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  • Knicks legend Walt ‘Clyde’ Frazier to get Hall of Fame honor as broadcaster – New York Post
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  • Atlantic Notes: Knicks, Raptors, Celtics, Sumner – hoopsrumors.com
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  • Julius Randle all jacked up will excite Knicks fans – ClutchPoints
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  • NBA 2K23 New York Knicks Roster And Ratings – GameSpot
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  • Sing a New Song? Knicks Interested in Utah’s Bojan Bogdanovi? – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Thursday, September 8, 2022 4:15:06 PM

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  • WVU great Da’Sean Butler joins Miles McBride at Knicks – Empire Sports Media
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  • How Jeff Van Gundy Thinks the Knicks Could ‘Shock the World’ in NBA Playoffs – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Thursday, September 8, 2022 11:10:20 AM

    How Jeff Van Gundy Thinks the Knicks Could ‘Shock the World’ in NBA Playoffs  Sports Illustrated

  • Windhorst: Lakers Were Never Part of Knicks and Jazz’s Donovan Mitchell Trade Talks – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Thursday, September 8, 2022 10:02:35 AM

    Windhorst: Lakers Were Never Part of Knicks and Jazz’s Donovan Mitchell Trade Talks  Bleacher Report

  • Power Ranking Knicks’ Roster Entering 2022-23 NBA Season – Bleacher Report
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  • 6 reasons why Quentin Grimes should be more involved in Knicks’ rotation – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Thursday, September 8, 2022 8:00:00 AM

    6 reasons why Quentin Grimes should be more involved in Knicks’ rotation  Daily Knicks

  • 85 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2022.09.09)”

    Still trying to wrap my head around the alleged talks with Utah about Bogdanovic. I know we could use another forward and also more shooting, but I thought the goal was to free up more time on the wing for our younger players, not to add yet another guy who will take minutes away from Grimes and company.

    There are days where Leon’s whole Team of Rivals approach seems to be manifesting itself as various factions working at extreme cross purposes from one another.

    Agreed, Alan. That said, could I get on board with a Bogdanovic-for-Fournier swap? Why yes, I believe I could.

    But then again, they are much the same player, and Fournier is four years younger, so really no point to it. If they’d take Derrick Rose for Bogdanovic, it would be nice to have two of those pure shooter types, but don’t see a point for Utah with Conley still there.

    And Ainge wouldn’t go with something so simple and clean, anyway. There would have to be 14 or 15 draft picks attached for no reason. If it is a real story that such an acquisition of Bogdanovic is even in the discussion stages, I would think that the most interesting part of all of it is that Ainge and the Knicks are actually communicating at all after that DMitch debacle.

    Seems like Fournier and a draft pick for Bogdanovic would be the most likely construction and I think it makes some sense for us. Clears up the extreme logjam at SG – arguably the best position for RJ, Fournier, Grimes and IQ (and Brunson has played there a lot as well obviously) and gets us out of the last guaranteed year of Fournier’s deal. The devil would be in the details with regards to both how much draft compensation is included and how much ambition we have to dump Fournier’s money and use cap space next offseason. Obviously we would never trade an unprotected pick in that kind of deal and we can’t really trade our own picks protected since it seriously complicates our ability to do a big deal in the future but I don’t think it’s crazy to use one of our “extra” firsts in that kind of deal.

    “…….but I don’t think it’s crazy to use one of our “extra” firsts in that kind of deal.”

    ‘specially since we never use ’em to actually make any draft picks, anyway.

    There was a lot of talk about The Lakers being involved in the Mitchell to the Knicks trade. They want Cam and they also want to get rid of Russ. And there seems to be some interest on our end to get rid of Fournier and Randle. So I wonder if this Bogs talk with Utah isn’t still related to that.

    Like we won’t get Mitchell but maybe there is an easier deal that sends Fournier, Cam and Randle to the Lakers, Bogs to us and picks and Russ to Utah?

    “There are days where Leon’s whole Team of Rivals approach seems to be manifesting itself as various factions working at extreme cross purposes from one another.”

    This may seem harsh, but I think Rose and Wes are basically gloried fans with other talents suited to the business that put them in a position where they are over their heads and have no expertise.

    It’s hard to build a good team unless you are valuing the players correctly, fitting the pieces together correctly, and getting everyone on the same page as far as the long term plan goes.

    You need one guy at the top with a plan and enough basketball and salary/cap knowledge to take control and just solicit ideas and insights from the people reporting to him that may have certain expertise. This consensus stuff will not work.

    All that said, we are still positioned OK. Things have just been moving slower than we would have hoped because of the small errors along the way.

    I think the chances the Laker want Randle are pretty low. They could be interested in Fournier and Cam, but I think they are going to explore better options before looking at our players and I don’t see how it gets done anyway.

    Congrats to Clyde on another HOF honor – as a broadcaster. A true NYC treasure

    I don’t know if any of you guys do the NY Times Spelling Bee, but one of the pangrams (a word that uses all 7 letters) yesterday was “neophyte”.

    My favorite Clyde-ism – “the precocious neophyte”

    I don’t think Ainge will want Fournier and his extra year. To do any kind of deal for Bogdanovic I think a 3rd team that wants Fournier would have to involved.

    Lakers need shooting in the worst possible way. Fournier is a solid option for them.

    I think there is probably a big debate going on right now with our FO about what our next move is. Mitchell, for better or worse, was an “all in” move. Not that we would have been contenders but that move would have signaled the beginning of trying to really compete.

    Since we lost out on him, I bet the debate right now is between those who think we’re good enough to be a competitive playoff team and want to fortify the team (they think Randle will bounce back, etc.) and those who think we need to trade all the remaining vets (Randle, Fournier and Rose…in that order) and truly pivot around RJ/Brunson and if we end up missing the playoffs again then that’s not bad because we will get one more lottery pick.

    I would rather we go with the later option but it is dependent on someone wanting Randle and Fournier without asking for a lot in return (picks).

    I also think there is merit in just staying put for now. Yes, it means less minutes for Obi again but that’s partially on Thibs and at least Obi has an established role and baseline of minutes each game and hopefully Thibs keeps Randle on a tighter leash. The trade deadline will open up opportunities for us to trade these vets if we can’t do it now.

    “Lakers need shooting in the worst possible way. Fournier is a solid option for them.”

    IMO Bogs is the better option and 1 year less. If they can’t land him or someone else they might be interested, then they’ll get to Fournier.

    “So, how many unprotected firsts does Ainge want from the Knicks for Bogdanovich?”

    2 unprotected, 2 protected, 2 swaps, and lifetime courtside seats with free beer and franks that he plans on scalping at a profit.

    I don’t want Bojan at all. He’s 33 yo. And i agree with ‘Stam that moving RJ back to SG would be good, but we probably can do better than this to achieve that goal. Why not send Fournier and picks to Toronto for OG Anunoby?

    @deeefense

    Are the 2 unprotected, 2 protected, and 2 swaps what Ainge has asked for, or what Leon has offered so far but Ainge has rejected?

    I can’t imagine that Leon would ever go for the lifetime seats part. That’s a bridge too far…

    Guys, when thinking about the Lakers, have in mind that they have to unload 47M (Westbrook), meaning you have to send them 2 or 3 useful players for the trade to work money wise. Swift’s idea of Randle, Fournier and Cam is a good idea. I think they would give us one first for that deal, and i would do it. They’re replacing Westbrook with productive players, but we’re making a salary dump (or two, in fact), and that’s why this is only worth one pick.

    This means Bojan for Lakers, as Strat suggested, can’t be done straight up. Utah needs to send more players. But what do they have now that interest the Lakers? Maybe Clarkson. Maybe Beasley. And then some salary (Gay, Vanderbilt).

    Bojan has a .590 career TS%. Fournier is at .565.

    The Knicks struggled most with efficiency.

    With 1yr left on his deal, Bojan will interfere with the youth movement less than Fournier will.

    The price likely isnt worth it, but he’s a significant upgrade over Fournier.

    I’m not convinced the Lakers are as desperate to move Westbrook as everyone thinks.

    They can let him expire and retool around Lebron & AD in FA.

    I think the Lakers are much more likely to deal directly with Utah than they are to do a three-teamer bringing in us. It’s not just that Bogey’s contract is better for them than Fournier’s, but that Utah has a bunch of players (Clarkson, Beasley, Gay, even Conley) who would be useful to a Lakers all-in attempt to get one more championship before LeBron really ages. Fournier and Rose might also be helpful to them, but maybe not as much, and Randle seems like a lousy fit, especially since AD doesn’t like playing center too much.

    If Randle is going anywhere — and I doubt he is — it’s to Charlotte.

    I’m not convinced the Lakers are as desperate to move Westbrook as everyone thinks.

    They can let him expire and retool around Lebron & AD in FA.

    You just can’t waste a year of LeBron’s career, EB, especially if there is a more than reasonable chance that this could be the last year he plays at an All-NBA level. You’ve already screwed up your future with the AD trade and then the Russ trade, so may as well double-down and try to make this year’s team as good as it can possibly be, and hope your two stars stay healthy enough for a real playoff push.

    If we want to swap Fournier for Bojan that makes some sense, given our glut of two-guards and the extra year on Fournier’s deal.

    It doesn’t make sense to pay anything resembling a premium to do it. I’m not gaga about the value of our protected firsts, but I wouldn’t attach one of them to do make that trade. It might be worth 1-2 wins over the course of the season and then Bojan becomes a UFA at age 34. What’s the point?

    Realistically it smells of the front office in a low-grade panic, realizing the team as presently constructed isn’t very good but also isn’t bad and hastily trying to get a little better.

    I like the idea of moving RJ back to SG. Given he’s not that quick, I originally thought he’d be better off at SF where he’d be facing slightly slower players. But I think having the strength advantage against SGs was better in terms of finishing at the basket (at least at this stage).

    Bogdanović makes no sense long term, but Fournier doesn’t either. If you can swap Fournier for Bogdanović you gain 1 year in terms of salary, can move RJ back to SG, and still have the shooter you need. Bogs can also play a little PF.

    The problem is cost.

    I don’t want to rack my brain this Friday afternoon. I’d rather drink beer. But maybe something can be worked out where LA gets Fournier and Cam (who they are supposedly interested in), we get Bogs, and Utah gets a pick or player they want from LA. That way we don’t give up a pick and solve the Cam issue if he wants out.

    I guess my view on it is that next year having a roster comprised of:

    (1) LBJ
    (2) AD
    (3) Max Christie
    (4) 2023 draft pick
    (5) $40M to spend in FA

    Then they’re going to have a better title shot, even after standing pat for a year, than whatever distressed assets they get for Westbrook, especially if they give up their only draft capital.

    If nothing else, $40M in FA is almost certainly a better title shot than Fournier and Randle.

    Moving RJ Barrett to the 2 makes zero sense because the one player we never offered in trade talks should be the starting shooting guard.

    Bogdanovic only makes sense coming in *if* Randle is going out. Brunson, Grimes, Barrett, Bogey, and Mitch would be very very fun and by mid-season Obi Toppin could take his place in the starting five.

    Also this never happens. The Knicks and Jazz will not be making any trades as long as Danny Ainge is running that team.

    So Lakers are cool to waste another year of Lebron’s career? Really?

    I mean, I know Lebron is the GOAT and all but he is OLD. Can’t just assume a year from now he’s still going to be as good as he is now. He’s at the age where at any moment he could turn into a pumpkin.

    And AD ain’t exactly young either. If Lebron and AD are both healthy this season, Lakers absolutely should be all in NOW and not waste another year.

    I know we are all super sour on Randle after the shit he pulled this year. But Cam, Fournier and Randle gives them an elite 3 point shooter, a power forward who can average 20 and 10 in a down year and a young prospect who still has an outside chance of becoming an extremely good and versatile player.

    People keep saying they have better options but if they really did, wouldn’t those deals be done by now?

    So Lakers are cool to waste another year of Lebron’s career? Really?

    I mean, I know Lebron is the GOAT and all but he is OLD. Can’t just assume a year from now he’s still going to be as good as he is now. He’s at the age where at any moment he could turn into a pumpkin.

    And AD ain’t exactly young either. If Lebron and AD are both healthy this season, Lakers absolutely should be all in NOW and not waste another year.

    I know we are all super sour on Randle after the shit he pulled this year. But Cam, Fournier and Randle gives them an elite 3 point shooter, a power forward who can average 20 and 10 in a down year and a young prospect who still has an outside chance of becoming an extremely good and versatile player.

    People keep saying they have better options but if they really did, wouldn’t those deals be done by now? Hell, if we throw in Rose, we’d also give them a very good back up PG who can close out games.

    The Lakers are angling to steal Kyrie Irving from the Nets, so I don’t think they’ll do anything to compromise their cap space. If I were the Lakers, I’d be trying to turn Westbrook’s salary into all three of Myles Turner, Bogdanovic, and Evan Fournier. Two of those contracts are expiring and all fit like a glove with what the Lakers are trying to do. It’s crazy that I’m saying this (because this is not something I would have expected 3 years ago), but building their next “group” around Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis feels way too risky. One guy is a constant flight risk and the other guy is made of paper mache.

    If nothing else, $40M in FA is almost certainly a better title shot than Fournier and Randle.

    It can net them Kyrie, and if that’s the case i understand why they’ll keep Westbrook.

    “Moving RJ Barrett to the 2 makes zero sense because the one player we never offered in trade talks should be the starting shooting guard.

    Bogdanovic only makes sense coming in *if* Randle is going out. Brunson, Grimes, Barrett, Bogey, and Mitch would be very very fun and by mid-season Obi Toppin could take his place in the starting five.

    Also this never happens. The Knicks and Jazz will not be making any trades as long as Danny Ainge is running that team.”

    Was going to write an abbreviated version of this. If they get rid of Randle, Boggie can play and would be a fascinating back-up stretch-4 behind Obi, creating a totally different team, and one that might actually be functional. But as said, it won’t happen.

    I think it makes a lot of sense for the Lakers to take a look at what they have with their current roster before pushing in any more chips. AD really hasn’t consistently shown that 1B to Lebron’s 1A form since the bubble and Lebron is obviously a massive ongoing risk for a steep drop-off at any point. Who knows what the rest of that roster can give them, there’s a lot more questions than answers there.

    I think it would be pretty sensible for them to bring their current group into camp and see how Lebron and AD look, see if by any chance Russ has had his come to Jesus moment, see if any of their bit guys take a step forward and then decide if they really want to bet those two unprotected 1sts on this team. Most of the trades that have been floated for Russ and the two firsts (including some kind of Randle based deal) seem pretty likely to be there in a couple of months and I think there’s a not insignificant chance that you end up looking at what you have and concluding that adding even a couple of nice players in place of Russ doesn’t make much of a difference because Lebron has finally lost the fastball or because AD just doesn’t have it or whatever.

    “This may seem harsh, but I think Rose and Wes are basically gloried fans with other talents suited to the business that put them in a position where they are over their heads and have no expertise.”

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    /jumps up and down, vociferously touching nose.

    They’re going to give up an unprotected 1 for a 33-year-old dude, aren’t they?

    You can’t move RJ back to shooting guard with this current roster, because Grimes is too small to play big minutes at SF, and Derrick Rose is blocking IQ from getting backup point guard minutes.

    Bogey makes no sense to me unless it is a straight swap for Fournier, no added sweeteners (which I doubt Ainge would accept), and the plan is to have him back up both forward spots.

    Hey JK— not sure if it’s up your alley or not (discograffiti didn’t get to expand out from rock/pop/brief hip-hop during my tenure as a listener) but Lang Lang is teaching a master class (!) at my kids’ music school in downtown LA on Sunday, and it is free and open to the public, no ticket required.

    Thanks for the tip, Donnie! Lang Lang is a joyous musician, and so astonshingly versatile. What I love about him most is that he “goes for it” more than most classical pianists. He’s not afraid to occasionally glance a wrong note if it means he can play the passage with more passion. Many classical players are very clean and clinical, and he’s not like that, he’s a very emotional player. Love him. He really brings those pieces to life.

    I’m going to try to make it to that masterclass. I wish my 4-year old was a little bit older and better behaved so he could come with me.

    “Moving RJ Barrett to the 2 makes zero sense because the one player we never offered in trade talks should be the starting shooting guard.”

    As currently constructed, I’m in favor of trying exactly that, but it’s conditional.

    If Grimes is knocking down 3s in the 38%- 40% range, scoring in other ways, and defending well, that makes perfect sense. If he’s primarily there for defensive purposes next to Brunson and we are playing RJ at SF because “we have to”, I’m not so sure that makes sense. I think it’s more important to maximize RJ than make sure Grimes is on the court. He has to earn his way onto the court.

    “Bogey makes no sense to me unless it is a straight swap for Fournier, no added sweeteners (which I doubt Ainge would accept), and the plan is to have him back up both forward spots.”

    Alan,

    Would you have problem with giving up Cam instead of a pick?

    I want to see more of Cam, but if he’s unhappy and isn’t going to play much, if we could make him part of some deal to add value, trading him now would be better than giving up a pick.

    Bojan has a .590 career TS%. Fournier is at .565.

    The Knicks struggled most with efficiency.

    With 1yr left on his deal, Bojan will interfere with the youth movement less than Fournier will.

    The price likely isnt worth it, but he’s a significant upgrade over Fournier.

    As you note, Bojan is an extremely efficient player, and thus, his price will not be cheap. I don’t see any way the Knicks get him for anything they should pay. It’d be hilarious, though, if they gave Utah an unprotected first for Bojan. I mean, that’d be one of the funniest trades ever.

    I initially saw this Bogdanovic thing in an article that read “Knicks interested in Bogdanovic and Theis”, and immediately thought of a 3 teamer involving Randle to Indy. But them I thought that wouldn’t be so good because you’d have to play Theis as the backup 4, and he can’t guard modern 4’s. I’d rather stick Sims there next to Hartenstein. So that idea would mean having a 3rd C making 8 mil. That is the only way I’d take a trade for Bogdanovic, but it doesn’t seem productive to land him however you land him. Looks good for future cap if you do so using Fournier though. Cap be damned- I think I’d still rather have Fournier.

    If growing the youth is the plan until another star is attainable, then I’d rather move only Randle and Fournier, and keep Cam. But how the hell is Rose supposed to pull that off? It’s bad enough that Rose is likely gonna have to attach a prime asset to move Randle and make room for Obi. It looks to me like our only options to do that is offer Randle and Fournier or Rose for Russ, or get Indy involved in a 3 teamer. I’m not fans of either move. Not that it’s a horrible position to be in because we have so many picks, but Randle’s deal isn’t an albatross with the cap goin up- so it sucks that his trade value has cratered like it has. All we can really hope is that Randle can increase his value by the trade deadline because we are likely stuck with this roster for another season.

    Let us please all remember that he *is* 33 years old, and we all know that players age by three years immediately upon being added to the Knicks roster, so he’d probably go over the cliff and average 7.4 points on .393 shooting (.342 from 3) next season if we trade for him.

    “Let us please all remember that he *is* 33 years old, and we all know that players age by three years immediately upon being added to the Knicks roster, so he’d probably go over the cliff and average 7.4 points on .393 shooting (.342 from 3) next season if we trade for him.”

    We don’t want him to play basketball long term.

    We want him to replace Fournier, get rid of 1 year, and have more flexibility with how we use our players this year because he’s a legitimate SF/PF and we have a lot of undersized players in the SG/SF area.

    Yeah, I can see the merits of it. I’d feel slightly better having Bogs on the roster instead of Fournier, but only slightly, and only if no one other than Fournier, Rose, or Randle go out the door somehow. I go back and forth on Cam—I think we need to see what we have in him and he should play 12-15 minutes per game. But if Thibs isn’t going to play him at all and cannot be forced to do so, Cam might as well go away.

    I read what I just wrote, and I take it back. Because if Thibs isn’t going to play Obi/IQ/Grimes/a little bit of Deuce at all, then I wouldn’t advocate for any of those players going away. I’d much more readily advocate for Thibs going away. I *want* to like Thibs, but the man’s rotations and playing of vets over young guys when we are down by 28 points with two minutes left in a game are just infuriating.

    the lakers do not want julius randle. horrendous fit, repeater tax hell in the out years, not exactly bffs w lebron. not happening.

    play in tournament as described seems dumb.

    If our youngsters look promising after a mediocre 37wins season imagine how they’ll look after a successful one.
    One more year of structured-Thibs Heavy D-hard fought bball would “possibly” upgrade their value unless DRose has another mvp season or Fournier becomes the most improved player ever!
    In other words:
    KBing KBong!

    paying a first to transform fournier into bojan is an obvious no for me. fournier’s contract
    gets much better a year from now when it’s expiring and the cap is $134mm,
    and might not even be negative value at that at point. the upswap to 34 year bojan for one year is irrelevant to most teams. and definitely to us. he’s still a fun offensive player, but he’s already heading toward joe ingles water aerobics playoff defense. would be a silly deal.

    Anyone have thoughts on the new Giants coaches? Anything doing or is it pointless until Jones goes away?

    I’m glad we can all agree the only player on this roster worth flipping for Bogey is Julius Randle.

    And yes, I would attach a protected first to Julius Randle to make that trade happen.

    EB, so far it seems like the Giants are in good hands, but it also seemed that way to a degree at this point in the Joe Judge era. (i.e., Judge came across as competent, but the team was still run by Gettleman). Daboll understands what a modern offense looks like, Wink Martindale should be able to get more out of the defense if our defensive backfield doesn’t get any thinner, and the offensive line no longer scares me. But this also very much looks like a Take Your Medicine kind of year, because Gettleman just did so much damage to the team’s foundations.

    My hope is for some level of competence to be displayed, even as the team loses enough games to be in position to draft Danny Dimes’ replacement. Unless the guy plays absolutely lights-out, I can’t imagine Schoen keeping him around.

    >the upswap to 34 year bojan for one year is irrelevant to most teams. <

    It's not the up swap that I am interested in.

    We have no real SF other than Reddish, but from what we've seen he's not the answer (at least not now). RJ is there by default, but IMO, he has been having trouble finishing in part because he's often being defended by taller stronger players than he would be at SG.

    So the question becomes, "Is there way to move RJ back to SG to see if his strength advantage there translates into better play?"

    Bogs is a legit SF. He make no sense long term, but neither does Fournier. Bogs is just a better fit and gives us more flexibility because we are kind of undersized at PG, SG, and SF.

    I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for a 1 year rental experiment either, but I might be talked into giving up Cam if he has no role here and he wants out anyway. Otherwise he's going to walk at the end of the year for nothing. We might as well try to get some value for him. If the still like him and plan on playing him forget it.

    And of course if Grimes comes to camp and look great, that would throw another monkey wrench into the thinking.

    For some reason if we desperately needed to play RJ at the 2 we could just not play Fournier at all.

    I can justify these reasons for trade during this time of the season:
    1 Trading for a special player
    2 getting rid of the dickheads
    3 gathering draft picks

    If Randle has his mind in his head and doesn’t fuck up team’s coherence and peace i won’t mind keeping him.

    Can’t imagine the Giants are really going to try to win this year especially if they get off to a bad start. If they think Danny Dimes is not the guy then they need a new QB and that means it’s time to start losing.

    “For some reason if we desperately needed to play RJ at the 2 we could just not play Fournier at all.”

    Who plays SF?

    The only legit SF sized player we have is Reddish. That was probably part of the thinking for why they wanted him to begin with. We have a lot of undersized players in the backcourt and on the wings (a point I bored you all to death with when Mitchell was in play).

    I viewed Bogdanovic as a backup that we need not as a result placement for someone. I still see Barrett and Randle as the starting forwards. We should give up something minor for him like we did for Rose.

    i’d go with hunt before reddish on the roster…

    reddish has great athletic talent, but slow motor, kind of sullen energy…

    hunt is just happy to be here and has a balanced game and good size…

    Check out their rendition of “All About That Bass” on YouTube. I think you’ll enjoy the show.

    Sounds like I’m getting back into the Giants at a good time. Maybe bad this year but on the upswing

    hey cyber…i hope all is well for you and the family 🙂

    i don’t know what happened, i was able to log in and post after the site update, but suddenly couldn’t post a few days ago…figured i was banned for one inane post too many 😛

    it was a bit a challenging week and thought to myself – self, looks like you picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue…

    so i’m back to posting, and all is well in the world…

    hey cyber…i hope all is well for you and the family 🙂

    Well, we’re having a little bit of an inflation problem here in europe (i don’t know what things cost anymore), but besides that we’re fine, thanks. How are you and the family?

    so i’m back to posting, and all is well in the world…

    And that’s great, i love your posts. About the “banning”, this looks to be happening randomly, no? Z-man said the same thing. Better think of a new name, just in case… maybe SuperSoze! 😀
    KYN is above this, nowadays he changes the screen name every day. 😉

    i’d vote for trying obi at the 3, not sure how he’d fair getting 10 to 15 minutes a game there, but he needs to play, julius will get 30 plus minutes at the 4…the 5 is filled up…

    so yeah…

    you up late or up early 😮

    glad to hear you are well, you seem to stay pretty well, i have no doubt you probably have organized your life very well…sorry to hear about the money squeeze…it’s here too…

    family wise, folks are good, ma’s foot has healed up and she’s back out on the town daily…

    kids are good…they have a big family that’s really close…one of the tough things i’ve come to learn from their large and very close family – goodness gracious but it hits hard on them when a family member passes…with such a large extended family it happens too often…to people too young…

    work’s been okay…it kind of sucks now that i’ve changed roles…folks used to come to me all the time for help, i’m just a noob now trying to figure out my job…

    the anxiety stuff is getting better…it’s going to be a long journey though…

    hey how about you cyber – any music or sport events in the future for you?

    any recent memorable dining out joys?

    KYN is above this, nowadays he changes the screen name every day. 😉#

    Besides testing the endless possibilities of the new blog i perform username art while also break the boundaries of seriousness and having fun during the dog days before nba season starts!

    I kind of like that everyone is changing their screen names all willy-nilly and crazy-like, although I have no intentions of changing mine unless some force of cybertechnology forces me to do so.

    The reason I kind of like it?: Because this way we can respond to what people actually write without any built-in biases about who they are, or any pre-determined notions about them.

    And by the way, the way I’m thinking about the word “biases” in my head, it’s pronounced that fancy science-y way: bai-ah-SEAS. So, yeah.

    The only thing that stops me from posting as James Dollar and Leon Rostbeef creating Havoc, Mayhem, Head scratching and Disorientation in Kb is this bloody avatar that betrays me every time!

    I swear to you I had the exact same thought as you do doogie…

    at some point though, the venue became less about opinions, who’s right, who’s wrong, who’s got the biggest brain, who has the best writing style and such…

    for myself, it evolved more in to observing and interacting with other folks, pretty interesting folks at that, and following along on their journey…that’s where the true treasure be 🙂

    if ya wanna blame someone for some of these disjointed tangents, blame jowles – he did it…

    speaking of which, I hope all is well for you out there oh honorable one…

    I find the name changes very disorienting. But it’s ok.

    My oldest son Carlos is doing some amazing shit right now.

    That’s very non-contextual. That could mean that he’s writing amazing code and applications, that he’s creating amazing new music, or that he’s in the other room smoking some amazing weed. Or all of the above at once. Please to ‘splain.

    He is in the fifth set of his third consecutive US Open match with a chance to be the youngest Slam champ in 20 years and #1 in the world.

    I took a trip to Mercia 20 years ago I never told anyone about.

    Definitely worth watching

    Not a fun time to be a Mets or Yanks fan. Mets don’t hit and Braves do not lose. Using DeGrom and Scherzer in a wild card series no bueno.

    I viewed Bogdanovic as a backup that we need not as a result placement for someone. I still see Barrett and Randle as the starting forwards. We should give up something minor for him like we did for Rose.

    Well, if you’re viewing Bodganovic as a backup on a mediocre team, then yes, you really shouldn’t be trading for him, since he’s one of the most valuable trade assets on the market right now.

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