Knicks Morning News (2017.11.19)

  • [NYDN] With Porzingis struggling, Knicks need to find 2nd scoring option
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54:47 PM)

    After an otherworldly start to this season, Kristaps Porzingis has looked surprisingly human over his past three games.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis shakes off 3-for-13 shooting night
    (Sunday, November 19, 2017 12:21:16 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis probably wasn’t going to average exactly 30 points per game all season.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Jeff Hornacek has more freedom without Phil Jackson
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:50:07 PM)

    MORE FREEDOM, LESS TRIANGLE

  • [SNY Knicks] Noah, yet to make season debut, ‘understands’ situation
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:45:04 AM)

    Joakim Noah ‘understands’ the situation that has disallowed him to make his season debut despite being eligible again.

  • [NYPost] Safaris to boxing: How Kristaps Porzingis spent his summer
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:38:55 PM)

    From safaris to boxing, it was an eclectic summer for Kristaps Porzingis beyond the European Championships. Though LeBron James now knows he can’t mess with Enes Kanter and Frank Ntilikina, King James may need to be wary of “The Lion King’’ after Porzingis spent his summer increasing his strength, warding off wild animals and donning…

  • [NYPost] Michael Beasley can get buckets but not from the Knicks’ bench
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:53:43 AM)

    Michael Beasley is no longer in a swaggering state of braggadocio, no longer talking about himself as “a walking bucket.’’ The Knicks forward has seen too much time on the pine. The free-agent signee has failed to get consistent minutes in Jeff Hornacek’s rotation. “I think everybody wishes they played more — except the guys…

  • [NYPost] Doug McDermott on great shooters, the Garden and being single in NYC
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:39:11 AM)

    Knicks forward Doug McDermott takes a shot at some Q&A with Post columnist Steve Serby. Q: Have you been doubted all your life? A: A little bit. I was a kid that wasn’t very highly recruited in high school just ’cause my dad was a coach, and they assumed I was gonna play for him…

  • 28 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.11.19)”

    continued from yesterday…

    If you look at the move and say to yourself “we won this both short and long term” they should do it.

    Yeah. That’s easy to say, but it’s rarely how it works. Most trades fall into a few categories. The best trades are when two team adjust roster balance by trading for each other’s overabundance in certain areas. A trade like that has us trading away a big for a point guard. I’ll do that trade. Another type of trade is an “opportunity” trade. The Eric Bledsoe trade was the latest one of those. Carmelo Anthony was also one such trade. I’m OK with those trades. The other class of trade is giving up tomorrow for today. I won’t do that trade.

    Thing is, Jack, Sessions and Ron are so terrible that many team’s backup points would represent a dramatic upgrade.

    Begley:

    Kristaps Porzingis won’t blame elbow issue for subpar shooting (34%) in last 3 games: “Maybe I didn’t make exactly the right decision when I’m attacking….I got to fix all the little details…. The elbow is not bothering me at all. I don’t want to blame it on the elbow.”

    @3

    The issue is who is that guy and how much will he cost.

    A guy like Cory Joseph for example would be a decent fit and he’s definitely an upgrade over Jack, and he’s on a pretty reasonable deal, but why would Indiana trade him? For Willy straight up? Lance or Lee are unlikely to be enough on their own too, maybe O’Quinn? But then they would be the ones with a glut of centers on the team. George Hill? Might be completely done and has a sizable contract. Jordan Clarkson, Tyler Johnson, Ish Smith and Dellavedova are way overpaid, Dinwiddie is not available with injuries to Lin and Russell, maybe Delon Wright or Vanvleet?

    It’s rough trying to find a guy who’s not overpaid, too old or too expensive in terms of what he would command in a trade.

    Sure, Bruno. But someone like that is going to shake loose this season. They always do. Just a matter of waiting for the moment.

    David Lee retired. Was one of our only bright spots in a dark dark era. Wish the trade to the Warriors hasn’t been such a bust.

    @6

    That’s the best option, I agree. Wait and see how the season goes and use Jack just to hold the fort. Who knows, maybe Ntilikina shows progress in his shooting and handle and becomes a starter by the all star game, maybe Ron can actually contribute anything, maybe Burke will eventually merit a call up?

    I just think there’s no reason to get desperate. Losing games was always expected anyway of this team and the main focus should still be in development and improvement of KP, Frank, Dotson (who should be playing more) and the other guys. Take a good deal if it presents itself and that’s it.

    Even if the Knicks dont reach the top 5 in the draft, there’s plenty intriguing wings and PGs in the 6th to 14th range. There’s Duval, Bridges, Sexton, Knox, Diallo, Lonnie Walker, Bruce Brown…

    Yeah. That’s easy to say, but it’s rarely how it works.

    I didn’t say it happens often.

    I’m saying if it doesn’t happen you should say “no” and if the opportunity is there you should say “yes” and not pass because you think tanking is a good idea. IMO, the only tanking strategies that make sense are trading short term value for long term value and when players are similar going with the younger players.

    If Hardaway can’t play tomorrow, who starts in his place? McBuckets? Lance? Dotson, to keep the rotations intact?

    Congrats to David Lee on a very solid career. He was my biggest crush and taught me a lot about the balance between box score stats and defensive value. He got paid, got a ring, and got the babe. He done good and was always a class act, very happy for him.

    I’m surprised and not surprised that no one picked David Lee up. He was still very productive last year off the bench, but it goes to show you how no one wants a PF that can’t shoot 3s anymore. There’s no market at all for traditional PFs.

    Or there’s almost no market for traditional ones who can’t play defense. Udoh and other non-shooters have value on the other end, but Lee is antithetical to so much of what offense is about now. And he’s not a good defender.

    Favorite post-90’s moment at MSG: the David Lee tip in vs. Charlotte in 2006. I was there with my 14 year old son, and we went totally crazy, along with the entire Garden crowd.

    Remember when David Lee was the first NBA player to have a 30/20/10 game since Kareem in 1976 and the Knicks still lost (to a terrible Warriors team) because they fucking sucked?

    Damn, I forgot Bill Walker even existed!

    My favorite memory of Lee will always be the first (and only) game I ever watched in MSG, 2008, Knicks against the defending champions Spurs, the Jamal / Z-Bo / Curry team. Jamal was rolling and Z-Bo was literally shooting the Knicks out of the game, while Lee came out of the bench and was a huge part of why the game went to OT. The Knicks were up by 3 at the very end until Finley tied it with .4 remaining and obviously the Knicks got trashed in OT, but it was very hype and made me appreciate Lee so much as a player (and hate Z-Bo a lot more).

    My favorite memory of Lee will always be the first (and only) game I ever watched in MSG, 2008, Knicks against the defending champions Spurs, the Jamal / Z-Bo / Curry team. Jamal was rolling and Z-Bo was literally shooting the Knicks out of the game, while Lee came out of the bench and was a huge part of why the game went to OT. The Knicks were up by 3 at the very end until Finley tied it with .4 remaining and obviously the Knicks got trashed in OT, but it was very hype and made me appreciate Lee so much as a player (and hate Z-Bo a lot more).

    Probably Renaldo Balkman’s most embarrassing moment as a Knick is the wide open look he gave to Finley on that three. I was at that game, too! It was brutal.

    The tip-in is probably my favorite David Lee memory, as well, but I was at the Phoenix Suns game when Larry Brown was bizarrely trying to play Lee, Z-Bo and Curry all together in the front court (yes, David Lee was playing the 3 for the New York Knicks) but the Knicks somehow beat the Nash/STAT/Marion Suns in double overtime. That game was pretty freakin’ awesome.

    DLee was one of the few bright spots in a very dark Knick era. He was a team-first guy who always gave a damn, even as his selfish teammates jogged around and jacked up shots. I was furious when Isiah traded for ZBo, which took away Lee’s starting spot.

    He was a less explosive Blake Griffin on offense, and Steve Novak on defense. He was just never able to stretch out to the 3 point line, which limited his offensive value, while his defensive value remained brutal.

    But he’ll always be one of my faves.

    @21

    Exactly.

    I was living in Norway at the time and Norwegians don’t give a single damn about basketball, so I really stopped following the Knicks at the time. I knew about the big names on the team and knew the team was bad, but had barely heard about Lee before the game. His energy and hustle really left a mark on me and as soon as I was back in Brazil and watching the NBA regularly again, he became one of my favorite players.

    That David Lee tip in was a great moment. I still remember it well.

    What really sold it was Gus Johnson’s announcing. Like Bill Simmons always says, every great sports moment should have Gus Johnson freaking out like a madman about it. “David LEEEE!!!!!!!!! David LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!”

    David Lee was a class act. He was fun to watch and root for. The tip-in was classic, and there were lots of great double-double games. I think he was a huge spark in the finals GSW beat the Cavs for their first chip, and it was awesome to see him have that moment. My son, who was in elementary school at the time, was a big fan and went to David Lee basketball camp during the summers. Bon voyage, David.

    Or there’s almost no market for traditional ones who can’t play defense. Udoh and other non-shooters have value on the other end, but Lee is antithetical to so much of what offense is about now. And he’s not a good defender.

    I agree, but Lee actually got a lot better defensively in the last few years.

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