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46 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.08.13)”
Anybody wish Thibs was managing the Yankees?
What’s Thibs going to do with that bullpen?
Come on, Alan, this one answers itself: he’ll just run the starters out for 9 innings until their arms fall off.
“That” bullpen was fine the first 75 games or so until he ground them into talcum because even with a 6-2 lead he loves to pull his starter after 93 pitches and use 4 relievers to pitch the last 4 innings. Every night! He thinks it is illegal to use a ‘long man’ for 55 pitches out of the pen and give him 2 days off.
I don’t want Al Leiter throwing 142 pitches, but can a bloody starter throw 110? there’s no reason that can’t happen if you condition them properly.
Crying in baseball. Love to see it. If we suddenly veered into that timeline, who are the coaches you’d replace Thibs with, from within or without basketball?
Boone has made questionable decisions here and there but it’s hard for me to get on him for not being able to get much out of this bullpen. I mean, just look at the back of these guys’ baseball cards. These are not good pitchers, by and large. It seems Cashman got way too cute with the whole “just get guys who do a thing or two well and let Matt Blake figure it out” thing. That’s a fine strategy for trying to unearth 1-2 backend guys, not the whole damn bullpen.
How the hell do we have one lefty, that being the legendary Tim Hill, in the bullpen? Serious question, is there any other team in the MLB with literally one lefty in the bullpen?
I also don’t see leaving the starters in longer as a solution. Cole is clearly being eased back in after a long layoff, Rodon can eat innings but is a total wild card in terms of, you know, run prevention, and everyone else tends to rack up high pitch counts early or just get shelled out of the game.
I tend to think the MLB playoffs are largely a crapshoot and if you put together a very good team you’ve done your job, but this pitching staff is not getting through October unless a lot changes between now and then.
I don’t know anything about baseball data.
I assume they have data that tells them how effective pitchers are at various pitch counts.
Do they make adjustments based on individual pitcher data or do they use more general data?
Do they make any subjective adjustments to their data based rules based on how strong the pitcher looks that night?
By that I don’t mean how many hits or runs he gave up that could be random. I mean the strength of his arm, movement of the ball and location of his pitches.
It feels like sometimes the starter at a less than optimal pitch count would still better than some reliever just coming in depending on how strong he is that night or the quality gap between them in general.
Hard fast rules based on more generalized long term data can’t be right all the time.
Yes.
I went from someone who adored baseball and could name almost every player in the league to not caring at all. Largely because of the change in focus from batting average to homers, and the incredible increase in statistical analyses. One is aesthetically displeasing, the other, well, just leaves me feeling empty.
I was in a bar recently and saw someone bunt and it made my heart sing.
Not sure if I’m more sad over no longer caring, or over the fact that all this means I’m now clearly an old fogey (Jowles wins, again…). But I still think the most exciting event in the sport is a hard-hit ball in the gap that goes for a triple.
The Mets currently have one lefty, which is the opposite of an endorsement of that strategy. That may change in the coming days.
It certainly might change.
Strat, I always assumed your nickname came from the Stratomatic baseball game I played years ago with cards of stats for players. Not so, I guess?
Raven, it’s been interesting to compare the impact that analytics have had on baseball and basketball. In both cases, we’ve seen the sports lean further and further into efficiency, leading to increasing homogeny in how everyone plays. For baseball, that’s Three True Outcomes play, where the majority of at-bats end in a walk, home run, or strike out. For basketball, it’s all about firing away from downtown or shooting right around the basket, and woe be to any team relying too much on long twos.
But where there have been some understandable complaints, including around here, about how everyone in basketball plays the same way, on the whole the on-court product is still exciting to watch, in some ways even more than in the era of Melo or Kobe isos. But baseball is pretty miserable to watch in this era. The ball is rarely put in play, not a lot happens on the bases, and every team (other than the Yankees at the moment) seems to have a half-dozen relievers who can throw in the high 90s and strike out the side. MLB at least took steps to limit the use of defensive shifts (which also cut dramatically into balls put in play), and has eliminated relief pitchers coming in for a single batter. But the defense and the pitcher are still drastically advantaged over hitters, and hitters in turn have all adopted a philosophy from a young age that turns this all into a vicious cycle.
It sucks.
Baseball is fun when in a decent ballpark. Hate to say it but Fenway is my favorite. Those club room burgers are awesome. Otherwise it’s like sudoku in tight pants with healthy leg routines.
“Strat, I always assumed your nickname came from the Stratomatic baseball game I played years ago with cards of stats for players. Not so, I guess?”
Strat-O-Matic is not exclusive to baseball. It also includes football, basketball, and hockey. I’ve only ever played Strat-O-Matic NFL, but I have a couple of friends who are also very into the baseball version put out by the company.
hi everyone…hope you all are well…
curious about the Stratomatic game stuff…
I looked at it a little, not sure I’m getting it…
is it a game with dice? like dungeons and dragons where you roll for stuff?
was at this nice comic shop recently and they had this whole wall of different board games…
I can’t even find the patience for peace of mind, so yeah, I just do video games, no board games…
board gaming is a whole other world of gaming…
Ah. Got it.
As for the game, all I remember is setting lineups against my friend and then somehow playing the game by looking at the back of each player card in order to see if they got a hit or whatever.
The data was kind of like the normal baseball card but more detailed as I remember. It was fun trying to guess probabilities, testing hunches about better batting orders than the real manager would choose, and also bringing in situational hitters or relief pitchers etc. As I recall, the teams were fixed, but you could make all star lineups, trade players and so on.
I think I lost a whole summer doing that in middle school and then forgot all about it bc girls.
Fuck, no. Absolutely nothing like Dungeons and Dragons. In olden times, yes, it would be played with dice. But that was like 60 years ago now. It’s all digital now.
On offense you basically set your formation and then run your play, but of course your opponent sets their defensive formation based on what they think you’re going to do. If they “guess right,” you can still succeed, but your chances are much less. If they guess wrong, you likely succeed on your play. All players (both offense and defense) come with their own ratings, and yes, chances are set up just as if they were rolls of the dice to make it random for the player ratings. It’s fun to be able to go back and “play” a game from 1977 (or whenever) with two 1977 teams, or I believe it’s possible to play games with teams from two different seasons. There are random injuries and everything built in.
But all of it is a *humongous* time suck.
Yes, it did come from the game.
I had an uncle that loved that game and played it all the time with his older brother and friends. I was a kid and used to watch them and look at all the numbers, but I never became the kind of baseful fan that got into the statistics for the game. I just watched it and enjoyed it.
oh so now Doogie has non-vacuous opinions now that we’re on his geek nerd shit okay
Understood. Cool. I have fond memories on my end, too (if a bit vague) 😉
Of course I’m often reminded of that game here, thanks to your name, and bc all the posters are using advanced stats to second guess Thibs and so on. Same idea.
I’d still rather talk about the Knicks. I’m still bothered that Hartenstein took the $$$. It could have been so perfect.
Three billy goats and shit
What about them?
I was the guy that would get driven to the point of insanity when a manager would bring let his setup guy pitch in the high leverage situation in the 8th rather than bringing in the closer. The guy who would groan every time some team bunted in the first three innings. The guy who hated the old school manager who would leave the starting pitcher in the game to get his brains beaten in on pitches 105-115 while there was a fully rested bullpen ready to go in the seventh inning.
As a result I think I’m one of the few people who enjoys baseball more now. I don’t particularly miss the banjo hitting 2B who bats second for no reason other than “if it was good enough for Leo Durohcer, it’s good enough for us.” Gimme nerdball. I’m here for it.
You saying Duane Kuiper would not be your favorite #2 hitter?
(He hit one [1] homer in his rather long career!)
JK47 — am currently down a Julian Lage rabbit hole. Do I need a Nachocaster? 😉
Maybe; maybe not. Probably not, though. 🙂
I’m sure Manfred loves it but parity in MLB this season pretty ridiculous.
The main reason why as much as I’ve grown to loathe this Yankees team (aside from Judge and Soto of course) they have as good a chance and probably much better chances as anybody to win the World Series.
Anyone else like to dip their tortilla chips into harbison?
I don’t know what harbison is, which makes me expect that I wouldn’t like to dip any tortilla chips into it. I only have tortilla chips like twice a year anyway, though, so it’s not a big deal either way. 🙂
I just looked up harbison, and now I know that I definitely would *not* want to dip any tortilla chips (or anything else, for that matter) into it. It looks absolutely horrid/disgusting. Plus, I try to eat only fat-free cheese, and I’m almost certain that whatever that crap is absolutely does *not* qualify. Maybe some hot salsa for tortilla chips, but that would be about it. Happy eating! 🙂
Whatever Chud
I think analytics improved basketball for fans, the game looks and feels better now than it used to. It’s led to more variance of outcomes, where the best team probably wins a little less of the time, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
Analytics did seem to ruin baseball. That’s why you have all these rules changes to try to restore some of what was lost. But baseball was always boring to the layman. When it becomes boring to the geeks that can recite the 1927 Pittsburgh Pirates individual batting averages like I still can (I wish there was an empty trash icon to click in my brain), then you’ve pretty much lost the farm.
Those Nachocasters look nice. I can’t really justify spending that much money on one piece of gear because there’s so much other stuff I always need. I mean I don’t really NEED a $2,000 tape delay but on the other hand I kinda do.
I think I may have badgered the artist relations guy at Fender to give me a deep discount on a new American Telecaster. Butterscotch blonde. I’m pitching some tunes to country artists and you just gotta have that Telecaster twang. Anyway.
Re Nachocasters: Yeah, “I’m just gonna go find a cash machine.” 😉
Re new work: Keep posting your stellar music links. We’re all supporters.
PS — Apparently Lage uses an Ellisonic pickup in the neck of his Nacho, so maybe he just likes the feel of the thing, bc it ain’t twangin’ set up like that. Cheers.
Fuck you. 🙂 Don’t ask us about what we want to dip our tortilla chips in if you don’t really want to know. LOL
so, would it be considered a “board” game…it sort of sounds more like a card type game…like pokemon maybe…
is it like pokemon…I once saw some people at a bookstore play that…
were you too poor to have a TV and gaming console growing up…heck, better yet – a gaming rig…
I wonder if Stratomatic sports have online versions these days…
Awww, sweetums. I just don’t care what you think. Wasn’t that obvious? You’re a half rate pimpledick troll who uses emojis. I, like everyone else, haven’t cared what you said even before you started paying attention to my fabulousness.
Gotta get back to this orgy now. Toodaloo.
Shit gets weird in the summer…
I stopped watching a lot of baseball after college. But I am with JK47. Following all the advanced stats stuff and reading Fangraphs daily has made baseball much more interesting to me.
“Awww, sweetums. I just don’t care what you think. Wasn’t that obvious? You’re a half rate pimpledick troll who uses emojis. I, like everyone else, haven’t cared what you said even before you started paying attention to my fabulousness.
Gotta get back to this orgy now. Toodaloo.”
Nice try! LOL 🙂 🙂 🙂
By the way, I’m not the only one who uses emojis:
KBA says:
August 13, 2024 at 20:23
JK47 — am currently down a Julian Lage rabbit hole. Do I need a Nachocaster? 😉
Chud. 🙂
long time lurker here.
a really nice community exists here – I love the little diversions and all the twists and turns that things take here – when it’s all purely bball related it’s much too dry.
to have such insane pedantry take over every thread is quite a drag.
clarence – you’re a breath of fresh air!
I only answered the question that he asked. He put it out to the entire forum (including me) and asked if we liked that crap on tortilla chips. I wrote that I didn’t and then wrote what I would prefer instead. If one asks stupid-ass questions like that on here, one should expect actual responses to them. <shrug> 🙂
i’m assuming you don’t have anything better to do with your time, doogie. keep shrugging, i guess.
I’ve got plenty of other stuff to do with my time. I’m doing one of them at the same time as responding to this BS. I’m not awesome at multi-tasking, but I can do it sometimes. Thanks for the permission to shrug, not that I needed it. 🙂 <shrug>
And by the way, you are also on here and responding at the same time that I am. So I guess you have nothing better to do with your time. LOL