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He’s had players. That’s why his regular season winning percentage is .572.
E this truly is an unfair criticism. Did he do a bad job in the Heat series? I think so. Did he do a great job in the Cleveland series? I also think so.
He’s the kind of coach who throws rock every time. He’ll beat scissors. He’ll lose to paper.
It’s actually a fairly useful trait when you have the better team. And it’s incredibly aggravating when you don’t.
Pat Riley didn’t manage to win in NY, but i don’t think being 1 game up in the Finals with 2 games left, lost by a total of 8 points (aggregate of the last 2 games), is far from winning. So i think we shouldn’t talk about his “failures” in the same sentence as Larry Brown’s and others that were a total failure.
JVG’s playoff record with the Knicks was “only” 37-32…
Given the limitations and natural excesses of the internet (*), I can certainly see why it comes off as unfair.
This basically is the criticism, perfectly distilled. It needs a dash of “and his insistence about player types and roster construction makes it virtually possible to build a team that can play scissors when necessary” for sublime perfection.
I’ll move on.
(*) Among other things, no time limitations, treasure trove of data available to deploy in seconds, no human contact, the general inherent annoyance of the written word with no other social cues to help decipher, no “let’s break for commercial, we’ll be right back,” no “hey man, that redhead in the corner has been looking at you the last five minutes,” no “thanks for hosting, geo, great wine — can I get you a refill?” Etc., etc.
He’s not completely wrong about his types, though.
It’s really annoying that he won’t play Bojan at a time we have no other options. But he’s absolutely correct that Bojan is not the right type of player.
That should not have mattered playing the Maxey-less Sixers who had no one capable of exploiting him. But if he doesn’t want to play Bojan against the Celtics in the spring bc there’s nowhere to hide him against Tatum or Brown, I’m probably going to support that decision even if it means watching Josh Hart refuse to shoot again.
Philly outscored the Knicks by like 12 points during the 20 minutes Bojan was on the court, I don’t understand why it’s so glaringly obvious that Bojan should have played 30 minutes.
In the Pistons big win vs Charlotte last night Grimes and Fournier shot a combined 2 for 12 including 1 for 10 from 3pt range.
Guys OG might play tonight! Let’s talk about that!!!!
per the NBA tracking thing, we attempted 21 open 3 point shots against Philadelphia. We made 4. We attempted 12 wide open 3 point shots, and we made 3. Some of those are shots from suboptimal shooters, like Josh and big sneeze, but it’s perfetly reasonable to expect the team we had on the court to make more of those shots and win the game.
A lot of us don’t find raw +/- numbers that lack context to be very compelling.
He usually plays without Brunson, Donte, and Hartenstein, for instance. There’s a natural dropoff to be expected when you go from those three to Deuce, Burks, & Sims.
When you guys attribute that dropoff to Bojan, it’s reasonably met with skepticism.
“per the NBA tracking thing, we attempted 21 open 3 point shots against Philadelphia. We made 4. We attempted 12 wide open 3 point shots, and we made 3. Some of those are shots from suboptimal shooters, like Josh and big sneeze, but it’s perfetly reasonable to expect the team we had on the court to make more of those shots and win the game.”
Who is “big sneeze”? I’m not nitpicking; I’m truly asking. That’s a new one for me.
OG coming back tonight is very good timing to ease back in for the play-offs/in. If Julius comes back it needs to happen no later than about 3 weeks. If any longer it paradoxically will feel like he is rushing back with all that entails. Happy to wait for the last minute on Mitch as an early return risks him injuring a completely new body part.
Yes, let’s continue to discuss ad nauseum the criminal misuse of Bojan Bogdanovich by Mr. Stubborn Tom Thibodeau.
And then we can move on to the incinerated draft pick )-:
All I’ve gotta say is thank god for the NFL so I don’t have to think about Thibs’ minutes distribution for a few hours.
Instead, I can dream about all the fun I’ll have watching Tyrrod Taylor stink for a whole season once Rodger’s goes down again.
Achiuwa sounds like achoo-sneeze.
They aren’t, but neither is insisting playing Bojan more would have won the game. We smothered Philly and generated enough open shots that we should have won the game, but we didn’t. Maybe some things would have gone differently if we played Bojan more but maybe not, we can’t know that.
Thanks much, DRed.
I guess this means the Giants are fully invested in the chicken cutlets guy as their backup qb.
I like everything they’ve done around the QB position but it sure seems like that’s gonna be a problem.
No one did, though.
Your assessment that we generated enough open shots to win the game with who we played is correct.
But as Noble said yesterday, just because it isn’t the sole reason we lost doesn’t mean we can’t point to it as something the coach could have done better.
Tonight I’d like to see OG at the 3 and Bojan at the 4. That would not be a great defensive lineup, but probably good enough. And it should be excellent on offense.
Still have a bench problem, but maybe more balanced and could stay net neutral.
So if OG returns tonight who does Thibs remove from the starting lineup, Hart or Precious?
Thibs had been playing OG as a 3, which would suggest Josh, but if you’re trying to play as many of your good players together at the same time it’s probably Precious.
Bojan’s on/off was mildly negative in Utah in the 20/21 season at age 31. It was mildly worse the next year at age 32. It was flat in Detroit for one year and then deteriorated badly this year in Detroit before being a horror show in NY so far at age 34. There’s a lot of noise in on/off even for a year. I certainly don’t trust his limited minutes in NY so far. But imo the longer the period and the more you look at the details the better it tells the tale not captured by just the boxscore. He’s been negative overall for 4 years and much of his career. A player can contribute positively for awhile while in his prime and then drop off badly in his 30s. I see that pattern all the time. IMO, Bojan is not a good basketball player at this time even though he can still shoot.
Bojan’s minutes is a flea on an elephant in term of why we are struggling.
We are struggling because of injuries, because the OG trade left us without backup PG and scorer off the bench, and because the Bojan/Burks trade did not address the fundamental problem correctly and was a small net negative.
There’s just no way to spin the Burks/Bogey trade as anything but a disaster. If Bogey wasn’t going to get serious run in that game he’s never going to get serious run. Within weeks both of the guys we have acquired seem to be unplayable.
That’s not a great sign for the synergy of the front office and the coach. To me that’s the issue more so than “we would have won if we played Bogey.” The problem is that we’re NOT going to play Bogey, and that Burks seems to be completely shot.
Not a good look overall.
What JK47 said makes me sad, because I know that it’s true. We shouldn’t have let that spate of injuries, which as killer as it has been is still quite finite, push us into making a bad trade for the longer term and which of course cannot be reversed. We succumbed to being “prisoners of the (injury) moment,” and our front office should have known better than to turn a short-term problem into a longer-term one.
Possibly. Or Rose was looking towards the off season with their contracts for trades.
We are struggling because of injuries, because the OG trade left us without backup PG and scorer off the bench, and because the Bojan/Burks trade did not address the fundamental problem correctly and was a small net negative.
Agree with the first 6 words. Not saying the rest is wrong but we are not struggling because of that.
Sure. But the point is that Riley didn’t go 2-18 in game 7. His player did. And that’s the foolishness of all this “Thibs can’t win in the playoffs” banter. You can do everything right as a coach and still lose, and the folks at home will point to all the things that could have been different. Hell, we even did it to Riley, saying he should have played Rolando Blackman instead of Starks then. It’s low-hanging criticism that I thought the smarter contributors on this board didn’t need to really engage in.
Another Day of the Trolls here. Skipping most of the posts.
Bojan played 30 minutes 2 games ago. He’s averaged 24 minutes. What are we talking about?
We succumbed to being “prisoners of the (injury) moment,” and our front office should have known better than to turn a short-term problem into a longer-term one.
Completely disagree. And I am not defending the trade. But we had a short term problem with the Fournier contract that we fixed by acquiring a matching salary in Bogey. We had a player who is was in danger of losing his rotation spot as a SG and replaced him with a player that should have been a rotation level back up PG–nothing to do with injuries but rather roster construction post OG/IQ&RJ trade. The problem is that the valuation of Burks seems to be way, way off.
If we’re a completely healthy team, what do you think the minutes allocation for Bogey and Burks would be? 15-20 for Bogey, 10-15 for Burks (or maybe even less for Burks now that Deuce is playing well?)
That was the plan in acquiring these guys, they’ve been forced into larger roles because 3/5 of our starting lineup is out. Can we stop with the “this trade is a disaster” takes until this team is fully healthy and we see how it plays out?
Yeah, I think “disaster” is a little over the top, but I don’t think it was a good trade per se.
Odds are against Grimes becoming much of a player in the long run, even though he has only really “slumped” for a little more than half a season. But it’s interesting how, aside from RJ, Rose has shown that he simply will not extend middling young players on a 2nd contract, particularly lower-usage guys… and shit, maybe he’s right for thinking that way??
It sucks because guys like Grimes and Obi become fan favorites, but the truth is their production is easily replaceable (they didn’t replace Quickley’s scoring, but it was definitely doable through a guy like Brogdon if they had wanted to.)
So in Rose’s eyes, replacing one useless expiring guy and one fringe rotation guy with a guy who is expiring the next year and might be useful over the next two playoff runs (and would be useful in a star trade) seemed like a good deal.
Plus, Borkes.
Right or wrong, it’s definitely a move that fits the Brunson/Randle timeline. I don’t think I would’ve done it, but worse deals have been made.
This is such pollyanna shit. It’s not Thibs’ fault, these guys aren’t playable. It isn’t Rose’s fault, because reasons. Well, it’s somebody’s fucking fault. This trade looks like dog shit.
Pick your poison. We gave up an asset apparently for no reason. Decide whose fault that is.
I’ll never get the Blackman should’ve been put in for Starks in Game 7 argument. That entire postseason Blackman played a total of 34 mins including 0 in the NBA Finals and 4 mins vs Indiana in the Conference Finals. He was totally washed up by that point.
You can argue Hubert Davis could’ve played more for Starks but he was having an awful series while Starks after a horrible Game 1 was having a very good series including scoring 16 pts in the 4th quarter of Game 6 that almost won the series.
As time goes by I’m not sure how much of an asset Grimes is going to turn out to have been.
Maybe it’s not going to work out, but why we traded for guys we thought could shoot is not really a mystery.
Agree with what you said, BernieErnie, about the good reasons for shipping off Grimes and Fournier. That part was fine. The part that sucks is that we got the wrong players in return.
Grimes and Fournier have been about as bad for the Pistons as Bogey and Burks have been for us, so it kind of evens out that way. But we shouldn’t care about the result for Detroit. We should only care that we should have tried to get better players in return, and if we couldn’t we should have just stoood pat for now (and played Fournier in the right circumstances!), and then dealt with Grimes and Fournier in the off-season.
I thought Blackman should have been playing throughout those playoffs.
That’s an organization/process question. The answer is that there wasn’t sufficient synergy between front office and coach on the trade deadline strategy.(*) While it must frequently suck to have such a difficult employee around, it’s ultimately Leon’s job to manage that problem — and so it’s ultimately Leon’s responsibility.
The problem employee’s previous two managerial teams have decided to manage the problem by getting rid of the problem employee. We don’t know whether that was the right step or simply the easiest, and we don’t know the answer to that question here, either. There very well could be intermediate ways to manage the issue that Leon could have and should have employed.
(*) Which is why at least two of us explicitly said, within hours of the trade being made, that Thibs got his guy in Neuman, and the FO got their guy in Bogey. Putting aside the basketball part, which also doesn’t look good, that’s not how the process is supposed to work. Given the overpay in the OG trade and the roster holes it left, they really needed to have a better deadline.
Blackman that entire season was pretty much washed up. Hubert Davis emerged as the backup to Starks and started for him after he got hurt. Davis had a pretty good season, much better than Blackman. Hubert Davis would’ve been much more appreciated in today’s NBA, he was a legit great shooter.
LOL, Chicago fired Thibs because he was too good to tank.
He isn’t a problem employee. You act like he’s been written up or something and is on his third warning with HR.
Rolando could still shoot but his legs were gone from what I dimly remember
Name me a coach in the NBA besides Pops, Kerr and Phil who hasn’t been fired from their job at some point. It’s literally part of the job.
Thibs being fired from Chicago means nothing. He coached them to a prolonged period of their most success since Jordan. He got fired because he would never babysit a tanking team and any team with thibs will never be bad enough to get a high lottery pick. Chicago hasn’t done jack shit since they let go of Thibs and I know Bulls fans to this day who say it was one of the biggest mistakes their franchise has made.
I don’t have a Cleaning the Glass account, but Fred Katz noted in his podcast that the JB-DDV-Hart-Achiuwa-I-Hart line-up has a +6 net rating (something like 119 ORTG and 113 DRTG) in about 300 possessions. It looks ugly as a lineup, but it has worked so far.
Re. Bojan, he is shooting quite a bit worse with the Knicks than he was with Detroit. And even beyond his defense, his passing been pretty bad (his assist rate is half of what it was), he is not getting to the line as much, and he often feels out of control? And that’s with him playing mostly against backups. I am all for playing him more minutes, but I think we are kidding ourselves to think he will significantly improve the team’s record.
We’ll always have Bojan’s 2nd quarter at Philly…
I wonder if OG plays tonight he’s still listed as questionable.
The way the Giant’s big contracts ( Burns, Lawrence, Thomas) play out over time, it’s easy to infer that they intend to draft a QB this year ( Nix, McCarthy) or next so they have a starter on a rookie contract and part ways with Daniel Dimes.
For what it’s worth, various sources that I use for daily fantasy basketball seem to think that OG is “likely” to play.
Right. The point is, Riley is a highly respected basketball mind who has won multiple championships, both before and after, and yet here we are 30 years later, still talking about what he could have/should have done differently, even though the logic suggests that NBA coaches just don’t impact a game that much. These games are decided more by random variables like ball rotations/sec, minute changes in velocity, sweat on the court, distractions in the audience, and what a player had for breakfast that morning.
We simply have to stop the raw on/off nonsense. We have known forever it is noisy to the point of uselessness if looked at in isolation. I mean, do we think Brunson made the Knicks a worse team last year?
Let’s look at Bogey’s last two years with the Jazz specifically:
Bogey on, Mitchell on, Gobert on: +10 net rating
Bogey on, Mitchell on, Gobert off: +3.4 net rating
Bogey on, Mitchell off, Gobert on: +15.8 net rating
Bogey on, Mitchell off, Gobert off: -1.94 net rating
Huh, well will you look at that? His raw on/off swung wildly depending on the rest of the lineup.
Lineup data has its utility, but “X player has Y raw on/off, so he’s good/bad” is the laziest most useless “analysis” this side of doing the same thing with PPG.
Definitely. Maybe even stood pat. 😉
Agree 100%. Sorry, i have fond memories of 1994 and every time i see what i think is some criticism to that season i feel compelled to answer. LOL
That’s the second typographical error I’ve made just this week, ess-dog. I’m having a rough week. Thanks for pointing it out.
Weird to be arguing against the “this trade is dogshit” crew since I was the first vocal objector to it (not as negative as Ben, but not happy). Thing is, I said at the time that part of the reason for it was to exchange Fournier’s contract for Bojan’s, and if we use Bojan’s contract in a trade for a legit star, that can justify the move. Yes we could have picked up Fournier’s option, but that would have been a dick move after burying him on the bench for two years. You can argue that it doesn’t matter, players don’t care so long as they’re getting paid, but I disagree. Rose has made the Knicks a compelling destination again, and it’s partly how he’s treated players (and their agents).
So as a basketball move, it seems probable it was bad, even if Grimes doesn’t break out. As a cap/trade-juggling move, it could still work out.
If we end up with Bridges or Booker for Bojan and a ton of picks, no one will be missing Grimes or lamenting the trade.
I get that rama, and have thought the same, but at that point you’re burning an actual asset so as not to hurt Evan Fournier’s feelings by picking up his $19M option for next year and then presumably trading him.
Honestly, I don’t know how much of a dick move that would actually be. Fournier will be 32 next year and is probably not going to be earning $19M in the remainder of his career. A rotation player who was a first round pick a couple of years ago seems like a steep price to pay to avoid bad Evan Fournier vibes.
Agree, rama, but if Bogey keeps playing at this level he’s killing his trade value with each game that he plays in, whether due to Thibs’ rotations or not.
Bogey had a nick that kept him out of a couple games in early January, then in nine games right before the trade, he averaged 21.2 ppg in 31.1 mpg. FG total of .470, .433 from downtown on 7.4 3FGA/game.
His trade value doesn’t matter. He’s just a contract.
Yeah, I think the upgrade in potential future trade flexibility is marginal and if the DET trade has to be justified on those grounds, the trade sucked.
It’s true that another team would prefer Bogey to Fournier, but the quality of the player we use to match salaries is unlikely to be a swing factor in such a trade.
The best rationale for the trade was that Bogey is a legitimately very good scorer who can play both forward positions for long stretches off the bench, or in the starting lineup when we’re dealing with injuries. I believed that, which is why I was pro-trade.
Other people like Ben and Rama took the perfectly valid position that Bogey is not that guy anymore. I disagreed with them but thought it was a close call.
What makes no sense are people who were pro-trade, but are now saying Bogey is an 18-minute player even when we’re decimated by injuries to our front court. That is totally incoherent. If that’s what he is, the trade was terrible.
Yeah, that’s partly why I didn’t like the trade at the time. But it’s not about bad Fournier vibes, it’s about sending a message to other agents and players that you’ll bury someone forever and kill their career if their contacts are useful. However much money is at stake, there’s ego, too. You know that from the music thing – the payday isn’t everything later in your career if you’re being treated really poorly. Ultimately you want to play… especially if you’ve made good dough already.
Well, here’s a couple of reasons not to have so much skepticism:
1… For his entire 20,000 minute career his DBPM is -1.5 and his BPM is -0.5 Well maybe he just played on shitty teams?
2… Arguably the best season of his career with the 20-21 Utah Jazz who were 52-20 and he was 3rd in minutes at 31/pg he was somehow DBPM -0.7 and BPM -0.4 Maybe….. just maybe…… it is him….
Yeah, if the Pistons let go of Fournier in the summer, moneywise he’ll be even worse than if he had stayed with the Knicks and Leon picked up his option.
It never once occurred to me that Pat Riley might have mismanaged game 7.
It occurred to me many times, though, that John Starks should have passed more that night.
It’s true that another team would prefer Bogey to Fournier, but the quality of the player we use to match salaries is unlikely to be a swing factor in such a trade.
But that’s the key. I believe Leon was not going to extend Fourier because he thought it would be wrong. So I look at the whole trade with that bias.
I think you (and Leon) may be right. Second contracts are usually bad value and I think Leon’s been wise to avoid them.
Only issue with Grimes is we had one more cheap year of him, and he had some positive trade value. If Burks walks and Bojan just takes Evan’s place in the doghouse, then dare I say it, we will have ________ Grimes.
my peter has symbiote powers now…it is sooooo amazing…
finally got to the quest where the symbiote merges…the new skill line is crazy, which is good because without the op skills/gadgets this would be an incredibly painful button masher…
been a console player since the start, I know sore thumbs…
level 50 now, still got a bunch of the story to go though…
been decades it feels since I “completed” (story and achievements) a game, spiderman 2 could be the next though…
What the heck are you talking about, and what does it have to do with your dick? :-O
I’m sure everyone’s +/- vacillates with the players they play with, but this does justify Rose’s reasoning to make the trade.
He feels Bogey can be useful as a backup if there are defensive presences around him Mitch/I Hart and OG and a slightly above average defender at the 2 (DDV or J Hart) along with Brunson.)
Hey JK, someone posted a music from Kim Gordon on my local team forum, saying “Kim Gordon is the coolest person ever. Period.”. So i explained what you told us, and now on that forum i’m the “you can be cool, but you’re not friends with a musician that co-wrote a song with Kim Gordon cool”… it’s a long title, but it’s totally worth it! 😉 😀
Btw, what was the song you co-wrote with Kim? The song the guy shared is “BYE BYE”.
But Rama, that’s exactly what we did. We already sent that message loud and clear.
I doubt it matters. And I think Fournier would have appreciated $19MM next year.
At the end of the day, though, it’s all moot bc the permabenching of Fournier has proven to be a completely uncalled for error of Thibs’ judgment. Evan wasn’t Kemba. He’s not good, but neither is this version of Alec Burks. If he can play 12 minutes in a pinch, so could Evan. Thibs was just being a dick.
hi milo, I hope you are well…thanks for the Sean Carroll note…
that dude is an 👽…200%
to be able to make the beyond belief, barely comprehensible nature of reality stuff understandable to normal folks…
wow…he’s like a really smart Carl Sagan…who somehow is just as calm…
ha, I thought conservation was gonna be about: conservation 😊
I struggled with mathematics, engineering, physics, statistics in school…afterwards ballistics totally went beyond my means at the time…
who knows, if this kind of stuff was out there at that time, I’d have still had trouble probably…
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BPM is just not going to be very useful for a player like Bogey who mostly plays off the ball and accumulates most of his box score stats via scoring.
His EPM has been positive for 5 consecutive years prior to this one, including multiple top-50 finishes in offensive EPM (39th in the ancient days of 2023).
Anyway, looking forward to having OG back. Having another guy who can do something with the ball should help offensively, not to mention his defense. Still think we should be starting him and Bogey at the forward slots, but my guess is it’ll be him and Hart or Precious.
He’s played 18 or fewer minutes 4 times as a Knick. He played 30 minutes against Cleveland and Atlanta last week.
The song I co-wrote is the last song on the record, “Dream Dollar.” I created the main loop of the song, the Suicide-style drum machine thing and the floppy bass thing, which was played on a Fender Bass VI. I think some of the feedback squall in there is me as well, mixed in with Kim’s guitars.
I only worked on the one tune, but the rest of the record was done by the production team I work with all the time, so it’s really cool to see the record get so much great press. It got Pitchfork Best New Music, which is still a big deal, and got positive writeups in the New York TImes, Washington Post, etc. It has an 84 on Metacritic, a solid score.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKo0ilO01YQ
The one guy currently playing who should really get no minutes at all is Sims (if we’re assuming Burks remembers how to shoot at some point), so it would be nice if Thibs replaces Sims with Achiuwa and lets OG and Bojan play 4. But on the other hand he’s playing Josh sicko minutes
I’m assuming Precious will still start at the 4 and Hart will move back to the bench. If OG plays like 26 minutes a night though, that should mean cutting back on minutes for Hart and Precious the most and might open up minutes for Bogey since OG can play with him and the defense will still be passable. And maybe Precious can do more small ball 5 stuff and less Sims.
Getting OG back is huge. Shooting, defense but also his versatility as a 2, 3 or 4 allows Thibs to plug a lot of holes. Just hope he doesn’t ride him like Secretariat, lol.
I think you’re right, Bo. But I hope it’s with a 2nd round pick. I really don’t like the Michigan or Washington QBs in the first round.
The other possibility is that they built a good foundation this year but they could be like the Jets next year if Jones gets hurt and/or stinks.
The dilemma for the Giants is they probably can’t tank but if they want McCarthy or probably even Nix they have to pick them in the first round. Ideally you’d find someone to trade down with but that’s tricky
Too tricky, I think. They should just take their favorite stud WR and call it a day. Cutlets performed well enough to make me think we could do a decent job grooming a 2nd or 3rd round QB.
Bogey is mostly useless at this point but he is better than Sims and should be playing lots of minutes while we are short handed.
The trade was a disaster but at this point it is what it is. We need to simply play the two poor players we got or find better ones on the waiver wire until we are healthy.
We cannot keep putting out double center lineups, Precious is a center, especially with an inconsistent shooter at the 3.
Still not sure why we bothered with Shake if we are not going to play him, either. He is a more-than-cromulent player, too…….possibly even moreso than Fournier was. We’ll never know if we never put him out there.
All evidence is in your favor right now. However, IMO, Bogey only needs to have 2-3 important playoff games to justify the cost we paid.
Also true.
Given how bad these metrics take defense into account, you should also take them with a pinch of salt.
And I really don’t understand that discourse about playing off the ball. There are plenty of players that play off the ball and get rebounds, and steals, and blocks, and don’t turn the ball over as much as Bojan. Surely you won’t get many assists if you play off the ball, but that is only one stat of the box score.
I think we’re collectively overreacting here. There’s a couple things that I think are true simultaneously:
First, Bogey and Burks have been awful since the trade. The players we traded for are not the players we received. The causes of their underwhelming performances are currently unknown and we don’t have enough data to rule out simple variance. Indeed, I think the best explanation is simple variance, plus whatever adjustments come with moving, fitting in with a new team, etc. What is surely true is that if this is what we’re going to get, the trade was a whiff, though not a huge one, since Grimes is actually not good (remember this, please!)
Second, Thibs is an inherently conservative, don’t rock the boat type of guy. It takes him a *while* to fully warm up to a new way of doing things. He’s rightly criticized for playing too many Sims minutes (even with the injuries, it’s too much–he’s downright unplayable in my eyes) and probably should have played Bogey for more minutes (though see 1.) This does *not* mean that Thibs “refuses” to play Bogey or Burks. He’s repeatedly shown that he’s willing to adjust–but slowly and on his terms. That’s going to result in some really infuriating scenarios like the Sixers game, where it looks like we could’ve squeezed out a win if Thibs’ deviated from his plan.
Third, and finally: it is still impossible to judge this trade until we have more data on Bogey and Burks and we’re at mostly-full health. That’s still a ways away, so all this hand-wringing looks to me like good old Knicks PTSD (which is not to imply that all of it is unfounded). In my view, we shouldn’t be burning Leon/Thibs at the stake just yet.
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Co-sign everything Alecto said. At the end of the day when it comes to both Bogey and Burks we’re firing off takes about downright negligible minute totals. We really need at least the remainder of the season as well as the playoffs to say anything close to definitive about the trade, as well as Thibs’ usage of the guys we got.
But Bogey should’ve gotten more than 18 minutes on Sunday and that’s factorial.
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Bojan on the Knicks is pretty much playing like Bojan on the Pistons. Burks has seemingly completely lost the ability to shoot from everywhere on the court, including from the FT line.
OG is back tonight, according to Begley.
Who do we think will start? I assume he will replace Hart in the starting lineup, but that eventually OG and Hart will close together with Precious on the bench.
shake made it a point to say in his incoming interview that he understood there would be no promises for play…
likely that point was made to him, who knows, maybe thibs is driving the point home to him…
hopefully before too long though we can see him out on the court with the team…
Over/under on OG’s minutes tonight is set at 43.
Presumably he will be on a minutes restriction along with Jalen and iHart again.
Of course a Thibs lineup with three starters restricted by medical is also known as a standard NBA regular season rotation.
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“But Bogey should’ve gotten more than 18 minutes on Sunday and that’s factorial.”
It would be nice if folks did not try to pawn off their highly dubious opinions as facts. It would be a lot more civil around here if folks just said things like “In my opinion, the coach should have played Bogey more, given the shitty options he had, even though it almost certainly had no better probability of resulting in a win than what the coach tried.”
In my opinion, there won’t be much of a minutes restriction on OG. It wasn’t that kind of injury. (Unless they were lying and there are soft tissue issues beyond a bone chip removal.)
I agree that Thibs makes changes slowly. This is good for two reasons. One, players don’t feel they are being jerked around. If they lose minutes it’s because of sustained bad performance or someone else’s sustained good performance, not just because of an off night. Two, sometime it takes time to integrate players. For Shake, for example, I’m sure he’ll do better after he has some practices with his new teammates under his belt.