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Knicks Morning News (2022.09.04)

  • REPORT: Butler Joins Knicks Staff – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 4:38:18 PM

    REPORT: Butler Joins Knicks Staff  Sports Illustrated

  • NBA Rumors: This Knicks-Lakers Trade Features Derrick Rose – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 4:33:29 PM

    NBA Rumors: This Knicks-Lakers Trade Features Derrick Rose  NBA Analysis Network

  • NBA Rumors This Cavs-Knicks Trade Features Caris LeVert – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 4:18:47 PM

    NBA Rumors This Cavs-Knicks Trade Features Caris LeVert  NBA Analysis Network

  • Trade rumor rankings: Mike Conley, Russell Westbrook and more – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 3:45:10 PM

    Trade rumor rankings: Mike Conley, Russell Westbrook and more  Hoops Hype

  • Could Knicks’ Desire to ‘Win Now’ Neglect Younger Players? – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 1:00:17 PM

    Could Knicks’ Desire to ‘Win Now’ Neglect Younger Players?  Sports Illustrated

  • WVU Great Da’Sean Butler Hired by New York Knicks as Video Coordinator – WV Sports Now
    [wvsportsnow.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 12:54:23 PM

    WVU Great Da’Sean Butler Hired by New York Knicks as Video Coordinator  WV Sports Now

  • Bill Simmons speculates on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s trade availability and if the Knicks should pursue him – Yahoo Sports
    [sports.yahoo.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 12:00:30 PM

    Bill Simmons speculates on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s trade availability and if the Knicks should pursue him  Yahoo SportsReport: Knicks Weren’t Convinced RJ Barrett Was Worth Big Contract Early in Summer  Bleacher ReportOnto the Next One: Could Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Help Knicks More Than Donovan Mitchell?  Sports IllustratedDonovan Mitchell trade: Knicks whiff on another star, but RJ Barrett and future flexibility worth more  CBS SportsKnicks: 3 reasons to rejoice after losing Donovan Mitchell trade  ClutchPointsView Full Coverage on Google News

  • The Knicks, despite their troublesome recent ? – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 8:05:43 AM

    The Knicks, despite their troublesome recent ?  Hoops Hype

  • 2 Julius Randle trades Knicks could consider after Donovan Mitchell news – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 8:00:00 AM

    2 Julius Randle trades Knicks could consider after Donovan Mitchell news  Daily Knicks

  • Knicks Star RJ Barrett Disrespected in Recent Rankings – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Sunday, September 4, 2022 1:31:21 AM

    Knicks Star RJ Barrett Disrespected in Recent Rankings  Heavy.com

  • Report: Gersson Rosas Was Main Negotiator for Knicks in Donovan Mitchell Trade Talks – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Saturday, September 3, 2022 11:18:57 PM

    Report: Gersson Rosas Was Main Negotiator for Knicks in Donovan Mitchell Trade Talks  Bleacher Report

    • 17 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2022.09.04)”

    is tomorrow finally today…

    of all the holidays here in the states, hands down Labor Day is my favorite…

    beyond my appreciation for its theme, I love that there are minimal expectations for participation, in anything…

    yeah, go labor day…

    I’m excited for the Shai talk…I’m skeptical of his health and whether he can lead out on the floor…

    I need to look at his numbers some…

    Hey, JK, since it’s august in the nba, and this site is all dressed up with nowhere to go, and discograffiti is dead to me now, how would you rank the following:

    a) The Heartbreakers
    b) The Silver Bullet Band
    c) Crazy Horse
    d) The E Street Band
    e) The News
    f) The Range

    I’d have to rank the E Street Band at the top of the list. They win on sheer musical talent and charisma, and they were an integral part of a lot of really great records.

    The Heartbreakers (I assume Tom Petty’s backing band and not the CBGB outfit led by Johnny Thunders) would be #2. Mike Campbell and Benmont Tench can hang with their E Street counterparts Nils Lofgren and Roy Bittan for sure.

    Crazy Horse ranks a very strong #3, and are kind of an apples and oranges comparison to the great backing bands that rank above them. They’re way more rough around the edges, they have that explosive garagey sound. Depending on your criteria you could rank them #1.

    The News and the Silver Bullet band are kind of a push, both are perfectly competent backing bands that lack a distinct character or notable standout players.

    Coming in behind them are The Range, with their whistle-clean MOR stylings that pair well with a glass of chardonnay and give off a vague scent of vanilla-flavored Yankee Candle.

    Built To Spill were really poised for greatness there for a minute– they had those three great first albums: There’s Nothing Wrong With Love, Perfect From Now On, and Keep It Like A Secret. Those three really hold up.

    To me, they fell completely off a cliff after that, as their records just degenerated into mid-tempo meanderings that were devoid of hooks and memorable parts. I feel like Tame Impala has followed a similar arc– three really strong albums followed by a distillation of their formula into something bland and indistinct.

    One of my best friends is a Built To Spill fanatic. She doesn’t really keep up with new music that much anymore except for when there’s a new BTS release every five years or whatever. She’s a true believer. She doesn’t even really like any of their post-Keep It Like A Secret albums, but she keeps giving them that benefit of the doubt.

    Wow, we have the morning news bot up again. We have the polls, although not tested yet. This was a fantastic job! Thank you very much, Mike K! 🙂 And yeah, if you set up a GoFundMe page i’ll do my part too. 😉 Adjusted to my reality, of course, as we here in Portugal don’t earn the same as you guys in the US. 😛

    I’m excited for the Shai talk…

    Me too, Geo. It’ll be weeks of great analysis of what our team would be able to achieve with Shai, just for him to go to Detroit at the last minute. To go form a big 3 super backcourt with Cade and Ivey. 😛

    Pretty depressing Macri newsletter today: https://knicksfilmschool.substack.com/p/not-great-leon?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share

    Gist is: 1)Leon really wanted Mitchell and was shocked when Ainge didn’t give them one last chance to counter, 2)The FO overestimated the value of all the protected picks they’ve acquired, 3)The plan remains trying to win as many games as possible, even if it means not playing the kids as much (and finding out what Obi, IQ, et al can do given free rein).

    Nothing is particularly new here, but to see it all laid out by one of the team’s most relentless optimists was pretty sobering. So we have to root for one of these outcomes:

    1)RJ and/or other kids make such a leap that the team is good as a result of them, and Thibs can’t resist playing them over Randle, Fournier, and Rose.

    2)One or more of our remaining vets gets hurt, forcing Thibs’ hands re: the rotation. (I am not holding my breath for a trade, though Macri suggested that at least some in the front office are now willing to attach a pick to unload Randle.)

    3)The team plays awfully, resulting in the firing of Thibs and/or the team getting a good pick in what seems to be a stacked lottery.

    So we more or less have to hope for the FO and coach’s plan to implode. As a former Yankee manager liked to say, it’s not what you want.

    I hope it’s option #1, Alan. But if it’s #3, and although Leon didn’t make any grave mistake, he’ll be just another POBO/GM that won’t be here longer than 3 seasons, like the majority of his predecessors of the Dolan era.

    Built To Spill were really poised for greatness there for a minute

    Could it be the difference between bands that achieve greatness and those that don’t (at least in the indie-rock world) is the ability to put on a good live show? Like if this is what a polished BTS concert looks like after 30 years of touring, what the heck did they do on stage in the early 90s?

    I put BTS into the category of “was around in the 90s, but I didn’t bother learning about them until the 00s” with Luna, and Beulah.

    One of my best friends is a Built To Spill fanatic. She doesn’t really keep up with new music that much anymore except for when there’s a new BTS release every five years or whatever. She’s a true believer. She doesn’t even really like any of their post-Keep It Like A Secret albums, but she keeps giving them that benefit of the doubt.

    If this isn’t an analogy for being a New York Knicks fan, I don’t know what is.

    JK47 you have real talent for writing about music. It’s not just your knowledge but you have an excellent way of making something complex sound simple so a lay person can understand. Ever since you explained “the pocket” to me I listen to music in a whole new way.

    Also lines like this are priceless:

    their whistle-clean MOR stylings that pair well with a glass of chardonnay and give off a vague scent of vanilla-flavored Yankee Candle.

    I’m excited for the Shai talk…

    It would be fitting if the next guy we target is another player we could have drafted the year we selected a bust.

    SGA has missed 12, 37, and 26 games since playing 82 in his rookie season. I haven’t done a deep dive on the reasons but that strikes me as a concern.

    Our front office seems to work well with Presti. Our two trades with him were the two best trades this regime has made.

    I get the sense that Presti is more of “let’s work together and create a fair deal where no one gets ripped off” kind of guy, as opposed to a “pig” like Ainge. He did set a new market high with the PG trade, but he smartly framed that as “you’re getting Kawhi in this trade, too.” It was a fair deal.

    So we more or less have to hope for the FO and coach’s plan to implode.

    On the bright side, it almost always does.

    From the Macri newsletter Alan linked to:

    The plethora of news and rumors flying around has been dizzying, but I’ve digested it all, and I think I can pretty much sum it all up as follows:

    Donovan Mitchell isn’t a Knick because the assets the Jazz coveted the most – distant future unprotected Knicks picks, and to a lesser extent, swaps of the same ilk – were the same assets New York most steadfastly refused to give up1. Leon Rose & Co. valued their ability to retain control of their own future draft equity significantly more than any single player on the roster, and throughout the entirety of this negotiation, attempted to complete a trade on those terms. As such, they tried to force the Jazz into getting their value in this trade from those young players instead of the thing they actually wanted. Utah never relented, refusing to accept New York’s value priorities and terms. The Jazz held firm, believing a) that the Knicks would eventually find their way back to the top of the lottery and b) that they needed to be the ones to take advantage when they did. And if Utah did have to relent on the future picks, they’d only do so on a deal that included both of the young wings on New York’s roster, in part to ensure they’d be able to recoup additional picks by flipping those young players somewhere down the line. When the Cavs gave them what they wanted, they had no reason to go back to the Knicks, as the bridge would have been too far to gap. And if it fucked over the front office who so flagrantly laid bare its intentions by showing up at Game 1 of Utah / Dallas, why, that was just the cherry on top.

    That’s it. Anything else you see is conjecture and spin.

    Wow. That is not the picture of Cool Hand Luke. That’s the work of a rank amateur.

    It basically says Utah wanted what NY wasn’t willing to give but Cleveland was. It seems like the market worked. The two teams whose needs and assets matched what was available ended up making the deal. I don’t find that shocking nor dismaying.

    And If you want to hear why Cleveland might not end up that good and that NY probably made the correct decision, you can listen the the new Dunc’d On podcast. They expressed skepticism of Cleveland’s new line up much better than I did. Not that they think Cleveland will be bad or necessarily made the wrong decision, they just think they might not be great despite their four really talented players.

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