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  • Emily Ratajkowski and Pete Davidson appear to confirm romance at Knicks game – The Courier=Times
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  • #SportsReport: Nets top Trail Blazers; Grizzlies beat Knicks – WAMC
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    #SportsReport: Nets top Trail Blazers; Grizzlies beat Knicks  WAMC

  • “You guys were panting” ? Brian Windhorst and David Fizdale on the time LeBron James’ Miami Heat put an end to Linsanity – Basketball Network
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  • Detroit plays New York on 3-game home skid – The Associated Press – en Espa?ol
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  • Knicks vs. Pistons – NBA Game Preview – November 29, 2022 – ESPN
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  • Knicks roll with Cam Reddish over Quentin Grimes down the stretch – New York Post
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    Knicks roll with Cam Reddish over Quentin Grimes down the stretch  New York Post

  • Knicks Lose Another Home Game, Immanuel Quickley vs. Memphis – Sports Illustrated
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    Knicks Lose Another Home Game, Immanuel Quickley vs. Memphis  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson: Blocks five shots in loss – CBS Sports
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    Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson: Blocks five shots in loss  CBS Sports

  • Knicks on the Court: November 27 vs. Grizzlies Photo Gallery – NBA.com
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    Knicks on the Court: November 27 vs. Grizzlies Photo Gallery  NBA.com

  • Ja Morant proves too much as Knicks’ comeback falls short to Grizzlies – New York Post
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  • Memphis Grizzlies vs. New York Knicks Live Score and Stats – November 27, 2022 Gametracker – CBS Sports
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    Memphis Grizzlies vs. New York Knicks Live Score and Stats – November 27, 2022 Gametracker  CBS Sports

  • Pete Davidson, Emily Ratajkowski Surface Together at Knicks Game – TMZ
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    Pete Davidson, Emily Ratajkowski Surface Together at Knicks Game  TMZ

  • Knicks injury update: Reddish, Rose return vs Grizzlies, Brunson available – Empire Sports Media
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    Knicks injury update: Reddish, Rose return vs Grizzlies, Brunson available  Empire Sports Media

  • New York Knicks president Leon Rose makes a wild RJ Barrett comparison that factually makes no sense -“His numbers are in the company of Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Luka Doncic, and Kevin Durant” – Basketball Network
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    New York Knicks president Leon Rose makes a wild RJ Barrett comparison that factually makes no sense -“His numbers are in the company of Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Luka Doncic, and Kevin Durant”  Basketball Network

  • Memphis Grizzlies vs New York Knicks Nov 27, 2022 Game Summary – NBA.com
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    Memphis Grizzlies vs New York Knicks Nov 27, 2022 Game Summary  NBA.com

  • Knicks’ Cam Reddish: Coming off bench in return – CBS Sports
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    Knicks’ Cam Reddish: Coming off bench in return  CBS Sports

  • Jalen Brunson’s Final Injury Status For Grizzlies-Knicks Game – Sports Illustrated
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    Jalen Brunson’s Final Injury Status For Grizzlies-Knicks Game  Sports Illustrated

  • 2 teams that might be desperate enough to trade for Knicks’ Evan Fournier – Daily Knicks
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    2 teams that might be desperate enough to trade for Knicks’ Evan Fournier  Daily Knicks

  • Memphis Grizzlies score vs. New York Knicks: Live updates – Commercial Appeal
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  • Wassup in Westchester: Terrible second quarter dooms W-Knicks in loss – Posting and Toasting
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  • RJ Barrett’s struggles continue to handicap Knicks – AMNY
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    RJ Barrett’s struggles continue to handicap Knicks  AMNY

  • 82 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2022.11.28)”

    Time for me to spend another day — and possibly night — at Frank’s place of employment. Wish me luck, fellas.

    In less important news, the complete implosion of Obi’s shot is really concerning. He’s back to early in his rookie year where a lot of them aren’t coming close at all. And this is happening right after he seemed to have turned a major corner in this area.

    Fun, entertaining game.
    Ja Morant is a superstar and Grizzlies a very good team, a potential contender a tier or two above us, but one which we always match up well and this year the two losses were both annoyingly close.

    Every Knicks did some good things (some did a lot of good things), every Knicks had some mistakes (some more than others), but it was a good team effort.
    We’re always a cent short to make a dollar, anyway these are the kind of competitive losses that we expected to see against good teams.

    And let’s hope IQ’s injury isn’t serious, that’s the main thing.

    Random thoughts at the 20-games mark:

    – I had them at 10-10 so I’m down-1 in my preseason predictions;

    – Our halfcourt offense is, for long stretches, a quagmire stuck in the early ’10s. Then once in a while someone starts to move around and things get better and easier (and more watchable). Can they sustain this a little more please?

    – RJ and Julius play defense 20% of the time, not more;

    – Jalen Brunson is as advertised and then some. It’s good to have him;

    – RJ’s regression is the worst development of the year, but yesterday’s game gave me a little hope. I’m worried about his defense, he always looks slower than his opponent, like he’s reacting on streaming delay;

    – So far Randle has been more or less under control for most of the season. He’s been able to avoid meltdowns, had a couple of great games, his defense has been mostly a disaster. I still hope we’ll find a taker.

    – Mitch is very important for our defense, but he has missed half of the season and he’s playing only 20 minutes a game when healthy. He hasn’t learn how to boxout yet.

    – Cam has been a pleasant surprise, who would have bet we have a “playah” there? Nice rotation piece with upside.

    – Obi, where art thou?

    – IQ’s a consistent shot away from goodness, nice defensive and passing improvements though;

    – Grimes needs to regain his stroke, but spryness and assists are a good surprise.

    – Rose’s playing half the minutes he’s used to, cooked or rounding into form? Is there a contender that needs a savvy veteran to steady his bench unit?

    – Hartenstein. We don’t know how to use you guy, you would have done better signing elsewhere;

    – Sims and Deuce are random variables, I can’t even try to find a pattern in their usage… 🙂

    – When Fournier opened the door of his new apartment closet he was surprised finding Austin Rivers’ diary and Kemba’s stuffed animals in there. How many hide-holes do you think we have in Siberia Evan?

    “– Cam has been a pleasant surprise, who would have bet we have a “playah” there? Nice rotation piece with upside.”

    Pretty much everyone that watched him play saw his talent and knew he just needed to get his shot selection under control and his motor revved on defense. That wasn’t a huge reach given his development was stalled by injury repeatedly going all the way back to college.

    The next step is improving the other skills.

    I don’t pay close enough attention to why he doesn’t rebound much. I’m not sure if it’s role, positioning, effort, or a little of everything but with his length and athleticism he should rebound more.

    We have one less excess 1st rounder to trade because of that deal, but we got a better player and prospect than the value of that pick.

    The other good news is that Thibs wasn’t hot on the deal, but he’s giving Cam the minutes on merit. The next step for Thibs is the almost impossible one. He has to use Cam and Grimes together a lot more and reduce RJ’s minutes and shots.

    Repost:

    Initial thoughts at the 20-game mark:

    Record: my “chalk” expectation at this point was 7-13. I had us losing to @PHI, @MIN, and @DEN, but beating OKC at home. Obviously missing stars facilitated all of these extra wins, but they still count. So 9-11 is right about where we objectively should be at this point, and is largely in line with a trajectory towards the Vegas 38.5 number and either just in or just out of the play-in.

    Player grades:
    Brunson: A
    Randle: B-
    RJ: D
    Fournier: F
    Mitch: B-
    Cam: B
    IQ: B
    Obi: C
    Hart: C
    Grimes: INC (would give him a C right now)
    Rose: C-
    Sims: A-
    Deuce: B-

    Thibs:
    B for rotations and substitutions
    C for holding players accountable
    B for pace of play adjustments

    20 games in and I am less optimistic than I was before the season started. The record itself is about where I thought we would be but how we’ve gotten here so far has been disappointing.

    There are several bad losses and several unacceptable ones. And some of the games we’ve won have been because the other team was missing a key guy (although we were missing Mitch for some of those games too).

    But really….it all comes down to RJ, right? He’s been bad. And he’s yet to have like a REALLY good RJ game. He’s had some good ones but he’s not put together a string of them and he’s had some truly horrific outings. Like worst of his career games.

    You would expect in year 4 with a legit point guard that this wouldn’t happen. But right now, there really isn’t much we can do about it except hope he gets better.

    So I’m taking the long view still. I am not in panic mode like a lot of team pessimist is. I think there is still a viable way out of this mediocrity. But it’s going to require some creativity and a little luck.

    The positives. IQ’s defense and all around game is much better. Sims has been truly great to watch. Cam shows promise. I still believe in Grimes too. And Brunson…wow. He has been everything we hoped he would be and more. I

    f you build a contender by getting a legit number one, two and three option…then at least we have our number two or three option on the team now, right?

    The first moves that need to be made. Trade Derrick Rose. He’s given us next to nothing for a year now. McBride’s offense might not be good but we can take that hit while he develops because his defense is good and we need to improve our defense more than our offense right now anyways. Let him take that back up PG role (with IQ really running point in the second unit). I would think we could trade him for a second rounder but if not, just cut the dude. We don’t need him.

    Fournier. This one will be harder but I think we can find a taker especially if we attach a second rounder or two, which I would be willing to do. I think the league knows he can be valuable to a team.

    After that, I think we just gotta be patient. Randle has been better. RJ will improve (he’s got to, right?)

    I actually think Leon will make at least 2 picks this off season if we have 3 first rounders. People say he doesn’t make picks but his first year he made both of them. Last year he “incinerated” the 19th pick but it ended up getting us CAM and he traded back a pick to pick up another one and get Grimes and McBride. So he went in with 2 picks and came out with 2 players. It’s really just this last off season that he didn’t make a pick but that was partly to use one to get rid of Noel so we could sign Brunson, which has worked out.

    So I don’t buy that he never wants to make picks. And if Rose and Fournier are leaving the team at some point this season, that’s going to open up 2 roster spots for young players. So I think he’ll make some picks. But I do think if he has 3, he’s gonna try to package 2 of them to move up.

    Hang in there Alan, wishing you the best. You’ll be back to cranking out the best reviews the internet has to offer, and of course posting tank GIFs, in no time.

    Dang, Alan. Sorry to hear that. Hope you get a quick an 100% positive outcome.
    of many actions that get on my nerves, the ongoing lack of effort on defense by Ju and RJ is the primary trigger. Someone needs to bring a sign to the Garden: JU and RJ, You are Not Luka Doncic! Defense. On the flipside of the sign Hey Thibs, Consistent Accountability.

    Yep, Alan, get quick soon.

    Going to pass on my 20 game postmortem for the moment. Too much going on.

    Mitch has had some holes in his game this year but I have trouble finding fault with him because the defense around him when he is out there with Brunson, Randle, and Barrett is just incredibly porous. No ability to stop people on the perimeter and very little defense rebounding. He also has just looked kind of exhausted in a few of these games. I don’t know if that is a function of time he has missed or being asked to do more. I’d like him to learn not to bite on every single pump fake but overall he has been more or less his normal very good self. Needs to stay healthy too.

    Losing IQ is a major blow if its serious. I think we win the game yesterday if he doesn’t get hurt.

    Obi’s role has morphed… cursory glances suggest he’s back to running to the corner… maybe i’m not glancing enough

    Also, apropos of nothing but Paul Reed. my new stan, was a +28 last night on 6-6 shooting. Love that guy.

    “ Kemba signing in Dallas. Knicks West again!”

    It would be very Knicksy if Kemba put up 30 against us on Saturday

    I will also pass on a complete 20 game check-in because too little has changed from my POV at game zero for it to be particularly interesting. The front office just hasn’t put us in a very desirable spot. I’ll stick to things that have genuinely stuck out to me in some way or another:

    -I was unambiguously on the “go after Brunson” train and even I’m surprised at how good he’s been. The numbers are all there, both the granular (he takes literally the most “short mid” shots of anyone in the league and hits 54% of them) and the AIO (3.8 BPM). His defensive deficiencies and work-in-progress long range jumper require some creativity in lineup building around him, but he’s good enough to justify it.

    -Cam Reddish continues to fascinate me as a Rorschach Test. As seen in this very thread, a lot of people feel he has clearly proved he’s a keeper. Yet when you look at the numbers…they still look pretty Cam Reddishy. He’s upped his efficiency to league-average territory, but has done so by lowering his usage to Tyson Chandler levels. I think it’s good for the team that he has seemingly pared down his ambitions in this sense, but it also calls into question his ceiling. I am definitely not exempt from finding him more interesting as a player than the numbers indicate–I think he’s the rare plus defender who doesn’t really generate defensive box score stats and some of his finishes are hypnotizing. However, we should ask ourselves how much we, as a team that isn’t good with Cam making $6M, can afford to pay a guy who only impacts the game in so many (read: not many) ways. I’d still much, much rather have rolled the dice on someone at 19 to be honest.

    -I’ve already discussed the Novakization of Obi Toppin (tl;dr he’s taking an absurd number of threes at the expense of shots at the rim compared to past seasons and college). I don’t think it’s the right way to utilize him. He should definitely be shooting threes, but they should be one weapon in a larger arsenal that I do think he has. Of course, until he actually shows us said larger arsenal that’s just conjecture on my part. Hopefully we eventually kind of unleash him fully and the time spent playing like Davis Bertans winds up being beneficial developmentally.

    -I think the team will improve, but our record won’t. I don’t think we’re the 25th best team in the league and our net rating should go up as RJ Barrett stops being historically bad, Quickley hits some shots, and Grimes settles into the rotation. We don’t have very good shooters generally, but 32% overall feels a tad unlucky. There will probably be some positive defensive regression too with regards to opponent 3PT%, though maybe not as much as we’d think given that some of that seems intentional/scheme based. I don’t think this improvement will be reflected much in our record though, because we’ve picked up some cheap wins that will be harder to come by as superior teams get healthier and gel a little more.

    -Lastly, I am generally struggling a bit to get invested in this team on a game-to-game basis. There are just so few players I think genuinely have a chance to be on the next 50+ game winner. Whether it’s because the front office has already shown a desire to trade them, because they just aren’t good enough, because they’re too old, or some combination of all of that this just very much feels like a rental team of sorts.

    was skimming through yesterday’s threads and someone mentioned that RJ has basically been treated as a young “star” player since first arriving…

    this sounds very true…his “role” has not been well defined at all…or, at least a role which fits his skill set…

    at the moment, I’m not even so sure what RJ’s basketball skills are?

    Thibs:
    B for rotations and substitutions
    C for holding players accountable
    B for pace of play adjustments

    Agree with your other scores, but Thibs gets a C for pace adjustments and a D- for holding players accountable. And that’s grading on a curve, it really should be an F. You don’t have Julius playing turnstile and RJ throwing up worse than my son with the flu and just ‘let it happen.’ There is nothing ‘holding accountable’ in that. Nothing.

    Cam’s an odd player, at least right now.

    One of the things he’s good at is switchable defense on the wing, which we sorely need. He has the length and agility you need to be good at that job. The Knicks are not a team that plays long, they have some short and stumpy guys out there. If you’re rolling out the Brunson/RJ/Randle triumvirate, it’s pretty essential to have a wing who can disrupt plays a little bit. This is why Fournier has found himself exiled while Cam and Grimes take his minutes.

    So it ends up that Cam is a particularly good fit for this ill-fitting roster that struggles to defend. The Knicks are a bottom 5 defense, y’all. A quarter of the season in, they’re the 5th worst defensive team in the league.

    Cam has also stopped chucking, and has reinvented himself as a low-usage offensive player who picks his spots wisely. He’ll generally only drive to the rim if he sees an opening, and he has been good at converting those shots in light traffic. Many of his drives are aesthetically pleasing. He doesn’t shoot well enough from the perimeter to be a true threat, and while he shoots a very good percentage from the line he doesn’t get there often because he’s generally only looking to attack when there’s an opening at the rim.

    That’s not a useless player, but that’s not a special player either. He’s like the modern day version of Ronnie Brewer: plays good positional defense, gets some steals, hardly ever gets to the line, rarely rebounds, doesn’t get many assists, usage is low.

    I feel the same way about Reddish. If you are putting on the rose colored glasses you can find things to like there but sometimes it feels you need the Large Hadron Collider to find his fingerprints in a box score.

    That’s an exaggeration but barely.

    RJ will be better but we can all be honest I think about how much he has completely sucked so far. Really no excuses for his play.

    I feel like yesterday he pared down his game a little bit and just went with more of his bread and butter moves. When he goes strong to his left and can get ahead of his defender he does a lot better than when he goes right. And he found some good spot up three opportunities rather than trying to create jump shots off the dribble.

    FWIW I doubt the Washington pick conveys this year. They’ve already fallen to the 8th seed and that’s with Brooklyn and Miami behind them, not to mention Chicago. They’re 23rd in net rating and there’s nothing in the form of cavalry on the way. This may shock you, but a particular well-compensated player of theirs has regressed after a hot start.

    Now there’s a situation that may well be more bleak than our own, though maybe they can change that if they ever trade Beal. Of course, they’ve handcuffed themselves further by giving him a full NTC. It’s so bleak I’m not even sure we’ll ever get the pick to be honest (protections get as low as top-8 in 2026 before conveying as two seconds).

    I also don’t think Dallas will be bad enough for their pick not to convey unless Luka misses a ton of time. They’re 9th in net rating and have gotten pretty unlucky. Because I don’t think them landing the top 10 is a real risk, all of these early season losses they can’t get back are good for us.

    We’ll probably have something like the 11th and 17th picks, with the WAS/DET/MIL picks still in the holster.

    I’m a little worried about the DET pick not conveying too, given that they seem eons away from doing anything interesting. That one dwindles to top-9 protection in 2027 before becoming two seconds.

    All in all, I’m not sure what the constant punting on picks has really done for us. It’s true that there’s a “new car off the lot” effect with draft picks, but 1) you can overcome this by making good picks and 2) these protected picks clearly aren’t valued like regular firsts, even if it’s above 50/50 they’ll eventually convey as such.

    Maybe this time let’s just put together a big board and pick the highest players on it when we’re on the clock, yeah?

    Feel better Alan!

    *********************

    The picks will gain in trade value when they mature. Still take 3 picks over 1 pick.

    We have a 10-man rotation, a single minute for Deuce, zero minutes for Sims, & Evan Fournier as a DNP. What are we doing with those extra draft picks if we made them?

    “Agree with your other scores, but Thibs gets a C for pace adjustments and a D- for holding players accountable. ”

    Re: Pace, we went from near or at last in the league to 10th. I don’t see how that can be anything less than a B

    Re: accountability, I understand the long leash for both Julius and RJ, given their contracts. Randle has merited his 33 mpg, especially since Obi has been largely mediocre to bad. RJ is a different story.

    Beyond that, the C is largely due to his exiling of Fournier. That’s a bold move, given that he’s by far the team’s most reliable 3-pt shooter and a legit rotation player. He was offered a different and more appropriate role, sucked at it, and was promptly benched.

    Rose playing token minutes is also a factor, although that might be more due to health concerns.

    Cam getting minutes at first was lucky, but keeping him in the rotation is a deserved reward for his stronger, smarter play. His on-off numbers continue to be good, and his length and finishing ability jump off the screen. He’s shooting 55.4% from 2, on nearly 7 attempts per 36. That’s not nothing.

    “We have a 10-man rotation, a single minute for Deuce, zero minutes for Sims, & Evan Fournier as a DNP. What are we doing with those extra draft picks if we made them?”

    And how’s that working for us? It is in fact my point that the approach we did take to building a rotation has led us to a pretty grim place.

    For the record, I’ve never been one to say trading the 13th pick for the MIL 2025 pick was a catastrophe. I probably would’ve just taken Eason assuming it wouldn’t have affected the Brunson pursuit (unclear), but I’ve always said that wasn’t nearly as obvious a call as not incinerating the 2021 19th pick was. There were better players available at 19 in 2021 than there were at 13 in 2022, and the pick we got in return in 2022 was more commensurate with the pick we traded.

    But even if we had two extra rookie-scale guys, there’s no good reason they couldn’t be challenging RJ, Cam, and Rose for minutes, and it also wouldn’t be the biggest deal in the world if we couldn’t find them rotation minutes immediately while we work to clear our logjam of mediocrity.

    Tellingly, RJ is last by a mile in VORP so far—he is legitimately hurting the team’s chances of winning on a nightly basis. I’ve been pretty anti-RJ during his tenure, but even I didn’t think it would get this bad.

    If he continues to be to play this poorly, they really should look at giving him a “super-sub” label and start two of Grimes/Quick/Cam instead. Frankly, he would likely do play better on the 2nd team with Hart and Obi not clogging the lane.

    My optimism for the season was based on RJ making a leap… but it was a leap forward and not backwards. So as this isn’t looking good, i decided that 20 games is a small sample size and i’ll re-evaluate this by game 40. 😀

    *** I will also pass on a complete 20 game check-in because too little has changed from my POV at game zero for it to be particularly interesting….***

    …But here is a 1500 word summary of what I would have written if it had been more interesting. -TNFH

    I think it’s fair to say that for the time being, Leon and Thibs have their fortunes firmly hitched to the JRRJ Express (currently running on the local track, but I digress…)

    If you are praying for a radical departure from their current roles/minutes, you are actually praying for the coach and FO (in that order) to get fired. Because until that happens, you can pencil RJ and Randle in as starters getting 30+ minutes. Leon and Thins are not going to eat either of those contracts.

    While I understand all those who have already jumped ship on this braintrust (or who were never on board in the first place) I am withholding final judgment until opening day 2023-24, barring a final-straw blockbuster like the almost-Spida deal. There’s a lot of muck in the water right now that I feel limits my visibility. I still think the jury is out on RJ, and on a bunch of other players. I’m interested to see what happens in the upcoming trade deadline, draft and transaction period next summer. I’m actually not stressed about our record this year. I’d rather see us do poorly enough to get Thibs fired, but if we do better than that, it’s all about how Julius and the young players play, especially RJ, Grimes, IQ and Obi.

    It’s actually very simple. Need a bring in brilliant smart young mind like: Udoka, Atkinson, Charles Lee (my choice) or Becky Hammond.

    it’s odd, though — once you start making your own ricotta, it’s hard to imagine buying that jello stuff from the store

    the hardest part is clearing the burnt curds from the bottom of the pot, but as long as you have a good instant-read thermometer it’s basically foolproof

    lemon juice is a better acid for pancakes, vinegar better for Italian savory dishes

    Seems like the website is taking the day off to watch some World Cup

    fuck FIFA and fuck Qatar

    20 game recap: Brunson is a wizard.

    Also if you’re going to play a rim protector at all times, better live with him protecting the rim as best as he can, instead of always collapsing on the penetrator with two heavy, slow rotating defenders, while leaving wide open 3pt shooters.

    it’s odd, though — once you start making your own ricotta, it’s hard to imagine buying that jello stuff from the store

    man, i have been wanting to chow down on a good lasagna for a while now…started looking through Goldbelly to find something tasty…nothing yet though…

    hell, it’d probably just be cheaper to fly you down here to so cal jowles, and beg you to do some gourmet chef type magic stuff…

    Thanks, guys. Procedure didn’t go like I had hoped, which mainly means this stupid saga continues. But I am not in any danger, it seems.

    But at least I have something to annoy me that is not the Knicks. So that’s good?

    priorities in life:
    1). health
    2). health
    3). health
    4 – thru whatever). other stuff

    no doubt this situation is tough on the family also…keep doing your best al, after that, do what you can…

    Alan, you will be fine. Frank and the rest of us will see to that. Just to be sure, my Welsh wife has agreed to follow you even if the USA team gets knocked out. Don’t dismiss what this means—you’d understand if you met her.

    What would the most realistic best case scenario be for RJ right now, maybe an Andrew Wiggins type career?

    Speedy recovery, Alan.

    I don’t think anyone saw that coming. Hard to believe that no one was pessimistic enough to envision our current scenario.

    .
    I mean, you’d have to be a complete mental sadist to envision RJ regressing instead of, at the very least, holding serve from last season. Many of us have curbed our expectations of him, but if he doesn’t take a step forward this season it will be very problematic for this team, even moreso that Randle.
    Also, no one expected us to be beating out the Lakers for worst 3pt shooting team in the league. Lakers knew going into the season they were gonna be stuck with poor outside shooting – the question is are/should we be stuck with it as well?

    “What would the most realistic best case scenario be for RJ right now, maybe an Andrew Wiggins type career?”

    I struggle with this question because RJ is kind of unique among players who haven’t washed out of the NBA immediately in that he really just does not have an above average skill. Even Wiggins was a pretty good finisher right from the outset, it just took him forever to get his jump shot together.

    It doesn’t bode well for RJ that both “finishing at the rim” and “jump shooting” fall under the weakness category for him right now. That really puts you in a deficit when it comes to becoming a good player.

    I guess it’s possible he gets good enough at spot up 3PT shooting that he can be a legitimate threat off the ball who also looks to score on cuts. That obviously doesn’t sound like a player who scores 20 PPG, so my envisioned role for him here probably doesn’t comport with his own.

    “What would the most realistic best case scenario be for RJ right now, maybe an Andrew Wiggins type career?”

    Well, Andrew Wiggins is athletic which RJ definitely isn’t. If I’m feeling hopeful, Kyle Anderson, if not, Dion Waiters.

    Question for the group. Has all the orange on the site changed to red or have I suffered some form sudden onset color blindness?

    For the record, I’ve never been one to say trading the 13th pick for the MIL 2025 pick was a catastrophe

    There were better players available at 19 in 2021 than there were at 13 in 2022

    Ousmane Dieng had 17 pts, 12 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals in his showdown against the likely #2 pick in the upcoming draft, Scoot Henderson in the G-League.

    We’re going to be crying about him by 2025.

    There’s even a shred of Giannis potential there.

    sorry to hear the saga continues, alan.

    Pretty much everyone that watched him play saw his talent and knew he just needed to get his shot selection under control and his motor revved on defense.
    ***
    I think he’s the rare plus defender who doesn’t really generate defensive box score stats

    hesitant to take on noted tag teamers jake and logan in one shot, but it can’t be helped. if pretty much everyone who watched cam play defense in the nba for 3+ yrs thinks what he mainly needs is more motor, pretty much everyone needs to learn how to watch nba defense. cam has in fact played a bit harder on d this year, and it’s helped. but cam still has huge holes on defense, the ones that were already there and are much bigger problems than a motor that went from a bit below average to average.

    he has zero feel. by that i mean his risk reward choices are worse than random. he correctly notes that he’s a tarantula but mistakes this for a superpower to swarm much faster guards who mercilessly beat him off the dribble. his off-ball awareness is maybe a 2-3 out of 10, which leads him to get beat back-door way, way too often. he seems to notice screens only after they’ve given him proof of insurance.

    it is plain that cam has elite length, hands, decent hips and quick passing lane reactions, which allows him to hawk, switch and disrupt. but his lack of awareness and good decision-making are huge mitigants to those pluses. it’s very hard to judge the gestalt of guys like this in the short term but there are almost no historical examples of players who are as disaster prone as cam’s defense who were legitimate plus defenders. what he needs is not hustle but situational awareness. it is much, much harder to develop than hustle, especially if you’re not an 18 yr old who started playing basketball at 15. i see the physical allure, and his uniqueness on a team like ours with zero wing disruptors, but i think he’s actually a worse defender than his stl/blk counting stats right now, and motor is not and has never been the fulcrum with him.

    man, i have been wanting to chow down on a good lasagna for a while now…

    make some, my dude

    1 lb. 85/15 beef
    1 lb. ground italian sauage
    1/4 lb. mortadella, finely diced
    1/4 lb. pancetta, finely diced

    brown that shit, remove and drain fat back into dutch oven

    add diced yellow onion, 1 large grated carrot, cook until softened, add minced garlic, fresh basil, lots of oregano, salt and pepper to taste, until softened, then add a little tomato paste and/or red wine to deglaze the bottom of the pan, cook until the alcohol smell is gone, then add 2-3 28 oz cans of good whole tomatoes (I prefer Muir Glen fire roasted) and use a potato smasher against the bottom of the pan — then add a tbsp of fish sauce and tbsp of soy sauce just to be a dick

    add meat back to pot and simmer for a couple hours, then immersion blend it until it’s the right consistency

    ricotta: bring a gallon of non-organic whole milk to 180-185F (the temperature matters here) and add 1/4c white vinegar and a big dash of salt, then stir for a few seconds and keep the pot at 180F for 30m

    after 30m, use a slotted spoon to remove the curds into a strainer with cheesecloth in it, squeeze excess moisture out

    add a couple eggs and a handful of fresh grated parmesan or pecorino to the ricotta, and a handful of fresh chopped parsley

    then just make lasagna with it — layered noodles in a 9×13 pan, with fresh grated part-skim mozzarella on top (I used bufala last night and it was insanely good, but not necessary)

    Another day, another bubble burst. But what about Grimes Milo? Can I least get excited about his defense?

    no doubt the knicks need to start filling roster slots with guys who are much better shooters, defenders and faster of foot…

    ugh, two missed jalen brunson regulation buzzer shots that changed our record from 9 – 11 to 20 and 0…

    hard not to imagine at least 15 to 20 other team sites bitching about how shitty their coach and players are…

    that does not console me…when i think knicks, all i can think about now is RJ plodding along like a tortoise against hares, julius spinning to nowhere with his – i’m not really that crazy – look…and thibs pointlessly yelling…

    reference cam, he’s better than RJ…

    of all the things this season though, what burns the most is this:

    I mean, you’d have to be a complete mental sadist to envision RJ regressing instead of, at the very least, holding serve from last season.

    That Ringer article just made me scared that we’re gonna be the team to bail the Bulls out of this with a stupid DeRozan or LaVine trade. You can tell me about how that isn’t necessarily *this* front office’s M.O. all you want, if you aren’t at least a little worried about the same thing I don’t believe you’ve followed this team over the years.

    Re: Cam, “good defender” was probably entirely too strong a term. I’m likely unduly influenced by actually watching a lengthy wing defender, because it feels like it’s been forever since we’ve had one of those. I mean that literally—I am not sure we’ve had someone who fits that description during the entire time I’ve been watching the Knicks.

    Realistically his defense isn’t particularly close to where it would need to be to justify a serious long-term investment, given that his offense continues to be a once-a-month kind of thing.

    I dunno pt, you’re describing Kevin Knox and that’s not what I see with Cam. I’ll look more closely next game.

    Re: RJ, a modestly bad outcome for him might be the guy that torched us last night…Dillon Brooks. Despite Brooks being RJ’s age when he entered the league after being drafted 45th, their career stats at this point in time are pretty similar, and both Canadian to boot!

    https://stathead.com/tiny/zefgL

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    fuck, i’ve gained about 5 lbs or so the last couple of weeks – the irony being is a finally got around to filling out a weight goal from the fitbit stuff…

    yeah, heading backwards right now…

    lasagna ain’t no cheap dish to make…it also requires a good bit of prep and cleanup…

    i’ve been disappointed before with going out to restaurants to eat it…

    i’m close to grabbing some ragu, a couple of cheese slices and hamburger patties, whatever noodles, throwing it all in some casserole thing, sprinkling some parmesan cheese on it and just living with the results…

    i just gotta keep lowering expectations is all…

    “I’m likely unduly influenced by actually watching a lengthy wing defender, because it feels like it’s been forever since we’ve had one of those. I mean that literally—I am not sure we’ve had someone who fits that description during the entire time I’ve been watching the Knicks.”

    We did have Trevor Ariza for like half a season before trading him for Steve Francis’ corpse.

    Re: Cam, “good defender” was probably entirely too strong a term. I’m likely unduly influenced by actually watching a lengthy wing defender, because it feels like it’s been forever since we’ve had one of those. I mean that literally—I am not sure we’ve had someone who fits that description during the entire time I’ve been watching the Knicks.

    Jared Jeffries—NBA player who can’t make a layup—would like a word.

    Another sobering bit from that article is the notion of having nothing to look forward to. Part of my rut with the current iteration of the Knicks definitely has to do with not feeling like there’s much of anything exciting on the horizon.

    It feels like a lot our young guys have mostly stalled out and there’s almost definitely no super exciting draft pick at the end of the tunnel.

    Dunno, things can change quickly in the NBA but the conventional wisdom that the treadmill of mediocrity sucks might just be right.

    @geo…back in the day…my go to “short cut” lasagna was Stouffer’s frozen…they made an honest attempt at it…not like many of the other tv dinner pretenders…that Stouffer’s was in my 9 man rotation…the bummer…was I think it took awhile to back…you don’t get the same consistency if you nuke it….but who knows that was back when I thought a mcdonalds quarter pounder was decent…

    here we are …at 87-87 (regular season record 88-91 if you count playoffs) under Leon/Thibs…that about says it all…mediocrity…our 2nd and 3rd highest compensated players are consistently inconsistent and our 4th somehow can’t get any playing time even though the one thing he does well is what we are seriously lacking…

    this reminds me of a time in my yankee fandom when I just watched to see Mattingly hit 4 times a night cuz the team stank…now I just watch to see Mitch or Sims or Brunson play ..also Cam has some cool moves…that’s about it…no bueno…

    “I’m likely unduly influenced by actually watching a lengthy wing defender, because it feels like it’s been forever since we’ve had one of those. I mean that literally—I am not sure we’ve had someone who fits that description during the entire time I’ve been watching the Knicks.”

    “We did have Trevor Ariza for like half a season before trading him for Steve Francis’ corpse.”

    FRANK!!!

    I know we are all excited about Brunson, as we should be…he represents awesome value on his contract, is eminently watchable and rootable, and cost nearly nothing (yet?) to acquire, to Cuban’s everlasting shame.

    But on how many other teams would he definitely be the “best” player?

    Certainly less than 10, probably less then 5, possibly less than 3, is that fair?

    This brings into pretty stark relief that we have a three-headed minutes/usage soaker monster that has only one actually functioning head, and two variations on mostly drooping dead weights, even though they all make roughly the same money. After that, both the minutes and usage drops off a cliff to the next candidate in that category…IQ.

    Everything else is a low-minutes and/or low-usage potpourri. It is likely that our record doesn’t improve much unless BOTH of these things happen:

    -At least one of the two dead heads mystically perks up and becomes a legit plus player.
    -At least two of the rest (read: IQ, Grimes, Obi, Cam) makes significant strides.

    I don’t know, we’re one game worse than I thought we’d be and I can’t imagine RJ playing worse than he has. And Quick and Grimes shouldn’t both continue to shoot as badly as they have. Mitch has been hurt, Fournier has basically left the building etc… So a lot has gone wrong and really Brunson is the only thing that’s gone indisputably right. Randle certainly could be worse- but he could get his head out of his ass defensively too. I guess I’ll hold firm on 43 wins and keep hoping that either Grimes or Quick breaks out. We’ve got our one and five looks fine- if we come out of this season with a solid two then you can start to actually put a winner together. Of course we’ll still have the intractable problem of RJ and Randle. Can one of them please not suck? At least play well enough that they can moved without using every spare draft pick we have? Something has to go right for this team eventually.

    Rather than drone on about basketball arcana, I’ll tie this into the brief music discussion of a couple days ago.

    The first Dry Cleaning album has totally grown on me, as I kind of suspected it would, (*) and the title track features the lead singer adopting a rather proper subtle disdain for men and their follies and their silliness. It concludes:

    “This new bloody big problem//
    No more shared sundae//
    This absolutely huge fuck up.”

    (With a perfect Brit art house chick stress/enunciation of “fuck up.”)

    That’s the Knicks.

    (*) For what have now become clearly preposterously wrong reasons, I somehow got into my head that it was more of a put it on at low/medium volume and let it kind of be background noise album. But it totally shines cranked to 11 on headphones.

    Nicos, I hear you but I think there are games that indicate that we indeed could have been worse. None of our big 3 has missed a single game, while a huge chunk of our opponents was missing at least one all-star level player, sometimes more than one. Other teams are likely to improve as their injuries heal. We have nothing in the hopper other than Mitch (and Sims+Hart vastly mitigates his absence).

    We could very easily be 7-13 right now.

    If you want to argue that we also could have been 12-8 if we eked out some close games we lost, e.g. both MEM games, those were games we were predicted to lose, and not executing in crunch time is part of what makes losing teams lose. We seem to be nearly 100% dependent on Brunson to win games for us in crunch time. That is likely a losing proposition as the season wears on. Unless you are a MVP-level player (see: Ja Morant), predictability is never good. In fact, it was guys like Simons and Brooks that made critical shots to help beat us.

    IQ questionable tomorrow with sore knee. I’m guessing he’ll be out, since DET has a bunch of guys on their injury report.

    Fournier time?

    Our net rating is definitely more telling than our record, given how many badly injured teams we’ve faced plus just general early season weirdness. Ours is 25th.

    Net rating trutherism has a very poor track record on this board, so I’m gonna stick with it over our bad-but-not-as-bad record.

    With the obligatory injury caveat, Vucevic, LaVine, and DeRozan have positive and very likely significant positive value. The Bulls situation isn’t as bad as the Knicks.

    A good parlor game exercise for anyone who really wants to dig in is to figure out whether the Knicks’ roster had positive value in the aggregate at all. It very well could be the case that the amount of assets you’d have to attach to ship out the bad assets is higher than the amount that would come back for the good assets.

    If it’s not literally negative, it’s far too close for comfort.

    A little fun with Stathead–trying to cope with our predicament by getting a better feel for the chances of landing a star in our draft territory.

    Took a look at the last ten drafts, and searched for how many players in each of them have produced a single 4+ BPM season in which they played 2000+ minutes. Not because there is anything supernatural about that number, but because the exercise requires the use of a shorthand and if you think mine sucks propose a better one.

    Somewhat arbitrarily chose the last 10 drafts because I think there’s probably something to be said for the idea that as front offices have gotten more sophisticated, the number of these kinds of draft steals has gone down and might continue to go down.

    I set the minutes benchmark at 2000+ to avoid The Isaiah Hartenstein Problem.

    Didn’t include 2022 because that data seems useless for obvious reasons.

    Results:

    2011: Kawhi, Butler, IT, Vucevic (4)
    2012: Draymond (1)
    2013: Giannis, Gobert (2)
    2014: Jokic (1)
    2015: Booker (1)
    2016: Murray, Sabonis (2)
    2017: Bam, Mitchell (2)
    2018: none
    2019: none
    2020: none
    2021: none

    Caveats:

    -There are guys from the more recent drafts who may well do it one day, so I purposely am not taking an average because I think that could be a little misleading.

    -There are guys who just miss either the “last 10 drafts” cutoff or the BPM cutoff. SGA was technically omitted because in his 4+ BPM season he played fewer than 2000 minutes, and I didn’t include 2022 (he’s on pace to get there quite comfortably). Siakam just missed the BPM cutoff last year. Again, if you don’t like my shorthands propose better ones.

    Still, I can’t say I’m confident in the “simply sit back and watch Leon Rose make the single best pick in an entire draft” plan. This really is a rare phenomenon, which is why we all know the examples off the top of our heads.

    I want to add one thing about my 4+ BPM thing: be wary of Goodhart’s Law. All finals teams have two 4+ BPM players, but not all teams with two 4+ BPM will be finals teams. Not even remotely close.

    A team can acquire two 4+ BPM players and still have been stupid in the process. If, for example, Leon Rose traded everything we have for Bradley Beal, he might have technically have pulled off acquiring two 4+ BPM players between Beal and Brunson. He would still be a moron.

    So if the Knicks do in fact get two 4+ BPM players but are still not good, please do not throw this in my face as evidence that I’m wrong about everything or something. I never said it absolves you from having to put together a coherent, good team. It’s just a pattern you see among true contenders, that is all.

    I think you’re searching there for “It’s a necessary, but not sufficient, condition.”

    And again I’ll say Walt Perrin hit on a 4+ BPM player twice in that range. Maybe that’s random. Maybe he’s actually good at finding talent later in drafts.

    TNFH, I’m not sure what you are trying to prove. That you need two really good players to get to the finals?

    It’s how you get those players. For example, the Bucks drafted two of their best 3 players outside the lottery and traded for the third. The Suns signed an aging CP3 as a free agent and drafted Booker at #13. The Heat drafted Bam at #14 and sign+traded for Butler. The Raptors traded for Kawhi and Lowry and while he didn’t make your cut, they drafted Siakam at #27.

    In fact, many if not most of the teams that made the finals did not acquire more than one of their 4.0+ BPM players through tanking for their own draft pick, and in some cases never really tanked at all, or only for one year.

    And you kind of tripped on your own point in our case. If you consider SGA to be a qualifying player, he was there for our taking. So was Mitchell, Booker, Jokic, and a bunch of guys we passed on in the most recent drafts who will eventually get there (see: Hali).

    And if Brunson happens to be one of those guys, and you can add good players (but not necessarily 4.0+ BPMers) to the roster to the point where you can make a star trade, now you have two plus good pieces left over.

    So the premise that Leon’s entire plan is based on lucking out in the draft is kind of misguided. Getting lucky always helps, but we’ve been more dumb in drafting than unlucky. We whiffed on meatballs right down the middle in draft after draft (or got caught looking…)

    “at the moment, I’m not even so sure what RJ’s basketball skills are?”

    He does a little everything not very well.

    To be fair to him, he’s still operating on a team without much space. IMO he’s a player that will do his best work with space around the rim. So it’s not an ideal situation. I rate Cam above him and even though Grimes is not shooting well from 3 so far off the layoff, neither is RJ, but Grimes is better at everything else.

    BPM is just another all in one boxscore metric that tries to put a single number on a player’s contribution. IMO they don’t work. Basketball is about player skills on both sides of the ball and fitting those skills together in a coherent way to maximize a team. That good teams tend to have highly rated players on these kinds of metrics is not surprising. They aren’t good, but they aren’t horrible.

    Most successful teams have 2-3 guys that can score efficiently in a variety of ways, a few role players that do one or two things really well on lower usage, a good bench, and very few weak defenders.

    Brunson is good enough to be one of the three. But he’s not a good defender. So we heave to be careful who we pair him with and who is behind him.

    We have a decent bench and a few solid role players.

    We have 3 excess 1st rounders and a little more depth at the guard position than we need. Those are the assets we have over and above what teams tropically have that can be used to improve ourselves in trades, to move up in a draft, or to use a shotgun approach in the draft to find another one of the upgrades we need. That’s not enough for two more high level two way players unless we get very lucky . But we clearly have enough for ammo for one if we throw in on of our own picks. Getting that 3rd player has become more problematical with RJ’s lack of development. But even if he doesn’t work out, we should still have other picks left for drafting and trading. It would help if one of the other young players (like Grimes or Cam) breaks out a bit.

    Getting from where to are to where we want to be is going to require patience, smart trades and drafting, and player development. It always does.

    I’m sorry, but I’m very skeptical of the BPM methodology. I think good teams increase the BPM of their good players.

    ***So the premise that Leon’s entire plan is based on lucking out in the draft is kind of misguided. Getting lucky always helps, but we’ve been more dumb in drafting than unlucky.***

    The way you mitigate luck is by throwing a lot of darts, not by trading the darts for cap-space or for future darts that may not still be darts.

    “The way you mitigate luck is by throwing a lot of darts, not by trading the darts for cap-space or for future darts that may not still be darts.”

    All true, but when you put on a blindfold before throwing your darts, getting more darts isn’t the main problem…

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