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OG Anunoby focusing on Knicks’ resilience in Game 4 win rather than his own heroics – SNY
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This might be the last full day of the year in which the Knicks are not WORLD CHAMPIONS.
Let that shit sink in!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCho-RCx-Y
Marcus Aurelius Anunoby in younger days.
The important thing for Game 5 is that, if it is close late in the game, the Spurs should really just give the ball to De’Aaron Fox, and let him simply figure things out on the fly.
As the high from Wednesday wears off, reality for me is setting in.
Winning the last game is going to be the hardest.
I don’t expect game 4 to destroy the souls of the spurs. I expect then to be extremely pissed off and to play with extreme desperation. Every game we’ve won has been by 1 point. We could easily be talking about us being swept right now. We’ve barely led any of this series except when it’s mattered.
Taking nothing away from our guys but San Antonio is very good and this is still a very evenly matched series.
I think we have to close out Saturday. If we lose then a lot of pressure is going to be on us to close it out at home for game 6 and MSG sometimes can be a detriment to us when the pressure is on us. And then if it gets to game 7? Who the fuck knows.
So more than any other game coming out strong in game 5 is going to be the most important thing. We cannot govern this team any hope.
Spurs are minus-5.5.
What do you guys think of this play, is Wemby trying to hurt OG, as Ian Begley implies, or is this angle, which is from the comments to his tweet, convinces you that he isn’t? I think the 2nd angle absolves him.
They won Game 1 by ten points.
That’s a very solid strategy, I think the Spurs will be smart to follow it.
Do the Spurs have the TALENT to sweep three games in a row from the Knicks? Of COURSE they do. When they’re not doing dumb shit, they’re fucking awesome, and likely the more talented team between the two teams (the best player on the court is clearly Wemby).
But, well, they DO do dumb shit, so come on, they ain’t winning three games in a row against the Knicks. I doubt they win ONE game in a row.
Brian, statistically you are right but it has happened before and what if they immediately take the lessons of game four to heart?
They are a very talented team. We need to close them out tomorrow.
I would just say let’s not get cocky like the spurs did last game. I doubt our guys will do that but we need to finish this off now.
I didn’t look but I bet game 5, with the team leading 3:1 playing on the road, usually goes to the home team. I hope I’m wrong.
I assume the arena will be at least 50% Knicks fans tomorrow. Maybe more?
Has any Finals team ever been this dumb? It really seems like uncharted territory, which makes predicting its future a little more challenging.
I do generally agree that it’s hard to see their shooting/execution combo being good enough to win three straight games.
Maybe it really is just their youth and maybe they were just too young all along to go the distance. They probably should have gotten themselves some adult supervision at the deadline.
I think it’s their youth and inexperience but also cockiness, which is partly bc of wemby’s entitlement.
Which is why I won’t be satisfied till we win. If game 4 humbled them and they play with urgency and humility, that changes things for them.
I know we are up 3-1. I’m very happy, but I’m still not super confident. Being up 3-1 is huge when you have home court. But in this case the Spurs have home court. These kids still think they are the better team and would up 3-1 if they didn’t melt down twice. So in their minds they are a solid favorite tomorrow. Assuming they win all they have to do is win 1 game in NY to get it home for game 7. In their minds they already beat us once in NY once and should have beaten us twice. I don’t see them rolling over next game like the Cavs did after we came back on them. We better come out ready in game 5 because game 6 will be ridiculously pressure filled for NY. Anything can happen.
I can’t recall any. You rarely get teams this young in there.
Anything CAN happen, sure, but WILL it happen? Come on.
Anybody have an easy way to look this up?
Brian is not going to kick being cocky to the curb. It’s a big part of what he does around here.
We did get a triple “it’s good!” From Mike Breen. I think he was ready with the triple bang if the Brunson shot had gone in.
I suspect that it’s very easy to look up, Alan, but I suppose most of us kind of don’t want to do so because it’s likely not good news for us and we don’t want to see it. I really think whatever it says can be thrown out the window, though, because this Finals is like no Finals before it, and certainly this Knicks team is off the charts in terms of historical fit to any prior teams.
In my newsletter today (free for anyone), I wrote about the best TV show I’ve watched over the last two months. You might be able to guess what it is:
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It’s not cockiness! Just, well, come on! The Spurs have now fallen apart late in pretty much every game! They’re now supposed to win THREE straight games? Forget everything else, who thinks that that is likely to occur?
you would think almost every nba finals is unique, this series though seems to have a uniqueness all its own…
saturday will most likely be wild with no known outcome ’til the last minute/seconds or so determining the winner…
“I do generally agree that it’s hard to see their shooting/execution combo being good enough to win three straight games.
Maybe it really is just their youth and maybe they were just too young all along to go the distance. They probably should have gotten themselves some adult supervision at the deadline.”
Do we *really* think the following things will (or will not) occur?:
1. That KAT is going get two fouls in the first minute of the game again, thereby changing the whole first quarter dynamic?
2. That the Spurs torrid 3-point shooting that got them that big lead in the first place (with KAT out, and before it totally deserted them in the second half) is going to resurrect itself?
3. That OG will *not* be featured (and might even guard Wemby, as we know he can do)? There is literally no one on the Spurs that can handle/contain him.
4. That the Brunson/Alvie lineup will not be used for a longer period of time after it worked so well? This gives Jalen relief on bringing the ball up every time, and makes us play faster, which we absolutely need to do against this team.
5. That Wemby will not at least *try* to contain his emotions/hotheadedness, now that he knows he is one stupid move from being thrown out? I believe that he’d miss the rest of the game, plus the next one. (By the way, if he gets thrown out and there *is* no next game, is he just absolved? I don’t think they would suspend him for the first regular season game of next year, not that we would give a shit either way.)
#ogforfinalsmvp
“you would think almost every nba finals is unique, this series though seems to have a uniqueness all its own…”
So this one is more unique than the regular unique? Got it. LOL
E, I think that Fox was supposed to be their “adult supervision.” That didn’t go so well. 🙂
I don’t think kids get humble this quickly.
And it’s not just Wemby, Harpar is laughing at the Knicks too. And Vassell is all smiles when things go well.
We all made fun of it at the time, too. They gave up, like, NOTHING to get him, and I still didn’t think it was a good idea. I really think it just blocked their ability to pick up a better guy than Fox later.
This team with, like, CJ fucking McCollum, even, would be SO much better than with Fox. 32-year-old Khris Middleton would CRUSH on this team (I wanted to specify an older, less talented version of Middleton would still crush).
Strongly advise you to start your morning by watching the spider cam video from the final few minutes:
https://x.com/NBA_NewYork/status/2065364315717161248
I saw a really strong analysis on Tiktok from someone named Collin Hatfield that convinced me the Spurs weren’t quite as dumb as it seemed – that the Knicks strategy didn’t change from the first half to second and that it was mostly a case of the shooters beginning to miss and Wemby tiring out.
In short, the focus was too hit Wemby multiple times on his rolls to the hoop with as many players as possible – not quite the Thibs “pack the paint,” but definitely a prevent defense bent on making it impossible for Wemby to get a good shot near the hoop and to tire him out in the process. The Spurs adjusted with space, setting up shooters behind the 3-point line, and the Knicks let them have those shots, betting that they couldn’t hurt enough to hurt them. (But of course they did.) Meanwhile, on offense, they tried to involve Wemby on every play, switching to go right at him rather than avoid him. As Wemby tired, he couldn’t do those closeouts as well, so we had more open threes, and more problematic, Brunson starting hitting over Wemby. Which is why Fox left to help Wemby when he was switched onto Brunson for the final shot, opening the lane for OG. (Or leaving him open for a shot, but Brunson didn’t pass).
This jibes with the locker room reports, which had various players saying they needed to stick with their strategy, that the Spurs wouldn’t keep hitting those threes, that the Knicks just need to be 1% better on what they were doing (hitting Wemby, rotating faster), because it would eventually pay off.
So the Spurs took what the Knicks were giving them in both halves, but didn’t shoot as well I’m the second, and Wemby was exhausted by the end – by design.
Wow, spider cam rules
How bad does John Starks want a title. Guy is locked in.
I feel like we should probably put conspiracy theories to bed:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/knicks-spurs-averages-238-million-viewers-in-most-watched-game-3-of-nba-finals-since-1998-with-president-trump-at-msg-123532690.html
There’s no doubt we’ve gotten fucked but bias and incompetence are likely the cause, not conspiracy.
I actually hope there is a conspiracy, because with 159% rating improvement over Thunder Pacers, if the league does put their thumb on the scale we’re going to 5 straight finals.
Most watched game since the MJ Bulls. Insane.
Naturally, the Knicks should get credit for making it hard for the Spurs to get to the rim in the second half, but it’s still stupidity for them to completely abandon the paint once their threes stopped falling.
They literally missed five straight threes midway through the third! Look at this Play-By-Play!
In the Finals specifically, teams down 3-1 with game 5 at home are 24-11, which is frankly extraordinarily high–higher than normal home court advantage would predict. That’s annoying as hell, but we’re hardly hopeless.
As for the entirety of the playoffs, that I wasn’t willing to tackle on my own, but here’s Claude’s answer:
I hope the league knows the Knicks are driving that, not Wemby.
I suppose the concern is it is a conspiracy, and Silver is dumb enough to think “everything we’re doing for Wemby is working!”
I don’t know how anyone sees any of the crazy videos out of NYC and think this is about the Spurs.
This, by the way, is an amazing reaction video:
https://x.com/jessefinver/status/2065271212775768310
I think the league has been bucking those trends a lot in the shooting variance era, though. Home teams used to dominate game 7s, too. Not so much anymore.
I missed the editing window, but looks like my last post is actually wrong and teams down 3-1 in the finals with game 5 at home are actually just 9-8 in game 5. I accidentally counted game 5s at home for the closeout team. D’oh.
That’s much more hopeful!
And our 1 point win in game 2 belies how in control we were of that game before a brief collapse.
Btw I don’t know if anyone has seen the follow up clip of Wemby’s “attack” on OG’s knee, but milo was right again — it was completely benign and you can see that clearly from a different angle.
EYE TEST WARNING: That skews very recent. If you believe Claude, winning Game 5 gives you around a 1 in 8 (9 series winners out of 70 total Game 5 winners) chance to then go on and win the series, but with the very recent skew, it’s probably more on the order of 1 in 3 or 4. Maybe even entirely indistinguishable from the overall odds of winning when you’re down 3-2 — which means, assuming you win Game 5, there’s no real signal to be found in you having lost three of the first four games as opposed to splitting them.
I honestly think the relevant stat is this:
We’re 3-0 in closeout games this year (all on the road) with an average MOV of 39.3 pts.
This team doesn’t fuck around.
And I think we figured the Spurs out after game 3. The one point win in game 4 belies the fact because KAT got taken out of the game. I think what we did in the second half is the real proof of concept. And if they solve what we did with Alvarado tomorrow, Brown likely has an adjustment to the adjustment.
One bit of irony is that Mike Brown probably got fired due to Fox’s dumbness. He got so frustrated with Fox that he called him out in the media in a way that I’ve rarely seen a coach call a player out.
It was one of the reasons I was worried about the Mike Brown hire, since publicly calling a player on this team out in this media market for making a dumb decision would go over even worse than it did in Sacto. Not to mention how much Leon and his team has tried to steer clear of any controversial quotes in the media. The most recent example of that was the Mitch injury, where he was about to say something and got cut off by a FO media guy.
But the Fox gaffe in that Sacto game was of the same “situational awareness” variety as the one in Game 4. It’s Bargnani-level bad.
Still, Fox is a dangerous player and I wouldn’t count on him screwing up in these final 3 games. He was huge in game 3 after everyone had written him off, and the only reason he even had an opportunity to make that gaffe was because he made a brilliant defensive play to get the ball and himself ahead of the field, a play that should have won that game for them. Now he did make a bunch of bad decisions throughout the Knicks comeback, and Spurs fans were crucifying him in real time in the Pounding the Rock. game thread.
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Against a team they’ve beaten twice in seven tries, once by 2 and once by 4. Ok, Vegas.
lol that’s what Fox was for! and he’s the dumbest guy on the team!
Keldon Johnson and Carter Bryant are FAR dumber. Fox is just the dumbest guy on the team who is allowed to
ruinrun the offense late in every game.I am not all that optimistic at all about Game 5. I think we have a good chance of winning, but this series reminds me a lot of the Game 5’s in the Boston and Indiana series’ last year. We got our asses in Boston on a magnificent performance by Brown, and we easily beat the Pacers at MSG.
Now in both cases, it could be argued that the road team let up after a hard-fought pivotal win in Game 4, whereas this Knicks team seems to have no let-up in it, and if it did, they did that somewhat in game 3.
But it could also be argued that these Knicks have not had a “signature” win yet, like the Pacers had over the Knicks in Game 2 (and to a degree in game 4), or the Knicks had over the Celtics in Game 4 (and Tatum was gone for good.) So the Spurs have more reason to believe that they are the “better team” and could come back from this.
So I truly think that it will come down to whether the Knicks come out highly focused as a team and maintain that focus for 48 minutes with no let-up. It’s a very tall task, but they have shown that they are up to it. They just shouldn’t rely on the Spurs fucking up again after taking a big lead, or laying down after we get a lead.
Looking forward to your coverage of Widow’s Bay! That’s been a delightful show.
Alan, I’m not a YouTube person. If I’m subscribed to TV is Good on Spotify am I getting everything or am I missing a lot because of platform inertia?
https://x.com/NBA_NewYork/status/2065220149041344530?s=20
LOL, I know I’m historically known as the eternal optimist. The truth of the matter is that was a coping mechanism for me to deal with years of utter frustration and disappointment with this franchise. If I believe that “one day things will get better” it helped me through all of those bad seasons.
But I do tend to go in the opposite direction with things start to go really well. It’s not negativity, more just don’t get too high or too cocky because things are going well.
And that’s all I’m really saying. Spurs have jumped out to a lead in every game. They’ve held the biggest leads in this series.
The got extremely cocky in the first half of the last game and it fucked them. But they make one more of those heat check threes in the 3rd and we’re tied up 2-2.
That’s all I’m really saying. We cannot lose focus and the more rope we give this young team, the more their odds will grow.
I will say. Wemby not being able to get another flagrant is huge for us. Not only will he have to be on his best behavior, he will also potentially play just a little bit less aggressive because of it and that can make all the difference. I also do not expect them to shoot threes like they did in the first half of game 4.
But I also do not expect them to start gloating and getting cocky again if they jump out to a lead.
We need to be the ones who get ahead early in this one.
Just bought my flights for the game! Anyone else gonna be there? Getting to San Antonio is a PAIN IN THE TUCHUS.
Spotify gives you every episode of the main feed (but not the monthly Patreon episodes). The only thing you miss by not watching YouTube is getting to see which graphic tee I’m wearing that week. And I already did my Knicks one a couple of episodes ago, so that will stay in the closet for a bit.
I wonder to what extent having Pop as the éminence grise of the Spurs contributes to the immaturity. He’s not a coach anymore, buy hangs over everything. Maybe it disempowers Mitch Johnson?
“Keldon Johnson and Carter Bryant are FAR dumber. Fox is just the dumbest guy on the team who is allowed to ruin run the offense late in every game.”
Yeah, on that Pounding the Rock game thread, Spurs fans were heavily critical of Mitch Johnson for giving those two guys minutes over Dylan Harper. They were even calling for Stephon Castle to be brought back in with 4 fouls, or for Harrison Barnes (it did seem weird that he was a DNP-CD.)
The thing about Fox is that, yes, he is a “veteran” on this team compared to everyone else but he doesn’t really have THAT much playoff experience.
I think the Kings went to the playoffs once with him (under Brown?) and lost in the first round?
So this stage is new for him too. I think he’s actually played OK after game 1 but just made a horrible decision to not dribble it out. I’ve been trying to figure out his thought process and the only thing I can think of is he figured make the layup and go up by 3 and worst thing that happens is they can tie it and we got to OT but if they foul me while I try to dribble it out, what if I miss a free throw?
Nice!! I would have joined you but my life’s narrator said that if I used my son’s swim camp money on a finals ticket it would be the beginning of my darkest timeline.
So I’m going to watch at home, but teenage Xavier isn’t going to drown in a pool at his high school graduation party, so I’ve got that going for me.
The point was that that was the plan the whole game long. They gave up the threes because of it – a feature, not a bug. They stuck with it at halftime based on the idea that the Spurs couldn’t continue their got shooting. And the Spurs couldn’t.
You can certainly argue that the Spurs were dumb to keep shooting, but it’s explicitly what the Knicks were willing to concede, and they destroyed the Knicks in the first half because of it. It was not quite as dumb as argued that they kept shooting.
Shooting so early in the clock? Sure. Not adjusting when the shots were not going down? Maybe. But you can’t say, “how stupid not to go to Wemby in the paint” when the entire defensive strategy was to keep Wemby from getting touches in the paint.
Good point, Swifty.
They probably could have done a better job if their goal was to win the first one right away. But they way they did it, they’re all gonna be pretty damn experienced by the time they’re 25.
I’d love this too. And I also think that spotty decision-making in serious moments are in this Spurs team DNA: Let’s say the Knicks are behind but within 5-10 points, say, in the third or early 4th quarter. The Knicks make their move to close the gap… I don’t know if the Spurs will *panic*, but I do think they’ll rely on their pure talent instead of precise and smart execution. That’s where the Knicks will get them
Thanks Noble, that’s reassuring.
“You can certainly argue that the Spurs were dumb to keep shooting, but it’s explicitly what the Knicks were willing to concede, and they destroyed the Knicks in the first half because of it. It was not quite as dumb as argued that they kept shooting.”
One thing that I felt strongly about going into this series (and frankly, into all of the series’ we have played thus far) is that we are at a coaching advantage. Mitch Johnson is a very good young coach, but is, in fact, a young coach. He’s been gifted with an uber-talented team with a generational player, but it’s a very young team who needs coaching more than, say, the Knicks do. It is asking a lot, maybe too much, of a young, inexperienced coach to push the right buttons in these nail-biter games.
Young coach Daigneault had issues in the finals last year vs. Carlisle and might have lost while getting outcoached in embarrassing fashion if it weren’t for the Hali injury.
Young coach Mazzulla was gifted a veteran team and still found a way to get outcoached in embarrassing fashion to the Heat, and then to the Knicks.
Johnson looked a bit rattled after Game 4, saying “we got away from the things we did well in the first half, yadayada…” I mean, isn’t that his job? What did he do to counter whatever the Knicks were doing when they whittled away at a freakin’ 29 point lead?
Right, but the lack of adjusting when the shots stopped falling is the whole problem. You can live with Wemby not being in the paint when the threes are falling, but when they stopped, how do they not try to force the issue? They could also draw more fouls on KAT and Hart. AND slow the game down.
It’s interesting that they had this problem the same way The Celtics did against us in games 1 and 2 last year. There seem to be this new wave of young head coaches are really good but just play the analytics too much. I do think our run has kind of shown people that you can’t only rely on analytics. The whole “analytically we won” thing has turned into a meme.
Like if something isn’t working, you can’t just keep doing it just because “analytically” a three is a better shot than a 2. The game shows you what you need. Sometimes we gotta have Mikal takes those middies because that’s what is available to us.
Rating up 159% worldwide but down 100% in Donnie’s house.
That’s how I felt in 2001 after the Diamondbacks fell apart 2 straight times at Yankee stadium we went to Arizona up 3-2.
This is why it’s hard to be too confident. If you’ve been watching sports long enough, everything can remind you of something bad, and anything can open an old wound
The Athletic sez:
What history says about a 3-1 series lead
With the Knicks up 3-1 in the finals, history is 100 percent on their side. Well… maybe not 100 percent, thanks to the 2016 Cleveland Cavaliers. Actually, 97.4 percent of history is on the Knicks’ side to close out this championship.
A 3-1 series lead, in general, is something NBA teams rarely overcome. But we’ve already had two teams in this postseason come back from a 3-1 series deficit in the first round. The Pistons did it against the Magic and the 76ers did it against the Celtics.
We’ve had 303 teams in NBA history go up 3-1 in a series. Of those, 288 have closed out with a victory. That’s a 95 win percentage. Of those teams, 180 have finished the series in Game 5, 85 have closed out in Game 6 and 23 have managed to survive a Game 7. So 62.5 percent of the teams up 3-1 finished the series right away. The finals are different, though.
We’ve had 38 teams take a 3-1 series lead in finals history, and 37 of them have won the title.
20 of those series have ended in Game 5.
15 of them have ended in Game 6.
Three went to Game 7.
As you can see, getting to a Game 7 is rare with a 3-1 lead. It happened with the 1951 Rochester Royals, who were up 3-0 in the series before the Knicks battled back to force a Game 7. The Royals then won Game 7 by four points. The 1966 Celtics went up 3-1 on the Lakers before closing it out with a two-point win in Game 7. Then it didn’t happen again for 50 years until the Cavs beat the Warriors by four in Game 7 to pull off the only 3-1 comeback.
History says the Knicks will end the series on Saturday, but it’s nearly as likely that they win the title in Game 6 at home. I wouldn’t plan on a Game 7, but this postseason has been full of surprises.
One of Mitch Johnson’s more curious decisions was not getting Wemby more rest. He said in the postgame that he was trying to close out the win. Clearly that strategy backfired.
The Spurs are going to be absolutely monstrous in game 5. They’re too young yet. If we beat them in game five it’s because we are at our very best and Brown has out-thought Johnson. They have no reason to think they’re not immortal yet, and so they don’t.
https://x.com/primevideosport/status/2065011407721238831?s=46
An amazing run of various European announcers doing play by play on the OG tip-in.
Donnie, if you’re reading this, it’s okay to drop the bit and come back into the fold. We love you and we miss you. We went through the bad times with you. Even with your betrayal, you still deserve to enjoy the good times now.
I will say this… I believe the Knicks will win game 5… but if they don’t.. it will make me worried they are not who I think they are… and I won’t have the normal confidence of a team that loses game 5 on the road and comes back home up 3-2… especially with all the extra rest days that make Wemby much more effective.
So please just win tomorrow. I want to be relaxed and productive next week. I haven’t been either in a while!
That would have been my adjustment. Keep going at the Knicks and don’t worry about scoring (they still had a big lead going into the fourth), worry about getting key players in foul trouble.
So again, not saying they didn’t make mistakes, but it wasn’t totally stupid when it is what built the big lead in the first place because the Knicks were willing to concede it.
If he didn’t come back after I wrote that open letter referencing every song on Talking Book, I fear he’s gone forever.
So there i was at Primavera Sound, having a great time, and then on the last show – Kneecap – i think you all know my punk roots, so there i was in the “mosh pit” jumping, pushing and shoving people… that’s crazy i know, but it’s a lot of fun for me… and then i spotted a Knicks fan in a Brunson jersey… had to push several people to get to him. LOL
Then we briefly talked about how crazy game4 win was and ended with a “Knicks in 5” chant… didn’t see him after that, i guess that illustrates well how chaotic things were. LOLOL
Of all the music festivals that i’ve attended, this was one of the most memorable for me, but i guess the Knicks win played a part in that! 🤘🧡💙
The biggest problem is that he took Wemby out right as the Knicks were on a 9-0 run, and then they scored four MORE unanswered points, so he brought him back, and he mostly did stem the tide of the comeback then, as the lead held steady at 15 heading into the 4th quarter. So I get that temptation. Dude’s 22, you figure he can gut out a full fourth quarter without his abilities collapsing, but apparently that was too much to ask of him. I think I would have asked it of him, as well.
The PTSD runs so deep that it’s all too easy to imagine massive disappointment.
However, what fills me with hope, confidence, whatever, is that this team is talented, experienced, mentally tough, and well coached. The Spurs can say all they want that they had control over the outcome of all four games, but that is a very biased way of looking at it.
In game 1, the Spurs took a 1-pt lead with 2:16 to go. They never scored again while we made every shot and every FT to win going away.
In Game 2, the Knicks, in a game that the Spurs were absolutely desperate to get a home win, took a 14-pt lead at the 6:04 mark. Credit the Spurs for making a frantic comeback and taking a 2-pt lead with 0;57 left. But that lead lasted 18 seconds until, guess who, Jalen Brunson ties the game, and the Spurs never scored again.
In Game 3, the Spurs had a 7-point lead with 1:53 left and had to hold on for dear life.
And in Game 4, the Knicks held the Spurs to 30 points in the second half. Only so much of that can be blamed on bad shooting. We out-mentally toughed/out-executed them down the stretch, and they were incredibly fortunate that Josh Hart missed an uncontested layup so that we are even having this discussion.
I can’t be the only one for whom this crossed their mind: Wemby’s most likely physical comp is probably KP. KP could never play lots of minutes, either, not even when he was quite young.
Donnie, if you’re reading this, it’s okay to drop the bit and come back into the fold. We love you and we miss you. We went through the bad times with you. Even with your betrayal, you still deserve to enjoy the good times now.
donnie is like a boho chic ayn rand character in that he worships greatness but knows how to operate an air fryer. as a result he can be morally comfortable trolling incessantly while the patients are bleeding internally at the hands of tyrese haliburton dagger taunts or desperately hallucinating jonathan bender comeback fanfiction, but is ontologically opposed to sullying historically stellar nba vibes.
The resiliency of this team has been build through adversity on top of their work ethic, talent & championship DNA. That’s the tech stack that Spurs lack at the moment.
Spurs have the talent and the Championship DNA (especially with Wemby and Castle but Harper and Champegnie too).
However, they don’t have the connectivness, calmness and poise built through overcoming adversity. OG said there wasn’t anything that needed to be said, we just looked at each other and knew we were about to go on a run soon.
Spurs need a captain (Fox new contract was a big mistake, he’s 50/50 at best) and a they desperately need a standard on how they’re going to close out games.
That’s why I always said that those Indiana losses + struggling mid season was a welcomed and necessary experience. Also, may God bless CJ McCullum & Atlanta Hawks.
Two years ago we let Indiana win game three and then lost the series due to uncessary wear and tear injuries. Last year we didnt close it out in Boston, we learned from this and closed out last three series on first try.
that is such a great story cyber…and way to rock out…
please please please, let stiller’s project end happily – for us 🙂
I’m in love with the “il sort de nulle part” (he comes out of nowhere) in the French play by play.
One thing I’m desperately curious about will be the Spurs’ psychological disposition. I mean, they just had one of the most epically disastrous collapses ever seen (or experienced). That could make them even more determined, but it could also make them nervous and hesitant, or some third emotional vibe I’m not even imagining (having never gone through something that horrid on a global stage, myself).
I could certainly imagine that they might come out hard from the gate, but then when we punch back they wilt. But it’ll be interesting to see…
Jeremy Lin & Carmelo Anthony live right now on Youtube???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhcVbHqRXyQ
Did you guys see the video of the USMNT watching the game?
https://x.com/StevePopper/status/2065468502836650379
These guys are getting ready for the World Cup at home and still go insane for that moment.
pro vid version of the wu-tang halftime performance…
My goodness, the vibes are IMMACULATE.
just saw a vid of the last play showing KAT encouraging the two fans to harper’s left to crowd him tight on the sideline…
clever KAT…
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Substack:
Lin’s appearance on Pablo Torre’s podcast was great, but also a tough listen for those of us who still think it was a travesty to let him go. He says he asked his agent to ask the Rockets to lower their offer and/or take out the poison pill in order to make it more likely the Knicks matched (his agent wisely talked him out of this).
Lin’s post-Linsanity career has been lost to history, but he was a perfectly solid, durable player who would’ve been great to have on the 2012-2013 team. People have lost the forest for the trees on the question of whether we should’ve matched–it wouldn’t have impacted our cap situation at all and would’ve made us better. We didn’t do it because of the pettiness of James Dolan and Carmelo Anthony, as best I can tell.
Glad he’s finally back at the Garden.
I don’t know about being an expert, Geo, but I do pack light. Otherwise I just do the “NYC walk and scan” and trust my instincts. I’ve never felt unsafe in Mongolia except from bad drivers, damaged sidewalks, and pollution. It’s rare that I do feel unsafe these days – NYC in some places, Cairo, Saudi. Most of the time, though, a benefit of living in an era of surveillance and phone cameras is that it’s rare you feel isolated anywhere. And when I do, I’m still a pretty big dude who has game face despite advancing age.
I’ll report back long after the playoffs rather than fill the thread with observations. Suffice to say that this place is about as foreign as it comes, but there is a lot that’s really wonderful about it.
I also expect our guys to be heroic. They’re old enough to know the only path to being immortal, and it starts at 0-0.
an extraordinary life you live…
thanks Rama, stay brave…
“teams down 3-1 in the finals with game 5 at home are actually just 9-8 in game 5.”
One dynamic in some of the data is that the game 5 home team was typically the team without HCA given the old 2-3-2 format. The road team back then knew it had 2 close out games at home if it didn’t close out in game 5.
Also I LOVE KARL.
I’m curious what y’all think of that… I’ve mentioned it a few times but no one’s bit…
I think Fox on a 4 year max ($55M AAV, the same contract KAT has, making $61.3M when he’s 32) is absolutely untradeable. But Lowe and Begley talked about it as if a team desperate for a PG like Minnesota or Houston could bite.
What say the hive?
All direct flights from NYC to San Antonio seem to be sold-out. The cheapest ticket for a flight with a stopover is $1k.
It will be like Philly/Cleveland again.
Might be time to note here that B. Stiller’s directorial debut (*), Reality Bites, starred serial shoplifter and Knickerblogger favorite, Winona Ryder. Not only that, but she played Stiller’s girlfriend in the movie.(**)
Kind of a generationally contemporary movie for me, and not without its charms — though marginally pretentious. Had it as a solid 6 at the time and probably would still think that. Might be worth another watch.
(**) The conceit being that he’s providing the mature adult supervision purportedly lacking in WR’s friend group at roughly the same level that it’s lacking in the 2025-26 San Antonio Spurs. Life once again imitating art.
(*) Mentioned on KB yesterday.
Hubert, please see Browns comment on Fox’s late game closeout that got Brown fired. That tells you everything you need to know about Fox’s contract. He’s as albatross as they get.
Dude loses playoff games for you.
I don’t think he’s untradeable, but I don’t think he’s someone that a team like Houston or Minnesota would be remotely interested in. You’d probably have to dump him with an asset on a young team. Both Houston and Minny need point guards who can SHOOT.
I love that. It’s so disheartening for an opponent.
I also loved that Steve Popper link you posted. Team USA cheering for the Knicks like that? It feels like we’re every bit America’s Team as they are!
I have people all over the country texting me that they’re rooting for the Knicks. I’ve even seen videos of bars going nuts in St Louis, MO.
And boy are they rooting for us in OKC.
I think it was mentioned here yesterday but game 4 was the highest rated NBA finals game since 1998!
That is truly an insane number to think about.
DO YOU SEE THAT, SILVER? It’s not because of Wemby! (although maybe his real role is the heel of the NBA).
Would have to be one hell of an asset, no?
That’s so much money! For a small PG whose best attribute is speed and quickness, in his age 30, 31, 32 seasons.
If I’m a team like Brooklyn, and they want to get bailed out of that deal, I’m asking for all their surplus picks (i.e. the ones that aren’t theirs, like the Atlanta pick, the Minnesota pick in 2030, and the Sacramento swap in 2031) (lol I can’t believe they have a swap with Sacramento in 2031)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunder/comments/1u2nuqa/hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha/
https://bsky.app/profile/yourmandevine.bsky.social/post/3mo47njcyds2j
Dan Devine maybe sending some bandwagoners our way.
The League is incentivizing not being TOTALLY awful, and Fox is not a terrible player. He’d be a major step up, talent-wise, for the Nets. And he’d bring them up to, like, the 4th worst team or whatever.
Quality read.
That’s a good point. Let’s hope the Nets draft a good young PG!
So the Spurs tanked so hard the league had to change rules, and now they might get bailed out of their biggest mistake because of the new rules. Lucky MFers.
If this were a fantasy football league, though, everyone would gang up to make sure no traded for him.
Not gonna lie, the “Why did Fox shoot the layup? // Only thing I can think of is he had money on the Knicks” part made me at least pause and think.
Those comments were hysterical. Wembitch!
Plus I like how Oklahoma hates big time on Texas the state, not just the Spurs. Regional warfare.
We’ve developed a special kinship with OKC fans — many of us rooted hard for them against Indiana last year, too. But when we play the Thunder in next year’s finals we’ll probably hate them, too.
In fact I love that there’s two great teams in the west poised to play each other for years, and they’re both despicable teams that everyone hates, and they’re in the two smallest markets in America.
You deserve this, Adam Silver.
Nice work taking away all the advantages of playing in NY, Boston, LA, and San Francisco.
OKC is intertwined with the Knicks in another way. You know the domino meme?
Leon doesn’t add a third year option for I-Hart -> Knicks win the championship
“He says he asked his agent to ask the Rockets to lower their offer and/or take out the poison pill in order to make it more likely the Knicks matched (his agent wisely talked him out of this).”
As someone who loved the brief Linsanity era as much as anyone, I have no real love lost for Jeremy Lin, nor antipathy towards Dolan for refusing to match that ridiculous poison pill contract. Lin made a dumb decision in signing that offer sheet, and he has repeatedly said as much himself in retrospect. He’s smart enough to know that it was a terrible career decision on his part (and seemed to know it at the time) and that whatever extra money he made at the time was never worth it.
I mean, who was the “real” Jeremy Lin at that time? He had a hot streak that lasted a dozen games, and then came crashing down to earth once teams started actually scouting him (his TS% in the last 13 games of his Knicks career was .529 with 82 assists and 49 TOVs) and then predictably got hurt as opponents started paying attention to him and roughing him up. Rather than play in the playoffs through a meniscus injury when the Knicks desperately needed him out of fear of jeopardizing his next contract, he sat out. Then his agent convinced him to put a gun to Dolan’s head by signing that poison pill offer sheet.
To be clear, I don’t blame him for this, but he made his own bed. I don’t blame Dolan for being pissed off, and for refusing to be extorted out of tens of millions of dollars, especially for an unproven player coming off a significant knee injury after a stretch of mediocre post-Linsanity games. I honestly don’t think there are many owners who would have agreed to pay out $60+ million, mostly in luxury tax, for a player like Jeremy Lin at gunpoint. Daryl Morey probably guessed that the thin-skinned Dolan wouldn’t do that, which is why he bothered signing Lin to that bloated offer sheet in the first place. Ironically, Lin went on to be a massive disappointment to Morey, never more so than when he shit the bed in the playoffs. Eventually, as part of a petty sales pitch, Morey adorned his building with a full-length banner of Lin’s buddy Carmelo Anthony wearing Lin’s number while Lin was still on the team before using an unprotected first to dump him.
“Lin’s post-Linsanity career has been lost to history, but he was a perfectly solid, durable player who would’ve been great to have on the 2012-2013 team.”
Perfectly solid? He was mostly a bad shooting turnover machine who rode on the coattails of a magical couple of weeks in 2012. He was at best a mediocre 6th man and at worst an overpaid scrub.
He was “durable” for 4 years post-Knicks, but that 3-year deal he signed with the Nets after a statistically mediocre year in Charlotte (.534 TS% on 22% usage and less than a 1.5 AST/TOV ratio) was an unmitigated disaster…he didn’t even hit the 1,000 minute mark over 2 years with the Nets and was fucking terrible on Toronto before being scrubbed out of the league at age 30.
As to 2012-13, we’ll never know whether Lin would have made much of a difference for us on the court…his overall numbers with Houston weren’t any better than Felton’s and probably worse.
Lin was a great story for a short while and I’m happy that he’s joining the alumni fun, but no need to sugarcoat his history or blame anyone else but himself for it.
It might have made sense in basketball terms, but there’s no reason to believe Dolan’s decision re Lin had anything to do with basketball. He was doing the bidding of his whiny “superstar” who never won shit because he couldn’t share the spotlight with anyone else or function effectively with the type of quality player(s) he needed to play with if he was ever going to actually win.
He got a snit up his ass about Amare, too, when Amare was going well. His pouting over Lin and Linsanity was an abject embarrassment.
People enjoyed Jeremy Lin, Dolan squashed their enjoyment just because. Ring a bell?
And we have KAT because they signed Hartenstein. But we also (might) have Deuce bc they wanted Jeremiah Robinson-Earl. And Mitch is from the Melo trade with them back in the day.
Conversely they received two of their four best players (Jalen Williams and Ajay Mitchell) as presents from us when we needed cap flexibility.
Very, very intertwined. But no longer disproportionately!
You guys realize we’re one win away from killing off #lolKnicks for good??
It’s been on life support since Brunson ascended. But one more win and it’s gone. Forever.
hard to know anyone without spending time together, over time…
in my recent endless quest to consume most any and all Knick content came across this interview KAT did with his mom years ago…
man, he looked like such a big kid at the time, read in to things how you want, still though he came across as a really good kid at the time (no doubt sitting next to his mom had some impact) who seems to have turned in to a good person…
very thankful to be a bale to root for this team and these players at this moment…
Celtics – 18
Lakers – 17
big drop off…
Warriors – 7
Bulls – 6
Spurs – 5
if (hope hope hope) we win another, we join the pistons, heat and sixers with 3…
it would be so cool to see our franchise legacy grow…
OMG Hubie that Thunder subreddit is EPICALLY HILARIOUS!
It feels the whole world has turned and is now rooting for us. If the Knicks finish the job, life as we know it will change. What a time to be. Knicks fan!
Lol he paid more in luxury tax for Andrea Bargnani.
almost noon out here, story time…
been visiting sis for the last week or so…feel blessed to have a chance to do more than just worry while sis goes through the chemo stuff…it’s been a sharp learning curve for her, 2 treatments, some more to go…
she’s in a small spot about half block from downtown menlo park, such a neat area…reminds me a bunch of some small southshore i grew up by like sayville and patchogue, so cool…
normally i tend to stay away from urbanish areas (noise and people), really enjoying this a bunch…
it just feels so alive (as opposed to the endless sub-divisions I’m used to), shoot I’ve even taken to walking down to the metro station here just to watch the people come and go…
as an added benefit bestest friend to geo lives only about 10 miles away…
somehow still hanging together intimately now for 2 years (we’ve been close friends though for about 35 years)…who knew one of the greatest happy spots ever would simply be hanging out in bed together…
AND, as an added bonus, bestest friend to geo seems to have now consumed every crime procedural, spy thriller known to all – so, it’s on to the sci if genre…oh yeah, yay for me…
got this super duper strong urge though to get back home to my little cubby hole in redlands, see my kids, feel their love…
feel safe and secure in structured familiarity…gonna take sis back home with me for a bit, let her hang with ma, who lives not too far, and come back up with her for her next round of treatment…
apppreciate the Knicks and you all helping to keep my mind steady and my spirit strong…
reference de’aaron fox and his incredibly fugly contract…
don’t think there is such a thing as “untradeable”…it only ever takes one other person to see some thing…
I forget if I told this story or not, but I’m friendly with Fred Katz, and I may have vented to him in the past about Leon’s various draft night missteps. So the day after we made the Finals, he publishes a story about how the Mavs tried to get us to trade for Brunson a few months before we signed him. They wanted to get their last outstanding pick back from us. I texted Fred to compliment him on the story, and then added, “You know, it wouldn’t have been that big a deal, because we essentially wound up using that pick on Pacome Dadiet.” He replied that now that we made the Finals, I was required to stop whining about Dadiet, various Jalens we could have drafted with picks that Leon showed no interest in keeping, etc. I wasn’t so sure, especially once it seemed like Mitch might miss the series and I thought having Jalen Duren around might prove useful. (And, yes, I know that if we had Duren, we probably don’t trade for KAT, yada yada yada. It’s not rational. None of this is.)
But I think if we win one of these next three games, we maybe have to retire all of our Leon grievances? Even if some of those Bridges picks wind up being used on future stars?
Dolan’s decision not to match the Lin offer sheet was a wholly rational analysis of the financial and basketball implications. We simply could not have afforded Lin’s ~$8.4M salary in 2012-2013, even though there was nothing stopping us from re-signing him and acquiring Felton.
Look, no matter what you think of the decision to not match, Dolan definitely did not add $11M in raw payroll and $29M to his luxury tax bill the very next offseason. Again, that did not happen, and any memories you may have of him doing so are nothing more than a trauma induced delusion.
The man has been a beacon of fiscal restraint and sound basketball analysis for his entire career.
I’ve wondered many times what we will discuss in the board once the Knicks win the championship. I look forward to finding out!
ummmmmm, need i remind you mister al and marechal – a large number of us are native new yorkers…
we were born to bitch in order to help balance the universe…
it’s our duty, and birthright…
Don’t be silly… we traded Ajay Mitchell away for cold hard cash, a 2028 2nd rd pick that’s top-45 protected, and the most injury-prone player since Greg Oden.
i think E will still run with the “OG coulda been had for less” stance until the cows come home…
not to stray off the path too far (minor miracle to get anywhere) – this texas tech situation seems entirely apropos to sports in 2026…
feels like we’re gettimg to the future ever faster…
I forgot to add the important part, which is that we didn’t actually gain any financial flexibility from this unless Dolan was really desperate for $500K in cash. Rose just thought McCullar would be better, which is looking like a pretty terrible choice.
“Don’t be silly… we traded Ajay Mitchell away for cold hard cash, a 2028 2nd rd pick that’s top-45 protected, and the most injury-prone player since Greg Oden.”
basketballreference says that this was our trade of Ajay Mitchell:
June 27, 2024: Traded by the New York Knicks to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Oso Ighodaro and cash.
100% retired. No questions asked. Even if the 2031 pick turns out to be the next LeBron James.
I’m not going to go the other way and worship the ground he walks on. And I’ll discuss moves he makes in the future, some of which I may not like.
But all grievances are gone if they win this thing.
Gonna be hilarious after Knicks win the championship if they trade away the 24th and 31st picks in this year’s draft what the reactions on this site will be!
There’s probably a decent argument for Minnesota trading Gobert for Fox, since Minnie doesn’t have a PG and a surplus of talented bigs.
I said this two weeks ago, Al… if we win the chip this year Leon should celebrate by incinerating our first round pick the way people light cigars with $100 bills
LOL. You know it’s coming!
I’m counting the subsequent trade of Ighodaro for McCullar and a 2028 Boston 2nd top-45 protected
If they win the first one, we’ll want a second one. Some time may pass before complaints in that vein start to be uttered — I’d put the over-under on that date quite a bit beyond the draft — but ultimately time will pass and the imperatives of 2026-27 will be upon us.
This will forever be a legendary run, though.
(And it would be utterly hilarious if Leon incinerated this year’s 1. )
Sorry if this has been covered, but Johnson playing Wemby 11 minutes in the 3rd and all 12 minutes in the 4th is malpractice and maybe even a fireable offense.
They were already bleeding out, so just take Wemby out at the 5 minute mark for a minute! If Wemby comes in fresh for the final 4 minutes, we probably lose that game.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he’s a terrible coach! I hope he can keep it up for at least one more game.
Speaking of Oklahoma hating on Texas:
‘As the Big 12 continues to consider actions against Texas Tech and quarterback Brendan Sorsby, Oklahoma attorney general Gentner Drummond is calling on the conference to suspend Sorsby.’
Warms my cold, cold heart…
There are dozens of Dadiet believers, Alan! Dozens! (probably somewhere, not me though)
okay okay okay okay…you all are right reference leon…it is important to forgive…
also kind of impossible to truly forget stuff too though…
actually, I never really cared about how the sausage is made…payroll stuff is even duller…draft stuff is fun, like seeing promising new faces on the team…
this year will be tough, really like who we have on the team now, some will need to move forward somewhere else…
most important to me was bringing good folks in to our locker room (appreciate you ronny turiaf, appreciate you kyle o’quinn)…great having a bunch of folks on the team that can put several sentences together in a thoughtful way…
only one team wins each season, that leaves 82 games rooting for your team…
leon seems to look to surround himself with good people, places a bunch of value to it…smart move, especially if you’ll be spending a lot of time with those people…
first time I kind of understood who he was happened at the end of game when the camera panned to him, and his daughter was engaged with him, and look to be just loving her dad…it was neat to see…
ess-dog, the san antonio spurs are not losing by much…think they’ve had a double digit lead each game – ugh those first quarters…
only thing seperating us from them: clutch…that’s it, chemistry and a little more composure, our players have done it before, not at this level though…
these games are razor thin (thank you for that zebras, bet game 5 ratings will be off the charts)…
mitch johnson could do better, but then we would be down 1 – 3 heading to san antonio…
Dolan is an asshole, we all know that. He is also a guy who has never taken well to being told “do this or else,” which is the very nature of a poison-pill deal. You, me, Morey, and Jeremy Lin and his agent knew who Dolan was at the time. He and Donald Trump are of the same thin-skinned “100% loyalty or else” ilk. If you are so inclined to take it as a personal affront that a notoriously mercurial owner predictably did what a) everyone knew he would do and b) what nearly every other owner would have done under those circumstances, go right ahead!
And while you’re at it, why not massively sugarcoat Lin’s post-Linsanity career in the process! You know, he did actually play 21 mpg in the 2013 playoffs, so we don’t really have to speculate on whether or not he would have helped. In those 84 glorious minutes in Houston, he scored 16 points on 24 shots and had 8 assists and 8 turnovers. The team was -38.2 per 100 possessions while he was on the court, and his on/off was -42.2. Damn, we sure could have used that!
Was that an outlier? Well, in his 477 career playoff minutes, Lin had a -2.7 BPM and a TS% of .490 (21.6% from 3).
So pardon me for dispensing of my Jeremy Lin love shortly after he made his bed with the most bloodless and ruthless in the league. And as painful as it still seems to be for some Lin apologists, believe me, no one is more upset in retrospect that Dolan refused to match that offer sheet than Daryl Morey.
During the 3 years covered by the offer sheet, Jeremy Lin put up
15.6 PTS/36 and 6.2 AST/36 with a TS% of .548 (102 TS+). He played in 227 of a possible 246 games. Not superstar stuff by any stretch, but yes, solid and durable.
Now do Knicks point guards in the same stretch.
Losing Lin was bad process regardless of results.
The important thing to remember about the Lin situation is that Z-Man believed that the Knicks should have matched the offer. So we’re all in agreement on that.
Never forget that if we had just picked up Dejounte Murray, we’d be wrapping up a 3-peat right around now
Relitigating Jeremy Lin on the eve a title is so on brand.
it felt like jeremy only played here for a few months…he was a backup that got hot for a while, then some dumb front office/melo stuff happened…and then he left…rightfully so, way to go jeremy’s agent…
stylistically though – jeremy was way cool…way way cool…near max sports entertainment value for a while…
so yeah, probably should have paid him and make bank on his off the court value (around the flipping world)…
why’s everybody always picking on E…
There’s a lot of similarities between Lin and Mitch’s upcoming situation. You may not think he’s worth what he gets from another team, but it just makes no sense to lose an asset for nothing.
I thought about simply opting out of a re-litigation of a 14 year old transaction on the eve of a potential first-of-my-life Knicks finals clincher, but that would not be keeping with the spirit of this site now would it?
so gets 29 million from houston…gonna guess our offer was above zero, he would have got let’s say at least 18 to 20 from us (didn’t look it up)…
starring in new york for (not sure how long contract offer may have been) for some years…in 2012 endorsement dollars…not terrible money, maybe bumped by 5 million or so for starting on the knicks…
maybe his agent did him wrong…thought they’d only be able to get a cut of basketball money…
hmmmmmm, probably should have stayed, bent the knee…told agent was going to stay in new york regardless…
not sure who was coaching, any chance he may have got relegated back down on the roster?
Gee, who brought it up?
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Linsanity and Fizdale’s tenure made me the man i am today
The Rockets didn’t even really need Lin for basketball reasons. They had James Harden in the on-ball guard role and didn’t even really use Lin in a way that highlighted his strengths.
His best value to us was as a D’Antoni PG, playing SSOL in a league where that was actually still somewhat novel. D’Antoni got canned not long after Linsanity ended and we got one decent year out of Fat Ray Felton in the PG role before he reverted to Fat Ray Felton mean, so it was all kind of a wash.
Wouldn’t have minded watching JLin’s decadence in a knicks uniform instead of rationalizing the back then buzz kill Houston shit
Would the proposed roster of JB, OG, Julius, DJM, Mitch, the Hart brothers, and DDV, with Deuce and Grimes running shotgun (*), have won a championship if fully healthy? We’ll never know. Maybe. Probably not with Thibs, but since they moved on from him for the suggested ceiling reasons (**), that would ultimately have not been an issue.
I certainly wouldn’t have wanted to play that team. As a neutral, general principle, if Player A can go on a heater in the playoffs and show things he hadn’t shown before, there’s no reason to believe that Players B and C couldn’t do the same thing, given generally similar underlying circumstances.
Academic parlor game at this point. Doesn’t particularly interest me. Might interest me at some future point.
(*) Plus if you’re projecting out, a bunch of additional first round draft choices.
(**) That have been entirely vindicated.
Lin and Melo were never going to work. It was bad but I feel like Lin did ok. He also gave us the only really good moment we had for 20 years.
He’s a NY legend forever and had a decent career.
I don’t feel like things are in the bag at all, as many seem to, and I honestly believe if we had RJ Barrett on this team we would have won the Finals already.
Hang on now, weren’t we supposed to target DJM instead of OG? I see it’s Bridges now instead.
I wonder if recent events play a role in that particular historical revision…
I had an idea. What if refereeing variance is like shooting variance (or all variance)? We got shafted for 2.5 games (game 2, game 3, first half game 4). Instead of thinking the fix is in, maybe we’re due for a serious regression.
Both. Proposal a couple weeks before the actual OG trade. Neither IQ nor RJ were on the team I proposed going to “war” or “battle” with come playoff time. Both OG and DJM were. Archives.
Where? He’s not on the “team” outlined above and is irrelevant. Neither is KAT.
I’m not as worried about losing Mitch now. I mean I’d bring him back if we can for a similar salary and I think it’s possible with the playoffs he’s had. Same with Deuce.
But we’ve gone in this finals run with not that much contribution from those guys. Shamet is more important to keep although deuce and Mitch provide valuable regular season minutes and seem to do ok in the earlier rounds. But I kind of feel like if we lose them with our draft picks and vet minimums we might be able to find suitable replacements for them. And it feels like maybe they won’t get big offers from other teams because neither has really shown out in the playoffs.
I don’t feel secure too despite being up 3-1
BUT not because of SA’s value but mainly cause of league’s interests.
You must be totally innocent to believe that refs didn’t fuck us on the previous two games and just made mistakes…
We talk about professionals here who know EXACTLY what they’re doing.
I’m very afraid that Knicks may have to play 7 games OR Play extremely better than SA to get this fkn chip in 5…or in 6
Let’s hope that I’m wrong
Wemby: “Everyone knows we are going to do it.”
I don’t think we should be making any decisions on Mitch because he can’t play in the hardest series of the year, against the best player in the world, with a broken finger, and mental health issues to boot. There’s no vet min player in the world who can do a fraction of what Mitch can.
I would definitely scour the league to try to find someone who can, though. And I’d draft a C. If you hit, then you can trade Mitch. But don’t just let him go. Even if he’s just tradable salary, that’s a huge asset to have.
Leon has pretty much carte blanche with the draft, but he’s gonna take some hits on Knickerblogger if he lets Mitch go for nothing. No question.
One of the biggest possessions of the series was Mitch defending Wemby beautifully at the end of Game 2 (he did well on the previous possession, as well, where Wemby missed another shot, too, when it was tied at 104). If they win the title, just bring everyone back! I’m totally fine with middle-aged Towns dragging his ass up the court making $70 million a year if they win this series!
I’m not, but we shouldn’t have to worry about that bc he’s still got two years left on his deal 🙂
Do we need to play Dejounte Murray in this scenario, or can we actually try and win a championship?
DJM had a couple good to great years early on and he’d have made a great addition if he maintained that level of play but has been utterly abysmal in the last few. There are crazier takes on the board, but the idea of DJM is no longer the reality of DJM.
Fair enough but since the other contenders ain’t gonna be worse than this year but possibly better maybe it’s about time to pull a greek freak trade after the finals.
I agree with bringing everyone back, just don’t hand out needless extensions as rewards. Eventually everyone on this team except Jalen is gonna move on.
I’m fine extending everyone, full no trade clauses. If they win a title, they can all be Knicks for life!
Honestly I can’t weigh in on Mitch until after this series.
Breen on the Kay show
https://youtu.be/0SpvV4U4ZKk?is=LOv-RsGthHcBARhn
And Larry David
https://x.com/ajak1033/status/2065557630311948445?s=46&t=0wqff4cNt-sCGcDs-uMExw
For tonight I’m putting my Knicks Eastern Conference champs shirt away and am wearing a USA soccer shirt!
Feeling good about the US now
USA…USA…
Definitely feeling good
In all honesty first 2 games USA supposed to win, not this easily though!
Interesting clip break down the Spurs defense on the OG play. Basically, they got confused, and Wemby ended up on Brunson by accidenr. Not sure if I buy that. Putting Wemby on him seems fine. But they do look confused
https://x.com/bballbreakdown/status/2065605006242509007/video/1?s=46
Re the subject of a Finals’ team traveling to Game 5 with 3-1 series lead:
This circumstance has not presented itself since the switch back to the 2-2-1-1-1 format in 2014.
From 1985-2013, the 2-3-2 era, it happened 10 times with a 5-5 split of home/road W’s.
From 1956-1984, the previous 2-2-1-1-1 era, it happened only 3 times, with home team winning 1 of those: PHI over LAL in 1982. LAL then closed it out at home in 6. The Knicks, of course, were one of the two 3-1 road winners in this era, beating LAL in L.A. to win the ’73 Finals in 5 games.
From 1947-1955, the Finals’ format varied back and forth. Home teams won three times in 4 instances of being down 3-1, with 2 in each format.
Upshot: Road team traveling with a 3-1 lead is a rare occurrence in the history of the 2-2-1-1-1 Finals’ format (only 3 times since 1953) but Knicks have their own history on their side.
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