Knicks Morning News (2016.05.01)

  • [New York Times] Spurs 124, Thunder 92: Sublime Start Propels Spurs Past Thunder (Sun, 01 May 2016 04:35:15 GMT)

    LaMarcus Aldridge had 38 points, and the San Antonio Spurs dismantled the Oklahoma City Thunder, 124-92, on Saturday night, never trailing in Game 1 of the second-round series.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge Has 38 Points, Spurs Rout Thunder 124-92 in Game 1 (Sun, 01 May 2016 04:51:31 GMT)

    The San Antonio Spurs dismantled the Oklahoma City Thunder — in a hurry.

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    1. As badly as the Thunder played in Game 1, remember, the year that they defeated the Spurs in Western Conference Finals, they similarly looked outclassed in Game 2 of that series (after the Spurs won Game 1, as well).

      I mean, I still think the Spurs will win the series, just noting that I wouldn’t take too much from how easily they won Game 1.

      But damn, that sure was a whooping.

    2. Berman carrying water for the front office by saying Melo is hurting the team by insisting Phil interview more guys for the coaching job. This should be fun.

    3. That’s one of the things that always gets me about a guy like Berman. Doesn’t it weird him out how doing stuff like this forces him to take oppositional positions to his own writings? He writes one thing, then the front office wants him to write something else, and suddenly he’s writing something completely opposite of his previous position. It must be maddening.

      It’s also strange to see the front office sic Berman on Melo on this, when Melo’s comments are so tame. Everyone knows Melo is all bluster. Why let it bother you?

    4. The price of access. That’s how he’s decided he’s most valuable.

      But I almost hope this does become ugly, and somehow forces us to do the proper rebuild. I know it won’t happen, but a man can dream…

    5. If I thought it had a chance of heading that way, I’d be rooting for it, as well. But this is Melo. He always backs down. “I always wanted them to rehire Rambis. I don’t see how you could read my comments any other way!”

    6. To belabor wanting input and the need to interview more candidates (Mark Jackson?) is to send a clear message of his opposition to Rambis. Hence, if Rambis winds up with the job, it’s not a good look.

      Yes, if Rambis wins up with the job, it is definitely not a good look…for the team foolish enough to hire Rambis as their head coach.

      You also have to love Berman describing Rambis as a “triangle guru.” Slowly working that spin out there.

    7. Reading the Berman article again…man, what a pissy little hit job that was. Dude brings up Melo’s late game shooting stats as a counter to him wanting them to hire someone other than Rambis. Fuck the heck? “He should concentrate more on hitting shots at the end of games.” It’s like the douchiest sports radio caller type of logic.

    8. I didn’t see the game, but noticed that LMA, Kawhi and Green were a combined 34-43 from the field. Did OKC play any defense at all?

    9. I didn’t see the game, but noticed that LMA, Kawhi and Green were a combined 34-43 from the field. Did OKC play any defense at all?

      Not really. They were really bad. Remember the game they had against the Knicks earlier this year? The one the Knicks almost won without Melo? Remember how bad the Thunder looked on defense in that game? Now imagine if their opponent in that game was someone like the Spurs. That’s how Game 1 looked.

      But they’ve played better defense in other games, including some recent ones, so I think they were just freakishly this bad.

    10. Speaking of defense, though, Kawhi Leonard being able to pretty much shut down Russell Westbrook (Westbrook shot 5-19)? Damn, that dude is amazing.

    11. OKC played like they’d never seen a pick and roll before and the Spurs hit everything they shot.

    12. Berman is right. Melo should shut up and practice taking last second shots that actually go in. If he’s not happy with the management he can always waive his no trade contract and be gone.

    13. I just read the Berman piece. Hate to say it, but I agree with just about everything he said, despite any presumed bias towards Knicks management.

      *Blatt is a big question mark who Melo’s close friend LeBron ran out of town: True
      *Knicks never really had a shot at Walton: True
      *Melo’s friendship with Durant is a possibly a factor in FA: Dubious, unlikely relevant to where Durant ends up, but a fair point.
      *Melo’s comments about Thibs “borderline insubordinate”: Berman’s opinion, doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. More “subversive” than “insubordinate.”
      *The fellow CAA client struck it rich on a five-year, $40 million contract that gave him total control as president with no triangle orders. Jackson couldn’t match that. (i.e. Melo is full of s–t): Probably true.
      *”To belabor wanting input and the need to interview more candidates (Mark Jackson?) is to send a clear message of his opposition to Rambis. Hence, if Rambis winds up with the job, it’s not a good look.” : Berman’s opinion, doesn’t matter, but probably true (and since most here are opposed to Rambis, maybe for the best; certainly not any more subjective than BC’s assertion in @5.
      *Melo’s atrocious clutch shooting in the last 3 years: True (is there any disputing it? look at the numbers! Is it relevant? Depends on your opinion, but certainly fair game.)
      *Melo should worry about his own stuff: Berman’s opinion (and somewhat true, he hasn’t earned his contract and NTC and that waters down his leverage and credibility)
      *”Maybe all this ends with Anthony traded to the Clippers for Blake Griffin after their first-round KO — the only place he would agree to waive his no-trade clause. But if Anthony truly wants to make this situation better, it’s best he clams up about coaches and lets Jackson do his job.” Berman’s opinion, certainly a fair take.

      So I don’t get the ire over this, it’s an opinion piece that has no far-fetched premises or unbased innuendo (see: Isola)

    14. OKC played like they’d never seen a pick and roll before and the Spurs hit everything they shot.

      You’d really have to work at playing worse pick and roll defense than what OKC threw out there in Game 1.

    15. Yeah, but 34-43 is 79%!!! That’s better than the FT% of 28 teams this year. Theoretically, they might have defended those 3 guys better by just sending them to the line.

    16. Oh sure, as DRed notes, a lot of it was also oddly good luck on the SAS shots, as well.

    17. Great day of NBA basketball today. Two Games 7s and an intriguing Game 1 between Portland and the Curry-less Warriors.

    18. Yeah, if Toronto and Miami somehow both lose, it not only gives Cleveland a waltz to the Finals, but Ujiri and Riley will have to make significant moves in the off season, there’s no way they could stand pat after losing in the 1st round.

    19. I agree on Ujiri, but I disagree about Riley. I think the Heat are way ahead of where Riley figured that they would be without Bosh. They got a #3 seed without Bosh! They played better without Bosh than with Bosh! That’s nuts. I think he’s very happy with his young talent. And if Bosh retires, they can both re-sign Whiteside and add a small piece.

    20. Carmelo is saying- here we have an incumbent (interim) coach that has the 5th worst coaching record in NBA history, who had 20 games to show what he could do and succeeded in pretty much nothing other than annoying all the players with his condescending attitude. Now we have a fresh slate and I think we should do a real coaching search, including looking at a coach who has said all along he wants to coach the Knicks and has one of the best coaching records in the NBA?

      How is this anything but reasonable, especially for a guy who is likely to take a huge portion of the blame for anything that happens?

      And for reub- maybe he doesn’t want to leave the Knicks. Maybe he really does have loyalty to the franchise (not necessarily the same thing as being loyal to Phil).

      Look- Phil is a legendary coach, no question. He is far far far from that as an executive. He should open his mind and find the best candidate, not just the one he likes to smoke a bowl with.

    21. I think it is moronic to hire Rambis, but I think it probably has more to do with Rambis being one of the only coaches out there that will coach the Triangle. Is it a bad sign when your system limits you to only the shittiest coaches in the NBA? Sure. I think it is a terrible idea to hire Rambis. But I don’t think it’s necessarily because Phil is friends with the guy. It’s cronyism, but only because Phil’s cronies are the only ones that will actually coach the Triangle.

    22. Speaking of Bosh. Dude, just retire already. It sucks that he’s in this position, but man, think of your family! Playing basketball could very possibly kill you! You’ve won two titles, you’ve made a ton of money, you’ve appeared in many All-Star Games, you’ve had a great career! I appreciate that you want to compete, but dude, it might very well kill you. It is not a good idea. It’s weird, though, that his wife is also pushing for him to play.

    23. By the time Phil’s tenure is over, he will have exhausted the supply of every single triangle coach on planet Earth, and the triangle will be extinct forever, thus completely disproving whatever it was Phil is trying to prove.

    24. It’s quite possible that Chris Bosh is broke

      But if he retires due to a physical injury, he still gets paid!

    25. By the time Phil’s tenure is over, he will have exhausted the supply of every single triangle coach on planet Earth, and the triangle will be extinct forever, thus completely disproving whatever it was Phil is trying to prove.

      Jim Cleamons will outlast us all.

    26. Good point-Chris should listen to you.

      Or they should do something where he only plays home games.

    27. Last time Ewing was in Miami for a Game 7 he scored 20 pts and grabbed 10 rebs which was the last time as Knicks fan we could truly be proud of our team.

    28. Good point-Chris should listen to you.

      It’s this really weird situation where what’s best for Chris Bosh’s health is also probably best for the Miami Heat’s future, in that they get to re-sign Whiteside. So we’re going to see some super awkward stuff where he pushes to come back and they basically say, “Nuh uh” and while they’ll be telling the truth about how his health issues preclude him from returning, you know they have to at least be sort of thinking, “And we get to keep Whiteside, soooo…we’d prefer you just retire.”

    29. Last time Ewing was in Miami for a Game 7 he scored 20 pts and grabbed 10 rebs which was the last time as Knicks fan we could truly be proud of our team.

      Oh man, he was so good in that game.

    30. Didn’t Portland do that to Brandon Roy? I know his issue was not life or death like Bosh but wasn’t there an issue with him and Portland?

    31. Was that the game where Chris Childs put the Knicks on his back in the 4th?

    32. Tommy Dee’s “sources” often seem imaginary. But for once, I WANT to believe.

    33. Yeah, like the X-Files, I, too, really WANT to believe. It would be awesome. It would be such a great sign of Phil being flexible. It would be so good to see. It’d be like the Grinch’s heart growing a bunch of sizes – that’s how hopeful it would make me.

      Please be true. Please be true. Please be true. Please be true.

    34. Yeah, Childs hit a 3pter at the end of the 3rd quarter then scored the first 10 points for the Knicks in the 4th quarter (13 straight overall). Ewing dunked with a little over a minute left for the final points scored in the game. The most beautiful 83-82 game ever played lol.

    35. I’ll take back just about every negative thing I ever said about Phil if he hires Blatt and not Rambis. This is definitely a case where I’d love to be proven wrong.

      Prolly gonna be Rambis tho

    36. Not hiring Rambis would basically be Phil saying, “Hey, I can actually learn from my mistakes,” which would be awesome. I’d still have some issues with his approach, but yeah, not hiring Rambis would be huge. That would take care of nearly all of my issues with the guy, as well.

      Please be true! Please be true!

    37. Ugh. It really would be up there in the most Knicksian moves we’ve seen in years.

      You guys are killing me here with the introduction of hope and then the dashing of it! :)

    38. If he hires Blatt, it could just be him folding to the pressure. We don’t know. But Melo doesn’t want Rambis and PJ doesn’t have half the clout he had when he came in due to his failures and the limited time left on his deal with the Knicks. Dolan could very well force Phil not to hire Rambis.

    39. Al, Frank and Kemba in a Game 7:

      26 FGA, 5 FTA, 13 points.

      What a fuckin’ egg. I’d rather be a Knicks fan today.

    40. Could Blatt being hired mean Mills is getting a stronger voice?? Although there have been reports about Phil liking Blatt as far back as 2013 when he was a Pistons consultant so maybe Phil really does have a high opinion of Blatt and is intrigued by him.

    41. Man, aside from a few good games, the playoffs this year haven’t been worth watching. It’s almost as if the Knicks did make the playoffs this year.

    42. There’s some serious team-stacking in the NBA these days. The Warriors and Spurs are unfair, the Cavs are one legit all-timer and then a bunch of above-average guys with glaring flaws, the Thunder are two-deep and a couple of tall guys, the Clippers have the world’s chokiest future HoFer, and then there’s everyone else.

      Look at that Warriors game right now. Look at the score.

    43. They’re up 12 at home vs a Portland team that was out celebrating 36 hours ago

    44. also celebrating in Portland is hard when the bars shut down at 1 AM

      I had a couple of road-tripping guests on a Saturday night last summer and I sent them to Alberta St., which is a really hip, young area

      they said one bar was open at 10 PM

    45. Melo has earned the right to speak his mind privately about management decisions. Nothing more.

    46. Can you really be the MVP if your team doesn’t skip a beat when you don’t play?

    47. I don’t know if I would trade Klay Thompson and Draymond Green straight up for Russ and KD. It’s crazy how good those two are on both ends of the court, and it’s crazy how god level amazing Steph is because he outshines them tremendously.

    48. Playing with Curry makes Klay worse. A real MVP makes his teammates better

    49. Draymond’s post game interviews are better than 90 pct of league pass analysts

    50. Man, aside from a few good games, the playoffs this year haven’t been worth watching. It’s almost as if the Knicks did make the playoffs this year.

      100% agree. I have only been able to watch the weekend games live so far, but even so it’s mostly been a case of check the scores and then decide if the game looks interesting enough to watch a replay of.

    51. From a pure entertainment perspective, I agree, BBA, but from a fairness standpoint, I like it better.

    52. How is this anything but reasonable, especially for a guy who is likely to take a huge portion of the blame for anything that happens?

      It isn’t reasonable because being the best SF/PF he can be is his job, not being the quazi GM. His idea of being a GM is stripping every available asset the Knicks had in players and picks to insure him (maybe) a few extra Shekels.

      Bleep him…. shut up and improve your TS% Mister Obligate Scorer….. or ask to leave town.

    53. Not hiring Rambis would basically be Phil saying, “Hey, I can actually learn from my mistakes,” which would be awesome.

      You guys are pretty funny. Didn’t Phil say a year ago the triangle wasn’t the only way… he wanted a coach that had a system that preached and relied on sharing the ball, etc as a philosophy and a practice? Blatt’s Princeton Offense fills that bill quite well.

      You get to have it both ways… if Phil hired a triangle acolyte he is a stubborn old guy and if he hires Blatt he learned the triangle sucks ! You win!!!

    54. Didn’t Phil say a year ago the triangle wasn’t the only way… he wanted a coach that had a system that preached and relied on sharing the ball, etc as a philosophy and a practice?

      Yeah, he said that. Whether or not he meant it… Well, I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

      You get to have it both ways… if Phil hired a triangle acolyte he is a stubborn old guy and if he hires Blatt he learned the triangle sucks ! You win!!!

      Not quite. If Phil hires Kurt Rambis, he’s a stubborn old guy, and if he doesn’t hire Kurt Rambis he’s not a stubborn old guy. That’s how I feel. I don’t care whether or not the triangle sucks, I want Kurt Rambis to not be the coach of my basketball team.

    55. My only major problem with the Triangle is if causes you to hire a Triangle coach no matter what, even if the only Triangle coaches out there are terrible, which is where we currently are. If Jackson goes outside the Triangle to hire a better coach, then Hallelujah, let’s rejoice!

      I’d prefer they scrap the Triangle period (Porzingis in a more spread out offense? Holy crap, that’d be awesome to watch), but it’s not like teams haven’t won with the Triangle before, so eh, it’s not that big of a deal. Hiring a terrible coach? That is a big deal.

    56. If we had traded everyone except Melo for everyone on the Pacers sans Paul George before this year started, I seriously doubt we make the playoffs.

    57. Kings are interviewing Blatt for their head coaching job tomorrow according to Marc Stein.

    58. Kings are interviewing Blatt for their head coaching job tomorrow according to Marc Stein.

      Then we need Patrick Ewing to come through for us one more time! :)

    59. When Blatt takes the Kings job and Phil hires Rambis I’ll truly be a sad man.

    60. If we had traded everyone except Melo for everyone on the Pacers sans Paul George before this year started, I seriously doubt we make the playoffs.

      Baseless quote….Turner alone was as good if not better than Porzingis in the second half of the season.

    61. Congrats to Toronto. But you know what, if the Knicks somehow don’t hire Rambis, Casey might be the worst head coach left in the NBA.

    62. Paul George made some real bonehead plays at the end of the game. Charging fouls, fumbling the ball out of bounds, and bad passes. He was far from clutch.

    63. Baseless quote….Turner alone was as good if not better than Porzingis in the second half of the season.

      I think there are arguments to make the other way here, but that sure as hell ain’t one of ’em. The whole year counts. There isn’t a nacho in all the rubio’s in all the world that thinks Turner’s 1300 minutes could been materially more useful to a team than KP’s 2000 in 2015-16. Not to mention that the best shitty metric we know has KP as way better @ 0.8 VORP vs. -0.1 for Turner — that’s a 2-3 win beat not just from 50% more playing time but also per minute. Maybe you don’t like BPM/VORP but your choice of brew is really besides the point here. Your best argument is that Mahinmi = Rolo and George Hill is a huge advantage. Turner over KP is silly.

    64. Paul George made some real bonehead plays at the end of the game. Charging fouls, fumbling the ball out of bounds, and bad passes. He was far from clutch.

      Dude. He made a couple of bad plays late (and a couple of really good plays), but he also had like an all-time ridiculously great playoff series coming @ 28/7/5 & 2 steals on TS of 63% and obliterating DeRozan. Don’t you still tip your cruise director after one of your 22 weeks a year of pure seaborne ecstasy even if they forget to play December, 1963 as the last song of ‘an evening 60s dance and turf on the Copa deck?’

    65. Of course I do. I’m just stating the fact that George was the opposite of clutch when the game and the series were on the line. Was he possibly hearing the theme from Titanic at the time?

    66. I really just wanted to make that joke about your prolific cruise taking. His biggest mistake may have been complaining about that last no call instead of guarding the inbound and fouling right away.

    67. Berrman out now saying Blatt either hired as head coach or not at all. Kind of funny how he seems to have led Isola around by his pigtails on this one.

    68. The Yankees are so bad they make me miss watching Kurt Rambis coaching the Knicks.

    69. So if Jax settles on Rambis (either consciously or by default as all other possibilities sign elsewhere) and the team starts losing out of the gate next year, then what?

      What if the team muddles around the .500 mark, then what?

      If he hires Blatt, what difference will it make in terms of W/L record? 2-3 wins?

      I dunno, I can’t get too wrapped up in the coaching stuff. It might be better to have a disposable coach right now. Whoever gets hired, we will probably not be all that good next year. If Rambis is hired and the team starts losing, things will erupt into chaos and he will be replaced.

    70. I think there are arguments to make the other way here, but that sure as hell ain’t one of ’em. The whole year counts. There isn’t a nacho in all the rubio’s in all the world that thinks Turner’s 1300 minutes could been materially more useful to a team than KP’s 2000 in 2015-16. Not to mention that the best shitty metric we know has KP as way better @ 0.8 VORP vs. -0.1 for Turner — that’s a 2-3 win beat not just from 50% more playing time but also per minute. Maybe you don’t like BPM/VORP but your choice of brew is really besides the point here. Your best argument is that Mahinmi = Rolo and George Hill is a huge advantage. Turner over KP is silly.

      I don’t think I understand most of the sentences in this paragraph, but put me down as being okay with trading everybody on the Knicks for everybody on the Pacers. And Turner is going to be an excellent player for many, many years. He is a year younger than Porzingis. I’d have no regrets if the Knicks had for some reason drafted Turner instead of Porzingis.

    71. Wow woj implying Vogel may not be returning. I would be really psyched if he somehow landed here.

    72. If Indiana lets Vogel go, they’re fools. And sure, I’d love to have him here. He’s right out of the Thibs mold.

    73. A #7 seed that was a lottery team last year takes the #2 seed into the final seconds of game 7 and somehow that may not be good enough?

    74. A #7 seed that was a lottery team last year takes the #2 seed into the final seconds of game 7 and somehow that may not be good enough?

      While I agree that it would be foolish to get rid of him, Indiana might think that they don’t have much more of an upside than a #7 right now and would prefer to try to rebuild around Turner/George, and maybe they think another coach would be better for a rebuild? I dunno, though, as I would imagine Vogel would be fine for a rebuild, as well.

    75. I think there are arguments to make the other way here, but that sure as hell ain’t one of ’em.

      My point was that a bench player was almost if not just as productive as our second option for a good stretch of the season. Mahimni and Lopez are about even and then no one else on the Knicks is worth a damn. So I have no idea how u made the statement that the Knick and pacer rosters are =

    76. That Berman piece on Melo and the coaching search is fucking insulting. So because Melo has be Turrible in the clutch….we need to be happy with our coaching search? What?

    77. By the way, remember how I was saying that Berman has to change his positions on a dime to fit what MSG wants him to say?

      Well, first, Phil interviewed Walton for the Knick job. Then it was, “It wasn’t an interview!” And now, in Berman’s latest column:

      Meanwhile, new Lakers coach Luke Walton, Jackson’s preferred choice whom he interviewed two days into the search, told reporters he won’t bring the triangle back to Los Angeles.

      The price of access.

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