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Will Shake be here in time for Thibs to play him 47 minutes and 10 seconds today?
Shake Milton over frontcourt help though?
Wait…wut?
I know Burks is not playing good right now..but we don’t need another guard. Burks will settle in and play better in his role once he figures it out. I think Burks’ performance in his last Knicks stint has everyone- including Burks- setting the expectations too high. He needs to be a different player this time around. Most of the scoring on that bench unit belongs to Bogdanovic, and Hart and Burks need to fill in the gaps to make it go. Being the methodical player that he is, I kind of expect his impact to come along a little more slowly- especially since he will be trying to figure out how to get other guys shots more often than not. He’ll figure it out and be an asset come playoff time.
Shake had some moments with the Sixers. I wonder if he’ll play.
I had predicted 3/5 as a return date for OG, hoping that holds up. Given the nature of his surgery, he progress from non-contact to contact pretty quickly.
I hope we get another update on Julius and Mitch soon…
Will Shake and Vildoza be available for the playoffs?
More seriously, I think the Shake pickup will actually help Burks, at least while the injuries are still present. Shake is more of a PG than Burks, so AB can slide over to SG or SF where he’s expected to create less for others and which are his more natural positions.
Looking at his highlights, Shake can get to the rim. But why do people refer to him as a PG? Anyone has a link that shows him passing the ball?
How is his defense?
He’s a combo guard, not a true point. But he’s averaged around 5 assists per 36 and a 2:1 AST/TO ratio, indicating that he’s at least more of a PG than Deuce or Burks. He’s a bad defender despite being 6’5.
Shake is NOT a PG. He’s not really even a combo-guard. More of a smallish playmaking wing.
Here are some highlights that include some passing towards the end.
Shake Milton?
😂😂😂😂
Most of the NBA injury reports have OG and Randle back by 3/12 or just say mid March.
Thanks Eminently and Z–man. Yeah, this is not a PG type passing highlights. Well, maybe Thibs had him in Minnesota and knows something we don’t.
Shake can pass a little bit, but I wonder how many assists he generated by simply swinging the ball to Joel Embiid.
The bottom line is that he’s a fringe rotation player on a good team. Probably a Jericho Sims-level player, which is what we should be using those 11-14 roster spots on if we aren’t filling them through the draft.
He’s no great Shake
Thibs will milk Shake for all he’s worth
But he’ll Shake it off
Just jumping in to express my dubious dissatisfaction with the recent pick-ups. I know we need warm bodies, and I’m still softly okay with Bogey because he’s such a lights-out shooter, but we now have two softies on D and if we pick up Milt Shake we’ll have three. Plus Milt is rocking a ~3.5 assists per 36, not 5, which is equivalent to Deuce who we all agree (even me) is not (yet) a true point guard who can make an offense hum. But at least Deuce is a lock-down defender.
It feels like these pick-ups are fracturing our identity. Maybe we just need to wait for OG to return (interesting piece by Katz again, highlighting how his presence [and absence] completely changed the team on D). And maybe I’m complaining that we can’t have everything. But I don’t like it.
I guess if they’re all just replacing DaQuan at the very far end of the bench it’s bearable. But it doesn’t feel smart.
Thibs has played Burks as a SF before, so if this is a move to put a decentish guard who can pressure the rim on the floor and let Burks give Josh Hart some time off it might be okay.
Welp..at least we can go 3 deep at both guard spots with experienced NBA players who have been effective 🤷🏾♂️
On second thought, I wonder if Milton is Brunson insurance? Not player to player, but in the sense that he’s been getting beat up carrying the entire team lately. Maybe Thibs wants to try and save Brunson for the playoffs?
Yeahhhh…now that I’ve actually typed it out, it sounds like a super stretch lol
With Milwaukee, Miami, and Orlando rising, I’m beginning to think there is a high probability we end up in a 3 v 6 matchup against Cleveland, which wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if we’re healthy.
Maybe if it was Ish it’d be Brunson insurance.
Fun Ish facts: he’s a hundred years old (came into the league in 2010). He’s shooting 50% from three this year. He has 7 assts/36 (and last year was at 9/36). And despite that he’s sporting a -7 BPM. Make of that as you will.
Shake Milton is your garden variety replacement level player. He even has a career 0.0 VORP to prove it. But that’s what he’s being brought in for: to replace injured players.
Shake’s CAA — same rep as OG and iHart.
As usual around here, it isn’t really about basketball.
Shake is a perfectly fine back of roster player. The other guys we have back there are permanent DNP-CDs who will never see a minute of floor time and thus are utterly useless. There are 22 games left, and I’ll be surprised if Shake plays more than 100 total minutes so there’s not really a whole lot to get excited about either way here.
Shake Milton is a clear upgrade over multiple incumbent rostered guys. Maybe we’ll have something to complain about if Thibs plays him over some arguably better players, but for now I’m happy we have a guy who has played some decent NBA ball instead of Obi’s bro.
Sadly, a quick search returns this sentence as the most frequently used and most accurate on KB since the beginning.
@Raven
I was using his career per 36 assists number (4.6). In all the years where he’s played a large enough minutes sample he’s been closer to 5 assists per 36 than 3. But yes, this year his numbers are way down!
He’s flotsam, but he’ll be useful as an innings eater and preventing Point Deuceburksenstein from submarining us.
“As usual around here, it isn’t really about basketball”
Were you referring to your own commentary in general?
By VORP he’s actually better than most replacement players. I know that VORP stands for value over replacement player but the statistic doesn’t work the way its title suggests. The median VORP in the NBA is 0.0, meaning half the players in the NBA are zero or below. So by this measure Shake is equivalent to the typical eighth best player on a typical NBA roster. That’s very good for a waiver pickup and better than what I would consider typical actual emergency replacement players.
He’s been a good enough player before this year, but pretty bad this year.
If he’s a combo guard, that’s a lot closer to a PG than everyone but Brunson.
It’s an upgrade just by virtue of not being named Alecto Borges
you know, maybe we do have a chance today…
philly without embiid is whooping up on the mavs (they better not start tanking again), why not us later today…
it feels like we’re due for a good game from most of the roster, that should be enough to win…
just finished Morbius, how in the world do folks spend so much money on a project and miss so badly…
what a mess that was…not terrible, just super sloppy…
next up Aquaman 2…Aquaman 1 was pretty good, I’m curious to see how this movie got messed up…
Shake Milton is a significantly negative player overall. That’s why he was released. This team needs a PG, period. He’s not a PG.
Who’s the last pure point guard we’ve had playing a significant role on this team? Pablo? Does Marbury qualify? Or do we have to go all the way back to Mark freaking Jackson?
Milton has been good enough to get on the floor in the NBA, which makes him a better alternative than his competitors, which are Charlie “Good Grief” Brown, Obi Toppin’s untalented brother and the other scrub whose name I refuse to remember, who have a grand combined total of about seven minutes played through 60 games. Not a real high bar to clear, but I think Shake manages it.
Dallas Mavericks are fucking useless.
All those guys are basically irrelevant. Having Shake at the end of the bench is not going to win us any extra games.
We needed a backup PG. We did something else instead. It’s too late now to get a decent quality backup PG. We are going to have hope that Deuce is on an accelerated learning and skills curve or stagger Brunson/Randle to get at least some extra playmaking out there. Personally, I don’t like that idea, but that’s why I’ve been in a bad mood. I didn’t love our trade deadline move when it happened and I like it even less now.
I don’t hate some of their very recent moves, but imo Cuban is among the worst. It’s really hard to draft a generational talent like Doncic 5-6 years ago, lose Brunson for nothing, give KP up for pennies on the dollar, give up quality role players and use up all your draft picks to build a poorly constructed team that plays a losing style of basketball all while complaining Doncic needs help. 🙂
I have no idea how anyone could endure the last month or so of Knicks basketball and conclude that end-of-bench players are “irrelevant,” and the idea that having a cromulent one like Milton instead of unplayable flotsam will not “win us any extra games” is totally unknowable and not something anyone can say with any confidence.
Are you 100% sure we wouldn’t have beaten Houston with Milton, perhaps if we subbed him in for Amen Borps (1/8, .282 TS% in that two point loss?
Replacing one of our completely useless 12th-15th men with a guy who has shown he can hang in the NBA should be the least controversial move we’ve ever made.
boo mavs…cheering for the mavs just enough to land us a pick around 15…hopefully we’re picking at least 26 or so…
thought about watching some afternoon basketball but I am not sitting through the celtics shellacking the warriors
I guess all we can hope for is that the Celtics are peaking too soon, because right now they’re making a mockery of the rest of the NBA.
He wasn’t the greatest but Ray Felton was definitely a pure PG.
Chris Duhon!
Holy crap, that Celtics score…
How is it even possible to get a 44-point lead by halftime?
Derrick Rose. Jason Kidd. Elfrid Payton. Jeremy Lin.
Also, E is probably right. Melton’s agent is Drew Morrison from CAA, who also reps OG & iHart, who both happen to be pending free agents. This is most likely just a solid for a guy we have to deal with quite a bit this summer.
We have 4 guards better than Melton and 2 of them already don’t get enough minutes.
Forward is the position we need bodies for. Marcus Morris makes more sense but I guess he has the wrong agent.
Melton is great. Why wouldn’t we want Melton?
We could use a non-washed version of Shake who gets into the paint, not sure that’s what we’re getting.
We don’t use Brown or Toppin because we’re not short on wings/Thibs is insane. They’re no worse than random 14th men on other teams.
Shake will be a crappy PG but that might be better than no PG.
ZACTLY, HUBERT!!
This Celtics game… ugh.
At least our draft pick gets marginally better
It will be funny when the Celts crash out of the playoffs for a weird reason.
Thibs is probably irate watching this game, thinking, “Why aren’t the starters in right now?!”
Rose & Lin were pure scorers at the 1. Kidd was a 2 by the time he got here. Payton was garbage.
I agree with Hubert on the above.
Otherwise:
Watching Felton and Duhon always just made me sad.
I wish Kidd had been flinging passes for us in his prime, but there was that whole domestic violence thing (I think?).
I recall watching way too many minutes of Greg Anthony and Chris Childs. Seemed like nice guys but ineffective.
The last guy who made me feel good when he had the ball was Derek Harper.
But those may all be *feels. I’m not sure what the math says.
Derek Harper was tremendous for us. I recall thinking he would have been Finals MVP if we’d beaten Houston (but I have never verified that since). Sometimes I even think we would have won in 93 if we’d acquired him sooner. Doc was ok that year but Harper was an upgrade.
@FredKatz
Tom Thibodeau said Julius Randle has started to take “light contact but nothing with a player yet” in practice. Just doing work with pads.
Hubie, Lin averaged over 9 assists per game during the Linsanity stretch, and over 6 per game for the year. Jalen’s over 6 now, too, so is he a point guard?
Hubert can answer for himself, but I like this question.
As much as I love Brunson, I rarely see him make a special pass. Rather, he’s a special talent who draws attention, which leads to buckets. That’s amazing. In fact that is Thibs’s entire plan. And to me that’s in line with Derek Rose, Starbury, and even Lin during the streak (if memory serves).
On the other hand, Derek Harper, Kidd, I don’t know, Nash, Magic, LaMelo, Bob Cousy (hahaha) seem to me more like pure Point guards.
Mitchell’s out!
I think of Brunson more as a scorer than a traditional PG but I love him regardless.
Updated the game thread. They have to win this game now!