Knicks Morning News (2016.05.26)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Thursday's Knicks Links: Grant, Wroten may benefit with Hornacek as the new coach (Thu, 26 May 2016 05:15:02 EST)

    Thursday's Knicks Links: Grant, Wroten may benefit with Hornacek as the new coach

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers 116, Raptors 78 | Cleveland leads series, 3-2: Cavaliers Beat Raptors by 38 Points to Take Lead in East Finals (Thu, 26 May 2016 03:53:27 GMT)

    Kevin Love scored 25 points in three quarters of play, and LeBron James and Kyrie Irving each had 23, as Cleveland moved a win away from its second straight N.B.A. Finals.

  • [New York Times] Off the Boil Curry Is Fine, Says Kerr (Thu, 26 May 2016 05:30:28 GMT)

    Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr has played down suggestions that point guard Stephen Curry is nursing an injury that is hampering his performances in the Western Conference Finals.

  • [New York Times] LeBron, Love Power Cavaliers to 116-78 Romp Over Raptors (Thu, 26 May 2016 04:09:52 GMT)

    Back home, the Cavaliers were not hospitable. Just rude.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Throttle Raptors, Grab 3-2 Series Lead (Thu, 26 May 2016 03:42:28 GMT)

    LeBron James had 23 points, eight assists and six rebounds, and Kevin Love returned to form with 25 points as the Cavaliers dismantled the Toronto Raptors in a 116-78 win on Wednesday that gives Cleveland a 3-2 series lead in the Eastern Conference finals.

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    77 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.05.26)”

    1. So Allan Houston is working with Tony Wroten on his shooting, per the Post

    2. So… is anyone else just getting a teensy teensy bit worried that Hornacek isn’t official yet?

    3. Melo Trimble became the latest prospect to recuse himself from the draft. Can’t decide if I like this for the Knicks, since it puts more potentially good players into next year’s draft when we’ll have a first rounder, or don’t, since our goal is to buy a late pick in this now-thinner draft.

    4. I’m no college b-ball expert, but it seems like there are pretty reasonable PG and wing prospects that are projected to be 2nd rounders, at least at DX. I’d be happy to see any of Gary Payton Jr, Caris Levert, Malachi Richardson, Malcolm Brogden, Paul Zipser etc. on the team.

    5. @4

      The thinner this draft is the more likely we’ll be able to buy a better pick. It’s somewhat counterintuitive as it would also mean we’re picking from a shallower talent pool, but given the pick(s) we acquire would be somewhat of a gamble anyways I think it’s more to our benefit.

      @5

      Levert was a lottery pick the last 2 years before injuries derailed him. He was still in a walking boot at the combine, which is why he’s even available in the 2nd round. If we could get 2 second round picks I’d love to be able to grab Brogdon and roll the dice on Levert recovering.

    6. I’m no college b-ball expert, but it seems like there are pretty reasonable PG and wing prospects that are projected to be 2nd rounders, at least at DX. I’d be happy to see any of Gary Payton Jr, Caris Levert, Malachi Richardson, Malcolm Brogden, Paul Zipser etc. on the team.

      It’s funny, when the Knicks don’t have a pick, I barely pay attention. I could tell you so much about the prospects for last draft, but barely anything about this one. It’s funny how giving a fella some motivation to care can impact how much he knows. :)

    7. “It’s funny, when the Knicks don’t have a pick, I barely pay attention.”
      I’m in the same boat. Beyond Simmons, Ingram, Hield, Poetl, Sibonis and Bender, I don’t even know any of the other names in the DraftExpress first round. Does anyone else think that, if the Knicks can buy a late pick or two, their chances of hitting the jackpot and uncovering a hidden gem are somewhat higher if they focus overseas instead of the college ranks? Also, since proven NBA free agents are likely to get paid big money this summer, should the Knicks be looking overseas for free agent guards?

    8. The injuries really complicate things with Levert. Yes, he is a good shooter but his numbers before this year were not good. Maybe this year was him puting it all together or maybe it was just a hot start before he was injured.

      If the Knicks buy a pick I’d want them to try to hit a home run and go best available regardless of position. I think I’d really look at Thon Maker and make him a priority Just stash him in the D-league and let that be his college year. Then again maybe he surprises folks I don’t know. I just do not trust the wings in this draft.

    9. The two CSKA guards would be where I hope the knicks start the search for guards. Milos Teodisic is a pure point guard with great offensive skills. Nando De Colo is a combo guard that seems to have found his shooting touch again after a couple of years in the states playing for the spurs and raptors. I think he is a free agent this year while Milos would have to be bought out. Both players are nearly 6’5 and 180 lbs.

    10. De Colo is an RFA with Toronto, so they have matching rights. Probably still gettable given they’re likely to bring back DeRozan on big money, gave Ross a $10m AAV deal last year, signed Joseph to $7.5m/yr and are committed to Lowry at point. Also figure Powell is a player they want to get minutes for moving forward instead of further crowding the backcourt.

      As far as Levert is concerned, it’s very possible he’s not super efficient and this year was a hot streak/outlier, but he’s a 6’7 ball handling combo guard that shot over 40% from three his last 3 years at Michigan. Assuming he gets back to full health he’s fairly athletic and can fit in two guard fronts which Hornacek used in Phoenix. Seems like a solid bet to make in the 2nd round and despite being a 4 year senior only turns 22 in August.

    11. Kay Felder and Cat Barber are two guys that we can get if we buy late second rounders, and both might even go undrafted despite great collegiate seasons this year. Felder in all honesty looks like a more athletic Ty Lawson. They’re built the same and they both possess above average NBA athleticism (and Felder is more athletic I would say). If we could get him that would be excellent. Barber plays like Iverson, though I don’t think Iverson could shoot like Barber (and Iverson was much faster than Barber). Both guys would be great picks in the second round.

      This draft has 3 guys who look like they have great chances to be franchise players in Simmons, Ingram, and Jamal Murray. Buddy Hield looks like a sure fire NBA contributor with his long arms, athleticism, and quick release. I legitimately hate every other lottery prospect though. Sabonis is viewed as a mid first round guy, which I think is really dumb but I don’t get paid money to make these decisions. There could be a lot of talent selected outside of the lottery just like there was in 2011. We could be lucky enough to buy and pick one of those guys.

    12. I do not understand these Joakim Noah rumors. I don’t think this is either a great fit or a big need of the Knicks. He likely will not be coming to NY anyway, since a player like him seems to be a better fit for a team on the cusp of winning, which NY sadly is not. If the rumors are true, why waste time on the front court, where we already have Lopez, Zinger, O’Quinn and likely Hernangomez. If they are going to go for another front court player I would try to find a young and cheap prospect, not someone like Noah who is clearly on the downside and injury riddled. Thankfully though I think the likelihood of joining the Knicks is quite small. I hope this is just a rumor and Phil devotes his energies elsewhere, especially to finding a shooting guard.

      http://dailyknicks.com/2016/05/26/knicks-rumors-phil-jackson-to-pursue-joakim-noah/

    13. @12 Maybe he really can be a poor man’s Dwayne Wade!
      :-)
      @14 The NY sports media blindly speculating again?

    14. Speaking of speculating, Mike Conley to the Knicks rumors may start heating up again with the coaching situation in Memphis. Obviously a good player, but I still hope Phil gets a young wing who can shoot/score.

    15. Yeah I don’t believe anything the New York media has to say about Phil Jackson’s Knicks. They’ve been consistently wrong and have had no ability to predict anything. Joakim Noah will probably go to Golden State or Miami if they lose Whiteside to the Knicks.

    16. should the Knicks be looking overseas for free agent guards?

      Yes, absolutely. The idea would be that we’re not likely to get a good PG in free agency, so a decent player from europe would be cheaper than his NBA equivalent as a stop gap.

    17. There’s gotta be a real chance Hassan leave miami right? I mean, the usual carrot of an extra year + extra $ per year doesn’t apply since he’s a UFA. So it’s just Riley’s black magic + the miami beach pitch vs the pitches of other GMs, straight up….

      It’s hard to know what he values, and it’s probably futile to speculate into his head. But man. lol.

    18. Technically Miami can offer him ~$4m more over four years bc they can give 7.5% raises vs. 4.5% for the field.

    19. @Dred

      I was thinking the same thing, and I was dreading putting it into the universe. but there it is. smh. welp

      They could easily do the whole next great laker big man shtick, bring Kobe and Magic in, trot out the blue chippers (Simmons/Ingram, D’angelo, Clarkson, Randle), and even tell him that he would be the leader of that group.

      Prooobably beats Phil and Horny and Melo’s likely presentation about handing the reigns from Melo to him and KP, unless he 1) really likes NYC and 2) is up for more yearz with veteranz from team banana boat

    20. Does anyone else think that, if the Knicks can buy a late pick or two, their chances of hitting the jackpot and uncovering a hidden gem are somewhat higher if they focus overseas instead of the college ranks?

      It might seem like that, but actually most of the home run type picks in the second round in this decade have been guys who came from the NCAA. Here are some of the best second-round picks since 2010:

      2010: Hassan Whiteside, Lance Stephenson, Landry Fields, Jeremy Evans
      2011: Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Lavoy Allen, Kyle Singler
      2012: Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Jae Crowder, Mike Scott
      2013: Allen Crabbe, Jeff Withey
      2014: Nikola Jokic, Jordan Clarkson, Jerami Grant
      2015: Josh Richardson, Norman Powell

      Jokic is the only international player on that list. Looking at this list you can see how difficult it is to find an impact player in the second round. There are 5 or 6 really good players in that group above, a handful of solid rotation guys and then a handful of “meh” rotation guys.

    21. I’ve never really wanted to trade Lopez, but signing Noah at a reasonable deal (say 2 years $30M?) would allow us to move him for the right pieces. For example, trade Lopez to the Bulls (who will have lost both Noah and Gasol) for a signed/traded E’twaun Moore* + their 1st round pick (#14)?

      or something like that.

      *E’Twaun Moore is an interesting guy. Great defender, can defend 1-3, greatly improved his 3 point shooting this season. He got injured late in the year and if you read the Bulls blogs, that was thought to be a big reason their D fell apart late in the year. Bulls sites were calling him Tony Allen with a jump shot. I’d LOVE us to go after him.

    22. trot out the blue chippers (Simmons/Ingram, D’angelo, Clarkson, Randle)

      None of those guys is a blue chipper and if the Lakers trot out D’Angelo Russell to entice free agents that might trump their absurdly stupid presentations to FA’s last summer.

    23. that might trump their absurdly stupid presentations to FA’s last summer.

      I know Hassan be on DJ Khaled’s Snaps too, so he might frown upon D’angelo’s trash/snitch snapchat game.

      Jokes aside i know none of them projects to be a franchise player at the moment, but i just meant that combined with everything else (walton, the HOFers, etc) they’ll generally play a role, and they’ll probably help especially if LAL frames it as him coming into to lead them. Everyone likes being told they are ready to lead*

      *except deandre

    24. Ben Simmons is pretty much the definition of “blue chip prospect.” Ingram is no slouch, either.

      It’ll be fascinating to see where Whiteside wants to go. I have no idea what he’s thinking.

    25. Wow, shocked that DeAndre Jordan made first team All-NBA. Dude didn’t even make the all-star game (although he should have)

    26. AD lost millions by not making the third team. The All-NBA team really needs to change how they vote. DeAndre Jordan being on the first team All-NBA just because there’s not a lot of centers out there is a joke.

    27. The Lakers are gonna do great recruiting work with Melo on their team

      (Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease)

    28. The All-NBA team really needs to change how they vote. DeAndre Jordan being on the first team All-NBA just because there’s not a lot of centers out there is a joke.

      I don’t get it. Draymond Green plays center the majority of the time. Can’t people vote for him as a center even if he’s not officially labeled as a center?

      But, yes, why have position designation at all? It’s not like the teams actually play each other, like the all star teams do (and even the all star team got rid of voting for a designated center, didn’t it?)

    29. DeAndre Jordan is really good. I’m sure there are guys you could argue are better than him, but I don’t know who the clear winner should be.

    30. I don’t get it. Draymond Green plays center the majority of the time. Can’t people vote for him as a center even if he’s not officially labeled as a center?

      But, yes, why have position designation at all? It’s not like the teams actually play each other, like the all star teams do (and even the all star team got rid of voting for a designated center, didn’t it?)

      Yep to all points. If the best three players in the NBA are forwards, then put three forwards on the team. We’re well past the age of positional inflexibility. I don’t even mind Jordan making the All-NBA team, by the way, but not first team.

    31. I don’t get it. Draymond Green plays center the majority of the time. Can’t people vote for him as a center even if he’s not officially labeled as a center?

      Draymond doesn’t play at center a majority of the time.

      People can vote him in as a center.

    32. Draymond doesn’t play at center a majority of the time.

      Maybe not the exact technical majority, if that’s even calculable in Golden State’s lineup configurations*, but he’s listed as a PF/SF and I’m pretty sure he guards opposing centers infinitely more than he guards opposing small forwards. It just seems obvious that Green should have been on the ballot as a F/C.

      *(Golden State has used a 5 man lineup of players all between 6’7″ and 6’8″ (Green, Barnes, Thompson, Igoudala, and Livingston), and they switch on everything when they do, so defining positions becomes quite pointless).

    33. I do agree, though, that it is not just the All-NBA team’s fault (although I disagree with their configuration – they should just go to three “bigs” like the All-Star Game) but the voters deciding not to count Green as a center.

    34. 7 of his 10 most played lineups last year came with a clear 5 in either Bogut or Ezeli. The reason the death lineup is such a big deal is because they don’t use Draymond at the 5 for most of the game. If people wanted to vote him in as a 5 it wouldn’t bother me at all, but he definitely doesn’t play the 5 most of the time.

    35. Considering Harden is the poster child for sleeping on defense, is it really that surprising

    36. Lillard is also a really bad defender. Klay isn’t, but stick him in the Rockets instead of Harden and you get ping pong balls. Harden’s shit defense means he’s not an mvp candidate but it doesn’t mean he’s worse than Lillard and Klay.

    37. I do not understand these Joakim Noah rumors. I don’t think this is either a great fit or a big need of the Knicks. He likely will not be coming to NY anyway, since a player like him seems to be a better fit for a team on the cusp of winning, which NY sadly is not. If the rumors are true, why waste time on the front court, where we already have Lopez, Zinger, O’Quinn and likely Hernangomez. If they are going to go for another front court player I would try to find a young and cheap prospect, not someone like Noah who is clearly on the downside and injury riddled. Thankfully though I think the likelihood of joining the Knicks is quite small. I hope this is just a rumor and Phil devotes his energies elsewhere, especially to finding a shooting guard.

      I think Noah might end up on the Celtics or maybe Gasol. They need size.

    38. I don’t want Carmelo leaving, but the Celtics might be his best alternative if he chose to, if they got size.

    39. No thank you to Noah. The Knicks desperately need help in the backcourt not up front.

      D’antoni + Harden = immediate entertainment

    40. Lillard is also a really bad defender. Klay isn’t, but stick him in the Rockets instead of Harden and you get ping pong balls. Harden’s shit defense means he’s not an mvp candidate but it doesn’t mean he’s worse than Lillard and Klay.

      I know the advanced stats don’t back it up but I would take Klay over the Beard any and every time….. he is an infinitely better defender and doesn’t clog the offense and gets plenty of pointz, too on marksman-like shooting

    41. All around I’d probably take Klay over Harden too, although he might be a bigger gunner than then the Beard. If Thompson touches it, it’s going up. When he’s on it’s great, but when he starts missing, it gets ugly in a hurry. I’m surprised his teammates don’t get visibly pissed at him, what a chucker!

    42. Klay Thompson is a very good defensive player who stays in front of his man as well as any shooting guard in the league. He is so good at the little things on defense– forcing opposing guards to their off hand, studying opponents’ moves so as not to bite on their fakes and crossovers, fighting through screens… Harden has the edge in offensive stats because he matches Thompson’s TS% on higher usage, but the edge in defense is just huge.

    43. I don’t want Carmelo leaving, but the Celtics might be his best alternative if he chose to, if they got size.

      Carmelo and lopez for the 3 and a panoply of picks…..

    44. Klay Thompson is a very good defensive player who stays in front of his man as well as any shooting guard in the league. He is so good at the little things on defense– forcing opposing guards to their off hand, studying opponents’ moves so as not to bite on their fakes and crossovers, fighting through screens… Harden has the edge in offensive stats because he matches Thompson’s TS% on higher usage, but the edge in defense is just huge.

      When you choose role players over stars it usually fails. Look at how people have hyped Kawhi Leonard as a top 5 player. His last 2 playoff runs as a leader have been failures. Best to treat stars like stars, and role players like role players, even if you like the way the role player plays better.

    45. Carmelo and lopez for the 3 and a panoply of picks…..

      Nah, let’s keep him.

    46. The Celtics would be great for Melo. It’s one of those things that is so obvious that it is painful (“You have an aging star player but need youth? We have the #3 pick and a bunch of other picks and need a star player? I wonder what we could do with each other?”), but Boston is not New York, so, well, c’est la vie.

    47. Fuck Paul Pierce…………

      Sorry that was a reflex. All that Boston talk got me jumpy.

    48. When you choose role players over stars it usually fails. Look at how people have hyped Kawhi Leonard as a top 5 player. His last 2 playoff runs as a leader have been failures. Best to treat stars like stars, and role players like role players, even if you like the way the role player plays better.

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    49. When you choose role players over stars it usually fails. Look at how people have hyped Kawhi Leonard as a top 5 player. His last 2 playoff runs as a leader have been failures. Best to treat stars like stars, and role players like role players, even if you like the way the role player plays better.

      wow

    50. That was what i thought as I looked over Kawhi’s 2016 playoff performance. Failure.

      Might be thinking the same thing about Curry shortly.

    51. Yeah but Marv cannot hear the whistles. He has gotten about 2/3s of the fouls/time outs wrong.

    52. I know they’re playing well but this is way too long for this lineup in a q4 that can end your season.

    53. As excellent as Russell Westbrook is, I hope and pray we do not offer him a max contract next summer unless we’re already a playoff team. As productive as he is, you just know the guy is going to decline the same way Wade after he turned 30.

    54. We Are Now Witnessing The Mo Speights Game

      Don’t think you pass up on Russ if you have any remote possibility of contending for the first three years of his contract

    55. Andrew Bogut is very good at basketball

      Series might’ve been pretty different if GS went bigger earlier

    56. If JR had committed that Harrison Barnes foul the Internet would have relocated to his driveway

    57. It is not about size why the Warriors are down 3-2 (because they’re winning tonight). The Warriors were playing extremely stupid basketball in games 3 and 4 with their offense. GSW kept chucking up transition 3s while being down double digits, which lead to long rebounds and OKC fast break points. The Warriors played in the half court today and controlled the game from start to finish.

    58. I grew up in New York. I live in the Bay Area. I’ll forever be a Knicks fan, but how can you not love this Warriors team?

      I was at the Warriors-Thunder game tonight. Here’s what I saw.

      1. The Warriors were switching a lot, which is something they weren’t doing previously in the series. I believe they had done this for rebounding purposes, but it was just confusing things and they were getting killed on the boards anyways. Switching caused two things to happen: They were able to react quicker on pick-and-rolls, and they were able to disrupt the other Thunder players when they got the ball. That’s a big deal. KD and Russ are going to get theirs. The trick is to make Waiters and Roberson play like, well, Waiters and Roberson. When they get going, the Thunder are hard to beat. See Game 3 & 4 for reference.

      2. The Dubs seem to have put the Death Lineup in mothballs, and I think that’s okay, as long as this version of Andrew Bogut shows up. They need his playmaking, rebounding, rim protection and, most importantly, size in this series more than they do defensive versatility when they go small. When the Thunder go small with Ibaka and Durant, they’re still huge, and it’s a problem for the Dubs. Keeping Bogut (and Ezeli) in the game negates that.

      3. When Kanter’s in the game, Kerr needs to counter with Mo Speights. Force Kanter into the action defensively. When Kanter guarded Varajeo, they Dubs basically gave him a free pass on that end of the court. No bueno.

      4. Steph looked more Steph than ever in this game, but he’s really struggling finishing at the rim. I’d say it’s the Thunder’s length that’s bothering him, but I just don’t think that’s it. He’s just off.

      5. Except for the brief moment when he got T’d up, Draymond seemed to play with passion, determination and inspiration. It might have been knowing that Bogut had his back on defense. He needs to bring that to OKC for the Warriors to have any chance. His on-ball defense, by the…

    59. AS A LEADER, HE IS A FAILURE

      Basketball doesn’t end after one season. I wish I would own a team and you tell me you want build around Klay Thompson. Bye. Thompson ain’t getting it done in the clutch, he’s just not.

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