2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pacers

Oops, I thought that this game was at 8pm. My bad!

Anyhow, the Knicks host the Indiana Pacers in a big game in terms of keeping them in the top half of the Eastern Conference playoff picture. Derrick Rose is back, which is big.

Every game up until (and including) Christmas, I’ll share a bit from a classic TV Christmas Special.

Here’s Judy Garland singing a Christmas medley with her daughter, Liza, and Jack Jones on Garland’s Christmas special…

Let’s go, Knicks!

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134 thoughts to “2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pacers”

  1. Noah looks alive!

    I’m glad I’m not an Indiana fan, I’d be so pissed if my team was wasting George’s prime with dudes like Thad Young, Jeff Teague and Monta Ellis.

  2. There’s no rim protector on God’s green earth that can handle a continuous stream of guards driving into the lane with no perimeter resistance.

  3. on the brightside… 24-26 pts is probably the lowest pt total for an opponent in the first quarter in a long while…

  4. When you’re already seeing the “Melo-iso bail out” offense halfway through the 1st quarter, you know it’s gonna be a long night

  5. What a God awful final few minutes to the quarter. Knicks offense looks like shit tonight.

    While true, the Pacers look awful, too (0-5 from three), so I think that the Knicks still have a very good chance in this game. Just be the first team to stop playing awful.

  6. When I watch Indiana / Boston / Atlanta / Charlotte I start to believe the Knicks could be a 3rd seed, these teams are so obviously flawed… then I watch the Knicks, and I realize they are pretty much all awful.

    the Knicks helped recover Faried last game, now they decided to help Jefferson it seems.

  7. When I watch Indiana / Boston / Atlanta / Charlotte I start to believe the Knicks could be a 3rd seed, these teams are so obviously flawed… then I watch the Knicks, and I realize they are pretty much all awful.

    I wouldn’t say awful in general (tonight? perhaps), but yes, the Knicks are basically right there with all of those other teams, but that’s really a good thing, as some good breaks will mean that one of these mediocre teams will have home court in the playoffs. Why not the Knicks?

  8. Slightly off topic, but after that KOQ dunk, it really seems this year the Knicks are executing well out of time outs. Not spectacularly, but obviously better than the last few years.

  9. What’s particularly infuriating is that when Jennings gets beaten off the dribble, he makes absolutely no attempt to recover

  10. I agree Brian, I’m pretty happy with this actually, because this situation means my two best scenarios for this team are still somewhat possible: either get behind the pack and receive a good pick, or get 3rd place and have at least a semi-competitive series with Toronto

  11. Noah at the FT line is SNL worthy…i could match his % punting the ball towards the basket i think

  12. the Pacers are giving us the chance to stay close by missing free throws and the Knicks are squandering that advantage by passing terribly… this sucks.

  13. Thaddeus Young and Al Jefferson killing us. Noah and Melo killing us. KP not playing well. O’Quinn and Jennings erratic. What a team.

  14. Somebody has to straighten out KP to stop the isoball and crazy shots. We already have a guy for that.

  15. after we had beat the lakers i went to sign up for league pass on my tv – my provider is fios which verizon recently sold to frontier which i believe may now be in negotiations to sell again…i got this message saying that stuff was going on and they were unable to process my request…

    i truly am beginning to believe in divine intervention…

  16. This is a truly torpid game of “basketball”

    For serious. But hey, they closed the half out well. Rose had a good streak there at the end, which was much needed.

  17. Lucky you geo, every year I sign up for League Pass hoping for a Knicks fans we feel sorry for you special discount but never happens.

  18. I seriously forgot that Ellis was on the Pacers (and not playing). I was wondering why their guard rotation was odd.

  19. This is the most depressing game of the season. At home vs a mediocre team on a 2nd of a back to back and they’re getting dominated. Horny after the game should bust out with the Jim Mora don’t talk about playoffs speech.

  20. The Pacers are actually better without Ellis, Robinson III is a decent player and is one less ball dominating player on the court.

    but there’s no excuse for how flat the Knicks look, considering the Pacers had a very tough game against the Wizards just yesterday.

  21. hey GoNy…that’s cool, so that whole discount thing was legit…nice…

    boo for all of us that can’t be there ;-)

  22. I picked a bad game form my annual visit to the garden

    Maybe you picked a good one because of the amazing comeback later!

    But yeah, most likely…not so good.

  23. KP was carrying the team earlier in the season. He slowed down a couple weeks ago, and O’Quinn and Rose picked up some of the slack, but that’s gone away as well, so now we’re Carmelo Anthony and a bunch of unremarkable players like we’ve been most of the time since Melo got here. Except now Melo is 32 and lives (and dies) off well defended jumpers.

    Go look at KP’s splits last season by quarter and number of days rest. The contrast is stark. He can’t play 35 MPG at this point. You want him to have his legs and make his jumpers, he needs to play limited minutes — 25-30 mpg.

  24. kp should be playing less minutes but the main issue is his shot distribution and not holding his own on the boards…

  25. Whoever thought trading George Hill for Jeff Teague was a good idea should be instantly fired lol

  26. Awesome comeback with Noah and KP on the bench.
    Rose Lee Holiday Melo Oak are the secret sauce.

  27. the Bucks came from down 19 to being ahead of Cleveland by 3… wow.

    are they making the leap? I’m starting to believe so.

  28. shout out to Nate McMillan for putting Lavoy Allen to guard KP! he looks like a different player in the 4th ahahha

  29. someone tell Melo to stay in his seat and rest up. I like him cheering his teamates but I want that old body to relax. lol.

  30. if the Knicks win this one, it’s on Melo’s explosion in the 3rd, not Rose dude.

    Rose is doing very well in the 4th, but without Melo’s improbable run this game would be over.

  31. We got our 3 threes in 3 minutes and I’ll forego the 3 blocks for a later date

  32. All of Melo, KP, D Rose, and Joakim Noah are shooting over 50% from the field.

    Suck it, Theo!

  33. Melo has two of those threes. One to go. It’s been a long time since Noah was on the floor in the fourth as the Knicks closed out a (likely) win.

  34. this is the token Carmelo Anthony win: he goes off and the Knicks win a game they shouldn’t have.

    I’ll take it, despite the honestly awful basketball.

    today Carmelo was better than George, and when that happens the Knicks should always beat Indiana on the second game of a back to back.

  35. @Geo – and he tickets are better than I thought they would be :)

    The Knicks decided to finally show up! KP got hot. When KP, Melo and Rose are all hitting their shots, the Knicks can be an offensive force. Noah with the double-double looking spry.

  36. I’ll take it, despite the honestly awful basketball.

    You gotta love this one. But it really shows the whole concept of how tightly packed all these Eastern teams are from #3-10.

  37. @87 yeah, it’s the perfect game to illustrate that exact concept hahaha

    the truth is, when Anthony plays like he did today, the Knicks are the 3rd best team in the east… the 7 threes he hit were incredibly huge… it opens up so much space for everyone else to play their game.

    the issue is how to make this a consistent thing, and not a once in every 10 games thing. (hint: I don’t really think it’s possible to do it)

  38. The great thing is that someone has to be the #3 and #4 seeds, so it just as easily could be the Knicks as any of these teams.

  39. This went from being the most disheartening loss of the season to the most inspiring win of the season.

  40. Who’s propelling us towards victory?

    Hint: initials are DR

    When did Melo get a honorary doctorate?

  41. I know that the Pacers couldn’t buy a three tonight, but their end-game strategy was still absurd. “Let’s go for quick twos down 9!”

  42. the difference between the #3 and the #4 is getting a good series against the Raptors, or getting wrecked by Cavs… so I would rather have the Knicks as the 3rd or 6th seed, because everyone outside of Toronto and Cleveland are winnable matchups as of now.

  43. Seven goddamn threes. That really is amazing. I remember when a Knick player making seven threes was record-breaking, so I’m still pre-disposed to be amazed by it.

  44. the difference between the #3 and the #4 is getting a good series against the Raptors, or getting wrecked by Cavs… so I would rather have the Knicks as the 3rd or 6th seed, because everyone outside of Toronto and Cleveland are winnable matchups as of now.

    I do agree with that. I’d prefer to be #6 than #4/5 for that very reason. Especially because whoever ends up being the #3 is not going to be someone that would be all that imposing.

  45. I still can’t believe they traded George Hill for this brat Teague, my goodness.

    this was a superstar game from Melo, undoubtedly… as much as I generally criticize him, today he gets a free pass.

  46. this was a superstar game from Melo, undoubtedly…

    Rose, KP and Noah all had very nice games, as well, but yeah, holy shit, what a game (hell, what a QUARTER) from Melo.

  47. I still can’t believe they traded George Hill for this brat Teague, my goodness.

    I was so confused by it when the trade happened. Especially because Teague isn’t even really all that young!

  48. Rose shot 7 free throws, that was amazing, but the rest of his game was ok… 24 in 18 shots, 6 assists and 4 turnovers, nothing amazing. He did move the ball well in the 4th quarter and attacked the rim a lot, when he does that he’s a plus for this team.

    KP blocked 3 shots and picked up 8 rebounds, which I love, but he did struggle quite a bit in the 1st half… I do think McMillan helped us a lot, since both big threes he hit were when Lavoy Allen inexplicably was guarding him.

  49. Rose shot 7 free throws, that was amazing, but the rest of his game was ok… 24 in 18 shots, 6 assists and 4 turnovers, nothing amazing. He did move the ball well in the 4th quarter and attacked the rim a lot, when he does that he’s a plus for this team.

    KP blocked 3 shots and picked up 8 rebounds, which I love, but he did struggle quite a bit in the 1st half… I do think McMillan helped us a lot, since both big three he hit were when Lavoy Allen inexplicably was guarding him.

    They weren’t nearly as good as Melo was, true, but they had good games.

    But yes, a huge shoutout to Nate McMillan’s bizarre rotations! They were a big help.

  50. Good to see Noah (or as Clyde would say, Noer) contributing, we really need him to have more games like this (3-4 from the foul line too!)

  51. @106 yeah, and with Monta Ellis in the roster, they needed exactly a PG who could be a secondary ball handler, spot up for 3s and be consistent… then they traded the best guy in the NBA who fit that role for another guy who needs the ball all the time to be remotely useful lol

  52. The Knicks offense looks great when Melo and KP are just catch n shooters.

    Also, I still wish the knicks could find some way to get Lee 7 3PAs a game though. I know that would double his career average but it would be nice.

  53. It is strange that KP thinks that his game should involve dribbling and shooting at all. It’s an odd idea.

  54. well, it is kinda the general perception of a superstar… that a superstar has to be able to create off the drible, and Porzingis does have the skill to occasionally do it.

    if the Knicks coaches are any good, they will take that idea out of his head pretty fast… I wouldn’t be too hopeful tho.

  55. Oh yeah, he obviously CAN do it, it just really shouldn’t be his game, not when he is such a good catch and shoot shooter and pick and roll finisher.

  56. Porzingis + ball handling = more sneaker sales bros. It’s simple mathematics really.

    I think Porzingis just needs to get stronger so he can use a post game. At the same time, a post game does you no good when you constantly catch the ball 20+ feet away from the basket, so developing a handle is the logical progression.

  57. It’s funny, his game in Europe was a lot like Ryan Anderson’s game, so it was interesting to me to see Anderson on the list of players that djphan shared earlier with similar free throw and rebound rates as KP.

    But then last year, he took his biggest weakness (that he wouldn’t hang inside) and made it an absolute strength of his, which I was so, so impressed by. But I have to admit that it looks like all of that banging did take a lot out of him by the end of the season. So yeah, I think the real thing is that he needs to bulk up so that all that banging doesn’t have the same negative effect.

  58. KP needs to dribble to take advantage of hard closeouts when he’s spotting up from 3pt range but other than that yeah the less dribbles the better.

  59. to be fair, the problem is that for Porzingis to never dribble, the Knicks need a lot of continuity and movement off the ball… and let’s be frank, that happened in the 4th quarter of this game, but it’s definitely not a guarantee when talking about the Knicks.

  60. Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah were ballin like it’s 2011 out there. That’s a welcome sight and if they can be that good consistently we’re the 3rd best team in the conference with room to grow as KP and Willy get better. I do think it’s clear that we need a trade to upgrade a position. We can’t play Hernangomez, Noah, and O’Quinn the minutes they deserve to get and we need defensive help on the perimeter.

  61. I don’t think KP should get much heavier than 250 in playing weight. If he can develop a similar build to Joakim Noah that would be ideal.

  62. Willy Kuz and Sasha stayed late and were practicing their shooting after the game. Nice.

  63. When DRose penetrates suddenly the rest of the ream is getting easy threes. Coincidence? I think not.

  64. i’m not sure if KP really needs bulk up that much… being that tall i fear for his health if he gained about 20lbs…

    guys like bosh and davis are both skinny guys and don’t have great post games but they have amazing face up games and finish strong… kp could probably beat opposing C’s off the dribble but when matched up against opposing 4s he can’t really do that…

    that’s why he either needs a post up game or permanently move to the 5… and the latter is an easy switch if we realized that noah needs to goto the bench….

  65. Back from the game. It’s always different watching from the recliner and watching at the garden. First of all, there’s no instant replay. From my angle it looked like there were a ton of ticky-tack fouls called on the Knicks. It’s probably just me being a homer. The TO’s in the first half were a crime. WTF? There were more good passes into celebrity row then to actual players. And when the Knick point guards weren’t throwing the ball into the stands, they seemed to be handing off the ball to Indy. And when are we going to start defending? When Anthony, Rose and Porzingis are all hitting their shots, this becomes a good offensive team. Noah’s points were nice but it was good to see him go 4-8 from the field and 3-4 from the foul line. Those are good percents. He missed a few layups but it was improvement.

  66. All wins against EC playoff teams are important. We could end up needing the tiebreaker against any of them, given how bunched up the East is.

  67. In my opinion KP doesn’t need to get bigger, but stronger. There’s a marked difference between the two that many people confuse.

  68. In my opinion KP doesn’t need to get bigger, but stronger. There’s a marked difference between the two that many people confuse.

    While technically true, in terms of practicality, if you add the muscle we’re talking about KP adding, he’s going to add weight.

  69. I think Kristaps should focus on gaining strength in a natural way, without a specific weight in mind. He could settle in at 250 or 265. Just let his weight fall where it does.

    He’s never going to lower his center of gravity, so I doubt that he ever becomes a great banger-type low post player. What he can do is make guys pay with fouls on both ends by becoming a bit harder to push out (on offense) or to force under the basket when he tries to box out (on defensive rebounding). In that sense, the guy he should emulate is Kareem. He was a beanpole when he came in to the league at age 22, but he had a great motor, was super-smart, and had an unstoppable offensive move out to 18 feet. KP doesn’t have that yet.

    My biggest issue with KP is his motor. He sometimes looks tired and slow. Not sure whether it’s a conditioning issue or what, but for me, that’s a bigger problem than strength.

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