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28 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2022.11.13)”
Would not want to trade IQ unless it was for something really substantial. Even with the hot and cold nature of his shooting, he does a lot of other good things on the court, especially on the defensive end and with his passing to Obi. I could live with it if he’s eventually part of a package for a great player. But don’t just trade him to trade him, especially when his value is probably lower at the moment due to the current shooting slump. (I imagine that’s part of why there’s reported interest now: teams think they can buy low on him.)
“Killian Hayes fills the stat sheet in Friday’s loss to Knicks” is such an hilarious title. He sucked in that game. Plain and simple.
I agree Alan, the one to trade is DRose, as Silky suggested on the last thread. SI says Dallas would want DRose, but if the offer is Bertans, no thank you. I think Chicago would give Coby White and filler for DRose and the homecoming feel good story. And i’d be interested in checking what Coby can do until the end of the season.
No problem whatsoever trading Rose for a 2nd. Hell, even a conditional 2nd. He seems done, and it also substantially cleans up the rotation for when everyone is healthy. IQ is now the fulltime backup PG (and it seems like he’s been mainly doing that, anyway), Fournier backs up Grimes, Cam backs up RJ. Done. The fact that even Thibs is playing Rose so few minutes, and that the two of them have not discussed it, suggests that even the team is ready to move on from said player. And while basketball-wise, I’d prefer to be done with Fournier, human-wise, I’d be relieved to root for a team without Rose on it.
It’s clear that we shouldn’t be panicking with young players having bad starts to the season, like IQ, and on the contrary, we should be shipping the vets out (DRose, Fournier) and giving even more time to the young players. We don’t stand a chance to be better than the play-in, even the play-in is not certain and if we get there we’ll probably need to win 2 games to be in the playoffs. The draft class is strong, why are we trying to get to the play-in is beyond me. We should be striping the team to only Brunson and the young guns, and see what they can do. If they manage to win, it’s because they’re good, if they lose, we’ll get a great pick in a strong draft. This should be easy. Thinking about trading IQ to get a vet that’ll probably mean 2 or 3 wins more will lead us to what? Another mirage season and failing to get value from the draft, masking the team’s flaws with some vet that’ll be here 2 seasons at best, is not what we should be doing.
Granted Thibs has been trending this way, as DRose only plays 13 MPG on the season, and Fournier around 14 MPG since being removed from the starting lineup. But i’d much prefer to let them go to a team they can help, and we get one or two young players to evaluate.
Like I’ve said multiple times, it’s hard to know what Thibs’s thinking is when it comes to Rose. He knows Rose is fragile. So he may be saving him for more important games later in the season. He knows that Rose is going to take awhile to get back to close to 100% at his age after missing so much of last season. He may also think on merit this is the best use of his players. But he’s the one Knick that’s not going to be here long term that still has value because he’s on an expiring contract, has loads of playoff experience, and can help a contender. It might be possible to package him with one of the young players to get a youngish player back that makes us better. 2nd round picks are mostly useless to us for what we need unless it’s to help move Fournier also.
IQ is the classic great young fielder with. a .110 babip that Jonah Hill has circled on his Moneyball spreadsheet. If we traded him for anything less than big value would be a massive strike against the FO.
He has put up two years above .100 and the advanced metrics worship him. He should be playing 30 per night and be allowed to shoot himself out of his slump.
As much as I love this version of D Rose on the Knicks, I agree- the best and easiest way to clear minutes for Cam, Grimes, and Fournier’s *hopeful* shooting off the bench is to move Rose. And it gives Quickley that bigger role we all want to see him thrive in. I don’t know what I’d trade him for, but they should send him somewhere he has a chance to make a difference on a contending team. Dubs, Toronto, and Phoenix are teams I’d love to see him on. Especially GS
I love Quick, but he’s still not a PG. He doesn’t penetrate well enough consistently to draw defenders and either finish or find the open player. He’s better off the ball and as the 3rd string PG. I think he might even start shooting better if he was off the ball because he’d get better quality looks. The issue then becomes the appropriate minutes distribution because we need a backup PG and there’s a bit of a glut at SG.
Re: trading Quickley.
Obviously it all depends on what the return is. Easy enough for them to dump Rose, whose contract is up at the end of the year, and so rotation minute availability should not be an issue. It is possible that they’ve had early extension talks with his agent and the #s are not close at all. They have to make extension calls on him and Obi, and also RFA call on Cam. Lot of things up in the air, and a consolidation trade still makes the most sense.
I haven’t looked this up, but I am pretty sure that IQ has the best +/- of any player on the roster over his tenure here, and while +/- is not a perfect stat, a multi-year +/- has to be worth something. The real question is whether the FO knows more than we do about his shooting woes. He hasn’t shot 40+% from the field in any season yet, and has a career 39.1% FG%, and even with his high 3PAR, his career eFG is 48.7%. It is great that he is diversifying his game by becoming a plus defender and a better distributor, but his TO numbers have spiked also.
with all that said – the Knicks have played their best basketball with him on the court. Not an easy call on extension or trade with him and Obi.
Speaking of the ball not going in the basket enough — have to say I have been pleasantly surprised with RJ so far after his horrendous first couple games. Small samples still, but his 2P% has edged above 50% without any real change in volume (About 11 2PA per 36 which is right around his career average) and he’s already taken 128 2Ps this season. He’s finishing at 67.7% around the rim, which seems ripe for regression, and he’s also well above his career average from floater range. His FT form looks very smooth — if he could shoot 78% from the line for the rest of his career, that would be so important to his future development.
I’m assuming his 3P% will come around and he’ll prob settle in the 37% range or so I would hope,. If he can ultimately shoot 50% from 2P range, 37% from 3, and 78% from the line at his current volume, that’s an extremely good player that would certainly be fairly paid at his current contract. (for this season so far – if he had made 4 more 3 pointers and everything else stayed the same, he’d be shooting 37.1% from 3 and his TS would be 56.7% on a usage of 24.7 — that would be a very impressive statistical profile for him).
where’s the poll? same return. rather deal quick or obi?
I think when a player is focusing on becoming a better distributor, if all goes according to plan, it’s normal that the TOs go up at first, until the new skill has “matured” and the TOs go down again. After seeing him getting a lot better at the end of last season, i’d keep trying IQ in the backup PG role. And he can play a little off ball when he shares the floor with Brunson.
where’s the poll? same return. rather deal quick or obi?
Since I feel IQ would get a better return in the market that Obi, by definition Obi. Also getting to peak Obi is harder than getting to peak IQ with a coach like Thibs. OTOH, my desire to get rid of Julius takes a knock if Obi is dealt for a non-Obi like replacement.
Quick remeinder: today’s game is a 12:00 start matinee.
“I think when a player is focusing on becoming a better distributor, if all goes according to plan, it’s normal that the TOs go up at first, until the new skill has “matured” and the TOs go down again.”
When you handle the ball more, the TOs will tend to remain higher. You just hope the Assist to TO ratio levels off in a good place or at least that the player is extremely efficient scoring while handling the ball that much.
I don’t want to trade IQ just for the sake of trading him.
I’d rather keep him as a good piece to add in when trading for a good player, not to take back bad contracts or second roud picks.
At the same time IQ “good shooter” is a Knicks’ fans myth,
or at least 39.1% on 1400 shots seems to suggest that.
He’s improved a lot on defense though and he’s a great rebounder for his size, so he’s definitely a useful piece even when is shot is “average”.
Couldn’t resist seeing The Poku Show in person, so in attendance today
“where’s the poll? same return. rather deal quick or obi?”
I don’t vote in that one. It’s like two election deniers running against each other. There’s no good outcome.
And just to spread random rumors, let’s not forget Rose lost 20 lbs over the offseason. As with Mitch overbulking at the start of last year, it’s very possible that’s affected him. He’s listed as 6’3″, 200. If he’s now 180, that’s pretty trim. And it’s not like he was soft, so a lot of that loss was muscle mass.
I’m not sure how much of this trade talk is real, but I feel like we have a LOT of time before the trade deadline and should learn as much as we can about these young players before doing anything.
I saw a couple of plays the other night where I was back to thinking there’s no way Obi is ready to be a starting PF on this team. Maybe he would be OK starting on a team where all they need is efficient but limited usage, but he’s too limited to count on every night. He’d be too easy to take out of the game. Of course, he’s going to get better, but we don’t know how much better or when. So we might as well wait and see.
Cam is improving, but he’s still without enough of a role on offense and very inconsistent.
We haven’t seen what Grimes can do at all.
Quick will be fine, but again, IMO he’s not a PG (at least yet).
IMO we should keep plodding along trying to get better and see where it all shakes out in a couple of months.
Great question, pt. For me, flip a coin. Probably slightly favor trading Obi, but with no conviction.
“At the same time IQ “good shooter” is a Knicks’ fans myth,
or at least 39.1% on 1400 shots seems to suggest that.”
If he was playing off the ball and he was the player the PG was kicking it out to, I think his 3P% would be a lot better than when he’s dribbling around trying to create something for himself or others.
Just to clarify, I think the ceiling for both IQ and Obi is 5th best starter on a really good team and that their most likely positive outcome is key bench piece. I just don’t see enough upside in either case to merit getting worked up about it, although from a likeablilty standpoint both are very fun to root for.
I wonder if IQ spent too much time in the weight room this offseason and is going through something like what Mitch went through at the beginning of last season, except just limited to his shooting. I look at the confidence with which 3pt shooters from other teams fire away and IQ just doesn’t seem to have that right now. He seems hyperfocused on getting by guys and that hurts him. Now if he could get consistent with pulling up from 3 to the point that he draws defenses a half-step closer to him, he will be more effective in getting into the paint. But it seems like he hesitates way too much.
I agree he’s a SG and not a PG.
And I hate when he probes the paint below the FT line and come back dribbling “in reverse” without shooting or passing, like a crazy yo-yo…
iq career 3p on 271 catch and shoot attempts is 38.7%, about 2 pts above avg over that span. a weird thing about iq is that his 3pt shot selection looks almost comically random to me. the only high volume shooter i can think of where i never have a clue if he’s going to shoot or attack a closeout. it’s like he’s gto’ing out there.
I’d need to be blown away in a deal to give up IQ. Much rather give up Obi (from a winning perspective, his dunks make this team tolerable at times).
IQ is a 36% shooter from 3 & 88% on FTs. He’s an excellent shooter, he just can’t get to the basket which deflates his fg%.
He shot better on pull-ups last season than he did on C&S 3s. The season before that it was the opposite.
Why do I have to choose?
Like picking between my kids