slashed NY’s chances of winning to begin with

still, this sucks

Has a team ever forfeited a game before?? The Knicks should honestly forfeit on Thursday, they’d be better off getting the extra rest.

Knicks have a clear need for a 3rd PG.

You think a Randle callup is forthcoming?

The O’Quinn-Porzingis frontline is a nice thing to have for at least the next two years I wish everyone else wasn’t falling apart

The Knicks should honestly forfeit on Thursday, they’d be better off getting the extra rest.

The likely possibility of extended garbage time by the 3Q makes it almost the same thing.

He came up with the rotation that got them back into the game and he let Ron play.

He also came up with the rotation that put us down in the game – especially rolling with Noah for so long.

Knicks have a clear need for a 3rd PG.

You think a Randle callup is forthcoming?

He’s really not a point, either.

I think they really should just get some veteran also-ran point. Someone like Toney Douglas. Just someone who you know won’t be awful if they had to come in to play. You know who would be a good guy to get? Prigs!

I don’t know how Randle played today but he hasn’t been that impressive for Westchester

Melo + some dumb mistakes by the back up PGs probably was the reason they lost. I would also add taking O’Quinn out instead of Holiday wasn’t smart either. Going forward if Rose is out it might be smart to just take out Jennings and go Lee and Holiday in the back court with Melo running the point. Lee and Holiday are capable of bringing the ball up the court at least and then just let Melo run the offense in the half court. It might even prevent iso-melo.

I’m a big Melo supporter but he’s been awful lately. He needs to get out of this shooting slump ASAP because hate him or not he’s still critical to this team’s chances of making the playoffs. He’s got to play better period.

Two things:

Melo isn’t very good at basketball anymore and his decline is going to be bad, bad bad.

At this point, there’s absolutely no reason Joakim Noah should start over KOQ

Let’s hope this at least marks the official end of Sasha’s reign as 3rd string PG.

Let’s hope this at least marks the official end of Sasha’s reign as 3rd string PG.

Seriously.

well if there’s any consolation … i hope it’s clear to horny that koq needs to see more time… if he sees 25+mpg then that should easily make up for this loss…

Norris Cole is out there. Jack. A kid for Rio Grande named Isiah Taylor is lighting up the D league.

this sucks…how bad did rose look when he left – can he walk?

28 years old and experiencing back spasms…man, that may not be going completely away anytime soon…

hope he’s okay…

If he had a history of having a bad back, that’d be one thing, but he doesn’t, so I’m not too worried, although yes, it’s certainly not good for him to miss three out of four games.

For what it’s worth I still think Hornacek is tinkering with lineups just to get a feel for possible combinations and to see whether Joakim Noah isn’t a slightly reanimated corpse.

The loss goes squarely on Melo’s shoulders.

Knicks win on Thursday by double digits.

The flashpoint is real.

Hey, the Knicks beat Memphis and Memphis kicked Golden State’s ass, so anything’s possible! But yes, it will probably not be pleasant to watch on Thursday.

Is Melo done? He has to stop shooting when he’s off or he’s a net negative.

Norris Cole is out there. Jack. A kid for Rio Grande named Isiah Taylor is lighting up the D league.

I’d be down with either Cole or Jack.

Knicks point guards 1-15. Combine that with Melo and you have a loss against a terrible team. If Rose is going to miss more time you have to think about waiving one of Sasha, Ndour or Baker (who just doesn’t look like an NBA player on the offensive end right now) and find someone who can play some point.

Melo wants things to be one way, but its another. He’s not the Alpha anymore. He’s shooting 37 percent in his past five games, not counting this one. He’s shooting under 42 percent for the season.

Hahn and Szczcerbiak have no fucking balls. Not a one of them point out how Melo cost us this game.

At this rate there is no way in hell Phil extends Melo’s contract without Dolan’s intervention.

melo’s prone to cold stretches…. i think it’s a combination of the playcalling also as he’s in obvious iso situations and he almost never passes when he puts his head down… horny deserves part of the blame for that but i don’t fault him too much given how much the offense was in flux early in the season…

Tough loss. Though with a healthy Rose, they win this game.
Despite that, KP had another big game, Ron Baker got off the pine in meaningful minutes, and maannn KOQ beasted, eh. Is this team *gasp* actually developing their bench?!?!?

Team defense, particularly on the perimeter, may be this team’s last frontier to take the next step into a solid 50+ win team. Where’s John Starks, Derek Harper, Chris Childs and Charlie Ward when you need em?

Mario Chalmers?

He’s not ready to go yet, is he? When he is, sure, but I suspect a team with cap room will get him.

I wouldn’t mind a Shane Larkin reunion. This is really just a “break in case of emergency” point here. Kirk Hinrich?

melo’s prone to cold stretches…. i think it’s a combination of the playcalling also as he’s in obvious iso situations and he almost never passes when he puts his head down… horny deserves part of the blame for that but i don’t fault him too much given how much the offense was in flux early in the season…

Which makes it bizarre that they didn’t throw a hard double at him on the shot that Melo hit to put the Knicks up. He was still going to shoot even if they had a hard double on him.

I’d be so much more understanding of Melo’s off nights if he would STOP TAKING THE SAME FUCKING SHOTS over and over again when he’s cold. His basketball IQ is so low in that one area. It’s been killing us for years and it’s only getting more pronounced as defenders play up on him because he only takes pull ups now.

Greivis Vazquez? Jorge Guiterrez has been okay in limited minutes? We seriously need a third dude here.

@398 – yellowboy, that sounds like the ticket right there…you have my vote.

do you think kp will ever develop a “handle”? he looks scary out there already…

there’s no reason to cut baker…. i would lean towards ndour getting the ax….

I like Baker, but I don’t think anyone would sign him if they cut him. So they could watch him in Westchester.

I mean don’t you just cut Sasha since there’s literally 0 chance of an upside surprise with him versus a + .00000000001% chance of an upside surprise with Baker and company?

Cut Sasha and hire him to be the Chief Euro Coordinator

I want Prigs back, for entirely sentimental reasons.

Jennings almost got an inbounds steal at one point tonight. I was overcome with nostalgia.

I think cutting N’Dour is the sensible move. Knicks have the most depth at wing.

Also if there’s an amnesty in the next CBA we might want to think twice about using it on Noah lest we miss out using it on mega-extension-fossil-Melo

Didn’t the Nets recently cut Vazquez?

I couldn’t believe Clyde kept calling for Melo to take the big shots at the end. Melo should have been a decoy.

Baker has a sub-40 TS% and has shown zero feel for running an offense. He’s not a point guard. Maybe he’d work as a two but that’s not what the Knicks need right now and Brian’s right- no one is going to sign him any time soon. That said, Ndour and Sasha are fairly expendable as well so I’d be fine with hanging onto Baker. They just need another point if Rose’s back continues to be an issue.

Rose played about as bad of a 10 minutes as you can play. I am no Melo fan, and he was trash tonight, but our PGs shot 1-15 from the field and mostly got roasted on D, so you can’t put it all on Melo. 5 points on 15 shots is really bad. At least Melo got 13 points on his 15

Forget about Rose or even Melo for a moment – they can still have a function in a high functioning offense.

Noah is fucking useless. I don’t see how he makes us better in any way.

I just wanted to win that game to spite Marquese Chriss

I resent him feeling any sort of unearned satisfaction after he got roasted on a spit by KP while trying to play him as if he’s soft

I resent him feeling any sort of unearned satisfaction after he got roasted on a spit by KP while trying to play him as if he’s soft

We’ll just have to take satisfaction with him getting owned this game by KP.

Maybe Rose’s back was bothering him from tip-off, who knows. Melo doesn’t have a similar excuse.

It’s not like Melo was begging for the ball- there are games where he has absolutely no conscience- this wasn’t one of them. He was bad but his game should have been survivable.

ndour is the guy you bring in solely because everyone else is lacking energy and you’re desperate for a spark on the defensive end…. that’s a luxury… he’s 24 already and there’s already 3 guys ahead of him on the depth chart….

baker may or may not be worse… and he might not be a pg… but we’ve seen less minutes of him so it’s prudent to give him more of a longer look…

if it were me i’d cut plumlee but ndour is the most expendable…

I really do have a burning hatred for Marqueese Chriss now I just looked up when our next game with them is and everything

Hezonja has got to be available. He’s barely touched the floor for Orlando and can probably be gotten for cheap. He’s young, athletic, and can handle the ball even if he’s not lead guard material. He’s not a solution at PG–we would need to grab douglas or Vasquez or Chalmers for that–but we need players who can handle the ball and break down a defense. Cut 2 of Baker/Sasha/Plumlee/Ndour and sign toney Douglas or some other filler PG + trade for Hezonja with one or two of our redundant wings and this team might be able to withstand some back spasms

Orlando is dumb but I highly doubt they’d give up on Hezonja. He wasn’t awful by rookie standards last year and they don’t exactly have much else going for them.

Back spasms are sort of an either or thing. If your back is spasming you can’t play basketball. Rose might have some other problem causing the spasms-but it’s not a moral thing. Rose, Jennings and Baker were 1-15. If you want a simple reason why the Knicks lost that’s it

I know it’s probably an unpopular opinion around here but I really do not like Brandon Jennings. He complains so much, he’s easily the worst defender on the team, he’s reckless with the ball, and he cannot penetrate a defense. KP fouls out on a play where Jennings gets beat and you could see KP screaming “stop the ball.” I know he’s our best passer, but he’s terrible at everything else. I would look to move on from him.

This might have been the dumbest basketball I’ve ever seen Carmelo Anthony play. I don’t know what it is but he always ramps up the hero ball when he’s playing against PJ Tucker. I was extremely disappointed with his play tonight and I hope he never plays like that again. I can’t wait until we play the Spurs and Melo is purposely frozen out of the offense to neutralize Kawhi Leonard’s unreal defense.

Hornacek needed to put Courtney Lee in the game over Holiday. I didn’t understand why Lee spent so much time on the bench in the 4th.

Happy Theo Day everybody. He’ll be here at least until Saturday. I’ll be scouting the draft in the meantime.

Also fuck Marquisse Chriss. I hope KP scores 60 on him then next time we play them.

You are really stretching bringing up Rose’s shooting when he left with a bad back.

I know it’s probably an unpopular opinion around here but I really do not like Brandon Jennings. He complains so much, he’s easily the worst defender on the team, he’s reckless with the ball, and he cannot penetrate a defense. KP fouls out on a play where Jennings gets beat and you could see KP screaming “stop the ball.” I know he’s our best passer, but he’s terrible at everything else. I would look to move on from him.

I don’t blame you. Once Jennings becomes the #1 point guard, he’s cast in a different light.

Sure, Hezonja has been bad, but why wouldn’t you trade for a second year top five pick on a rookie scale contract who fills a position of need if the price isn’t too high? It’s not out of the realm of possibility given that the inmates are running the asylum over in Orlando.

In other news Jakob Poeltl is one of, if not the best, rookies this year (along with Juan Hernangomez.) Bargnani, the gift that keeps on giving.

Sure Hezonja would be nice for the future. So would a lot of guys who don’t belong to us.

hezonja only skill is shooting the 3 a lot… but not hitting any of them… he was overdrafted by a lot….

I mean don’t you just cut Sasha since there’s literally 0 chance of an upside surprise with him versus a + .00000000001% chance of an upside surprise with Baker and company?

Cut Sasha and hire him to be the Chief Euro Coordinator

The thing with Sasha is that he can at least do sort of kind of basketball-type things on occasion. He’s like the shooting guard equivalent of Norris Cole, Jarrett Jack, etc. A guy who could be brought in cold and not embarrass you. But he just isn’t a point guard. I guess there’s something to be said for the fact that Ndour doesn’t really have a role on the team and likely won’t have one going forward, so I guess he could be expendable.

Brian, I do see your reasoning behind cutting Sasha. From a basketball standpoint, he’s expendable. However, I think his place on the team is ironclad as a Phil/Triangle/”Veteran presence” guy, so I didn’t spend too much time considering the merits of jettisoning him.

Ndour also gets squeezed out because Holiday and Kuz have emerged from being unknown quantities to becoming reliable rotation players and Thomas is now healthy. It’s a numbers game.

But I was just saying that they shouldn’t cut Sasha. 🙂 Because he can at least do sort of kind of basketball-type things on occasion.

I wouldn’t have a problem with letting Ndour go but I’ve yet to see anything from Baker that tells me he’s an NBA player. He wasn’t bad in the preseason and he hasn’t played a whole lot of minutes so I guess he’s worth keeping? Ndour is a decent defender and Sasha is Sasha- I just don’t know if Baker is worth keeping over them unless he can start making threes at a very good clip. I don’t think you can cut Plumlee because I think someone will sign him- he looks like a serviceable 3rd big right now and Noah is just as much an injury risk as Rose.

Also- KOQ should be getting 25+ minutes a night if not starting. I don’t think Noah scores enough to play with the bench mob so I guess you keep starting him but I’d like to see KOQ getting 28 mpg to Noah’s 20 with WHG getting some minutes depending on match-ups.

The team did play well with Baker in there even though he didn’t make a shot.

I love the fact that both of Miami’s titles PGs are gettable on the free market (as a third PG I prefer Cole to Chalmers, even if the second one was healthy)

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