Knicks Morning News (2019.06.16)

  • [SNY Knicks] How the Anthony Davis trade impacts the Knicks’ offseason plans
    (Saturday, June 15, 2019 9:48:55 PM)

    The Knicks won’t be getting Anthony Davis as New Orleans has agreed to trade him to the Lakers. How does the trade affect the Knicks’ offseason plans?

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks target Anthony Davis traded to Lakers: report
    (Saturday, June 15, 2019 6:29:11 PM)

    The Pelicans have agreed to trade the superstar to the Lakers for a monster haul which includes Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart and three first-round picks, including the No. 4 overall pick in this year’s NBA Draft, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.

  • [SNY Knicks] WATCH: The Top 5 Knicks lottery picks in the NBA Draft
    (Saturday, June 15, 2019 6:58:52 PM)

    The Knicks hold the No. 3 pick in the NBA Draft.

  • [NYPost] Anthony Davis decision highlights Knicks’ grim reality
    (Saturday, June 15, 2019 3:54:37 PM)

    Anthony Davis and LeBron James got exactly what they wanted Saturday — a trade to the Lakers for the Pelicans’ disgruntled big man — and one fewer superstar target remains on the board for the Knicks. The Post reported last week the Pelicans didn’t view the Knicks’ young assets as especially attractive in comparison to…

  • [NYPost] Draymond Green flies cross country to see Kevin Durant
    (Saturday, June 15, 2019 1:49:36 PM)

    Warriors forward Draymond Green, who had a spat with teammate Kevin Durant earlier this season, hopped on a plane and flew from San Francisco to New York this weekend with plans to visit the fallen superstar and check on his health, according to an NBA source. Durant, who as a free agent would be able…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ plan for dream team now just a painful memory
    (Saturday, June 15, 2019 11:41:20 AM)

    Well, it was fun to think about anyway, no? This was the morning of Feb. 1. Kristaps Porzingis has just been exiled to Dallas. The relentless misery of the 2018-19 Knicks was in full bloom. And there, on the back page of your New York Post, was a sliver of hope, presented thanks to the…

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    79 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2019.06.16)”

    1. Three picks and two pick swaps when your future is tied to a 34 year old is a huge amount to pay for any player, even a top-10 overall talent. The chances that at least one of those picks is really good are pretty high and they already gave up 4 in this draft and three other decent young guys as well. I’m pretty glad we sat it out if that was the price.

      It looks more and more like our options will be KD and roll forward the rebuild or just roll forward the rebuild. I’m fine with both. But if the FO really have the mental fortitude to sit out the second tier of FAs after all the noise about this summer I’ll be both impressed and surprised.

    2. But if the FO really have the mental fortitude to sit out the second tier of FAs after all the noise about this summer I’ll be both impressed and surprised.

      I wonder how much Dolan will influence this decision as he put himself out there talking about the huge splash the team will make in FA this offseason.

    3. Dolan will sell seats regardless, so it’s not like it’s “sign KD or struggle to fill the Garden.” I’m pretty sure he will stay out of the way and that whatever happens this summer will be on the front office. The challenge will be to use the draft and free agency to turn our team into a mid 40s win team. You add Kevin Durant to a young team that won 43 games and you have a clear way out of NBA purgatory. Maybe RJ Barrett and D’Angelo Russell + improvement from our young guys gets it done, but I think we need to be a lot more creative than that.

    4. Funniest trade wrinkle:

      Lebron may have just traded Bronny for AD. It’s in play. If he ends up being pretty good Pels can grab him with swap in 2023 (or just take him with LAL pick in 24 if eligibility rules don’t change). That would be freaking hilarious.

    5. I’m happy to have been wrong about the Knicks and AD, I was certain they’d overpay. Although it would have been pretty impossible to go over LA’s bid. So now the Lakers would get either Kyrie or Kemba, Kawhi would stay in Toronto because going against a super team in your own town as part of the Clippers is insane.

      If Durant and Thompson stay with GS, the remaining top free agents are Butler, Kyrie/Kemba, and Harris. I doubt any of them is enough of a star to move the needle for Dolan.

    6. The Lakers aren’t tying their future to a 34 year old Lebron they’re tying it to a 26 year old Anthony Davis. They have a lot of work left to do and I don’t have a lot of confidence in their front office, but Davis is really good and in his prime.

    7. The Lakers have LeBron, AD, Kuzma, $30+ million in cap space and a bunch of flotsam and jetsam. They’ve got lots of work to do but they’ll be a handful for anyone out west next year.

    8. So who would be the most desperate teams to rent out cap space to? Houston? Minny? Washington?

    9. @8 – agreed, but AD plus scrubs has still led to some high picks for NO over the years. Once LBJ stops playing or is old enough to be relevant it’s definitely possible there’s not much else around AD and those 2023-25 assets become pretty tasty. In my view it’s a good deal for NO even if the swaps come to nothing but if it ends up netting them an extra top 5 pick in a few years it’s a pretty massive cherry on top…

    10. The Lakers aren’t tying their future to a 34 year old Lebron they’re tying it to a 26 year old Anthony Davis. They have a lot of work left to do and I don’t have a lot of confidence in their front office, but Davis is really good and in his prime.

      Thinking of it that way, their trade is similar to our trade for Melo, only worse, because of all the good draft picks they gave up.

    11. Very happy that we didn’t sell the future for AD.

      Now we could or couldn’t sign KD but anyway roll forward, play the youngsters and probably get another lottery pick next year.
      Okay, I’m a little too optimistic… :-)

      I’m curious to see what the FO will do with the cap space.

    12. While I am in favor of staying away from the shiny objects, if the Nets sign Kyrie and/or KD, there will be plenty of pressure on the Knicks to make a big move. Dolan is already being critcized by shareholders for not earning his salary and Knick TV ratings are way down. I don’t think he will have the patience to sit through another terrible year. I’m afraid Perry needs to have a really good offseason or heads will roll.

    13. Seriously, LA is one injury away from total disaster. I can’t see Kemba going there, but he’d be a nice fit. But even adding a Pat Beverly would be a great add. LA has a window, but it’s a short one. They didn’t really have a choice. You kind of have to appease one of the all-time greats.

    14. AD is a significantly better player than Melo and LeBron is waaaaay better than Amare, so the deal is overall a smarter move for a win-now team. But in terms of what they gave up, yeah, it compares.

      I also think Griffin had more leverage that was suggested on the last thread. Clearly the Celtics, Knicks and probably other teams would have made offers. I’m thinking he probably could have gotten Kuzma if he waited. It’s a great haul for the Pels, but they were surely going to get a great haul from someone.

    15. I read somewhere that Jeannie Buss is totally enamored with Kuzma and would not let him go under any circumstances. So Griffin kept insisting on him being included in a trade, and the Lakers kept upping their offer so they wouldn’t have to give up Jeannie’s boy.

      Pretty shrewd play by Griffin IMO.

    16. Thinking of it that way, their trade is similar to our trade for Melo, only worse, because of all the good draft picks they gave up.

      if you miss jowles just say you miss jowles

    17. As expected, the Knicks weren’t players in the AD contest, and I’m okay with that. The last thing we needed to do is mortgage the future again. Still not keen on KD b/c of the injury. The way it is now, he just won’t be a good fit. As I mentioned in a different post, he’ll practically be up for another new contract by the time he finally gets back to prime playing shape. Yes, the physical rehab will take at least 1 season (assuming there aren’t any setbacks, and with someone of his age and mileage, that’s a big question), but people seem to be shortchanging the mental rehab it’ll take for him to trust his own body again. At best, we’d be getting maybe 2 years of 80% classic KD +/- whatever age/rest-related limitations he’ll have. Even though his shooting will help mitigate the loss of athleticism, I wouldn’t count on him being a strong enough Option 1 for us to make us legit contenders (the best option for KD, if he still wants to win, would be to find a team where he could be Option 1b or 2). The only way I’d be okay with signing KD is if we were already a near/playoff caliber team. As it is, we are not, so I’d rather not tie up that cap space just because they said they were going to “make a a big splash.”

    18. @19

      I’m kinda drunk and the beach sun is setting my skin on fire but I don’t think I’m crazy when I say that in 2022 we’ll think back to the AD trade as a major bullet dodged. I really think Mitch is gonna be 75% of what AD is now by the end of year 4 (which means we’ll need to max him, and we’ll willingly do so).

    19. @22

      As much as I’m not a big fan of his, RJ Barrett could easily be the kind of player you trade after a successful rookie season for a disgruntled superstar. If you have, say, Mitch and DLo in tow in 2020, with KD waiting on the sidelines, RJ + Knox + DSJ and a first could be enough to snag, I don’t know, a Jimmy Butler type and put your KD to good use. I’m still of the opinion we should sign him.

    20. This draft should be pretty interesting. Expecting plenty of trades from the Celtics, Pels, Hawks, Cavs, and more. I’d love us to grab another pick somehow, even if it’s just a higher 2nd rounder… We could use a legit sf prospect.

    21. @24

      In an ideal world, we’d already have a legit All-Star on the team before using our cap space on a big signing. Unfortunately we traded him already (which may or may not have been a good thing with all the non-playing issues he’s been having recently) so we’re starting at square 1. Again, I’d be a little more comfortable with your scenario if we already had an All-Star in the fold like DLo and I think that’s my biggest point of concern. We need to first target a player who can actually play and make KD a second option at best in FA.

    22. What a great trade for the Knicks! Why? Because the FO realized that we are nowhere near close enough to contention to mortgage the future for AD and showed actual restraint. The Lakers can take that risk because the have Lebron. They now have 2 truly generational talents on the roster. I would feel differently if KD were healthy and going to be a Knick. I’d still be a little upset over it, but I could reconcile making a trade like that with a healthy KD in tow.

      What’s next? Who knows. But this actual rebuild with draft picks and young talent is still an exciting time. We know Fiz is gonna coach the young guys up. I just hope we don’t panic and offer Butler his max or somethin like that. What do you all think of inking Middleton or Harris (if Kawhi won’t be a Knick) and renting cap space for a year?

    23. Middleton and Harris, while being good players, don’t really move the needle unless you already have a superstar, so… No. Win curve is still a thing.

    24. Is Julius Randle restricted? I think he’d be a really good signing as well

    25. the trade was originally reported as including a second pick swap in 2025 along with the 24 1st, but it was corrected to no second pick swap, but rather the pelicans get the right to defer the 24 1st into a 25 1st. it’s a good nba supernerd question to ask which you would prefer. there’s no right answer, but there is a right “baseline” answer if you start out assuming that you never have any ability to predict where either team will pick ahead of time, i.e. it’s random, so you can’t get the q wrong but you can blow the interview. this is also an interesting setup because i don’t remember the last time a team had a unilateral option to defer a first round pick where both years’ picks were unprotected.

    26. @5 while I applaud single mothers and single fathers, I don’t believe in one celebrating the other’s Day. Mothers celebrating Father’s Day takes away from all the great dads out there who are doing their job. It’s bad enough society has low-key downplayed Father’s Day for a while now. Fathers deserve to have their day.

    27. Bron 1.0 took a 4 year deal so wherever Bron 2.0 goes he can join him, at least for 1 or 2 seasons. If it’s a great Pels team, so be it. Imagine Bron’s “legacy” if he wins a title with his son (and Zion, btw).

    28. Any of you interested in trying to pry Lonzo from NOLA?. Perhaps with his shooting stats and his stated non-interest in the Pelicans, he can be had at a reasonable price or even discounted?

      Let’s say the Knicks have Culver rated evenly or higher than RJ. Would it be crazy to try to convince NO that Ball would be a fair price for the privilege of swapping the #3/#4 picks?

    29. 1. After banging his head against a wall for 7 years in CLE, Bron leverages free agency and forms the Big 3 in Miami. Wins 2 chips.
      2. Bron levers FA again to take advantage of the Cav’s freak luck in winning 3 of 4 number 1s. Knows he has another Big 3 waiting for him before he jumps back to Cavs. Wins another chip.
      3. Rested up most of this year and leveraged his position to force buss to go all in for AD. Prepares to make runs the next 2-3 years. Decent chance to win another chip.
      4. His contract provide the leverage to join Bron 2.0 wherever he lands in 3 years, quite possibly to a great Pels team (and win another chip?)
      Brilliant career management.

    30. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

      The Lakers plan is fairly simple.

      They are trading a bunch of young players and picks that would have taken many years to develop for a serious 3 year championship run with James and Davis. When James’ contract is up in 3 years, they can rebuild via free agency again with Davis as the centerpiece to attract the next group of free agents.

      They gave up a lot, but once they brought in James they were in committed to win now mode. Now they’ve taken the next step. They shouldn’t have much trouble adding what they need from here given that the Warriors are decimated. Also, since Magic is gone, maybe they’ll actually have someone competent helping Jeanie Buss.

      In return, the Pelicans have Zion, the Lakers #4 pick, Ball, and other young players to either jump start a very long term rebuild from scratch or they could also package some of those assets for an all-star caliber player now to go with Zion and Holiday and remain relevant while continuing to develop what’s left. It’s up to them whether they want trade Holiday and take a 5 year path or cash some long term chips now for a quicker rebuild. It’s a good trade for both teams.

    31. Serious question: Would you take Gordon Hayward off the C’s hands if they throw in assets?

    32. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

      This clears the way for Melo to sign with the Lakers and possibly get a ring. :-)

    33. I think the Lakers will be in the playoffs for the next couple of years, but I am not sure about them winning a ring, or even the Western conference.

    34. Serious question: Would you take Gordon Hayward off the C’s hands if they throw in assets?

      Yes

    35. Serious question: Would you take Gordon Hayward off the C’s hands if they throw in assets?

      Honestly, I probably would. Gives the team some veteran leadership with less pressure on Hayward to perform [other than the NY media scrutiny part]. Plus, he’s still pretty young so I feel like if he could put up close to what he averaged his last couple years in Utah, he could still be a borderline All-Star (or maybe something close to a 18/5/3 player]

    36. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

      Serious question: Would you take Gordon Hayward off the C’s hands if they throw in assets?

      I think he’s gone from overrated to underrated. For two more years, I’d considerate it.

      Same with Gallo.

      IMO, we should primarily try to add quality young players that can be part of the long term future or be used to trade later. After that, if we can rent cap space for assets, we should do that. If none of the deals are attractive enough (contracts too long given the assets we are getting back), then we are going to wind up rolling the cap space over with garbage players on short contracts. It all depends on what’s available, who’s willing to come here, and the price.

      Cap space is an asset, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Now we have way more cap space than we have quality young players to put into it. The Knicks are always in this position. They bet on free agents and then can’t get their targets for whatever reason. Let’s hope they don’t screw up this time.

    37. I was reading the blog yestarday, and many people seemed enthusiastic about signing D’Angelo Russell. I was surprised, because i had a bad opinion about him. But looking at this years numbers, he seem to have a nice bpm and he is very young. And someone mentioned him having a 41% AST (2nd in the NBA) and how he is a good distributor… and then I thought that %AST might be misleading.

      %AST measures the percentage of your *team FGs* that a player has assisted (while on the court). However, if your team does not shoot too much, that means you can have a high %AST while making very few assists. Increasing your usage just increases your assist percentage: If D’Angelo Russell takes lots of isolation plays (instead of his teammates), he is going to have a high %AST; on the other hand, if Donovan Mitchell takes lots of isolation playes, that makes the %AST of Ricky Rubio go down.

      Instead of using %AST, i think AST per 100 possesions give a more accurate picture of the playmaking abilities of each player. By that metric, Russell is 6th in the NBA, still very good, but behind Chris Paul or Jokic, and more in line with my intuition.

    38. the trade was originally reported as including a second pick swap in 2025 along with the 24 1st, but it was corrected to no second pick swap, but rather the pelicans get the right to defer the 24 1st into a 25 1st. it’s a good nba supernerd question to ask which you would prefer. there’s no right answer, but there is a right “baseline” answer if you start out assuming that you never have any ability to predict where either team will pick ahead of time, i.e. it’s random, so you can’t get the q wrong but you can blow the interview. this is also an interesting setup because i don’t remember the last time a team had a unilateral option to defer a first round pick where both years’ picks were unprotected.

      So the question is what’s better:

      1. LA’s unprotected in 24 and swap rights in 25.
      Or
      2. LA’s unprotected in either 24 or 25.

      I think I’ll take option 1.

      In 2025, with Zion and the other young players at their prime, my pick would most likely be in the 20’s. So it has little value.

      Meanwhile the Lakers should have their win now mode deprive them of everything other than 31 year old Davis by 2024. So I get their 24 lottery pick outright, and their 25 lottery pick on the swap.

      With option 2 I would have to hope their lottery pick is great 24, because if it’s not I’ll have to gable on 25, where they might add some veterans to a horrible team just because they don’t have next year’s pick and they may as well win some games.

      I guess you can play with this some more, or maybe there’s a better game theory direction. I’d love to get your take on it.

    39. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

      @43

      None of those metrics is going to be right all the time.

      When Kobe was playing for D’Antoni, during one stretch the Lakers had a string of injuries and didn’t have a single healthy PG on the team. D’Antoni made Kobe the PG for a few games. He was piling up assists like he was a great PG. Then when the players got healthy again, he went right back to scoring.

      The same thing happened with Paul Pierce. During a period of excessive injuries at PG, the team gave the ball to Pierce and he played point forward. He was great at it and piled up assists left and right on top of scoring. Then he want right back to being Paul Pierce.

      A player either has the court vision and passing skills or he doesn’t. Even if he has those skills, he still may not be in the play making role because they have another play maker and/or need him to create shots and score more instead.

      On the flip side, if you give the ball to some mediocre play maker he might get 5 assists a night because he always has the ball in his hands. He may not even be contributing much to the efficiency of the shots being taken, but he’s getting assists.

      I think you have to know what the player’s role is on his own team and evaluate what skills he has independent of his stats by watching him play. However, since the idea is to win games, the best play makers will tend to have the ball in their hands more often and be asked to make plays.

    40. Z-Man @19 who’s that number 11 at 2:20 in the video? He looks like a great point guard.

    41. Serious question: Would you take Gordon Hayward off the C’s hands if they throw in assets?

      I proposed this the day after the Durant injury. The Knicks should really be in Bill Belichick asset acquisition mode here. Assuming after the first 2 picks they believe 3-8 are in the same relative league:

      Their first call should be to NO and tell them we like Barrett very much, but if you are interested in moving up, let me know before I call someone else.

      Then call Atlanta and say, “Everyone knows you covet Culver as a switchable player to go along with Tre and you can’t get him at 8, so let’s talk…”

      Then call Ainge and say, “to bad Kyrie jumped to the Nyets, but we can absorb your 75 M misfortune with Hayward for a price…”

      I just think someone who rolls the dice on Bol Bol with a middling pick and has multiple picks is going to be very happy in a few years.

    42. I’d take Hayward for some picks, sure. He’s not a bad player and maybe he’ll be better next year. If he gets back to pre-injury form he might even opt out of his last year

    43. Added ancillary benefit of AD going to La…. it makes Dallas’ record worse and even might take Kemba Walker off the table, too for then next 4 years! Thanks Bron!!!

      I almost hope KD and Klay stay in GS and return in March for the playoff run…..Anything to make Dallas worse!

    44. Saw Berman reported we offered 3, a future first and a choice of one young player. If that’s true, way to go our FO for offering what they were comfortable with and no more. A good sign…

    45. How many years left on Hayward’s deal? If two, I’d be down to eat it for 2 future unprotected firsts.

    46. How many years left on Hayward’s deal? If two, I’d be down to eat it for 2 future unprotected firsts.

      How about one and Rozier?

    47. How many years left on Hayward’s deal? If two, I’d be down to eat it for 2 future unprotected firsts.

      Yep… and keep the powder dry for a Giannis attack in 2021 only this time with a half dozen picks prior…. maybe we’ll have a half dozen good young players to surround a real star in his prime with….

    48. One downside of not making an AD deal is that we didn’t unload Knox while his value is still relatively high. I was really hoping to ship him out before he puts up another garbage season and everyone realizes he’s a homeless man’s Rudy Gay.

    49. The bad contract I ‘d love to eat for a price is Parsons. He’s expiring so the impact is very short term. He’s unpopular in Memphis so they would definitely like to ship him out. Unfortunately they probably don’t have free agent aspirations so they may not feel urgency to get him off the books. But if we could deal the #3 for #2 and Parsons, that would be amazing.

    50. The Mitch highlight reel needs to be watched over and over again to fully grasp what we have in him. I think he should be untouchable. He is a generational defensive talent with some offensive pop. His speed of recovery after his first jump is ridiculous. His lateral movement covering smaller players on switches is stunning. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t win at least two DPOY awards. And it’s not just his defense. Look at the variety of moves he displayed near the basket…finger rolls, flips, hooks, a smooth mid-range J…and that’s from a guy that never played in college and took a year off from competitive basketball. He’s just learning how to rebound and made great strides during the year.

      That’s how you build a contender. You find and keep guys like him. Trading him right now for anyone is about as dumb of a move as a rebuilding team could make.

    51. One downside of not making an AD deal is that we didn’t unload Knox while his value is still relatively high. I was really hoping to ship him out before he puts up another garbage season and everyone realizes he’s a homeless man’s Rudy Gay.

      I have it on good authority that Knox will be a surprise and a pleasant one for our fans…

    52. Anyone noticed that we seem to be set on waving Lance? That would be a bad sign

      I’d waive Lance for the roster spot. I don’t know that it says anything about our free agency plans.

    53. Only a million of Lances contract is guaranteed, so cutting him means we’re planning on adding free agents. We should be trying to trade him to a team that needs cap space

    54. It could mean we want to add free agents or that we want get assets to take salaries into our cap space, either one.

    55. I think taking on Hayward is a no-brainer.

      The Ringer updated mock draft post-AD trade. They have RJ 3 and Culver 4. They have Culver as the second best play maker in draft behind Morant. Comps for RJ:

      Jalen Rose, alpha Andrew Wiggins, Harrison Barnes, Rudy Gay

    56. Yeah, I’m a little worried that the Knicks will act like they have to use all their cap space this summer. I think they feel like they need to do it to justify trading Porzingis. Most Knicks fans are not like us, they don’t view avoiding paying him as a good thing. The Knicks may feel obligated and do something stupid.

    57. I think I’ll take option 1.

      yeah, all else equal, the swap rights dominate the deferral. swap rights are like getting to roll two dice and pick which is higher, while the deferral is like rolling one die and having to decide whether to switch before rolling again.

      but why’s interesting is how small the difference is for an random situation. if you use the prototype nba draft value board, swap rights are worth about 11 points, which is equivalent to getting the 31st pick outright. the deferral is worth more like 8 which is around the 34th pick. so griffin would need very little extra judgment (maybe he thinks the ’25 draft looks better than ’24, or he thinks the lakers will be better than the pellies) to take the deferral. probably he thought neither and this is just the deal he got.

    58. There have been reports that they want to bring Lance back, so they will probably simply cut him to take away the cap hit of his contract, and are planning to re-sign him for the veteran minimum, which is fine.

    59. Contemplating whether or not I’d still do the porzingis trade with the benefit of hindsight. It’s a tough call.

      You’d think we could have gotten a better package if we didn’t have to include Hardaway and Lee. But he could have used his restricted status and general malcontentness as leverage. Still, with even just 2 options, you can get a lot of leverage.

      And then, of course, there’s the issue of if we’d be better off with him or without. A Barrett-Porzingis-Robinson frontline with Knox off the bench would have been very enticing. It will be interesting to see what kind of contract he gets. If he just wasn’t getting a max I’d probably want him here.

    60. Lmao LAL can’t sign a third guy unless they offer up more assets so that Griffin delays the trade date to July 30th so they can sign a guy without going into the luxury tax. Pelinka is a fucking moron and the Lakers are boned.

    61. I think a 32-34 year old top 10 player of all time will be more valuable than 5 years of KP on a max contract. We also don’t have to watch TH2 chuck to his heart’s content. I regret nothing

    62. Why in the world would Boston trade Hayward? Let alone give up extra to get rid of him? With Kyrie gone, they could resign Morris and Rozier without getting killed by the luxury tax and roll into next year with the same team that beat Philly and the Bucks and took LeBron to game 7 in the East finals…and add a healthier Hayward, the 14th pick, and possibly a legit vet to come off the bench.

      If Toronto and Philly lose their big free agents, Boston could easily be the second best team in the conference next year and a Giannis sprained ankle away from a chance at a title.

      Mike

    63. Take Hayward with a 1st round pick or two? Yes, please.

      In fact, the Knicks could sell that to many dumb fans as acquiring a “star” on the cheap and to the rest of us as renting cap space for the rebuild. Let him put up all the pointz he wants next year so that he’ll either opt out of his deal or at least become a coveted expiring.

      As noted above, though, why would the Celtics do that? Are they are eyeing a max level free agent?

    64. They might want to make a play for Tobias Harris or any of the other B-list guys to stay in the playoffs after Kyrie bolts. I don’t really know much Ainge should want to double down on the current team sans Kyrie, though. Tatum is still young for them to pivot to rebuilding for a few years.

    65. I feel Hayward is a bit underrated at the moment. Boston would be selling low if they were to dump is deal, and I am not convinced they would be willing to give up assets to move him just yet. I think it’s not too controversial to think a player may be better off in year 2 post recovery from his ankle breaking in half.

      All that said, I would not hesitate to jump at taking on board his salary if some 1st came with it.

    66. Trading Porzingis in general was undoubtedly the right move and plenty of us thought so well before it came out that he was unhappy.

      The question is what extra assets we could’ve gotten if we didn’t dump Lee and THJ. Just estimating, but maybe no protections on the 2023 pick and a swap in 2022? It’s hard to imagine it being more than that for a player of Porzingis’ caliber. I mean, anymore than that and you’re approaching Anthony freakin’ Davis territory for a guy who has literally only been good in November.

      If they can use the cap space they gained to get extra assets, they’ll probably have lost very little value by dumping the salaries. And obviously, if they’re still able to land elite free agents that aspect of the trade will look good too. It’ll look bad if they either just do nothing with the extra space for some reason (maybe the asset opportunities don’t present themselves) or they sign unworthy free agents, but we knew the latter part already.

    67. Ok, here’s a fun game. What does the alternative “Phil Jackson never got fired” timeline look like?

    68. Ok, here’s a fun game. What does the alternative “Phil Jackson never got fired” timeline look like?

      After an off-season peyote session in Montana, the Knicks core of Rose, KP, Noah, Melo and a plucky young Frenchman gel and go on to shock the NBA to win a total of 30 games under the leadership of Hornacek.

    69. Probably a wreck. I think KP would have been traded for much less. We wouldn’t have resigned Hardaway though.

    70. if you use the prototype nba draft value board, swap rights are worth about 11 points, which is equivalent to getting the 31st pick outright. the deferral is worth more like 8 which is around the 34th pick.

      ptmilo, what’s the nba draft value board?

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