Knicks Morning News (2016.12.20)

  • [NYTimes] Derrick Rose’s Value to Knicks Shows When He’s Sidelined
    (Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:46:39 AM)

    Although Rose, the 2001 N.B.A. most valuable player, may not be the force he once was, the Knicks’ statistics suffer when he is not on the floor.

  • [NYTimes] Coaching Transition at Syracuse Puts Bumps on Recruiting Trail
    (Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:33:05 AM)

    With Jim Boeheim leaving at the end of this season, Mike Hopkins, the “head coach-designate,” is stepping into a larger role.

  • [NYTimes] An N.B.A. Gift on Christmas: Warriors at Cavaliers
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 7:19:37 PM)

    It’s the first meeting between the teams since Cleveland beat Golden State in Game 7 of the finals.

  • [NYPost] Knicks in limbo waiting for true Joakim Noah to reveal himself
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 5:39:35 PM)

    Every now and again, it’s useful to mosey over to YouTube and remind yourself of the player Joakim Noah was, and not all that long ago. In fact if you type in “Noah” and “highlights” and “2014,” the first thing that comes up is some video from a game played on Jan. 15 of that…

  • [NYPost] The Derrick Rose chain reaction that can solve Knicks’ problems
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 2:48:45 PM)

    The Knicks hope a cure-all for much of what ails them lately returns to the lineup Tuesday in Derrick Rose. “That’s the plan,” Rose, who has missed two-plus games with back spasms, said Monday after going through a full practice at the Knicks’ Tarrytown facility. “He didn’t complain of any back spasms or anything like…

  • [NYPost] How Kristaps Porzingis wants to get mind right before his shot
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 1:56:55 PM)

    Relax. Think happy thoughts. Be part of the whole. Maybe a simple relaxation technique is what Kristaps Porzingis needs. The 7-foot-3 second-year Knicks forward has been slumping with his shot lately. Over 13 games — more than just a tiny sample — Porzingis has shot .401 (89-of-222). Very un-unicorn like. And some of it stems…

  • [SNY Knicks] Three challenges facing the Knicks
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 2:00:52 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose expected to return Tuesday against Pacers
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 12:30:38 PM)

    Knicks G Derrick Rose is expected to return Tuesday night against the Pacers, head coach Jeff Hornacek said Monday.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose set to return for Knicks’ game vs. Pacers
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 10:51:23 AM)

    Derrick Rose declared himself healthy and ready for Tuesday’s game against the Indiana Pacers.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose plans to play for Knicks on Tuesday
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 7:44:28 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Derrick Rose was one of the last players to leave the court after Monday’s practice as he tested his back to make sure he will be able to return to the Knicks’ lineup.

  • [NY Newsday] NBA gives a vote to media, players for its All-Star Game selections
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 12:46:00 PM)

    The NBA is adding players and media to the voting process in a change to the way starters for the All-Star Game are selected.

  • [ESPN] What to watch for tonight during the Knicks’ game against Indiana
    (Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:00:29 AM)

    What to watch for tonight during the Knicks’ game against Indiana

  • [ESPN] Knicks guard Rose returns from back spasms
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 2:31:37 PM)

    Knicks guard Rose returns from back spasms

  • [ESPN] What to watch for during Knicks’ 3-game homestand
    (Monday, December 19, 2016 6:00:39 AM)

    What to watch for during Knicks’ 3-game homestand

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    65 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.12.20)”

    1. Kinda feel like we should release NDour and sign Chasson Randle. NDour hasn’t shown much in his time so far, and tweener types who can’t really shoot but are really athletic are not so rare. We had one called Thanasis last year who couldn’t get minutes on the big club either. Right now Melo, Lance Thomas, and Kuz are ahead of him, and that’s not even including KP’s minutes at the 4 and the 3 guard lineups that are played. Just feel like we need another shooter in the backcourt.

      His shooting has really picked up in December. Funny, he had an orbital fracture suffered during training camp, and was wearing a mask and couldn’t shoot for the 1st month+ of the season. Where have I heard this before…?

    2. This! (Of course, it’s linked up there). Like it or not Derrick makes the Knicks tick. Looking forward to him getting back and kicking some you know what at home. I’m giving them a mulligan on the road trip due to his absence. Of course, if health is a problem, that’s a real problem but I’m optimistic that if he plays we’ll play well and put some space between us and .500 again.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/sports/basketball/new-york-knicks-derrick-rose.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront

    3. Rose’s absence shows how imperative it is for us to either draft or trade for a PG who can break defenses down off the dribble. For even if we resign him, he will most probably miss a lot of games due to injury.

    4. I know we are supposed to be thankful we drafted Porzingis, but I think a very good case can be made that Towns, Turner, and Jokic are better than him “all around”. The one thing that was keeping him near the top of the conversation was his excellent TS% and scoring versatility early in the season, but now that’s he not even a very efficiency scorer, I don’t see him as better than any of those 3.

    5. Merging @1 Frank, @2 Danvt and @3 Ras thoughts – Randle could be that 3rd point guard. What we really need is a second #1 point guard.

    6. I know we are supposed to be thankful we drafted Porzingis, but I think a very good case can be made that Towns, Turner, and Jokic are better than him “all around”.

      Unfortunately for him, Porzingis has landed on a team where he is being forced to embrace a ‘savior’ role that he is not ready for.

      Very promising young player. Fan expectations totally dumb and unfair.

    7. @4 I posted earlier this season that I thought Turner was a better all around player than Porzingis and got generally roasted. Meanwhile, he’s currently sporting a TS% of .617 and is averaging 2.5 blocks a game, 3rd in the NBA.

      Now, Zinger might end up having a better career and I’m ecstatic that we drafted him, but right now it’s pretty clear cut that Turner is having a much better season than KP.

    8. Turner is an amazing player, but I think he’s more NBA ready than Porzingis right now. meaning I think KP has a higher hypothetical ceiling than Turner does.

      he’s also playing in a heavily disfunctional roster where he’s surrounded by ball stoppers and players with overlapping skill sets, so that makes it even more impressive how well he’s been playing.

      I do agree with Theo in the sense that KP needs time, Dirk Nowitzki for example didn’t really fully blossom until his third season… so my timeline for KP is similar, I believe he’ll make another mini-leap next season and become a legit star.

      that was a big part of my issue with wanting to win now, in this season, and why I thought tanking 2016-17 was the ideal scenario… because then the Knicks would have a top PG prospect, KP ready to take the leap into his prime years and good players to surround them.

    9. turner is better because he’s playing like a traditional big man and progressing like a traditional big man… he’s scoring better inside and blocking more shots….

      once kp realizes he’s 7ft 3 and that being a jump shooter neutralizes all of his advantage on offense… then he’ll be better…

    10. KP needs time, Dirk Nowitzki for example didn’t really fully blossom until his third season… so my timeline for KP is similar, I believe he’ll make another mini-leap next season and become a legit star.

      that was a big part of my issue with wanting to win now, in this season, and why I thought tanking 2016-17 was the ideal scenario… because then the Knicks would have a top PG prospect, KP ready to take the leap into his prime years and good players to surround them

      Exactly!

    11. turner is better because he’s playing like a traditional big man and progressing like a traditional big man… he’s scoring better inside and blocking more shots….

      once kp realizes he’s 7ft 3 and that being a jump shooter neutralizes all of his advantage on offense… then he’ll be better…

      djphan – are you secretly Kurt Rambis?

      Turner is not playing inside like a traditional big man. He’s playing tons of pick and pop, and shooting 45% of his shots from outside 15 feet… which is almost exactly the same as KP. And their ability to shoot (especially when playing the 5) is huge for offensive spacing.

      What Turner IS doing is playing more of a traditional center role on defense, and not chasing stretch 4s all over the place.

      Turner is really good. I still would rather have KP, but they’re both really good.

    12. Speaking of spacing, it just kills me when Noah gets the ball at the top of the key, his defender immediately retreats and looks for someone else to guard and now it’s 4 on 5. I don’t know what the answer is, his shot seems shot (pun intended) and when he drives to the basket, he throws up unsightly bricks.

      Maybe we shouldn’t give him the ball at all, let him just set screens and crash the boards.

    13. yeah, Turner is not really playing like a traditional Center, one of the things that are responsible for his great ts% for example is his 37% 3 point shooting mark… he’s shooting 51% on 2 pointers for 16 feet or more, which shows his prowess as a pick and pop weapon.

      Turner is also playing 5 minutes less than KP every night… KP’s minutes are honestly going to be a problem for this team going forward, there’s no universe in which he should be playing almost 35 minutes every game.

    14. A lot of what Noah does is set good screens of dribble-handoffs. The trouble is that they are doubling Melo when he comes off that dribble handoff, which is why Noah is always so open going to the hoop — but he can’t hit the freaking layup.

      I honestly wonder whether he has a neurological problem in his hands or arms. Like we talked about the other day, his shots are coming off like rockets off the backboard – these are worse-looking shots than you’d see at the local Y.

    15. Nouri and plumber to westchester, that opens up a spot for randle and ?

      If randle starts getting minutes that puts Sasha on the block,

    16. turner’s actually shooting less midrange for more 3s and shots at the rim from last year…. and his ftr rate jumped significantly which is at a really great .392… that’s really how most develop their offense…

      kp was getting to the line to start the year… and then he decided he wanted to copy melo and do crossover stepbacks into contested 20 footers… if he just stops all that nonsense and tries to play closer to the hoop his offense will be much better…

      rambis isn’t the smartest guy in the world… but he’s absolutely right about this… big men can’t afford to play soft in the nba… and kp is being soft…

    17. I know we are supposed to be thankful we drafted Porzingis, but I think a very good case can be made that Towns, Turner, and Jokic are better than him “all around”. The one thing that was keeping him near the top of the conversation was his excellent TS% and scoring versatility early in the season, but now that’s he not even a very efficiency scorer, I don’t see him as better than any of those 3.

      Now, sure, you can make that argument.

    18. I honestly wonder whether he has a neurological problem in his hands or arms. Like we talked about the other day, his shots are coming off like rockets off the backboard – these are worse-looking shots than you’d see at the local Y.

      Yeah, I don’t know how a guy spends years as an above average FT shooter for his position and suddenly loses the ability to shoot FTs.

    19. 1) Jokic was taken in the 2014 draft. He was taken AFTER Cleanthony Early, but something tells me Clarence Gaines wasn’t involved in that dumb decision.

      2) KP isn’t even a finished product bro. Everybody, when KP was drafted, knew Porzingis would take 3 seasons to really hit his stride. It’s not his fault he’s been a lot better than people expected, but that doesn’t mean he’s even close to done developing. He still has strength issues and once he gets stronger and more authoritative Myles Turner won’t be a comparison for KP. All three of KAT, Jokic, and Turner are better than KP today, and that’s not a surprise. The fact that it is even a discussion should go to show you how scary KP is going to be in his prime.

      3) With regards to the draft and Derrick Rose, I don’t doubt that Derrick Rose will be brought back for $65M over 3 years if he plays 68+ games. What we need to do is draft his replacement and kick Brandon Jennings to the curb while keeping Chasson Randle around as the #3 PG. I really hope the Knicks are smart enough on draft night to somehow get a PG and Luke Kennard, who looks like he’ll be a lottery pick. I’d take Luke Kennard and Shamorie Ponds and be very pleased with the draft.

    20. @17

      honestly, the soft / tough thing is a load of bullshit.

      the narrative on Nowitzki was that he couldn’t win a title because he was soft, until he won one; Chris Bosh was called soft, called the “RuPaul of Big Men”, then he won two titles and a gold medal… Pau Gasol was called soft, and he has two rings too.

      it’s one thing to criticize a player’s effort level or his strength, but to call a 21-year old kid from freaking Latvia, in the beginning of his second year, that’s playing 35 minutes every night with the highest expectations possible in the NBA on his back soft?

      a lot of people would be crying every night if they faced the same proposition.

    21. kp was getting to the line to start the year… and then he decided he wanted to copy melo and do crossover stepbacks into contested 20 footers… if he just stops all that nonsense and tries to play closer to the hoop his offense will be much better

      In the first 10 games Kristaps averaged 5.3 FTAs per 36.

      In games 10-20 he averaged 3.7 FTAs.

      In the last 7 games he’s averaged 4.8 FTAs

    22. #21.3

      Those are two inspired picks but I doubt Kennard lasts by the time we get to him middle to late in the first round. He’s lighting the NCAA Div-1 up and Duke is going deep into the tournament this year again. Krzyzewski can relegate Kennard to a sixth man role all he wants when that team is fully healthy but everyone’s seen him bust out into a legit efficient 20-point college scorer with passing skills.

    23. Great article about Kyrie’s 3 in game 7 – definitely worth the read.

      Re: KP – he is shooting too many of the between / no-man’s land shots, and it’s a result of him taking shots off the dribble when he is not yet ready in his career to do it. His eFG off zero dribbles = 57%, 1 dribble is 47%, and 2 dribbles+ is about 36%. Take the 3 at the top of the key or pass it. Stop dribbling!
      Sad!

    24. the thing with dirk and bosh was that they weren’t soft…
      bosh age 21 ftr .534
      dirk age 21 ftr .311
      kp age 21 ftr .267

      last year kp was willing to bang down low and mix it up.. maybe he felt like that drained his energy so he stopped doing it.. but for whatever reason he’s just not fighting for boards or being as aggressive down low… i’m sorry… that’s being soft in my book…

      these things can change at this stage which i’m hoping it does and he’s not that far away from last year’s numbers… but development happens a lot quicker in the nba especially for bigs… after 2-3 seasons they are about 90-95% of what you can expect from their peak…

      and the nba doesn’t care where you come from or if you’re injured or if you’re feelings are hurt… it’s competition… and many players come from rougher backgrounds than being young or being from overseas…

    25. Porzingis is fine. Stop over-analyzing the play of a young, developing player beginning his second NBA season!

      To some dumb fans he is a guaranteed superstar and to some other equally dumb ones he’s a bust unless he immediately does what they fantasize about.

      He is a developing player with lots of potential. Nothing more, nothing less.

      He may become a star, he may not. He may not be better than Jokic, Turner, Towns or Linda Lovelace when everything is said and done. He might end up being better than all of them. Who knows!. Leave the fucking kid alone!

    26. and how does ftr at the age of 21 proves definitively that a player is soft or not? in 27 games in KP’s case no less?

      we know literally nothing about what happens inside the Knicks locker room, we don’t know if Hornacek asked him to play more outside, nothing… you speak like everything is Porzingis’ personal decision.
      players develop in different ways, specially since they are playing in completely different contexts in the first place…

      and yes, I do know that the NBA doesn’t care about your background; I’m just saying it’s stupid to complain about a 21-year old latvian dude having obvious flaws in his game.

      he’s given all the indications that he has a good understanding of basketball and of his situation, and that he’s willing and capable to work on said flaws.

    27. I’m happy where KP is and he and Myles Turner are comparable.

      You can’t teach strength. KP’s center of gravity is so much higher, he still struggles with shorter Cs and PFs. That will improve with time.

      And he is still a much improved player over last year, and clearly teams are focused more on him. They also have adjusted. Cleveland showed the league how to make KP struggle: pound on him.
      He needs to make sure he’s eating enough to keep on weight through a grueling season. He has monstrous upside.

    28. Kind of off topic…

      What is the best site for selling Knick tickets? I have a couple of ESPN suite tickets to the Magic game and can’t go. Is Craigslist the best option?

    29. it’s one thing to criticize a player’s effort level or his strength, but to call a 21-year old kid from freaking Latvia, in the beginning of his second year, that’s playing 35 minutes every night with the highest expectations possible in the NBA on his back soft?

      a lot of people would be crying every night if they faced the same proposition.

      In this regard, I consider the mental toughness of KP one of his most postive characteristics. We do not know how Jokic, Turner or Towns would handle the pressure of being in NY; so far, KP has done good.

    30. The KP stuff is ridiculous. Kid will be fine. Just bc Jokic has had a few good games in a row and KP has struggled doesn’t mean Jokic is or will be a better player.

      KP is the best player to watch on the Knicks since I can remember.

    31. Porzingis is fine. Stop over-analyzing the play of a young, developing player beginning his second NBA season!

      AMEN!!!

      Look, I ain’t finna hear this “KP is cool but Turner/KAT/Jokic blah blah blah” ish today. We’ve gone so…fucking…long long without seeing what a uber-talented rookie looks like that we forget lessons from the past. Are we gonna start tearing up his poster like Ewing (figuratively speaking)?

      We’ve debated a lot about KP’s time-line vs. Melo’s time-line. I like Melo, but I don’t care about his time-line, bc when he re-upped in ’14, he proved once and for all that, as much as he’d like to win a ring, NYC and the money were more important. My theory is Jackson believes this too – it’s that the team is disguised otherwise to appease the common fan and Dolan.

      I’m weary of signing Rose to an extension, but if we’re going to draft a PG this summer in a slot (out of the lottery) where the guy will need time to “apprentice”, I can see the logic.

    32. @31

      agreed.

      Jokic is also playing 24 minutes a game for a mediocre team with no expectations, and his TS% is .050 higher than last season even though he’s shooting less free throws per shot and worse from 3.

      that seems unsustainable to me… he’s a great player, yes, but it’s still early in the season.

    33. @13 –

      Speaking of spacing, it just kills me when Noah gets the ball at the top of the key, his defender immediately retreats and looks for someone else to guard and now it’s 4 on 5. I don’t know what the answer is, his shot seems shot (pun intended) and when he drives to the basket, he throws up unsightly bricks.

      I came here just now to post about Noah after reading today’s NY Post article which featured a 2013-14 video of him dominating the Magic (26 pts, 19 reb, 6 ast). It’s funny when I watched the video I saw something very different about what Mike Vaccarro said and what I saw.

      There’s very little difference in what I saw then and what I’m seeing now with 2 exceptions. The first is that today Noah is missing the layups and tip-ins that he made back then. I attribute that purely to bad luck. The second is that he took one of those ugly 15-foot tornado shots and made it. Now he’s not even trying to take those shots.

      It gave me some hope. What might be missing from my eyeball analysis is strength. I think it’s possible that his legs are not there yet. Maybe, with some more playing time, that’ll improve? But looking at his per36 numbers (I’ll compare 2012/13 and 2013/14, his all-star years, to today) his rebounding is up and his shots and makes are down.
      Tot Reb:
      12/13: 10.9
      13/14: 11.5
      16/17: 13.1

      FGA
      12/13: 9.3
      13/14: 10.2
      16/17: 7.1

      FG%
      12/13: 48.1%
      13/14: 47.5%
      16/17: 46.9%

      Assists
      12/13: 3.9
      13/14: 5.5
      16/17: 4.4

      The obvious drop-off is in FT%
      12/13: 75.1%
      13/14: 73.7%
      16/17: 30.6%

      It seems pretty clear to me. He need to take 2000 foul shots a day until that percent goes up and he needs to take the occasional, nobody’s within 10 feet of me, jumper.

      Oh, and about this KP stuff. Stuff it. He’s fine – more than fine. He’s going to be an all-star many times over.

    34. i like kp and he’s effective doing what he’s doing… but he’s simply playing soft right now… it’s more just an observation than criticism but it just seems outrageous that ppl can’t say a bad word about kp… maybe kp is nursing an injury or maybe it’s the minutes…. but from the eye test and the numbers… he’s just not as aggressive as he was last year… that’s soft in my book….

      just to give an idea… of the players with ftr <.300 and <8.5 boards per 36 at age 21:

      1. joe smith
      2. mo speights
      3. lamarcus aldridge
      4. ryan anderson
      5. rasheed wallace
      6. michael doleac
      7. spencer hawes
      8. vladimir radmonovic
      9. andrea bargnani
      10. jason smith

      sheed and lma are ok players… and kp being like them isn't the end of the world… but you can see the rest of the players to see that it's not too far off being a huge disappointment simply because he's either incapable or unwilling to be aggressive in the paint…

    35. You know Theo, I’m going to guess that you may not want to be compared to Reub, but I’m going to do so in this regard: just when is believed you’re an extreme, you make comments that balance out your extremist positioning. You’re bearish on the team overall, but very much a believer in KP. Reub is bullish on the team overall, but not afraid to critique Melo or chastise Noah’s subpar play.

      Interesting.

    36. oh come on, that’s cherry picking at its finest.

      Doleac for example has a career ts of .470 something, how is he comparable to Porzingis .550 this season?

      I get that you are searching for stats to validate your eye test that Porzingis is soft, but please…

    37. you asked for what ftr rate means at age 21 and i showed you what it means… how is that cherry picking?

    38. exactly, if ftr age 21 shows that Porzingis, Radmanovic and Doleac are comparable, it means nothing to me.

    39. I suspect Noah has reaggravated his shoulder injury which would explain his abysmal FT% and inability to make layups. I think the shoulder started to bother him a couple of seasons ago when his FT% started to dip and worsened over time ultimately requiring surgery. It looks like this might be a chronic problem at this stage. I know players involved in trades are required to take physicals but are free agents required as well? If so, appears like our medical staff dropped the ball on this one or Phil went against their advice and decided to take the risk. A Noah for Pekovic trade may be our only hope.

    40. I think Pekovic is a major injury risk too and he’s 30, so i don’t expect him to contribute anything to the knicks… however, his contract is smaller than Noah’s, so i’d be fine.

    41. but for whatever reason he’s just not fighting for boards or being as aggressive down low… i’m sorry… that’s being soft in my book…

      the reason is that he’s shooting (and making) a lot more 3 point shots. He’s taking about as many shots at the rim, and he’s making a lot more of them. I think it’s reasonable to worry about his defensive rebounding, but he’s rebounding better than Dirk at the same age. If he can start shooting a bit better again he’ll be fine this season.

    42. We do that trade because (1) Pek’s contract ends 2 years earlier than Noah’s (2) We free up about 6m in cap this summer. I doubt Thibs does that trade and looks to trade for either Taj or Lopez. I doubt Phil does that trade because it’s an early admission that he really messed up and it doesn’t make the team better this season. I still believe Phil will be gone one way or another at the end of this season.

    43. You’re bearish on the team overall, but very much a believer in KP.

      Not at all. I’m on record saying KP may or may not become a star. I think, like every other rational person out there, that the kid has potential to be a great player – but we may have seen his ceiling! Who knows? Odds are he will improve. But how much? Nobody knows.

      I don’t fall in love with players and can see the good and bad points in our players (and team!) and those from other teams – but at the same time have a lot of contempt for people who hate LeBron (just an example) only because he is not a Knick or think our rookies are the best rookies because they play for the Knicks.

      As for Reub, don’t worry! I have my own theory on him (and that’s why i don’t give much thought to his comments): he absolutely hates the team and says exactly the opposite of what he really thinks. Some sort of twisted, perverted attention-seeking play. But, whatever rocks his boat! Reub is ok with me!

    44. yeah, I agree, the trade helps the Knicks in the short term and the long term… I think Noah is done as a player.

      and yeah, I doubt Phil will admit so soon that he made a mistake.

    45. that list wasn’t mean to say porzingis is 100% like these guys… of course they are all different… with respect to their ftr rate and board work at the same age.. which were the parameters… they are similar…

      yes porzingis has other things going for him… specifically his block rate and the fact that he’s a pretty good 3pt shooter which differentiates him… but he has traits similar to those guys…

      i’m not saying he sucks… last year proved that he’s capable of doing competent board work so i’m sure he’ll get better… and i’m sure his ftr rate will go up… but currently he’s a bit lacking there… and frankly it’s because he’s playing a bit soft…

    46. @40 –

      I suspect Noah has reaggravated his shoulder injury which would explain his abysmal FT% and inability to make layups. I think the shoulder started to bother him a couple of seasons ago when his FT% started to dip and worsened over time ultimately requiring surgery.

      It could be a problem but I don’t think it’s what’s causing his FT problem and inability to make layups. Noah has the “yips” when he goes to the line – nothing that 100,000 practice free throws won’t solve. He’s layup misses aren’t shoulder related either.

      BTW, I’ve got an almost-healed torn rotator cuff. There’s nothing worth doing except to suffer through some dull pain. I could make those layups.

    47. @dred – i agree with you on the assessment on the boards.. but i do think it’s something to keep an eye on …. last year we were 18th in drb% but now we are 29th and noah, oquinn and wily all have decent reb rates… i’m pretty sure it’s the rolo effect on team rebounding but that also might mean that last year’s rebounding numbers were inflated for kp….

      and dirk is a difficult comp for anyone…. a 5% jump in reb rate is unheard of in one offseason…. and i think he might be the only one to do that…

    48. I think I’ve asked this before, but I’ll ask it again. How many games do the Knicks need to win for Jackson to be retained? Would the 8th seed and like 39 wins save his job?

    49. great stuff today…thanks everyone…

      from a foolish fan’s perspective – man, i love watching kp play ball…easily one of my favorite players to watch in the whole nba…great skill, great energy and a great attitude – i love how he’s perfecting his “mean mug look”…

      i know it’s what we do – but, sometimes when you dig real deep into the numbers – it’s easy to miss the beauty of the game itself…

      @2…thanks for the link to the times article danvt – of all the new york papers, the times is about the only one i’ll read knick related stuff on…the rest of them are normally just obnoxious…

      if you’re out there Knick Fan In Celtic Land – any thoughts on rose’s back and the chance these spasms continue thoughtout the rest of the season…talk about “unreasonable” expectations of people :-)…c’mon doc – i gotta know, is our point guard gonna make it through the season…

    50. @GoNyGoNyGo I’m not buying the Yips causing layup and FT problem. But I think you may be right that it’s not his shoulder. I just presumed the surgery was on the right shoulder but I just checked at it was the left one. I did a bit of research and noticed his FT% started to plummet on February 27, 2015. His FT% in Feb was 70% (his career average) and then dipped to 53% in March (43 FTA) and 30% (10 FTA) in April. The first 3 months of the following season his FT% was 45%, 61% and 50%. He shot 44% at the rim in 2015-16; might be interesting if someone checked his at-the-rim stats for Mar-Apr of previous season. So was his shoulder bothering him at end of 14-15 season or was it something else? Whatever it is, it’s probably the source of his current problems.

    51. I’m not buying the Yips causing layup and FT problem.

      Fair enough when it comes to the layups but as for the free throws, you can tell that he’s going to miss from the moment he steps to the line. He’s just trying not to air-ball it.

    52. GEO: if you’re out there Knick Fan In Celtic Land – any thoughts on rose’s back and the chance these spasms continue thoughtout the rest of the season…talk about “unreasonable” expectations of people :-)…c’mon doc – i gotta know, is our point guard gonna make it through the season…

      My “hip pocket” diagnosis and prognosis has not changed (probably ilio-psoas related). My basis is on where Derrick said his symptoms were located. To have more insight to make an actual diagnosis, I would have to examine the patient and imaging tests. But, if I did, then I could not post anything here due to HIPAA (privacy laws). The situation is a true catch-22: hip pocket or silenced by HIPAA.

    53. KP Turner KAT Jokic are all not great on defense right now. Turner on defense miiight be the best right now — his strength and hops and the fact that he is placed in a position to succeed (i.e. at the 5, with Paul George, a plus defender, as well as some steals guys in thad and teague, even if they’re not good at D overall…instead of chasing stretch 4s everywhere like KP) probably help.

      Turner gets the most blocks, but KP is the best (in the nba so far this year, actually) at rim protection. Yall can talk all ya want about offense but whoever cracks the rubiks cube of NBA defense first will immediately separate themselves from the pack.

    54. Re: KP – he is shooting too many of the between / no-man’s land shots, and it’s a result of him taking shots off the dribble when he is not yet ready in his career to do it. His eFG off zero dribbles = 57%, 1 dribble is 47%, and 2 dribbles+ is about 36%. Take the 3 at the top of the key or pass it. Stop dribbling!
      Sad!

      Great stats!

    55. I think any playoff berth saves Phil’s job, even the 8th seed.

      I think any playoff berth easily saves his job, but I don’t even really think his seat is all that hot. Only an awful season would have sunk him.

      However, I think a #8 seed and/or a losing record might not be enough to keep Phil here, as I could see him wanting to go to Los Angeles if the Knicks are only a #8 seed. In which case he could say, “See? I got you into the playoffs, my job is done. Now I get to go back to L.A.”

    56. I’ve long said and believe (with no evidence to back me up) that Phil must make the playoffs this year or Dolan replaces him.

      KP is not soft; he’s a developing player. He needs to have his minutes curtailed to about 30-32.

      Agreed that it is time to bring Randle on board. Ndour just hasn’t shown much.

    57. I’m surprised by the responses here.

      Here’s the records of Knicks GMs/Presidents:

      Scott Layden
      Aug. 1999 – Dec. 2003
      record: 175 – 181
      Win %: 49.2%
      Record in final season+: 47-63 (counting 10-18 start to 2003/04)
      Best season: 50-32 (in his FIRST year)
      Average age of starters in final full season: 30.4

      Isiah Thomas
      Dec. 2003 – Apr. 2008
      record: 141 – 241
      win %: 36.9%
      Record in final season+: 23-59
      Best season: 39-43 (in his FIRST year)
      Average age of starters in final season: 25.8

      Donnie Walsh
      Apr. 2008 – June 2011
      record: 103 – 143
      win %: 41.9%
      Record in final season+: 42 – 40
      Best season: 42-40 (in his LAST year)
      Average age of starters in final season: 24.2 pre-Anthony trade, 27.8 after trade

      Glen Grunwald
      June 2011 – Sept. 2013
      record: 90-58
      win %: 60.8%
      Record in final season+: 54 – 28
      Best season: 54-28 (in his LAST year)
      Average age of starters in final season: 29.4

      Steve Mills… job was always temporary

      Phil Jackson
      Apr. 2014 – present
      record: 63 – 128 (not counting end of 13/14 since he took over after the trade deadline)
      win%: 33.0%
      Record in final season: TBD
      Best season: 32-50 (in his SECOND year)
      Average age of starters in current season: 28.6

      I don’t see how just from a big picture perspective Phil looks any better than the other dudes, and even when you look at the micro stuff, he doesn’t look great. KP is great. Hernangomez is nice. The old men on long term contracts thing though is reminiscent of Layden.

    58. I’m not saying that Jackson is better or worse than anyone, I just don’t think he’s in any danger of losing his job so long as the Knicks come close to making the playoffs. And it seems highly unlikely that they won’t at least come close to the playoffs, seeing as how they’re 14-13 in a shitty conference.

    59. @brian

      I think I agree at least based on the press, but I don’t really understand why. Is it just because of the brand name players he’s brought in…? Like, if you go out on a limb and sign players that fans don’t recognize, and you win 35, it’s YOUR fault, but if you sign players who fans recognize and win 35, it’s the players’ fault or just bad luck?

    60. Pretty much, yeah. Although I think Jackson also always has the KP card to play. “Hey, no matter what else happens, I got you guys KP.”

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