They’re Still Doing These Things?: Knicks vs. Heat

Now we know why the Mavs were so high on KP.

Maybe Dolan’s Razor isn’t really a thing after all. Normally the progression of events would be: Knicks sign Porzingis to max deal, the next day rape allegations come out.

Instead, he’s someone else’s problem now.

The tide is turning my friends!

despite knowing there was a game, I forgot there was a game today…that’s kind of a good thing…

even with there simply being allegations concerning rape and extortion – huge plus for the organization he is out of the city…

all the negative knick noise kp and anus disapproved of – they were about to bring a whole grip of it to the knicks…

while we’re being all insensitive – anyone else see that stuff on dotson and his charity down in houston…it seems to emphasize the importance of teamwork…yeah, I guess dot would know something about that…

Maybe I’m inattentive but I don’t think the rape allegations negatively affected Derrick Rose.

all the negative knick noise kp and anus disapproved of – they were about to bring a whole grip of it to the knicks…

@5 this is funny to me on two levels lol, being that Janus is kind of an anus and the spicy implications about your autocorrect

@8 I’m always astounded by how people can be so stupid, at a minimum to have no filter, and rise so high. Anyway back to basketball, Kornet has been making the most of his start

@10

Not coming at you at all, just Twitter pundits et al.

@13

oh man, is my hot take a thing people are actually talking about? Makes me glad I don’t twitter.

Crazy finish at Purdue Virginia unless there is replay that decides it wasn’t

Did Wade give his jersey to MitchRob?

It’s fascinating that the Mavs were told by the Knicks before the deal. That’s kind of crazy. They better have some pretty darn strong evidence that Porzingis is not guilty if they okayed that deal, as otherwise, they’re pretty stupid.

Cuban did just have to pay $10M in charitable donations because of widespread sexual harassment in the Mavs organization, so there’s that.

They probably figured they were buying low on Porzingis, when in fact it was likely the opposite.

Cuban is a billionaire. He figures he can buy him out of it. Which he probably will.

The KP news sucks. I was against the trade but if the accusations are true it’s great he’s gone.

The Porzingis trade was a good trade even without this revelation.

It seems so weird that you’d trade for a dude knowing that he has this going on, right?

It seems so weird that you’d trade for a dude knowing that he has this going on, right?

Cuban is the type of owner who falls in love. He’s a fan that way. I am convinced he’s had his sights on KP for years to own the “next Dirk” type Euro. Besides, why should Cuban be scared? The history from Kobe, to Isaiah, to Rose, to himself is that the NBA fraternity is never held accountable for this type of stuff. He probably figures the story will break while KP is rehabbing and then will blow over once next season begins.

it’s also possible the mavericks have more information than we do. it’s a low bar at the moment.

I’ve been thinking about this KP story. Reportedly, the woman lives in the same apartment complex he was living in and it happened the day he hurt his knee. It seems to me that maybe he came home hurt and met her by chance. Perhaps they talked, she was sympathetic to his injury and he invited her up. She was being a nice neighbor, but he went after sex. I am honestly more sympathetic to Rose than to KP.

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The report indicates that the woman said KP held her down and raped her, which if true would be an obvious case of rape. As far as the money stuff, if KP did rape her he still probably doesn’t believe that he did and so withdrew the money offer out of simmering resentment. It may not be intuitive, but it’s entirely plausible. Let’s wait for more evidence before saying for sure, but the story is highly credible so far, and I’m very glad he’s not on my team anymore.

Accused- the new guilty
Either way, glad this off the court distraction is the Maverick’s problem

Best thing to do is not jumping to conclusions.

The only thing we can say for sure is that, whatever the end result of this, the Knicks are way better off without KP on their roster.

Everything else is gut reaction and will lead nowhere good.

(As an aside, if there is something wrong with this generation because alleged rape cases aren’t treated lightly and dismissively, color me wrong very gladly. Rape is a disgusting thing and it’s only normal that people react accordingly. We have to give KP the benefit of the doubt, but we also have to jump off whatever high horse we might be on).

The report indicates that the woman said KP held her down and raped her, which if true would be an obvious case of rape. As far as the money stuff, if KP did rape her he still probably doesn’t believe that he did and so withdrew the money offer out of simmering resentment. It may not be intuitive, but it’s entirely plausible. Let’s wait for more evidence before saying for sure, but the story is highly credible so far, and I’m very glad he’s not on my team anymore.

Obviously whether anyone likes or dislikes KP no one knows what happend. I always though Derek Jeter was a little creepy for having surveillance camera in his bedroom, but he told everybody up front and that way he never had a “She said…. He said” problem.

There may be a bit of a cultural issue here. I used to date a Latvian gal in Sunny Isle Beach here in Florida and she told me that Latvian men were completely different than American men on the sexually aggressive scale. And that was acceptable behavior in Latvia as well as other places she mentioned (Georgia and the Ukraine she mentioned).

Clearly, that doesn’t excuse any boorish behavior (or worse) but there may be a component of “perception” here. Personally, I think KP is a self absorbed little twit full capable of what he is accused of especially when feeling sorry for himself and after having a drink (or maybe more)as anus said.

One doesn’t have to be woke to invoke the presumption of innocence as well as allowing the woman to have a fair and complete hearing of her complaint. It is just fundamental fairness as well as the law,

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This here is all the problems I have with your posts in a nutshell.

Nobody, including me, said he’s guilty or have assumed he’s guilty, you’re making the “counterpoint” that the woman might have fabricated the story out of nothing before anyone even argued that she’s saying the truth.

And then the cherry on top of it with the “damn, the kids these days!!”

Of course he won’t be proven guilty, it’s been a year and it’s a lot more likely that there’s no proof since it seems she wasn’t examined at the time, so unless she has proof of the money transactions, he’ll get out of this just like Rose, Kobe and others did, without it affecting their careers at all.

But yeah, let’s start some drama about how we need to protect poor Kristaps’ career that is in danger because of some random girl! Damn this generation, always trying to at least give some credence to a person who might have been the victim of an abject crime!

As I’ve said before, I don’t get too caught up in these kinds of allegations. My assumption is that every sports team that I root for has players (and owners and management) that have engaged in some sort of nefarious activity. Some get caught, some don’t. Some get falsely accused, some don’t. If KP, Dotson, Rose, etc. are on my team, I’ll root for them to play well. If Jesus Christ, Gandhi, and Pete Seeger were on the Celtics, I’d root for them to go down in flames. Whatever that makes me, at least it doesn’t make me a hypocrite.

This is your actual position? So if you’re a Ravens fan, and you see Ray Rice knock his wife the fuck out, you say, “Eh, I bet some other guys have done it and not gotten caught?” I honestly thought you were better than that. I hope you take that as a compliment.

Also, the usual suspects with the same nonsense posts in this thread. We don’t need to comment on the allegations yet because the details are so scant.

Porzingis isn’t guilty. He’s accused. Now let’s stop trying to assume the accuser’s motivations and stop trying to exonerate Porzingis for being a rich, famous man who wouldn’t ever need to force his penis inside another human because he’s so rich and famous that he’d never want to do that.

If he did it, i hope he goes to jail. after that, i’d rather focus on our new star, Mitch Rob. and we know if mitch ever goes within 3 feet of a girl the refs will call a foul

There is something wrong with this generation.

More nostalgic, fictional, ahistorical bullshit from the peanut gallery. Might want to look in the mirror, boomer.

Now they start with an assumption of guilt any time there’s an accusation. That’s just as bad. You should listen to the accusation, look at the evidence, and go from there. You don’t start off with a bias in one direction or the other.

And with this you’re really trying to tell us you’re not biased to the other position, of dismissing the accusation first and then seeing what comes out of it? Because that’s what you’re doing when you say it’s politically fashionable to trust the women’s words, or that “something doesn’t smell right”.

If you want people to be unbiased and wait for the results of an investigation before saying shit, maybe you should start by taking that position yourself.

I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it before even knowing it will fall on deaf ears once more. Most left leaning groups and individuals are quick to jump to the defense of women who are victims of violence because most of the times, they’re in the right. There’s studies that estimate the amount of rape accusations in the US that are proven fake to be around 2% to 10% of the cases, which would mean that an overwhelming majority of reported abuse cases are real.

So yeah I’ll keep taking the victim’s side, because that’s not only the more human thing to do, but it’s also far more likely to be the correct side to take, even tho I’m in my thirties so what the hell could I possibly know right.

the FBI has been investigating the “woman” for several months at the request of KP’s attorney.

Why the scare quotes around the word woman? Seriously, what is up with that?

Your posts on this have a rather pathetic “old man yells at cloud” quality to them.

I cannot watch the Naked Gun movies due to OJ Simpson’s presence in them. I enjoyed them once upon a time, but couldn’t get far into the first one again some time after all the revelations than came out about him. I could not root for Derrick Rose when he was here (really, I rooted for him to fail).

I guess we all have our limits. I can only compartmentalize that stuff so far.

KP case is way too early to make any judgement about.

Is it possible that overall everyone agrees here? Everyone is saying the same thing, “Listen to her, believe her until proven otherwise, and don’t make any major decisions on the accused’s career and life until we know for sure.”

As the balance of power changes in these cases, yes, it seems accusers have a ton of leverage, even if they are in fact lying. But don’t forget how bad the power balance was until just a couple of years ago. It just means that the imbalance harbored a lot of potential energy in where the pendulum was stuck; now we have to release it, let the kinetics flow, and ride it out.

“I cannot watch the Naked Gun movies due to OJ Simpson’s presence in them. I enjoyed them once upon a time, but couldn’t get far into the first one again some time after all the revelations than came out about him. I could not root for Derrick Rose when he was here (really, I rooted for him to fail).

I guess we all have our limits. I can only compartmentalize that stuff so far.

KP case is way too early to make any judgement about.”

See, my feeling is that once you say you “can only compartmentalize that stuff so far” you suggest that it depends on something other than the allegations/crime. And currently, by rooting for the Knicks and by doing anything that supports them financially (including boosting ratings by watching games) you are condoning their practices of hiring known credibly accused sex offenders (Rose and Dotson were known commodities before they were brought on board) and supporting an organization that to this day refuses to acknowledge that Isiah Thomas and others engaged in sexual harassment. If you are not boycotting all things Knicks, then fine, just don’t have the temerity to criticize others because their own personal “line” is not drawn where you choose to draw yours.

That goes for the left, right, athletes and fans, AOC and Trump. Young guys and old. Everyone’s way too intolerant, no one listens to anyone , at least not with the openness to change their mind or to get at the truth. No one gives a shit. Including people here. It’s all talking over each other, screaming, chaos, my feelings versus yours, my facts versus yours, and overall obstinance.
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don’t have the temerity to criticize others because their own personal “line” is not drawn where you choose to draw yours.

Good grief, dude! I was not at all criticizing you or anyone else at all, just saying how I feel about rooting for guys who behave (very) badly. You’re the one that just launched the personal attack.

That goes for the left, right, athletes and fans, AOC and Trump. Young guys and old. Everyone’s way too intolerant, no one listens to anyone , at least not with the openness to change their mind or to get at the truth. No one gives a shit. Including people here. It’s all talking over each other, screaming, chaos, my feelings versus yours, my facts versus yours, and overall obstinance.

Tolerance is not inherently virtuous. We should not be tolerant of people who plot to shoot places of worship, nor the ideologies that call for such acts to be carried out. We should not be tolerant of protesters who harm bystanders. We should not be tolerant of the chief executive of our federal government calling for the censorship of a press critical toward him. We should not be tolerant of our government failing to protect us from mass surveillance by public and private entities alike. We should not be tolerant of people who enable accused rapists by smearing the credibility and character of those who, to their peril, make those accusations public. We should not be tolerant of tainted public water irreparably poisoning young people when their brains are at the greatest risk of harm. We should not be tolerant of rich, inherited-wealth billionaire assholes who enable sexual harassment by his chosen executive and then places that person in a position of enormous power over a women’s organization under his control.

Being critical does not mean being tolerant. It means that I will listen to what you have to say, and when you say something like, “Wind turbines are bad for the country because it’s not always windy outside,” I will call you a fucking moron and wonder how the fuck anyone could tolerate such a reductive, stupid, craven, crass and morally-bankrupt human being being in charge of a lemonade stand, much less the world’s largest and most functionally-diverse government.

I know I’m late on this, but our bigs just combined for 6 steals and 7 blocks. Damn! I’ll take that every day.

Jowles- No, I never said that. I said to be tolerant of other views and philosophies. I don’t like anything about Trump, but I tend to like some conservative thinkers on tax reform, how to deal with countries like Iran, and how to best solve the healthcare crisis. (Did I upset you? I’m not trying to be evil. I’m trying to figure out what I think is best for everyone, i have a different perspective). I don’t like Beto, Bernie, and the new socialist democrats, but I believe in social progressivism.

If someone watches The Naked Gun, is he bad? If someone roots for Vick, or likes German cars, or is a Republican, is he bad?

There is much to be tolerant about, because people disagree all the time, like parents who want the best for their child, but I never said to be tolerant of evil. To make everything black and white is the sign of an intolerant mind.

We’ve already established that we have zero respect for each other. So whatever.

You’re obviously smart and sometimes funny, I respect that.
You can even decide to separate people’s character from their work achievements. But please don’t shrug at it, because you’re shrugging at intense pain.

Hey, y’know, I don’t know if KP did this, we all have very little information about this whole situation. So sure. Wait and see.

But really, this is kiiiiiinda another data point suggesting an overall wackness to Kristaps Porzingis. Injury prone, major flaws as a player, diva attitude, forces you to deal with his d-bag hanger-on of a brother, and now this. I’m just not feeling this dude at all.

Glad he is somebody else’s problem, and I’m more than glad we were able to pick up some assets in exchange for dumping him.

If someone watches The Naked Gun, is he bad? If someone roots for Vick, or likes German cars, or is a Republican, is he bad?

No. There are lines to be drawn in the wake of any of these allegations, and those lines should be set by an individual.

There’s a different argument when we’re talking about the enrichment of the accused artists. It would seem insane to me to pay R. Kelly in 2019 to sing songs about sex and romance, now that we know what we know. But it would also seem insane to anyone to call for a legal ban on his material.

I haven’t met a good racist yet, so you’ll have to qualify what you mean by “Republican.” Do you mean the ones who think that black people tend to live in slums because they’re too dumb, lazy and immoral to raise themselves out of poverty?

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Yup, that’s a great summary. People don’t get angry at his opinions per se, it’s always the way he puts them forward with this world view that is so ingrained in prejudice and thinking he’s the smartest dude around all the time.

I’ve seen it so many times it barely moves me anymore, I was fully expecting this reaction to the KP situation and well, it’s the same shit again. Arguing with a brick wall is not fun.

No, Jowles, the other kind. Do you really think all Republicans are racists?

Most Republicans voted for a racist to be president, so

Tolerance is not inherently virtuous. We should not be tolerant of people who plot to shoot places of worship, nor the ideologies that call for such acts to be carried out. We should not be tolerant of protesters who harm bystanders. We should not be tolerant of the chief executive of our federal government calling for the censorship of a press critical toward him. We should not be tolerant of our government failing to protect us from mass surveillance by public and private entities alike. We should not be tolerant of people who enable accused rapists by smearing the credibility and character of those who, to their peril, make those accusations public. We should not be tolerant of tainted public water irreparably poisoning young people when their brains are at the greatest risk of harm. We should not be tolerant of rich, inherited-wealth billionaire assholes who enable sexual harassment by his chosen executive and then places that person in a position of enormous power over a women’s organization under his control.

Or of politicians and prominent members the national media fabricating Red Scare narratives in a cynical attempt to stoke anti-Russian hysteria among the American electorate to cover for electoral maleficence.

The money is the key. If KP was willing to pay this woman off I have serious doubts about his innocence in the whole matter. If I was accused of a heinous crime that I didn’t commit I wouldn’t pay a dime to suppress the allegation where it becomes a private slander. I would fight publicly to counter the charge and clear my name because I have nothing to hide. But it’s always the scumbags who pay off their victims like Harvey Weinstein and Michael Jackson who are guilty as sin because they do have something to hide.

Or of people who have such a massive boner for Bernie Sanders that the boner gets in their eyes and it obstructs their vision of things that are clear as day, such as the plain fact that Mueller report concluded that Russians interfered in the 2016 US election to help Donald Trump and harm Hillary Clinton

Really? Where’s the evidence of this massive conspiracy to subvert our election? Oh, that’s right. They still haven’t shown it and won’t ever show it now that not one single American has been charged with collusion. How convenient.

I would work on new excuses ahead of time for why Bernie Sanders loses the 2020 primary. “DNC stole-ded it” is getting kind of stale

“Collusion with the Trump campaign” is not the same thing as “Russians tried to influence the election,” numbnuts.

Um, the document which was signed by Rosenstein included the allegation that there were links or coordination between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and the Russian government. That was the main charge which began the investigation. If foreign government influence were the actual issue then you’d have to investigate every presidential candidate who receives money from foreign lobbyists, which not only included Hillary Clinton’s campaign, but just about every Democratic and Republican federal campaign in recent history. But let’s not let the details get in the way of our witch hunt here. I am sure a special investigation will be opened up looking into Saudi, or Israeli or Chinese “interference” into our national elections any minute from now…

Jesus, I forgot Ntilikina read the whole unredacted report. Completely forgot he wasn’t just privy to the 4-page summary by the guy who wrote an unsolicited memo to the DOJ establishing his prejudice against the entire investigation before he had seen a shred of non-public evidence. Why are we arguing with this guy, again? He obviously has some contacts at The Young Turks who have access to such documents.

I would work on new excuses ahead of time for why Bernie Sanders loses the 2020 primary. “DNC stole-ded it” is getting kind of stale

LOL What? The DNC admitted they rigged the election when its chair Debbie Wassherman-Schultz resigned and was then replaced with Donna Brazile, who then wrote a book admitting that everything in the Podesta emails was true. Donna Brazile, by the way, is no “Bernie-Bro” she is a long-time DNC shill and Clinton supporter with ties to its establishment back when she mismanaged Al Gore’s 2000 campaign.

Just make sure you have a good excuse for when he loses this time.

My mouth is already watering at the taste of those delicious tears.

Hey Ntilikina, did the Russians hack the Clinton campaign and then disseminate the information gathered to help the Trump campaign or nah?

Think hard about this one.

Jesus, I forgot Ntilikina read the whole unredacted report. Completely forgot he wasn’t just privy to the 4-page summary by the guy who wrote an unsolicited memo to the DOJ establishing his prejudice against the entire investigation before he had seen a shred of non-public evidence. Why are we arguing with this guy, again? He obviously has some contacts at The Young Turks who have access to such documents.

It’s funny you keep mentioning the Young Turks when its founder Cenk Uygur is has been one of the most vociferous proponents of the Russian collusion narrative, even ridiculing Michael Tracey for his skepticism on the matter. But I can cite a good number of other journalists including Matt Tiabbi, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal etc. who have done very good work in dissecting this Russiagate nonsense. If you’re going to fixate one aspect of my point at least pick a better one to dismiss.

Look, I know that you and the other liberal partisans having an emotional breakdown over this whole issue can’t wait to read the memo to find any smoking gun you can use to salvage this entire farce. But the game is over. Mueller – the supposedly great paragon of prosecutorial virtue – isn’t denying that Barr mischaracterized his findings on the actual main point of his investigation, which we all know was primarily concerned with members of the Trump Campaign conspiring or coordinating with the Russian government in its election interference activities. The rest will be the same garden variety corruption and conflicts of special interest ranging from money laundering, fraud, tax evasion, and bribery which a white collar crook like Trump accumulated throughout his shady business career.

Bernie Bros such as this one are really, really in love with the “I told you so” narrative that came with Trump beating Clinton. So anything that conflicts with this very important narrative cannot exist.

Clinton blew the election, her strategy sucked and really she mostly has herself to blame. But no! That is not enough for the Bernie Bro. For the Bernie Bro to be fully vindicated it must ALSO be true that there was no effort by Russia to help Donald Trump. It must be true that the Democratic Part was not hacked by Russia, and that the results of that hack benefitted Trump. It is just too much of a stain on their beautiful narrative.

That’s the level of childishness we are dealing with here.

Bernie Bros such as this one are really, really in love with the “I told you so” narrative that came with Trump beating Clinton. So anything that conflicts with this very important narrative cannot exist.

You’re not wrong, but I think it’s worth pointing out this is a very small, very online contingent of Bernie Sanders supporters. Polls show that most are normal people who want universal healthcare but would also vote for a mannequin against Trump. Bernie himself has always maintained Russian hacking is a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed, and campaigned vigorously for Democrats up and down the ballot in 2016.

Some more details are trickling out about the Porzingis allegation and they only add to how disturbing the whole thing is. As others have said, no matter what happened I’m very happy this guy is no longer on the Knicks.

How is it possible that we wound up trading away the injury prone, overrated volume scorer with a credible rape allegation? It shows a very clear departure from Phil Jackson’s team building strategy, in which you go out of your way to acquire guys who fit that description.

He’s got his sources which tell him that other sources are somehow nefariously involved in some conspiracy and can’t be trusted.

Do as any rational person would do. Look at my sources to see where they are wrong or where I have misstated the evidence. The one source I cited here today was the actual chairperson of the DNC who in her own words admitted to finding a conspiracy between the DNC and Clinton campaigns to influence the Democratic primary when she came into office after replacing her disgraced predecessor. The funny thing is that the people who ate up ridiculous conspiracy theories of Trump and Putin collaboration are the same people who can’t even accept that Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz were in cahoots, despite the blatant evidence including the fact that the former gave the latter a job in her campaign after she resigned from the DNC.

Just stop dude. Sometimes you have a point, sometimes you don’t, but regardless it’s always obvious that your intention is just to stir people up and/or derail the discussion already taking place. It’s the very definition of trolling, and everyone notices it.

I really don’t know why you do it. Your posts tend to be pretty good when you’re not being a jackass because you feel like it.

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Fair enough. I apologize if I side-railed the discussion here. It really wasn’t my intention to veer it so far off track. I was just interested to see how the same people who preach intolerance to injustice when it’s convenient to virtue signal could do it in other circumstances when they have to admit they’re wrong.

Strat knew a lot about the presumption of innocence when it came to the rape allegation, but ate Porzingis’ “extortion” claim up without a shred of evidence. His reaction could not have been more on brand, unless he somehow worked a diatribe about simply “winning trades” in there.

MSU Duke is definitely a riveting game.

Eek. Did you guys read the latest on the KP rape rumors? It seems as if there’s a highly racialized component to this I (at least) wasn’t aware of:

Former Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis allegedly called a black woman a “slave” and a “b—h” as he beat and raped her, according to a report.

The 7-foot-3 athlete, who is white, is accused of referring to the woman as “my b—h” and “my slave,” adding that he owned her, during the alleged Feb. 7, 2018, sex assault in Porzingis’s Manhattan penthouse, according to TMZ.

The woman made the claim to cops, the Web site said.

Law-enforcement sources told The Post — which broke the story Saturday that the NYPD is investigating the rape allegation against the hoops star — that they could not immediately confirm that he used the vile language.

Hours after suffering a gruesome knee injury during a game, Porzingis, 23, allegedly punched and raped the 29-year-old woman inside the Midtown skyscraper where they both lived, sources told The Post.

Porzingis, who now plays for the Dallas Mavericks, has denied the allegations and said through his lawyer that the accuser tried to extort him.

He needs to get in front of this story and give his side to it because it just looks worse and worse for him as time moves on.

Oh shit, Dolan’s Razor may still be a thing:

Report: Knicks didn't inform Mavericks of allegation of rape against Porzingis https://t.co/u97lSWkBtU pic.twitter.com/BlEyhpKhx1— theScore NBA (@theScoreNBA) March 31, 2019

The issue of contention here is that the league sources claim the Knicks FO mentioned “extortion” but specifically excluded the subject of “rape” from their conversations with the Mavs FO. It will be very interesting to see if Silver gets involved here and makes the Knicks FO renege the deal or offer some type of compensation for not fully disclosing the situation. Imagine if KP has to return to NYC after all of this has been said and done?

So, I don’t get a lot of things right, because by my nature I look for things that are improbable, but I said this here a while ago:

I know next to nothing about college basketball. I do know that Tom Izzo is the Pop of the NCAA, though, and that Mike Kr_____sky is one of the worst game coaches I’ve ever seen (based on USA basketball). So I took a flier on Izzo being able to force Cam Reddish and RJ Barrett to beat them and picked Michigan State to be in the final 4. Hopefully that will carry me because I don’t know what the hell else is going on.

And now I’m in position to win my pool if MSU wins this darn tourney.

Donna Brazile is a kook who was trying to sell a book, and after she got an initial round of publicity with her claims, she went on CNN and basically said “yeah, never mind all that.”

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html

Ignore that part though. That doesn’t fit in with the “Saint Bernie Cannot Lose, He Can Only Have It Taken Away From Him” narrative that the Bros hold so near and dear.

Guess who else had a joint fundraising agreement with the DNC? You’ll never guess, Ntilikina! I’ll give you a hint, his name rhymes with “Schmernie Schmanders.”

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Depends upon the rules for full disclosure. But, I mean, a team has to be able to conduct its own due diligence in these matters as well. It’s why they have their own medical staff examine athletes as well, to see if their own appraisal matches with the bill of goods they have been sold. I can’t imagine that Cuban, Nelson and Carlisle were made aware of an extortion case involving a woman and didn’t do their own homework, even if it meant asking KP and his brother what the whole affair was about. If they did and were satisfied then they deserve whatever they got. And if they didn’t then they were too stupid to complain about being lied to.

Either way, this is another black eye on our much maligned front office. It’s been excoriated in the press for all sorts of improprieties over the better part of two decades under Dolan for everything ranging from frathouse harassment to mistreating its star players so why not add shady trade practices to the mix? I am sure teams will be willing to deal with us in good faith after this whole thing…sigh…

I know Barrett is a complicated prospect with lots of strengths and weaknesses, but I gotta say I do not want that guy on the Knicks. It’s a purely visceral reaction. My Knicksy alarm is going off. It’s similar to how I felt about Jahlil Okafor.

The Knicks have nothing to worry about in this situation. I mean, what, did Mark Cuban in his infinite wisdom not follow up with “interesting, on what basis is he being extorted?” That’s a leak from the Mavs to make them look less shitty to people who don’t want to think for a second.

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Really? Bernie Sanders had the same disclosure with the DNC that allowed his campaign the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, that would allow it to make final decisions on all the other staff, and to control its money and finances which were then laundered into its coffers through state campaigns as the Clinton campaign had? Really? You expect me to believe this nonsense?

Ah, but Brazile retracted her comment after major pressure directed at her by Clinton loyalists like John Podesta (whose emails showed even more dirty play), Robby Mook and Jennifer Palmieri signed an open letter disavowing the claims she made in her book. Surprise. I agree with Chris Calizza and Elizabeth Warren on this issue. Only a partisan would think the primary was evenly mediated by the DNC.

There were some sketchy things happening at the DNC in 2016. There is zero evidence any of them cost Bernie Sanders the nomination. Can we stop talking about this forever now?

please don’t tell me its structurally impossible for the DNC to interfere in the primary when the argument is that the Clinton campaign co-opted the entire organization as an ancillary wing of their entire enterprise

The DNC doesn’t run the primaries. Those are run by state parties, which are entirely independent. They aren’t in a position to rig anything. They are by no means the only funding distributor. They can’t do what you’re accusing them of doing. And, as has been pointed out, Bernie had the same setup Clinton did. This is precisely what I was talking about.

Duke lost though. Small victories.

i can’t remember other cases, it it typical for the union to come out and basically say they’ve reviewed the allegations side with the player in cases like this?

Zion was so good he made me root for Duke. Good game. NCAAs really picked up after a slow first couple of rounds.

I’m so glad that Zion never has to bail out Reddish and Barrett again. Those two look like a pair of busts to these eyes.

As I think about it more, how does someone disclose the alleged extortion without referencing the alleged rape, as in “she is threatening to go to the police and accuse him of rape if he does not pay her the $68,000 he said he would.”

It does take a real lack of common sense bordering upon Forrest Gump levels of naivete not to put 2 + 2 together to deduce how an anonymous woman would try to extort a professional athlete. I wonder if the Mavericks FO are just trying to cover their collective asses here for posterity’s sake.

damn, didn’t know kevin spacey had done some evil shit…it’s hard to keep up with them all…it may take a while, but, in this day and age – the light can shine bright on really dark stuff…that’s a good thing – I wonder how long before mister kraft and his very wee willy makes his appearance on pornhub…

watched some michael jackson court interview thing wherein he tried to equate his behavior to that of jesus’ concept of love…it was sick and disturbing…latoya was the only one who raised a flag…

didn’t know jeter kept cameras in the bedroom…I wish I had video evidence of myself in my prime getting freaky days…dirk digler had nothing on me – or, so I remember…

This blog is all over the fucking place today – epic.

The only thing missing that I can think of were some recipes.

Getting Zion on the Knicks would be a complete game changer. God Damn those flattened odds this year!

Vincoug is the real MVP

didn’t know jeter kept cameras in the bedroom…I wish I had video evidence of myself in my prime getting freaky days…dirk digler had nothing on me – or, so I remember

I think I once asked you to follow the punctuation rules of standard written English. Please never take advice from me. You are a board treasure.

The mire poix part is the most vital.

That’s a leak from the Mavs to make them look less shitty to people who don’t want to think for a second.

Seems very likely. For once, I’m not overly concerned. Cuban just needs some plausible deniability.

I gotta hand it to the FO for getting themselves out of this situation before it became a mess. Where would be now without that trade? We’d be faced with either having to negotiate with an alleged rapist who feels entitled to a max contract or trying to trade a player who hadn’t played in 1.5 years and had a potential criminal proceeding hanging over him.

The trade seems to have come as a surprise to KP, so I don’t think the Mavs would have gotten an opportunity to talk to him. That said, even if the Knicks gave all the information they had on the alleged extortion, it was a year old incident at the time of the trade, so it’s easy to imaging the Mavs didn’t worry very much about it.

If KP really said the things alleged in the link, it’s easy to imagine the woman got pissed off and didn’t let things slide. Sometimes a person can be his own worst enemy.

I think this blog needs to go on hiatus so everyone can chill until May 14th which is when the draft lottery is held.

@150 – Thanks. all bases have now been covered

Maybe he’s still hurt or whatever, but Reddish looked like trash today. I really hope the Knicks don’t end up with him. Barrett did not impress me much either, he played tentatively most of the game.