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72 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.10.14)”
And just like that, it’s October 14th.
I think one of my Alan’s Things To Look For™️ this year is if someone (besides Fournier) can break out outside of our top-9 guys.
Unfortunately, that would probably mean someone got injured. But maybe a bench guy can take advantage of a minor injury with a 2-week healing period?
The top-2 candidates are obviously Jericho and Deuce, but maybe Windler, Roby, or Knight will show up.
Toppin would be a cool story as would Jeffries. Maybe even Jaylen Martin can show some flashes?
Greetings from Fredericksburg VA! Proud papa moment: my kid passed the 200 kill mark for the season last night and is currently second in her conference!
Re the KB site, even with with the occasional ups and downs, and hope that the vast majority of our communication stays here, including game threads. The Discord or any other back-up plan should be just that…a plan B staging area.
Re: Wemby, I agree with JK…his size/length/agility package allows him to do things no one else in the league can do. It’s amazing to watch. I will again remind folks that he is very Ralph Samson-esque…the game, especially the C position was different then, but he also did crazy shit. And only injury kept him from being an all-time great. Same will be true for Wemby. Let’s see what happen when the bruisers…even little guys like Marcus Smart…start taking shots at his lower body. Remember how Smart used to bully KP? And then there’s the beefy bigs like Embiid, Jokic, Gobert, Mitch, Adams, Jonas…the bruising PFs like Randle, Zion, the stretch 4’s like KAT, KP (sometimes).
But he’s must-watch TV!
I hope the T-Wolves play their starters for some of the game. I’d like to see how we look against a quality team. Last time Boston sat everyone out.
For anyone who didn’t get to experience peak Ralph Sampson, here’s a great compilation that includes both college and pro highlights.
I don’t understand why the Quickley negotiations haven’t been completed. Why quibble over a couple million a year at most? It has to be more than 20m per year, but I don’t think you want to make him the highest paid player on the team coming off the bench. That negotiation should take about an hour.
It’s for the same reason he doesn’t make draft picks, Strat. He’s trying to preserve Quickley’s trade value for as long as he can.
It sounds like the Knicks still have Towns on their radar.
So you think a major trade is still possible before the start of the season?
If I was another team and I was bringing in Quickley as part of the deal, I might rather have him locked up on a good contract now than allow him to go to restricted free agency and have to pay even more to match. Then again, I don’t pay attention to all the trade rules.
I actually think the guy in your parentheses is somewhat intriguing.
We all noticed how stupid it was that Fournier was in moth balls for the Heat series when we were desperate for shooting.
Can Thibs find a way to get this guy some spot minutes here and there so he can be useful in an emergency? That’s what a better coach like Spoelstra would do.
The whole doghouse thing is a little extreme and ultimately harmful in the long term. Are we going to waste an entire roster spot, sacrifice a potentially useful player, just because Thibs can’t suffer bad defense for a few minutes a year?
Fournier is still around for one reason only. That is to use his expiring contract as part of trade. Bringing in DDV made him even less likely to play. It might take two injuries to get him back on the court playing meaningful minutes. He’ll be here until we find a significant trade or the deadline comes up, but I doubt he’ll play.
Fournier looked decent the other day. If I’m a team looking for shooting, then I’m low-balling the Knicks to see if Leon bites.
Even if 1 guy does get hurt, how much Fournier do we see? Most of the minutes will be coming from Donte/Grimes/IQ/Hart getting bumps. He’s probably still behind Deuce too.
Thibs might even throw Sims in at the 4, moving the wings to their normal positions, instead of running Fournier out there.
Honestly, I’m hoping we feature Fournier a bit just to get his trade value up.
That 9 minute Ralph Sampson reel is cool. I loved him as a little kid. I remember crying when his game-winning shot against NC State in the ‘83 tournament was waved off because it was after the buzzer.
(Did you know that you were only a short drive from his birthplace when you posted it, Z-Man? Pilgrimage time!)
They are looking to deal Fournier for a star player, but if something like that doesn’t come up by the trade deadline, I think they should try to find a deal for a solid backup PF and maybe some end of the bench filler.
I like Sims but I don’t think he’s a PF and he’s not a good fit on offense with Mitch. Same with using I-Hart at PF.
I don’t mind going small from time to time against certain matchups, but I don’t think J-Hart or RJ is going to be a good matchup at PF every night.
It feels like we are trying to deal with an obvious weakness in less than ideal ways.
i get the ralph sampson comp but it doesn’t move me. at core sampson still seemed like a big with phenomenal mobility and very good perimeter skills for a big. wemby seems like an actual guard who suddenly woke up one morning ten feet long. more of a samsa comp.
i still kinda think we’ll extend quick by the deadline. i prefer we do, even though it might work out okay either way.
I loved Sampson’s game and he actually played most of his career as a pf next to Olajuwan, as part of the original twin towers, but Wemby’s skill set looks closer to Durant than Sampson.
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I was thinking he wants to keep him unsigned up until the trade deadline.
I know there is something difficult about trading a guy in the final year of his contract before an extension kicks in. I can’t recall what it is, exactly. I’m sure someone can elaborate. But I am certain that IQ is easier to trade without an extension.
damn. jvg to janus.
We haven’t even talked about Wemby’s defense, which is also unique and game-changing. Obviously he has the almost unprecedented length, but he is also a high IQ defender and incredibly quick with great timing, so he’s able to consistently block shots without fouling.
I don’t want to become Wemby Fanboi #1 around here, but I am really kind of shocked at how well developed and well-rounded his game already is.
Samson had an incredible skill set that he wasn’t allowed to use much due to the restrictions on bigs playing like guards back then.
Durant, who might be the second best pure shooter of all time behind Steph, along with an insane handle, is a pretty high bar for Wemby, who has not shot the ball particularly well at any level yet. I don’t really see Durant as a realistic comp for Wemby. He’s more on the Kareem-Sampson mold. Maybe with a splash of Garnett.
We’ll know a lot more after 20 or so games against legit NBA rotations. But the early returns are impressive!
Meanwhile, Sochan at PG? Interesting!
Keep in mind that Wemby is only 19. We have no idea what kind of shooter he can become. He has way more of a face up game with a full repertoire of moves than Sampson could have ever dreamed of. He doesn’t have much of a post up game. I don’t see him as a center at all until much later in his career. KG is another very good comp though.
Shooters are not made. All the great shooters were self-evident at every level. For example, no one doubted KD’s or Steph’s shooting. It was all about whether they could handle the physicality of the NBA.
Sampson had everything in his repertoire that Wemby does. He wasn’t allowed to use it in those times. I recall his b-ball IQ being a concern. Wemby is lauded for his maturity and IQ. That’s possibly the biggest difference.
I do not approve this news… at all! 😤
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Wemby’s midrange game was unstoppable in last night’s game, he was 9 for 10 inside the arc and a bunch of those were plays where he put the ball on the floor, created some space and then sank an easy jumper. He looked really fluid doing that, with a quick release and good form. He was only 1-5 from 3PT and a lot of those were open looks, so his perimeter shooting is probably going to be a work in progress, but it would not surprise me at all if he develops into a Durant-style sniper in a few years.
He should develop a sky hook and just destroy the sport for the next 20 years.
I would be absolutely shocked if Wemby became anything close to the “sniper” KD is, ever.
But he doesn’t have to! There is a path wider than Queens Blvd to achieve immortality without doing that! Starting and ending with staying healthy.
It’s the poison pill provision, and in Quickley’s case it would prevent trading him at all until the extension kicks in. He’s making 4.2M this season, and let’s say we extend him at 20M in the first year (2024-25). If we want to trade him this season, his outgoing salary will be 4.2M and his incoming salary will be 20M. This difference makes it very hard to match salaries.
obviously very early on wembanyama but the rebounding so far is a bit lackluster… nothing to go crazy about since it’s so early and it’s his first exposure to nba comp but something to watch for him…
the offense is really good…. and he has so many ways to get easy buckets and leverage his length and he seems to do that well…. the only danger is whether he is too soft and starts launching too many 3s…. which for a guy his size is doing the defense a lot of favors…. it seems he has a bit of KP in him but a much bigger more fluid version of him….
“Sampson had everything in his repertoire that Wemby does.”
I loved Ralph, but I could not disagree more. You showed us his highlight reel. Despite playing power forward, he had very little face up game. He didn’t have much range on his jumper. He was not a very good ball handler or passer. He was a very fluid athlete, so maybe he could have developed those skills more if the league was more positionless then, but to say he had those skills and wasn’t allowed to use them is just not accurate at all.
KD shot 29% from three his rookie year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbkdbLAfrYQ
Interesting analytics take on last year’s #2 offense by Fred Katz…
Mitch offenive rebounded 28% of all Knick mid-range floaters missed. That rate by himelf was better than 7 other NBA teams in total.
Also, Knick led the entire league in 3 point attempts per 2nd chance possesion and they usually came from corners immediately after the offensive rebound while opposing defenes were scrambling.
This has to be the Rosas influence, why he got promoted and why Ujiri neded to intimitely study it.
@KnicksMuse
Looking back at the Knicks 2021 Draft:
• Traded #19 (Kai Jones) for future 1st
• Traded #21 (Keon Johnson) for #25 (Quentin Grimes) and a 2nd
• Traded #32 (Robinson-Earl) for #34 (Jokubaitis) and #36 (McBride)
• Drafted Jericho Sims at #58
What grade would you give this draft?
Durant didn’t shoot that well his rookie year as noted above. I think it’s still surprising what a sniper he became.
Enjoyed this clip of Wemby scoring over Thomas Bryant.
https://twitter.com/cookhimtatum/status/1713057166217658453?s=46&t=0wqff4cNt-sCGcDs-uMExw
It will be sort of interesting to see if Wemby is better suited to the NBA than Europe.
Wemby is going to play PF for a while, maybe for his whole career, so he needs to shoot threes. I agree with DJ (I know, weird!) that he has a somewhat KP-like presence but with shockingly good ball handling skills.
And Sochan played a lot of point guard last year… he has legit great passing skills and is a terror of defense. “If he ever learns to shoot…” etc.
That ’21 draft was a B+ for me. It would have been an A, if they had taken Herb Jones instead of Jokubaitis.
He looks like MJ at the end of space jam
The Grimes pick redeems that draft a lot. I like Jericho and Deuce as much as the next guy but you can find low-ceiling players like those guys fairly easily. Rokas was a reasonable draft-and-stash flyer but I doubt we’ll ever see him suit up.
We got Grimes and a couple back of rotation guys with 19, 21, 32, and 58. I’ll give that a C+
wemby is totally something else…chet doesn’t seem to be too far behind him either…
it’s very hard to compare across generations in athletics…
i can’t think of a single olympic sport wherein the athletes haven’t made significant advances in performance from the 80’s…
heck, humans just look different than from the 90’s…
That’s it. Thanks, Cyber.
That’s why I think Quickley hasn’t been signed yet. Leon isn’t ready to give up the possibility of trading him this year.
Seems pretty dangerous to me. Right now, we have leverage. I’m sure IQ doesn’t want to go into the season without a contract. But if we force him to play without one til the Feb trading deadline, his risk/reward starts to tilt towards hitting restricted free agency.
IQ is conceivably our 3rd-best player and best draft pick since ?, so we should probably just lock him up asap.
Still hurts
man, poor pooch is sick…not as bad as one of the kids getting ill, worrisome still…thankfully a bunch of info online and a vet close by…
thinking of the quik stuff – one thing that appears to be occurring for the folks the knicks FO/coach like is that there seems to be excellent communication occurring between the parties…
i’m pretty sure this additional time we’re gaining is going to cost us contract wise when/if he is extended…
kind of the way folks talk about philly’s point guard maxey’s potential – i kind of see the same for quik…
watching the oregon/washington college football game…
the main thing coming to mind is how the ducks changed my perception for just how freaking cool a uniform could look…
Where does Vildoza rank?
reference the olympic sport thing and advancement in performance…
i don’t mean so much of the very top end athletes, more so the masses…
it’s like the “average” athlete is significantly better trained and equipped to maximize potential…the floor for human athletic performance has increased…
about the only sport i’ll watch old video of is mma stuff…
i’m hard pressed to think of another sport where performance development occurs at such a rapid pace, who knew getting kicked in the leg could leave on the ground…
the development in terms of women’s mma…just startling…
so yeah, the question now becomes what’s next after wemby/chet…maybe a healthy version of a zion type?
Christian Pulisic what a goal. Dispiriting otherwise.
https://twitter.com/americanhoolis/status/1713279437532213267?s=46&t=0wqff4cNt-sCGcDs-uMExw
Alan will need GIF powers to reply! 🤭
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Hi guys,
hope everyone’s fine (or the issues are minimal and quick to solve).
I took a long hiatus from social media and it’s been so long that I forgot my password, but the JVG news pissed me off so much that I wanted to check the hive’s reaction to it and… crickets (Cyber aside)?
We’re going to endure Mark Jackson on MSG all year long, one of our beloved will work for our hated rivals because our owner/FOs are too dumb to sign him and only the blog’s european contingent is revolting?
WTF’s happening?
P.S.
Mr. Tom Thibodeau agrees with me… and Ptmilo was pissed off too 😀
Hey Max, welcome back! How was the Dolomites Expedition? About JVG, Milo reacted too, some 4 or 5 comments before mine. But i agree with you, i thought we’d be having a lot more rage about this. Maybe it’s because ESPN was already “enemy land”. LOL
@Owen
you’re probably right because the (today’s) NBA style is more open and, as the US team learned recently, FIBA’s referees tend to whistle a lot less contacts and dirty tricks (but a lot more travelling and palming).
Hi Cyber! 🙂
The Dolomites Expedition went very well thank you, and so did my short reign of the Elba Island (but at least I did better than Napoleon, I came back home still free 😀 )
Thibs left the Knicks for the Celtics once and Van Gundy called him a rotting fleck of gnat shit. I guess Thibs hasn’t forgotten it.
Any chance you can post the all time leader in -/+? (I’ll guess Brian Quinnett, whom I vaguely recall getting some garbage pt during that blowout to the Bulls way back in that Stu Jackson/John MacLeod/Bob Hill antebellum period)
Gametime!
Sims led the NBA with 77% last year for those playing at least 40 games. I did not know that.
Looks like JHart will play…
howdy max…good to read your words 🙂
yeah, I mean it isn’t really about the people you don’t have (jvg), but the folks you do…
not happy with wally, way way way less happy to ever hear mark jackson’s voice, anywhere…
nbatv has tonight’s game…
Invisible Sixth Man looks to have been working out over the offseason.
And RJ doing some good things!
I’m happy JVG got a job, but very unhappy it’s Boston. And I was already worried about how good they will be this season and now I worry more.
i wonder if “senior consultant” means mentor for joe…
hopefully jeff doesn’t teach joe how to call a time out in crunch…
let ’em play joe, just let ’em play…
RJ playing well, Grimes doing lots of little things, Hart at the backup 4 throws himself into the second row in a preseason game, and apparently I’m the only one watching the game…
too funny, jalen is so jalen…going into a timeout he had the ball around the arc, kyle anderson wasn’t gonna let him shoot…jalen just strolled to the basket and put the ball in the net off the back board…
so cool…
Evan lighting it up.
Still by myself.
Okay, me and Geo. How about that ball-hawking by Donte?
i’m still in the 1st qtr raven…right now the big thing is RJ playing well, hitting free throws, mid range pull up…
it’s weird…
Ah, sorry Geo, I’m at the tail end of halftime. I’ll try to leave my comments generic so I don’t give too much away…
But yeah, RJ is having quite a good game so far. So impressive that Wally gave him an extra inch in salivating over what a big, powerful man he is…
I am also watching
Definitely one of those “I guess maybe we don’t need Mykal” games from RJ. A beautiful three and a lob to Mitch most recently.
Fournier played well, although he’s vanished again. 10 points in 10 minutes. I’d say trying to make things hard for Thibs, but somehow I think that sort of thing isn’t hard for Thibs.
Is everyone else on that TikTok link ptmilo sent around?
No, they’re on the game thread that went up. Damn…
too too funny raven – alan hahn calling him 6’7″ caught my attention also…ha…
bill pidto has a heavy george castanza vibe…
this has been a good game…DDV can really defend, pretty much a solid all around player on the court…
nice to see we’re starting this season using ihart as a passer…good to see him hit a 3…
oh shit raven – am i in the wrong spot…oops…yeah i’m old…