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Couldn’t stay up for the whole thing, but proud of our guys for fighting against the champs, even while exhausted, undermanned, and wildly undersized. 3-1 is still a wildly successful road trip.
Shame to go 3-1 and lose ground in the standings.
Seems like the NBA schedule is built so that every team gets a month-long run. And this is Orlando’s turn.
In this morning’s edition of the Sourpuss Journal (TM), the headline story is that DDV’s TS% is now below last year’s, albeit on higher usage. Per 36, his assists are down from 4.8 to 3.5 and his rebounds are down from 6.2 to 4.6.
Looking like a hot streak/minutes illusion to a significant degree, that’s now reverting. The “playoff risk” (*) is crystal clear.
(*) No real need for scare quotes there, but in deference to the readership, the house style guide will permit.
I think the best take on last night’s games was Denver got good games from Murray and Gordon yet needed a ridiculous 13-16 shooting night from Porter PLUS 39 minutes of prime Jokic to finally put away the Knicks at home sans their entire front court.
Pretty impressive.
Thank you, Z, Strat, ptmilo, JK, and Henny Youngman. As always, I appreciate the kind words of this group. And yes, JK. It’s tough—one doesn’t seem to see dementia/Alzheimer’s coming until it is too late.
I think other teams are defending Donte harder now after he started the season so hot and made everyone pay attention.
Yes, exactly this. That this was a 2-pt game halfway through the fourth is pretty impressive. Denver got an elite Jokic performance plus huge games by Murray and Porter. I-Hart was really the only Knick that had an excellent game, even Brunson – who started off so well – did not shoot that great in the 4th quarter.
Put Randle in this game and I don’t think they get out-rebounded 42-31 (Denver had so many points off offensive rebounds). Or alternatively, put OG in and Porter doesn’t go off the way he did.
Oh, and the Knicks were on the last game of a long road trip. When that happened to Denver earlier in the year, the Knicks won by 40.
His TS was pretty good last year: .593
Oddly enough it’s been his FT shooting that’s driven it lower. His 3P% is an identical .397, and his eFG% of .573 is off by just .001. But he’s shooting FT’s at 75% vs 82% last year.
That extra volume is incredibly important. He’s shooting 3.6 more 3’s per 36 at a 40% clip. That’s why his BPM is at 3.3 this year vs 0.7 last year.
I am not worried about Donte at all, and shall remain the driver of his bus.
I suspect DDV’s rebounds are down a bit because we have so many good rebounders. There are only so many missed shots. That’s one stat I’m not worried about at all.
TS% and assists are probably down a bit because he’s being asked to do so much more scoring. He’s more of a 3rd or 4th option or even a 6th man scorer off the bench, but he’s been asked to be the 2nd option during the injury period.
We have to get healthy first and then we’ll see what we have and who may need to be upgraded in the off season.
I would like to highlight that yesterday at 8:56am in the morning news thread E came on and said his usual piece. No one attacked him for speaking his mind, and we all had a merry day.
So shame on you, Brunson Peroneus. Because it’s bad faith, hyperargumentative responses like yours just now that hijack threads around here, not E’s opinions.
Yeah, idk, opinions like ‘why isn’t tom thibodeau replicating the 2020 Utah Jazz results because he has Bojan and 14 different players’ are probably not the best faith arguments.
Donte is playing like what he probably is, a pretty good 2guard, not the second coming of Klay Thompson. Which is a bummer, but not all that bad either.
I tapped out in the 3rd quarter last night, I’m kind of glad I didn’t stay up enought to get sucked into a fake comeback. Very nice road trip, I hope we get enough rest to deal with a matinee against the Nets who have got to be pretty motivated to play well against us
You may still be the driver of the DDV bus (I am a passenger) but he isn’t a top 40 player in the league. That is where we disagree. He went on an incredible heater and some extrapolated that into the emergence of some great new force in the NBA. Others saw a wild small sample size yet still lauded management for their foresight in wrapping up a good NBA starting level player at a magnificent price.
It is not being argumentative to point out obvious trolling. Thibs being a love child of chess masters isn’t an argument. But proceed in doing what you blame me of.
Comparing Donte’s TS% to last year’s when his usage has gone from 15.1% to 21.5% is a yawner. Low-effort stuff.
The fact that his efficiency is in the same ballpark despite that jump is why his EPM and BPM are career highs. Of course he was going to come down from the insane heater he was on for a while there, but no one should worry about him. It’s not like he’s going to be asked to do much shot creation in the playoffs unless we’re badly injured, in which case we have no shot anyway.
Klay is indeed a lofty comp but I think he’s reached par with Desmond Bane. He is shooting 40% from three on 11 attempts/36, and he’s sustained this level over 2 consecutive seasons. He isn’t just taking the easy corner 3’s, either. His shot chart is everywhere.
Ohtani’s team is now requesting law-enforcement investigate this issue further. So either they are telling the truth about the translator stealing from Ohtani, or they are so dumb about all of this, Jimmy McGill is eventually going to have to come in and tell Ohtani to record a Squat Cobbler video to get out of this mess.
Having trouble believing they told Ohtani his translator had stolen 4 million dollars from him in a team meeting
It’s been 3,731 minutes of 40% 3P shooting on 930 attempts spanning two nearly full seasons.
Was just thinking the exact same thing.
Ohtani was dumb enough to get into this situation in the first place, so you can’t really rule anything out.
What bookie was extending a $4.3M line of credit to a translator that was making $300K a year?
I turned off the game last night with about 3 minutes left when it was apparent we weren’t going to win. Moral victories aren’t really a thing with a team at our level but it’s hard to be disappointed with the outcome last night. They kept up with the champs on the road at the end of a road trip without our starting front line and Brunson didn’t have a particularly good game either.
The biggest positive for me was Burks. If he can finally perk up and provide the scoring and ball handling we got him for, it will be huge for us. Bojan seems like a lost cause right now but I’m still hoping that will change once we get some of our other dudes back. Fully healthy, Bojan might be more situational for us anyways.
We now have 4 VERY winnable games coming before we face OKC. I’m hoping Mitch is back during one of these easy stretches. Very anxious to hear about Randle and OG and when we might expect them. I feel like we need them both for at least 5 games before the season ends to shake off rust, figure out what Randle’s role and minutes will be and get the rotations set for the playoffs.
Shortly after the 2-pts margin, there was the “take” call on Burks, the endless official timeout to sort it, then Denver got a free throw plus the ball as a result. Massive momentum shift.
Not saying we would have won — Denver was great — but glad to see our shorthanded squad sticking with them for a while.
One that most likely was actually extending the credit to a guy making $700M over the next ten years.
It’s very possible that the long-term situation with gambling will be similar to what happened with the NCAA — the masses and fanboys who demand their couch potato entertainment will wind up saying, “What’s the big deal if a player has a bet on his team, these rules are stupid and hypocritical?” “Racism” might also somehow be thrown in. But I don’t expect the line to hold over the medium/long term.
Bane has been siginficantly higher usage than Donte the last 2 years, but he’s been playing for a mess of a team so who knows what Donte would be doing if he was on Memphis. But if Donte is like 90% of Bane for a third of the price that’s pretty great.
I was looking at the Magic schedule vs. Knicks schedule and it’ll probably come down to the last few games of the season for the 4th seed.
The Magic schedule gets harder for a while (finally) as they next play the Kings, Warriors and Clips (all at home tho) and they do play the Bucks 2 more times this season.
The key for us will be to continue to take care of business against the shitty teams; we really can’t afford a stumble at this point. We play the Nets and Bulls twice which are 4 games we absolutely have to win.
Oh and the Cavs have a West coast trip in April playing the Nuggets, Suns, Lakers and Clippers, so the 3rd seed is definitely in play.
Don’t be intentionally obtuse, it doesn’t become you. I am quite sure you recall the conversation debating DDVs so called emergence to a top 40 player, and it had nothing to do with shooting 40% from 3 for an extended period. And for the record. I believe DDV shot a ridiculous 45% from three that heater month.
The “incredible heater” referred to was his 74% TS% for an entire month. This was greater than Steph Curry’s best TS% month where he played > 5 games.
To quote Wesley speaking to Count Rogan in The Princess Bride… https://y.yarn.co/a347685f-5472-4cd2-9236-1287c86da509.mp4
You are allowed to take a victory lap, my friend even though we lost. Virtually no one here thought the Knick had a chance to make this a game. They fought the champs to a virtual draw for 40 minutes and Malone was forced to bring Jokic back into the game after a 4 minute break in the second half and play him 39 minutes which I am sure he did not want to do.
You keep insisting people’s view of Donte is being distored by a heater, so I’m pointing out the actual numbers people are using to form their opinion.
I opined that DDV has been one of the 40 best players this season based on performance, and I stand by that. That’s different from being “a top 40 player”, as that sort of thing typically bakes in trade value and future expectations.
If you were simply ranking players on the Knicks, for instance, Julius Randle would rank higher than Donte. But if the question is who were the best players on the Knicks this year, Donte’s had a much better year than Julius.
Donte is shooting 39.7% from 3 over the past 2 seasons on 930 attempts, that’s over half his career 3PAs. Donte can shoot shoot.
I think if you asked anybody before the season “how would you feel about DDV having the same efficiency he had in Golden State but with 50% higher usage and a drastically reduced turnover rate” we all would have taken that in a heartbeat.
He’s the seventh highest paid player on the team and is insanely productive on his $10.9M contract.
I would have bet the under and lost. 🙂
We’re giving Thibs all the credit for Donte’s improvement, right?
(this is a joke)
I’ve said this before, I love DDV in the same way I loved Starks…great guy to root for, great bargain on his contract, but maybe a liability against the very best starters at his position.
Maybe Mikal having an off year will lower the price for him somewhat. He’s be a better fit in the starting lineup next to Brunson and DDV would be an excellent 6th-7th man. Alas…
Donte also has arms, while Banes somehow puts up those numbers with stubs on his upper body.
Nice Athletic piece on Thibs. Apparently it’s not all his fault.
Great clip, Alan, had not seen that. Watched the new Road House during the ads last night. It was… a mildly amusing mess. But Jake, despite the brand new bod, is no Patrick. Not sure if that’s a complaint or a compliment. Colin clearly had a blast, though. Would not want to wrastle that guy.
And finally, Burks made some shots last night, but a number of his misses were abysmal. A bit like watching Bad Julius.
You can maneuver any way you’d like to attain a Pyrrhic victory. If comparing Donte’s season to a far better player who rushed back from ankle surgery to play before he was ready and then missed 23-30 games with a busted shoulder, take a bow.
If you are saying than other than the month where he had a ridiculous TS% of 74 that DDV is a top 40 player… Nah. During that month he was a top 15 player, though.
I’m not reading the main troll and skipping most of his deputy’s posts but as I understand from others’ their argument is:
1. Randle = Markkanen minus 4 picks, 3 of them unprotected.
2. Hart, who was selected to team USA, is not a good player.
3. DDV at 3.3 BPM for the MLE is bad value.
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Life is hard, good to have a comic relief every now and then.
Ohtani and his team are going with the “theft” story because it’s the only scenario that doesn’t implicate him in either a crime, a flagrant violation of MLB’s rules, or both. The problem is it’s completely unbelievable for multiple reasons.
I am morbidly fascinated by the situation. Putting aside the (real) possibility of criminal liability, what does MLB do to by far their most marketable player if there’s compelling evidence, if not a smoking gun, he was involved in a massive illegal bookie operation?
Fair, but there were other questions/statements under discussion during his hot streak/bubble: (1) is he a playoff risk; (2) is he better than DJM.
Those are still on the table, very much so. Is he good value at his number? Yes, he absolutely is.
DDV is the seventh highest paid player on the team. He makes less money than Richaun Holmes and Talen Horton-Tucker. He is WAY over performing his modest contract. If you get a player who is having the season DDV is having for under $11M you are flat out crushing it. He is “surplus value” personified.
Yeah, it was an enjoyable game to watch even though we lost. When the bench unit in the 4th cut down the lead to 2 I thought “we might win this thing” but when Jokic came back early I thought “nah.” And they did get some really lucky bounces (although Jamal is known for that)
Forget about the future or contract. If you were the GM of a team and you had access to choose any players in the league regardless of price or age, would DDV be among your top 40 picks to play a game with an AK-47 pointed at your head if you lose?
I am morbidly fascinated by the situation. Putting aside the (real) possibility of criminal liability, what does MLB do to by far their most marketable player if there’s compelling evidence, if not a smoking gun, he was involved in a massive illegal bookie operation?
how does he feel about a year and half on the windy city bulls?
Covers it up and fudges it because it isn’t really in the competition business anymore, writ large, but in the entertainment business.
The entire underlying premise behind the gambling rules are that if the public suspects the competition of being not on the up and up, business will suffer. There’s ample evidence to think that premise really isn’t necessarily true. (See the popularity of pro wrestling as one data point.) Once the producers of the entertainment business get a whiff that the premise might not be true and that it might not matter at all to business, then poof — there goes the premise and there go the gambling rules.
What we know for sure is that, given the imperatives of the capitalist entertainment industry, if rigged or suspicious sports sell better than real, honest sports, we will see rigged/suspicious sports. The days of sports as a vehicle to “teach important lessons” or “develop character” are long over. Sports are there to extract money from dudes sitting passively on their couch and having a bet on the game.
hubert don’t let the fact that knickerblogger has somehow morphed into html gadflypaper cajole you into thinking that ddv is desmond bane
I am saying quite clearly and with conviction that Donte’s statistical output in the 2023-23 NBA season has made him one of the 40 best players in the league this year. That means he is having a better year than many players one could say are objectively better than him, such as Julius Randle.
He’s also been much better than Zach Lavine, for instance. Though if one were ranking NBA players Lavine would be higher.
Shit! If he keeps getting worse his numbers might become as poor as those of your favorite player, non-playoff risk Dejounte Murray, who is putting up a sterling .559 TS% (TS+ of 96), and a 1.4 BPM to Donte’s 3.3.
When that happens, our only consolation will be that Donte is paid about 40% less and isn’t regarded as an asshole by multiple former teammates and coaches.
Guys, sorry I interrupted Donte-blogger with an irrelevant post about the Knicks chasing the 3 or 4 seed. Please carry on….
I love the JD Martinez signing for the Mets. I know that a DH is not a big needle mover, but the Mets had a gigantic hole there and JD was great last year. One year, $12M is a no-risk proposition.
This probably adds a couple of wins if JD hits close to what he did last year. The Mets aren’t great but they’re a fringe wild card contender so they’re at the breaking point where marginal wins matter. They should at least be watchable this year.
The 3 that Porter made (while Denver was reeling) that was reminiscent of the Kawahi shot that iced Philly a few years back in the playoffs and Jokic’s prayer from behind the backboard that re-directed slightly off the glass were, “fortutious”.
I more than welcome an intelligent counter argument. I am aware that I have been in emotion mind discussing Donte most of the season. I am the rare poster who sees Donte, not OG, as the player who replaced RJ Barrett in the offense (OG took the role of Grimes), and so some of the elation y’all give to OG for me has landed on Donte. I do realize I am probably setting myself up for a letdown, but the readily available statistics I have seem to really support this leap. I am more than happy, though, to experience my letdown now if you have reason to believe I’m getting carried away.
DJM 4/116
DDV 3/35
That’s the contract situation of both players going forward.
He is a professional hitter who still hits for average and drives the ball. Even in a declining year his ops was .893. His strikeout rate is up and his walks are down, though.
The reason I joined this board was to have discussions with reasonably knowledgeable folks. When I said besides Brunson and Randle before the trade where wasn’t another top 100 player on the Knicks, Hubert has brought it to my attention that I am probably wrong as to DDV. That’s OK. That doesn’t make him a scum sucking pig because he disagrees with my position. I still don’t make him a top 40 player for reasons discussed ad nauseum.
As to OG he replaced Barrett’s position, but not his role in the offense. OG is one of those rare players whose contribution to winning goes far beyond his metrics. He is a superlative on the ball defender as well as a superlative team defender. On offense he makes everyone (and this team in particular) better, because he doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. His outstanding corner 3 ball shooting is valuable in and of itself, and it has the bonus of opening up the floor for his more ball dominant driving team mates. A super great long term piece.
Plus, you didn’t have to sacrifice 4 first round picks for the pleasure of paying that wad of money.
I just logged in to say that the Dodgers signing Ohtani to the biggest free agent deal in mankind only for him to get wrapped up in a massive betting scandal is super saiyan-level #lolknicks. Maybe worse.
Although I respect the Dodgers… you all know who I work with, and what I must do…
I don’t see much evidence that he had that impact in Toronto. An eminently decent nucleus of him, Siakam, Van Vleet, and Barnes didn’t really win there — which is why said nucleus is no more.
And logically, if we’re going to start identifying players who “contribute far beyond their metrics,” that means pretty much disposing of the metrics altogether for everyone. There’s not some super-special “OG Anunoby exception.”
I find it hard to believe someone completely new randomly joins this board in 2024 and starts fighting with regulars every day. Like every other “long time lurker” who suddenly started posting 15x day, you are most likely an old poster with a new name.
You’ve expressed the belief that Bojan & Burks performing better in DET than here is a product of Thibs’ poor “man-management.”
Perhaps the explanation for OG’s outsized impact here is that he has been excellently used and managed by Thibs when healthy enough to play?
Or is it more of an “heads E wins, tails Thibs loses” kind of analysis?
“And logically, if we’re going to start identifying players who “contribute far beyond their metrics,” that means pretty much disposing of the metrics altogether for everyone. There’s not some super-special “OG Anunoby exception.””
Translation: I am heavily invested in the anti-Thibs/anti-Leon narrative, so anything that makes the trade for OG look like a significant overpay is useful, and anything that does not is useless.
OG grades out well in a bunch of metrics and Seth Partnow put him in his Tier 4A. Anyone who knows ball knows he’s a good player. There’s no point in discussing it.
It might be the case the Bojan had become comfortable with 2 years of low-stakes basketball and did not dedicate himself to conditioning the way an almost 35yo needs to in order to compete in a situation where every possession actually matters and in a system that prioritizes defense. Or maybe he’s just 35 years old and has reached his expiration date.
Whatever the case, it is still too early to definitively judge whether he will become more useful when the cavalry arrives. But it is not looking good right now. He’s playing like a rookie scrub.
Who have I started fights with? You? It is not allowed to disagree with you on substance? That is the definition of a fight?
I didn’t start a “fight” with the board’s resident troll today, I just made a pithy comment to tweak him a bit. He didn’t seem to mind, but this Hubert fellow reacted with the highest of high dudgeon.
Imagine that!
EPM and DARKO are both metrics and both hold OG in high regard
What is OG’s moxie metric, though. That’s what we really need to figure out.
You’re doing just fine, BPL. Keep on keepin’ on!
EPM and Hartenstein,
Why does defensive EPM love iHart so much. He can’t be the best defender in world?
Sadly, my alma mater is getting its ass kicked by Baylor.
Sadly iHart has plummeted to second in the league in def EPM behind Isaacs
Well, maybe not…
I don’t know but I watched the Denver broadcast last night. I guess iHart played there as a rookie? The commentators were both commenting on how he was always solid but was now so much better than when he was with Denver. One of the dudes even said “can you imagine if he was backing up Jokic?”
I think we maybe forget that he’s ONLY 25. So we signed him when he was 23. So we’ve been lucky to hit his big leap curve like this.
Interesting POV.
This season in the games OG played for Toronto they were 12 – 15. In the games he didn’t play, Toronto was 11 – 31
This season the games OG played for the Knicks, they are 15 – 2. In games he didn’t they are 26 – 26
Correct — which means I’m right and BPL, who asserted that OG impacts winning “far beyond his metrics,” is incorrect.
OG impacts winning roughly in line with his Tier placement and metrics. He’s not some super-special “throw out the metrics” guy and, repeating, if he is then anyone potentially is.
Isaacs is a stone beast on D and his 3 ball is trending up. After missing 10 straight early in the season he seems to be playing around 85% of his games with minutes in the teens. He would make such a great back up for Randle.
Only was able to check out this site late into last night’s game so I too wanted to send my condolences to Doogie. I lost my mom to cervical cancer a couple of years ago so I know how much it sucks to lose your parents even as we become older adults ourselves.
OG, Mitch and Randle already ruled out for tomorrow. Let’s just take care of business vs the Nets and hope for some of the calvary to return next week.
Noteworthy that you took great exception to the word “fighting” but even with your notably thin skin you had no issue being called a liar who has been here before and is posting under a different name.
I would think that a player who has a lot of value as a primary defender would be the type of player that might be underrated by all-in-one boxscore metrics. In fact that’s the type of player you’d expect to be MOST underrated by boxscore metrics.
There are definitely limitations to metrics like BPM and EPM or whatever is your AIO metric of choice. We’re not at “Fangraphs in 2024” level of statistical granularity when it comes to basketball, we’re more at like “Bill James/SABR circa 1990” levels. That’s not to say that the metrics are useless, just to say that they’re more of a shorthand. The good players tend to do pretty well, the bad ones don’t. There are some occasional outliers and there are some players whose value doesn’t get captured all that well.
Your opinion is duly noted, just as your opinion that “THIBS IS AN IDIOT FOR NOT PLAYING BOGEY MORE!!!”
I believe that OG’s contribution to winning exceeds his BPM, WS48, Wins Produced, EPM and other all in one metrics.
IMO they don’t fully capture the value of his defense, ability to switch multiple positions, guard the best player almost every night no matter the position, ability to space the floor and make things easier for other players to get to the basket and other subtle things.
I know the case against on/off.
There are all sort of issues with it, especially over shorter periods of time and especially if you start considering lineup issues.
But imo if you look at it over longer periods of time covering multiple teams, multiple lineups, multiple coaches, it’s a pretty good signal for value that exceeds or doesn’t match the boxscore metrics, especially for a profile like OG where you sort of know he does some things that aren’t captured well. IMO it helps even if you can’t put an exact value on it.
Yeah, OG has (for example) graded out pretty poorly in BPM. If you think he’s a good player, that’s a metric that is not capturing his value well.
The Knicks have outplayed my expectations this year by quite a bit, especially given the injuries. To be honest, I don’t even fully understand why other than the obvious Brunson play and my undying love of OG over RJ. Now I just want to get healthy and see what we’ve got here.
Some here will obviously disagree but probably the biggest reason why the Knicks are playing as well as they have even with the injuries is Thibs.
the biggest reason is Jalen Brunson being amazing, but Thibs (and the FO) certainly deserve some credit too
OG is tied for 12th in defensive EPM this year. So I’m not sure there’s much room for the system to miss anything defensively.
You can’t lump it in with stats that just shrug when it comes to defensive valuation.
I’d rank it:
1. Players able to generate high usage but without high level efficiency
2. Good/great defenders who don’t get a lot of stocks.
I don’t even know how many stocks OG gets; I don’t care and it’s obvious he’s an excellent defender even if he never got one so it’s possible that in the right situation he can contribute beyond his “BPM.” But, IMO, he contributes essentially in line with his Tier 4A ranking and for much the same reason as The Athletic discussed:
There’s really no “missing value” there. He is what he objectively appears to be to people who pay attention and know the sport.
BBA, if you’re thinking I’m one of the obvious disagreers, I’m not. In fact, I generally agree.
Randle, Brunson, I-Hart, J-Hart, DiVo, Precious, and probably others, too, are overachieving or even having career years under Thibs and his coaching staff. You have to give credit where credit is due. This roster is overachieving under Thibs, and it is not the first time and not the first year this happens under Thibs. This is why people react when they see is all the immature whining on this board, particularly after bad games and losses. At the same time, the coaches don’t play; the players do! Without good players there can’t be a good team. We saw lineups in midst of the injury plague in February and early March that were simply not competitive, no matter how hard they were trying, and no matter how well coached they might have been by Thibs or anyone else.
EPM may be better than some.
I’ll ask this.
Is there a difference between a guy that defends his own position well and one that can switch 4 and sometimes even 5 positions? ‘
Is there a difference between a guy that can defend an elite player at his own position and one that can guard Shai one game, Booker the next game, Tatum the next game and Giannis the next game and do a better job than most with those guys?
I don’t think that stuff is captured well. The model doesn’t know the range of your defensive abilities.
They don’t hand out their exact formula but they use player tracking data and this falls under player tracking data.
It’s nice that the Knicks have a cupcake schedule for the next 4 games (though Wemby is already scary). I hope Mitch and OG can come back towards the end of these games, because they are followed by the toughest remaining schedule (OKC, Heat, Kings, Bucks, Celtics, with two Bulls games sprinkled in – and without OG I’m not sure the Knicks have anyone to guard DeRozan).
EPM ranks OG much higher than the other metrics. He’s a 91st percentile player in EPM, and ranks 42nd in overall EPM.
Incidentally, EPM ranks Isaiah Hartenstein as a top 20 player in the NBA.
OG was a top 50ish player in the two other public metrics I looked at, DARKO and the public version of Raptor
It would be nice if the Bulls can fall squarely out of the play in before we play them at the end of the season so they will be compelled to sit all their best players.
Thank you, BBA.
They are pretty much a lock for the 9-10 game, and might be fighting to host it in Chicago, so the games will likely matter to them.
Wow Florida and Colorado final score 102-100 in regulation
Don’t think I’ve ever seen 2 college teams both score over 100 before
That Colorado senior Tristan da Silva strikes me as someone who could be a really nice fit here next year. 6’8” shooter, rebounder, good defender, glue guy for second unit. Seen him projected as high as 11th and as low as 38th so who knows. But after the success of Jacquez Jr, players like him might be fashionable.