2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Magic

The Knicks continue their little homestand here leading up to their Christmas Day game against the Boston Celtics by hosting the Orlando Magic.

The Magic are sort of like the reverse Knicks. They’re really good on defense but awful on offense. I think in matchups like that, I tend to think that the offensive team has the slight advantage in that type of match-up, but this will be an interesting exercise in seeing if that’s true or not.

I actually sort of like this Orlando team, and Vogel is doing his typical Vogel things with their defense, but boy, their roster makes no sense at all. They’re going to need to deal some players, but the problem is that everyone knows that they’re going to have to deal some players, so it doesn’t really work. I am one of the biggest anti-Rudy Gay guys out there, but I think he might actually kind of sort of make sense here. They have so much defense that they can carry his awful defense and he’s shooting just well enough to be an improvement here on offense.

Leading up to the Christmas game, I’m sharing clips from old TV Christmas Specials. Today, enjoy the absurdity of a post-divorce Sonny and Cher do terrible rock and roll arrangements of Christmas songs, along with a young (and smoking hot) Bernadette Peters and…Captain Kangaroo?! Chaz Bono is in it, too, back when he was Chastity Bono (Cher sings to her kid with her NEW husband in the video! It’s so freaking weird!)

Let’s go, Knicks!e

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190 thoughts to “2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Magic”

  1. man, what kind of drugs do you think they were all on there…i don’t know, maybe it was just booze???

    all that “cheer” was a little frightening though – like ‘the hill’s have eyes’ people kind of frightening…

    sorry, that video kind of freaked me out a little…go knicks…

  2. Interesting dark gray alts the Magic are wearing. They look like a rugby team.

  3. the putrid defense is back boys…

    come on, we can’t possibly lose to a team that’s starting D.J AUGUSTIN, let’s make it an easy one.

  4. I mean, he should be, Fournier isn’t even that quick and he’s penetrating like he’s goddamn Westbrook out there.

  5. That’s two in the last game; Jennings had one last game that set up a KP 3.

  6. Shitty defense is beating shitty offense so far, which is great! Orlando really needs to change their team. They are wasting Gordon so badly as a 3.

  7. Knicks are lucky that the Magic can’t buy a 3, but they’re not a great outside shooting team to begin with.

    WILLY TIME

  8. I have this eerie feeling that Gordon will never amount to much in the league, I don’t know really why, he seems like he’s regressing, or he’s just bad, I don’t know.

    I know the Magic are about as dysfunctional as possible, but he never really impresses me outside of a few athletic plays.

    Jennings looks very active today!

  9. ok boys, seems like we have yet another awful game of basketball in our hands lol

    let’s hope the result is the same as the last one!

  10. Willy was practicing that three the other night after the game with Sasha and Kuz.

  11. @22

    What do you even do with Ibaka, Biyombo, Vucevic, and Gordon?

    Aw shit Willy’s getting confident shooting 3s

  12. If Willy can add the three to the rest of his burgeoning game they’ll be no stopping him.

  13. I mean, we played against the team who traded George Hill for Jeff Teague straight up last game, now we face the team who managed to trade their 2nd overall pick (who wasn’t great, ok) for a big man, then sign another for 17 million a year while they had 2 big men already in the roster.

    shows a little bit of the mess the eastern conference is lol

  14. mean, we played against the team who traded George Hill for Jeff Teague straight up last game, now we face the team who managed to trade their 2nd overall pick for a big man, then sign another for 17 million a year while they had 2 big men already in the roster.

    shows a little bit of the mess the eastern conference is lol

    Oh, totally, the Eastern Conference is a joke this season, but damn, the Knicks have had such awful luck for years I am more than willing to embrace them actually being lucky with every other Eastern team falling apart this season. They really, really really could get home court in the playoffs this season, which is amazing.

  15. Jennings is doing some wizardry out there. Glad to see him back in his customary role.

  16. @37 oh Brian, I don’t feel pity for them, we have endured our fair share of similarly unbelievable moves over the years too hahaha

    let’s get that 3rd seed!

    btw, I love Kuzminskas and Hernangomez and I will protect them to the end.

  17. a question for debate: is Orlando today’s worst overall situation as a team?

    Philly is a worse team for example, but they have a future to look forward to… Orlando has no young top level prospects, no cap space, a bunch of overlapping in the same positions.

    I think it’s either them, Sacramento, Brooklyn or Dallas.

  18. ha ha ha – the magic are 0 for 10 on threes…don’t want to jinx us – but, we actually have a chance tonight to come out on top at the free throw line…

  19. @51 I’d say Sacramento, because their only asset is Boogie. If he leaves, that team has dark days ahead.

  20. It woulda been awesomely hilarious if Hornacek had said, “maaan FUCK George Karl” lol

  21. yeah Dough, Sacramento and brooklyn might be hard to top, specially since the Nets won’t even have picks.

    but Orlando is just barely good enough to not get a top 5 lottery position, which is such a terrible situation for them

  22. I think his reaction was the PR equivalent of calling Karl a hot mess and backing away slowly

  23. @37 – It’s very conceivable that the 2-3-4 seeds in the East will be from the Atlantic.

    It sure looks that way right now.

  24. By the way, the video of Melo teaching his kid the jab step was the perfect response to Karl.

  25. I sure wish that KP would learn to get position closer to the basket and utilize the sky hook shot that I know he has instead of dribbling through guys from the perimeter so much

  26. KP with another pedestrian performance thus far. It’s starting to worry me. Somebody tell me something the alleviate my concerns please; you can make it up if you want to.

  27. I would normally say Brooklyn, but they’ve at least brought in smart development guys. So I’m going with Sacramento. Orlando, though, reminds me a lot about Sacramento with their moves that don’t seem to have any thought behind them. I mean, how did they not go out and get a single three-point shooter with all of these freakin’ big men?!?!? It’s almost inconceivably stupid.

  28. KP with another pedestrian performance thus far. It’s starting to worry me. Somebody tell me something the alleviate my concerns please; you can make it up if you want to.

    Dude’s 21. The occasional slump is fine.

  29. @55

    The way I see it, Brooklyn seems to have a competent guy in Sean Marks running the show, so I think if they do the no-brainer thing and just hold onto their (future) draft picks they could be OK.

    Orlando could theoretically come to their senses and build around Fournier and Gordon. However, odds are they’ll keep making stupid deals.

  30. By the way, the video of Melo teaching his kid the jab step was the perfect response to Karl.

    nice connection GoNy…happiness and joy are always the best answer/revenge…

  31. @60 lol don’t forget to breathe. It’s good for KP to figure out how to contribute when his shot isn’t falling.

  32. I love KP but he’d be so much better playing on the inside occasionally. He could play likeKareem in there

  33. my issue with the Nets is the ownership situation… will they be ok with a slow rebuild? they seem to be fine so far, I think their coach is pretty talented and they have a good front office, if they manage to stay on the course they will be fine, I agree.

  34. Um, actually — the Nets are up by 16 at halftime on the Warriors, so they’re trending upward. They’ve outscored their opponents in 1 out of their last 1 halves of basketball.

  35. NDour in street clothes. He was a minus 21 the other night playing for Westchester

  36. A thought just ran through my mind that made me chuckle. LeBron & Melo were both born in 84, but LBJ looks like he’s 40 and Melo looks 25. Hell..even Derrick Rose at 28 looks 40

  37. Somebody tell me something the alleviate my concerns please; you can make it up if you want to.

    He’s shot just as well as former MVP Derrick Rose and better than superstar Carmelo Anthony tonight!

  38. @67

    KP’s good at so many things and is so physically gifted, it’s tantalizing to think of where his game could go.

    Someone explain to me how the Nets are up 16 on the Dubs…

  39. Draymond is out because his son is being born-he’s probably even more important for them than he was last year now they they don’t have Bogut.

  40. How is it even an argument as to which franchise is in the worst position going forward? The Nets have no first round picks in 2017 AND 2018, Sacto or Orlando could conceivably luck into a future star in the draft and be on their way.

    Oh, and the Nets best player is Brook Lopez.

  41. I don’t disagree dmar, but the magic and the kings have had multiple first rounders and still managed to fuck up every time haha

  42. How is it even an argument as to which franchise is in the worst position going forward? The Nets have no first round picks in 2017 AND 2018, Sacto or Orlando could conceivably luck into a future star in the draft and be on their way.

    Oh, and the Nets best player is Brook Lopez.

    I think dumb front offices are more likely to continue to be dumb. The Nets at least have a smart front office now.

  43. Sorry I thought this was a Knicks blog. But they’re winning so I understand changing the subject

  44. Man, that didn’t look that bad, but you never know with some of those small injuries. Come on, KP, be okay!

  45. @117 dude, I was just coming here to write the same thing lol.

    is it just me being a homer or does he legit look like a mini-Marc Gasol? once he gets stronger on D, this kid might just be our Marc Gasol.

  46. Yeah, Big Al might be a great comparison too… I said Marc because I think Willy is a good / great passer, and will be able to show that when he has more consistent minutes.

  47. Contused knee is not terrible, but it very likely knocks him out for Christmas, I would imagine.

  48. He’s more Al Jefferson than Marc Gasol but I feel you.

    I don’t see Jefferson but maybe because he doesn’t have the one hand game.

  49. KP is going to break up the clot riding. He’ll play on Sunday I believe.

  50. Watching KP pedal like that is really good to see. He’s not getting back into this game, but it looks like he could.

  51. Jennings seem to play better as sixth man, presence of DRose motivates him, ditto KOQ and Joakim

  52. Ah man..if the bench can close this out, it’ll be huge! No starter played more than 28 minutes- I’m pretty sure they’d appreciate the rest

  53. We have 2 backup bigs averaging at least 6ppg and 5 rpg…on top of that- one is averaging over 1bpg! Plumlee is no longer needed, I would guess.

    Great chant by the crowd btw

  54. First game that never seemed in doubt. Nice to have one.
    Bench was impressive. Gotta give Willy more minutes!
    Kuz too.

  55. rest kp for as long as he needs… hopefully no swelling tomorrow…..

    14pts 14rebs 4 blocks… free kyle oquinn….

  56. I know people like Brandon Jennings, but Kyle O’Quinn needs to be a 6MOTY candidate.

  57. @157 If the Knicks clinches the 3rd place in the Eastern Conference, I think O’Quinn AND Jennings will have pretty good cases. From the top of my mind, other candidates are Nick Young (see above) and Z-Bo (strong candidate; should get some love from voters because he accepted a bench role without feuding with Fizzdale).

  58. Nets lose to Warriors, 117-101, but Nets fans scream when Caris LeVert hits shot w/7 secs to go. 100 points = McDonald’s breakfast sandwich

  59. -win streak spam-

    “Clyde’s whine & die-in” !
    For the die-hard-Knicks-pessimistic fan !

  60. @171 Lakers don’t play anyone more than 30 mpg. Would that come into consideration?

  61. @171 Uh, forgot about Lou Williams. Right now, I think he’s the favorite to win it, because pointzzzzz

  62. George Karl rips Melo, Kenyon and JR on his new book (see ESPN commentary)
    wonder if there is one on Boogie

  63. What do you think Kyle O’Quinn’s value is today? I think he’s worth a late lottery pick right now.

  64. I mean KOQ is 26 on a great contract. Idk how much I really want to trade that, but it’s definitely possible he gets you a late lottery pick if he keeps this up. Shit, if he keeps this up might be worth more than that lol.

  65. I have to admit to being totally wrong about O’Quinn. I think I called him a vet’s minimum level player going into the season. Now he’s a grossly underpaid legit backup center.

    I think Ndour should be on the chopping block. Kuz is better and we’re stuck with Lance. We def need a 3rd string PG. Although I like Baker and Vuj, maybe we can get by with them. Whatever, this is a fun team with lots of ways to win!

  66. He’s probably got to keep it going all year, but if he does, he’s on maybe the best non-max, non-rookie contract in the league. 2 more years of an above average big for 8 million total?

  67. big men aren’t that easy to trade… there just aren’t that many teams looking for that… if you squint really hard maybe you can sweet talk new orleans into trading their pick but likely not….

    no reason to trade him either… he should be starting…

  68. I like KOQ too much to trade him. But he’d net us a killer haul depending on the team he was shipped to. Simultaneously, OQ seems like the kind of player you might want to keep around long term: he is by all indications a great locker room presence, well liked, local, and looks to have a game that would age really well over the course of his next contract.

    Lou Williams has been really good this year, it really should be a two horse race betweeen he and OQ unless I’m missing anyone.

  69. Why trade KQ? How do you build a good team if you don’t hold on to your good value players? Pay KQ 4 million a year for great production means if you overpay for someone else it doesn’t hurt you as much. A bird in the hand.

  70. Would you be okay with the knicks trading for Lou Williams if they had to take back Nick young too?

  71. Some of those rookies will make more than he does, so he could be quite appealing in a trade, but I actually don’t want to trade him. We need him.

  72. O’Quinn is great value. I doubt that if we trade him, we can fill that role easily at that price, so unless we get an absolute steal I would keep him. He’s giving Cole Aldrich/Robin Lopez-level play at a huge discount. If you think that we’re getting the combined production of O’Quinn and Noah for $22 mill per year, that’s not bad for $ spent on the C position.

  73. 15 pts, 13 rebs, 3 rebs per 36. Wow.

    We now have 3 rotation guys averaging 13 rebs per 36.

    And Kuz is a fun player to watch. If he learns to play D, he’ll be a steal as well!

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