Knicks Morning News (2017.11.18)

  • [SNY Knicks] Tim Hardaway Jr. leaves game Friday with sore foot
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 11:16:35 PM)

    Knicks SG Tim Hardaway Jr. removed himself from Friday night’s matchup against the Raptors as his sore left foot flared up.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks can’t stop DeRozan, Lowry in 107-84 rout
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 10:35:06 PM)

    Kyle Lowry matched his season high with 22 points and added 10 assists, DeMar DeRozan also scored 22 and the short-handed Toronto Raptors beat New York 107-84 on Friday night, their eighth consecutive victory over the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s game: Knicks at Raptors, 7:30 p.m.
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 6:15:19 PM)

    TORONTO — The New York Knicks and the Toronto Raptors will meet for the first time this season on Friday night, each coming off uplifting, comeback victories on Wednesday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Who is Kristaps Porzingis’ wingman?
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 6:32:49 PM)

    While Kristaps Porzingis reigns as the Knicks’ franchise cornerstone, who is better fit to be labeled his sidekick, Kanter or Hardaway Jr.?

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek thought it was “great” that Ntilikina shoved LeBron
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 12:15:29 PM)

    Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek was fully behind rookie PG Frank Ntilikina sticking up for himself against LeBron James of the Cavaliers on Monday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo Anthony says Oklahoma City fans “appreciate players more”
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 9:00:53 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony said that Oklahoma City appreciates its players more and calls it a small, intimate enviornment.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis struggles as Knicks get blown out by Raptors
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 7:24:53 PM)

    Porzingis and the Knicks were grounded in Canada.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah admits he ‘probably’ won’t ever return to form
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 2:50:12 PM)

    Noah faced the harsh reality that his best days are over.

  • [NYDN] Hornacek says Knicks have a 3-year plan for building contender
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 10:04:31 AM)

    The Knicks should send the schedule-maker a Christmas card.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ Tim Hardaway Jr. exits with ‘lingering’ foot injury
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 7:15:28 PM)

    TORONTO — Tim Hardaway Jr. suffered a mysterious left-foot injury that forced him out of the final three minutes of Friday’s 107-84 dud against the Raptors, but he doesn’t believe the problem will linger. Hardaway said he did nothing in particular to hurt himself after being the hero versus the Jazz on Wednesday, but he…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis struggles mightily as Knicks pounded by Raptors
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 5:01:01 PM)

    TORONTO — The road has been a misery for the Knicks — and for Kristaps Porzingis. With Porzingis’ shooting slump reaching a third game Friday night, the Knicks got whipped by the Raptors, losing their eighth straight game to Toronto in a 107-84 Air Canada slaughter. No team exploits the Knicks more severely than the…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah faces new reality as Knicks bench him again
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 3:54:44 PM)

    TORONTO — Joakim Noah admits he’s not the same player he was in 2014, when he was first team All-NBA and the Defensive Player of the Year. But the center said he still believes he can contribute to the club. Noah chose his words carefully, admitting he’s attempting to make the best of a rotten…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis is so good, this is what a ‘slump’ looks like
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 8:46:30 AM)

    TORONTO — Jeff Hornacek found it amusing Kristaps Porzingis’ two-game stretch without 30 points is being classified as a slump. “Maybe we all got spoiled,’’ Hornacek said Friday after the morning shootaround at Air Canada Centre. “Not everyone’s going to go 14-for-23 every game. He was shooting lights out early on. Teams are starting to…

  • [NYTimes] Raptors 107, Knicks 84: Knicks Shoot and Defend Poorly Against a Short-Handed Toronto
    (Saturday, November 18, 2017 4:17:51 AM)

    The Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis shot 3 for 13 while Tim Hardaway Jr. finished 5 for 11 in the team’s eighth consecutive loss to the Raptors.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis, Knicks don’t have it in loss to Raptors
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 10:41:00 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek appeared to be lowering expectations before Friday night’s game against the Raptors. It may have been the coach’s best move of the night.

  • [NY Newsday] Joakim Noah inactive for third straight game for Knicks
    (Friday, November 17, 2017 8:21:58 PM)

    Joakim Noah was all-NBA first team after the 2013-14 season. Even he admits he’s not that player any more.

  • 20 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.11.18)”

    Well, we are exactly where we don’t want to end the season. Out of the playoff picture with the worst lottery position. Really rather us tank than risk getting caught in Pacers territory.

    Nothing wrong with losing as well as the young kids get to play.

    That young wing Beasley got some good fourth quarter minutes, helping with his development. Nice to see him get lots of shots. Willy and Dotson probably learned a lot watching Beas go one on three in the lane and close out aggressively on Toronto’s shooters!


    Didn’t get to see the game (and there are some nights that’s a good thing) but when I looked at the box score – 9 turnovers? Usually if you limit turnovers, you stay in the game. Obviously our shooting was atrocious, but were we missing open shots or was it the Raptors D?

    Teams with strong guard tandems (DeRozan and Lowry, Wall and Beal, etc.) usually eat our lunch, so not a surprising result.

    It was obvious that teams weren’t going sit back and allow Porzingis to score 30 a night and beat them. The blueprint for making his life difficult was already out there. Now he’s got to learn to not throw up terribly dumb shots if they are getting physical with him, helping out on him, or flat out doubling him. It will also help if he does pass if his teammates make them pay for helping by hitting shots and eventually giving him more space again.

    I just realized something. Everyone talks about Frank’s wingspan and how it helps him get steals and deflections, but he blocks very few shots.


    A little bit of both. The Raptors went really hard after KP and defended him super well, but there were a lot of open shots missed.

    The game against the Clippers will show us more. Its a home game and they’re in a horrible slump.

    We look out of sync. Why are baker, Dotson and Willy not getting minutes?

    Kp to the 5 and surround him with shooters would mean Beasley gets more time which probably is a bad thing in the long run but to start the fourth Beasley single handedly cut the lead to single digits.
    I’m not saying start Beasley but maybe McDermott and move Lee to 6 th man which would make sense or play thjr/ Lee and play without a pg… jack provides some consistency in terms of pg but the offense looks out of sync and slow when he starts.

    We are going to get an ass whipping from the clips unless some changes are made

    It’s probably time for some rotation shifts. We could use what Noah theoretically brings to the table, though who knows what he’s got left in the tank.

    I don’t really co-sign the outrage about Jack starting–you can’t play 19 year old Frank 32 minutes a game and I would not be at all surprised if Jack is still better than Baker.

    The Clippers have lost 7 in a row (some very close losses, tbf), so we should probably win this one at home.

    The fact that Noah hasn’t even been active in those games is really weird for me. Yes, logjam and all, but if Willy is not part of the plans at all, like it seems, what is management going to do about Noah? Is he simply going to be getting his check and sitting on a suit on the bench for 3 years?

    He probably doesn’t deserve minutes over the 3 other guys anyway, but it’s really looking like a potentially weird situation all around.

    Our best hope as enlightened fans is that we go on a losing streak asap, and we should lose tonight. Jordan and Griffin should neutralize KP, and that is pretty much all it should take. Then maybe Hornacek starts juggling the lineup.

    I think the team didn’t do what was working the other night. In an effort to get KP going they kept forcing it to him and he forced shots. Jack had his mid range game humming in the first quarter but he forced himself to defer. He should have led the team in scoring. Once the Raps adjusted to that KP would have had more space. You gotta take what the defense gives you. The thing that’s been fun about this year is not that KP should be the new Melo but I’m afraid that’s become the narrative. Cs and Dubs do it with multiple heroes despite having MVP level talent. 84 points is down right horrible. Knicks have to figure out how to do it when KP is not on.

    It’s conceivable that the Knicks lose the next 4 games: vs LA Clipper, vs Raptors, @ Hawks, @Rockets and the Rockets is the 2nd game of back-to-backs and games in 4 nights on the road. D oes reality suddenly set in? Is the early season magic about to evaporated? This week might be Hornacek’s biggest challenge of the season.

    Alan Hahn was questioning listeners today about whether the Knicks should be searching for a complete point guard to help the team make the playoffs or stay the course and roll the dice with the current roster. I’m all about option two. The 2018 draft is deep. Even with a late lottery pick we could find an impact player. A pick, a free agent and improvement of our kids might be a huge step forward in 2019. This situation is a trap for the Knicks. Being better makes many people hope for a quick-fix. That’s only a trap to keep this team in purgatory. We’re not winning a title this year. Yeah, it would be nice to make the playoffs but we can’t mortgage the future now.

    Yeah, it would be nice to make the playoffs but we can’t mortgage the future now.

    I’m with this. Deal Lee and O’Quinn or whoever only when the writing is on the wall and then it’s to the lottery we go. Until then we try to get to the playoffs with who we have and NO BANDAIDS.

    Question though…Who would be worth our first round pick right now? If you could have anyone? Like let’s say the Pels were tanking and would take Kanter, Lee and our #1 for Anthony Davis? No brainer right? Not happening but no brainer…

    What’s on your wishlist for something that rebuilds us now?

    Boy Wonder’s team didn’t drop 47 on the Warriors in one quarter. Goddamn.

    Right back at you, Sixers, Warriors dropped 47 in the 3rd.

    Speaking of the Sixers, Embiid with 5 turnovers tonight, averaging 4.4 per game for the season. That’s just not good, especially for a player who’s not the primary ball handler.


    Let’s say the pick would be traded to get a Point Guard, which is the position that makes more sense. Ignoring the top 3, which should be Paul, Westbrook and Curry, that leaves us with Wall, Lowry, Conley, Irving, Thomas, Kemba and Lillard as a top 10. I for sure wouldn’t go any lower than Wall, he’s the only one I would trade a first rounder for (as much as I love Lowry and Conley, age needs to be factored in).

    If we’re talking about 3s, ignoring then Lebron, Durant, Giannis and Leonard who would never get traded anyway, you got something like George, Butler, Porter, Hawyard, then a crapshoot for the last positions with Gallo, Iguodala, Barnes, Covington, Crowder, Harris et al. I wouldn’t go past George and Butler on this list for a first rounder + some asset.

    So yeah, I would keep the 1st unless a very, very unlikely and great deal comes up. If we could get a guy like Davis then yeah, complete no brainer.

    If I’m the gm it would be though to make a deal before the deadline without making a commitment to winning but that is the job. I don’t think there is an option of I want to keep sales up so moving a contract like Willy makes sense for another young player.

    I would resist trading our #1 for anyone over the age of 25. Here’s the thing, if we added Harden to this team, or Westbrook, would we be able to compete with Golden State, a healthy Cleveland or Boston for the title? I don’t think so. So why do that?

    I would much rather roll the dice with the draft pick and add another young, inexpensive, controllable asset. Then, as some salaries come off, we can sign a top free agent or two. That’s how I deal with the situation.

    Alan Hahn was questioning listeners today about whether the Knicks should be searching for a complete point guard to help the team make the playoffs or stay the course and roll the dice with the current roster.

    If you look at the move and say to yourself “we won this both short and long term” they should do it.

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