Knicks Morning News (2017.11.03)

  • [NYTimes] The Unspeakable Greatness of Giannis Antetokounmpo
    (Friday, November 03, 2017 9:00:23 AM)

    The Bucks’ All-Star isn’t changing the way his position is played. He’s changing the way all the positions are played.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis’ brother warns Knicks to treat star right
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 10:21:42 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview to prompt change in the Knicks since Carmelo Anthony never did it himself.

  • [NYDN] Rebuilding Knicks should consider starting Frank Ntilikina soon
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 6:13:01 AM)

    After ugly loss to Rockets, rebuilding Knicks should consider starting Frank Ntilikina in near future.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Should the Knicks start Ntilikina?
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 6:31:41 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Enes Kanter thinks Knicks are a playoff team
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 5:15:27 PM)

    From where Kanter sits, folks in Turkey are missing some good basketball.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis’ brother says Kristaps’ Knicks future isn’t mainly about money
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:30:04 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis’ brother, Janis, said money won’t be the main factor regarding whether Kristaps remains with the Knicks long-term.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kristaps Porzingis misses practice, questionable for Friday
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 1:34:48 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis didn’t practice Thursday (illness) and is officially listed as questionable for Friday’s game against the Suns.

  • [SNY Knicks] Ryan Anderson make Knicks regret passing on him with 21-point night
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 11:46:21 AM)

    Rockets PF Ryan Anderson made the Knicks regret passing on him in the potential Carmelo Anthony trade with a 21-point performance on Wednesdsay night.

  • [ESPN] Brother says Porzingis’ extension not assured
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:12:23 PM)

    Brother says Porzingis’ extension not assured

  • [NYPost] Knicks rookie working on ‘slowing down’
    (Friday, November 03, 2017 12:46:35 AM)

    In keeping with what they did much of the night in Wednesday’s blowout loss to Houston, the Knicks found themselves in the midst of a broken play late in the third quarter. Rookie Damyean Dotson found himself with the ball. So he shot. Dotson bagged a 23-footer for his first career points, finally making a…

  • [NYPost] Facing old team means nothing to the Knicks’ Jeff Hornacek
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 11:00:57 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek began his playing career in Phoenix. And the Suns eventually traded him. Then he began his head coaching career in Phoenix. And the Suns eventually fired him. Now, trying to get the Knicks to bounce back from a wipeout loss against Houston, he finds himself coaching against his old team Friday. It’s got…

  • [NYPost] The man who ‘is the Knicks’ sees immediate change in this team
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 6:54:30 PM)

    Walt “Clyde” Frazier is courtside for another Knicks’ reset, just like he was for the one before that and the one before that and …. Frazier has been a Knicks staple nearly every year since the team drafted him 50 years ago, whether it be on the court, where he led them to two titles…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis manufactured drama doesn’t help him or Knicks
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 4:50:59 PM)

    We rip the Knicks like clockwork because, let’s face it, there is usually a surplus of material to choose from. We’re going on 17 years since they were a functioning, functional operation, so that’s a lot of bad basketball to cover. Now, there is Kristaps Porzingis, who in his third year looks ready for a…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis’ brother slams Carmelo, warns Knicks about future
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 9:31:39 AM)

    Near the end of Phil Jackson’s ill-fated Knicks reign, news surfaced that the team was investigating trade scenarios for Kristaps Porzingis. Sales of defibrillators soared for the Knicks’ fan base and anger reached unprecedented levels. Well, the organization could be headed for a similar crisis in the future after the publication of an interview with…

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis’ brother says skipping exit interview was planned
    (Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:03:38 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The agent for Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis, his brother Janis, took a few verbal shots at the Knicks and Carmelo Anthony in a published report, saying that Porzingis’ decision to skip his exit interview with the team last spring was an orchestrated effort to get the franchise to make some changes.

  • 61 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.11.03)”

    I like the article above that says Ryan Anderson made us regret not trading for him because of his twenty one point night. Yeah, no. That was a hard pass all along, and nothing has changed.

    I don’t mind KP and his brother doing their power move (especially since it helped get rid of Phil), but there is no way that the Knicks’ front office low-balled them on contract negotiations, so if they’re mad at the current Knicks front office, then it must be for another reason, as there is no way that the front office wouldn’t offer Porzingis the max. Everyone offers their good third-year players the max extension. It’s just too easy of a call to offer your good third-year rookies the max extension. No one ever tries to get them to sign below that. I suppose the Knicks front office theoretically could have been the very first front office to try to low ball their star third-year player on an extension, but it seems highly unlikely. If they’re mad, they’re mad over something else.

    I love the NBA and the Knicks but the star system is dragging it down for me. We’re not even 2 months from the end of Melodrama and now we have Porzidrama. Sucks.

    The Knicks can’t even offer him an extension at this point to lowball him and if there’s one thing I’m confident the Knicks won’t do it’s low ball anybody.

    IDK, could it be that they’re mad that Hornacek is still the coach and Willy is not playing? Super far-fetched, but it’s the most logical thing I can think of.

    @2

    Either Janis is an idiot or he doesn’t understand the problem.

    It’s 100% certain the Knicks are going to offer KP a max extension and do everything possible to build a winning team and culture to keep him happy. The problem is Dolan has been trying to build a winning team and culture for as long as he has been around (very generously I might add). He failed because he kept hiring the wrong people.

    KP’s future happiness is 100% about management competence. It has nothing to do with intent. Pulling a power play on an incompetent will not make them competent.

    It’s on Mills, Perry, and Hornacek to get it right. All the power plays in the world are not going to change a damn thing if they overpay for FAs, make bad trades, and abandon the rebuild in place.

    The Knicks can’t even offer him an extension at this point to lowball him and if there’s one thing I’m confident the Knicks won’t do it’s low ball anybody.

    Yeah, exactly. So what do you think they’re still pissed about then? I have no idea myself.

    It was translated so maybe something was lost in it. But I don’t think the sky is falling just yet.

    Lets just see if we can stop Pheonix tonight and get a good head of steam for the Pacers on Sunday.

    @8

    I think Janis just spoke off the cuff and didn’t realize the world is a small place now and shit said in Latvia quickly makes it to Reddit and from there to NY media is a short distance to be bridged. Idk if they’re really unhappy, I just think they want to see continued relative normalcy from the Knicks FO. If the Knicks are just normal, don’t do crazy things for the next year, they play hard and KP gets to continue to eat first like he’s been doing this season he’s going to sign the max extension and be happy. I’m not too concerned about it.

    Janis needs to be a professional though. Commenting on Melo’s leadership, Embiid’s contract and what Knicks management needs to do in a public venue is unprofessional and unbecoming of an agent. If he can only act like a protective big brother then KP needs to find better representation.

    It’s also laughable that he thinks the Knicks need KP to sell out the Garden. Go watch highlights from the great late 2000s Knicks or the 14/15 team led by Langston Galloway and Alexey Shved.

    Janis is correct in everything he says. It’s true that KP is the main attraction…even though they would sell out anyway. He is demanding superstar treatment, and while Janis is being a douche about it, it’s a clever move (kinda like Mark Cuban clever.) Let’s keep in mind also that he’s not demanding money like other douchebag agents, rather, he is saying that team direction is more important than money, which for this idiotic franchise is actually quite refreshing. Even though he’s still a precocious neophyte, KP is a pretty smart kid and he and his brother have seen enough to know that staying quiet in this particular organization will lead to inertia and/or dysfunction. I just think he has to be careful about not crossing the line to the point where he triggers Dolan to do something spiteful (i.e. galactically stupid.) KP’s best chance of becoming a transcendent cultural icon is right here in NYC. He’s a cosmopolitan kid and would probably be bored elsewhere in the US.

    Saw the article above suggesting Frank should start, which I don’t really agree with. I do think it’s time to get him closer to playing 1/2 the game.

    But, if you look at our next 2 weeks, it’s not exactly vs. elite PGs. (Phx, IND, Orlando, Sac, Utah, Charlotte, Cle)……we face Walker in Charlotte and then Lowry and Toronto in 2 weeks.

    Isn’t it time for a change from friday night knicks, or did we give Robert Randolph a no trade clause?

    The point Janis was making is that it’s NOT about the money. KP will get his, no matter whether he stays or goes, whether he signs an extension or not.

    The veiled threat pertains to the disfunction of the knicks. Lose the drama and start building a team that’s going to ligitimately compete, or he’s outta here.

    The knicks front office is incompetent and incapable of building a winning team. Bye bye KP.
    If you want to be a knicks fan, get used to it.

    I just think the timing of his comments are bad. I mean, the season has gotten off to a pretty decent start. They’ve moved on from Melo and they got some nice young pieces around KP. The team is playing well and looks to be trending upward. And right now there isn’t really much the Knicks can do to make them contenders. The Knicks getting better right now really depends on the internal growth of KP, Frank, Willie, Hardaway, Ron, Dotson. The moves they could make to make the team theoretically better in the long run would actually hurt the team in the short run – trading Lee and KQ to bring back picks and expiring contracts. My worry with these comments is that its Zinger’s team putting pressure on The Knicks to make a “win now” move – i.e., a Melo type trade where we trade away the assets we have (Frank, willie, our first round picks) for some win now veteran to help KP win. And that is the exact type of move we don’t need to make.

    But ultimately I just think he’s putting The Knicks on notice. I think its some bluster to just say hey we aren’t going to just resign, so don’t screw this up.

    Also, this sounds like I’m stereotyping, but I think a lot of times eastern european’s when they speak in english or when its translated, it comes across harsher and meaner than its actually intended. So I think maybe it just reads harsher than what he actually said.

    But its weird to make those comments now. WE have a new front office and they’ve been low-key decent since they took over from Phil. It seems unnecessary to create this drama right now. The team is playing well, better than expected. Why say this now?

    The veiled threat pertains to the disfunction of the knicks. Lose the drama and start building a team that’s going to ligitimately compete, or he’s outta here.

    So his palace coup resulted in dumping the only GM in the past million years that both didn’t trade a pick and drafted extremely competently….. well played my friend.

    I am hoping for the sake of everyone’s sanity for the next two years that Phil’s firing was mostly to do with insisting Dolan eat 60 million of Melo’s contract and just release him.

    I really hope we don’t end up as the third team in the Reggie Jackson trade.

    PHX: Boban, Lee, Lance, DET 1st
    DET: Bledsoe, Chandler
    NYK: Jackson

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y853t2ny

    I think this is probably the best case scenario if we are involved. PHX would likely want more. On the surface, it looks like a wash money-wise but Lance’s third year is only partially guaranteed. It’d be nice to have an NBA PG play in NY, but that the small cost in cap flexibility comes in the only year where we have chance to make a signing in FA. Just not worth the upgrade at point guard, especially since Jackson thinks he’s a star (ball-dominant volume scoring, below avg. TS%, avg. WS).

    On another note, I think Jack is going to be exposed coming up. HOU went under screens all game and forced him to shoot, with predictably poor results. We’ll beat enough teams with him to fall back in the lottery, but not enough to be good.

    My worry with these comments is that its Zinger’s team putting pressure on The Knicks to make a “win now” move – i.e., a Melo type trade where we trade away the assets we have (Frank, willie, our first round picks) for some win now veteran to help KP win. And that is the exact type of move we don’t need to make.

    Could it be the other way round? Trade Willy and Frank for Bledsoe and I’m leaving….

    Seems to me like Janis is maybe enjoying his fifteen minutes in the (heavily reflected) spotlight a little too much and ran his mouth to some Latvian newspaper not really thinking that it would become news. I’m not reading anything into it beyond that KP’s brother might not be the sharpest tool in the shed.

    The Knicks hold all of the cards here. KP is going to sign the max extension offer this summer because it would be financially insane not to. He’d have to play another full year just to get to restricted free agency at which point the Knicks would still match any offer. So he’d then have to be further willing to take his qualifying offer, leaving 20+ million on the table for that year alone just to get to UFA the next year. He’s not going to leave all that money on the table this summer just to open up options for himself in 2020.

    So the worst case scenario is he takes the max extension this summer and then at some point during the life of the extension he starts agitating for a trade. That’s certainly a possibility but it’s largely contingent on whether we can build a decent team around him during that time. If we fail to build a contending team and have a superstar inching towards UFA, then there’s a pretty good chance that trading him becomes the smart move anyway. So there really isn’t much of a story here.

    On another note, I think Jack is going to be exposed coming up. HOU went under screens all game and forced him to shoot, with predictably poor results. We’ll beat enough teams with him to fall back in the lottery, but not enough to be good.

    We have one (1) guard on the roster with a TS% over .500. Or maybe 2, depending on how you classify Lee and Hardaway. I understand TS% != player quality, but look at this shit:

    SG
    Lee: 56.4
    Hardaway: 51.5
    Baker: 48.2
    Dotson: 39.3

    PG
    Jack: 34.4
    Sessions: 46.9
    Frank: 35.0

    I hope Dotson gets all of Beasley’s minutes and some of Lance’s. I really like what I saw from him last game. I also saw a bit of chemistry between Frank and Dot.

    BTW, how the hell did Kuzma drop so low? He looks like a potential monster.

    So his palace coup resulted in dumping the only GM in the past million years that both didn’t trade a pick and drafted extremely competently….. well played my friend.

    Are you suggesting that firing Phil Jackson was a mistake?

    I hope Dotson gets all of Beasley’s minutes and some of Lance’s. I really like what I saw from him last game. I also saw a bit of chemistry between Frank and Dot.

    With this particular team, he should absolutely be given as much burn as possible. Just play the young guys and see what you can see! If they suck, then oh well, high draft pick. If they’re good, then awesome!

    KP clearly stated that what’s important to him is that the team starts heading in the right direction. He’s not looking for a win-now situation, but for the team to begin winning, build on it, and create a winning culture.
    Since he’s been with the knicks, the organization has been a giant clusterfuck, led by the worst GM in NBA history. That cancer is gone, but relying on Steve Mills to lead them out of the abyss is a long shot. Their only hope is that Scott Perry emerges as a talent wizard.

    Here’s the thing. The knicks can’t suck anymore. They’ve sucked for a long long time. It’s time to start building assets while winning as many games as they can.
    Make midtown Manhattan an attractive place to play for FA’s.

    lol Phil Jackson isn’t even the worst GM of the Knicks this century let alone the worst in NBA history.

    I have no issue with what Janis said other than the Melo stuff – and even that, you wonder whether something was lost in translation.

    KP made a power play with the exit meeting and it worked. The knicks were a laughingstock under Phil Jackson, the culture was terrible, and the basketball moves only marginally better. KP’s story all along is that the franchise is dysfunctional, and that’s why he was upset. I think it’s totally fine to put the FO on notice that he’s not going to just blindly sign any extension if the franchise is a dumpster fire. I can totally imagine that KP would have signed his qualifying offer and left in FA (or more likely in trade once he opted out of signing an extension) if Phil was still here. The obsession with max contracts etc. has never seemed to be a european-type thing, and even if he signed the qualifying offer and immeidately had a career-ending injury, he would have already made probably >$30MM in his career including endorsements. I don’t really see KP and his family as a group that couldn’t figure out how to live on $30MM (+insurance).

    To Mills’s and Perry’s credit, the franchise pretty much feels…normal since they came on. We’ve heard nothing from Dolan. Since Perry came on, there haven’t been any weird moves or bizarre press conferences. The team is playing better than expected.

    The timing of the interview is a little interesting – -and I can definitely believe it is Janis trying to make sure the Knicks don’t go blowing up their youth movement for a win now non-difference-making veteran (like Eric Bledsoe).

    Re: the max extension – I could and would totally try and turn Janis’s words “against” KP, in that if money is not the most important thing, then do like the other European stars (Gobert, Giannis, Dirk, Tony Parker, Ginobili etc.) have done — take less $ to make sure that the team can build around him in the best way possible.

    Are you suggesting that firing Phil Jackson was a mistake?

    I am suggesting precisely what I wrote that he was the only GM here in forever that both didn’t trade picks for Eddie Curry and drafted extremely competently. Add to that he was missing 2 picks in the 4 years he was here he left the franchise in far better shape than anyone else moving forward.

    He made a couple of excellent value FA signings (ROLO and KOQ) and some awful one’s when stupidly trying to steer a middle path to assuage Melo ( Noah/Rose). No need to re-litigate Phil, but I certainly stand by my original statement.

    I’m not sure bowing to the will of a 22 yr old who has accomplished very little in the NBA is the way to go.

    The adult thing to do is to have a sit down with all the principals and have a Festivus like airing of grievances and plot a rational course IN PRIVATE. I don’t see how one can allow a 22 yr old with little equity to whine that his boy WHG isn’t getting enough burn or whatever or think he has the chops to run a 2 billion dollar business.

    No need to re-litigate Phil, but I certainly stand by my original statement.

    Which was…re-litigating Phil.

    Perrys approach to team building and cap management is going to be pretty interesting. At the moment the summer of 2019 can be a big free agency window for us. We can have real space if we want it with most of our young core still on cheap deals. Noah and lee will be entering their final years. Lee likely will have been traded and it would hurt less at that point to stretch Noah.

    But the space will go fast if e.g. we use our exceptions this summer or Kanter opts our so we can give him a longer term deal.

    In all of this, the handling of kp is interesting. If he stays healthy and has a good year, and if we the FO can rebuild the relationship enough to build trust, and if the team is heading in the right direction… all big ‘ifs’, but there’s then an argument for sitting down with him and agreeing to wait on the extension. His hold in 2019 is 7m – if we extend him it’s year one of his new deal at 25m+. If I remember rightly this is what the spurs did with Kawhi so as to free space to bring in other FAs. But it really requires the star player and FO to be on the same page…

    Overall, looking at our guard/wing play it’s remarkable we’ve won a game, let alone 3.

    lol Phil Jackson isn’t even the worst GM of the Knicks this century let alone the worst in NBA history.

    Yeah, I wanted the guy gone, but he was nowhere near as bad as Isiah.

    Overall, looking at our guard/wing play it’s remarkable we’ve won a game, let alone 3.

    THJ shooting well again would be huge.

    Overall, looking at our guard/wing play it’s remarkable we’ve won a game, let alone 3.

    Want a bellwether?

    In wins — THJ’s TS 60.8, 19.5 usage, averaging basically 19/4/4
    In losses — THJ’s TS 43.9, 23 usage, averaging 12.8/2.8/2.0

    When THJ is amazing, so are we.

    I think Mills is fine where he is. I don’t think he is a good GM, but he apparently realized that and I have liked what I have seen from Perry, although it is too early to tell. The haul for Melo may not seem like much, but he was able to do enough to get Melo to expand his list of possible destinations. He has a lot of bad contracts, so it will be interesting to see what he does with them.

    I didn’t read that as Janis or KP being pissed at the FO right now. More just a warning, don’t fuck this up. And I think that’s both fair and reasonable. KP wants to win more than he wants the extra cash from a max extension, and he wants to be on a team that’s committed to competing for a chip during his prime. That’s a good thing! The FO just has to keep building that team. That’s what we all want. I’ve got no problem with Janis giving a little more pressure in that direction. Was it professional? If you think players should keep their mouths shut then no. If you think player leadership need not be confined to the locker room then yes. The format is squirrelly but the CBA locks down non-passive aggressive ways of doing this.

    lol Phil Jackson isn’t even the worst GM of the Knicks this century let alone the worst in NBA history.

    I thank Phil every day for giving us KP, FN, WH, and DD even though he didn’t have 2 first round lottery picks in 4 years. I thank him for not trading any future picks and leaving us with cap space coming into the year (that Mills unfortunately used poorly). Mistakes were made (both in basketball and non basketball terms), but I’ll take that over anything else we’ve had over the last 20 years. I’m massively more worried about what current management might do than I am about a bad Noah contract that will be off the books before KP and FN even hit their peak. Frank might still be 2 years away from being 2 years from his peak when Noah is gone. 🙂

    Sorry, but I’m in the STFU Janis crowd. His comments are not helpful, poorly timed, and arrogant at best. He’s coming off as a sort of LaVar Ball wannabe.

    Maybe all my years of teaching made me too sensitive to enabler parents and helicopter parents. Now we have older brothers who enable bad behavior and hover over their younger siblings.

    Hopefully, he’s really nothing more than a Fredo Corleone in all of this, a secretly envious older brother trying to be the big shot.

    Want a bellwether?

    In wins — THJ’s TS 60.8, 19.5 usage, averaging basically 19/4/4
    In losses — THJ’s TS 43.9, 23 usage, averaging 12.8/2.8/2.0

    When THJ is amazing, so are we.

    That makes perfect sense. They clearly need shooting from the outside to compete. When THJ is that, they run smoothly.

    @39, @40 – me too. I take solace from KPs own comments being much more positive. It’s also possible it’s an old interview as that’s happened before with comments taking a while to percolate through…

    The Knicks and low ball are not usually found in the same sentence.
    The comments above are spot on, the Knicks overpay Every Time, so they will offer KP the max.

    Janis Is sounding like a Lavar wannabe, just shut up for now.

    I know this is nitpicking, but I find it so obnoxious when someone, like Janis Porzingis, in a player’s circle refers to that player as “we.”

    “We are more focused on some other values and not just to quickly sign a new contract so we can collect the money. That’s definitely not our goal, so we won’t be feverishly counting minutes or counting points.”

    Maybe all my years of teaching made me too sensitive to enabler parents and helicopter parents. Now we have older brothers who enable bad behavior and hover over their younger siblings.

    I don’t know if you mean it this way, but this sounds like “STFU and let the grownups make the decisions for you.” The players aren’t children. They’re adults who want a say in their future who are prohibited from saying anything themselves and have to use surrogates. It’s not causing ‘distractions’ or ‘drama’ for KP to let it be known that if the FO continues its dysfunctional ways he’ll bounce, money be damned.

    It’s pointless to say because he’s already made this poin and the Knicks subsequently responded to it with widespread changes in the front office and in stating a clear direction multiple times. On top of that your agent talking shit about Melo’s leadership after the player has publicly praised it and his mentorship comes across weak as fuck. Janis should either shut the fuck up or filter his words better so that he’s not directly contradicting what his one and only client has said publicly.

    And to be clear I don’t think this is that big of a deal, but Janis should get better at being a pro agent and figure out the difference between that and being a big brother.

    I don’t know if you mean it this way, but this sounds like “STFU and let the grownups make the decisions for you.” The players aren’t children. They’re adults who want a say in their future who are prohibited from saying anything themselves and have to use surrogates. It’s not causing ‘distractions’ or ‘drama’ for KP to let it be known that if the FO continues its dysfunctional ways he’ll bounce, money be damned.

    Here’s the problem with your analysis; what is gained by airing a grievance in public 2.8 years before you can do anything about it?

    If he has a beef he should bring it to management privately….. it just comes off as some rube flexing his ability to rustle jimmies with no purpose.

    If KP has a double secret decoder ring action plan that has his imprimatur…. by all means bring it to management.

    BTW, how the hell did Kuzma drop so low? He looks like a potential monster.

    the lakers are fun to watch again…so glad kobe’s gone…never really could get in to watching the clippers much…

    kuzma and ingram are some great young players to follow…throw in ball and nance jr (i’m even a julius randle fan) – they are becoming must see tv…

    Here’s the problem with your analysis; what is gained by airing a grievance in public 2.8 years before you can do anything about it?

    He was asked if KP was signing the extension with the Knicks. Maybe he shouldn’t have given an honest answer, maybe he should have dodged it. But I’m not going to fault him for telling the truth. And again, I don’t see it as airing a grievance. We all know the Knicks have been a disaster forever. Saying that they need to not be a disaster going forward isn’t bitching.

    If he has a beef he should bring it to management privately….. it just comes off as some rube flexing his ability to rustle jimmies with no purpose.

    Maybe they have done. This doesn’t feel like he let slip some secret knowledge. Better to say it when it matters than after the fact. And saying it now gives him public cover if he bounces later. And if the Jimmy getting rustled is Dolan have at it.

    If KP has a double secret decoder ring action plan

    This is what I meant above, you’re infantilizing him. There’s nothing childish about ‘stop fucking up constantly or I’ll leave.’ There’s nothing about wanting others to do their jobs well that implies he’s got all the answers.

    @45 Grocer:

    Maybe all my years of teaching made me too sensitive to enabler parents and helicopter parents. Now we have older brothers who enable bad behavior and hover over their younger siblings.

    I don’t know if you mean it this way, but this sounds like “STFU and let the grownups make the decisions for you.”

    No, that was not my intent. That comment was me conceding that my many years of seeing some (not most) parents make excuses for and rationalize bad behavior on the part of their teenagers (to the detriment of the teen) makes me see this situation in a similar light. This time it is an older sibling excusing and justifying what I believe to be bad behavior on the part of KP, and now Janis is even boasting about it.

    So, I’m making a comparison and trying to explain why I see it that way, for right or wrong. BTW, I know of a few experiences, inc. a couple first-hand, of enabler parents being threatening and boasting about what they would do. So again, Janis’s comments remind me a bit of those parents.

    In one situation I was a minor player in (homeroom teacher), a habitually bad kid was eventually suspended long-term. Mom (who I’d had a meeting with at school and heard first-hand), lodged a lawsuit that was later dismissed when the kid finally fessed up to all his lies and such. A few years later he was in prison. The kid grew up with no sense of responsibility for anything he did.

    That’s an extreme case, of course. As I also said, Janis is probably more of a Fredo than an Iago.
    🙂

    No, that was not my intent.

    I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification,I appreciate it.

    I don’t personally see the bad behavior, just limited options in addressing problems given the situation. Most people kind of assumed that skipping the exit meeting was a bad choice compared to going and airing grievances there. But that assumes the grievances hadn’t already been aired. If you can’t quit, and you can’t do a ‘slow down’ or similar on the court, and you’re limited in what you can directly say in public and they’re ignoring you in private? Blowing off your debriefing becomes a good way to send a message they can’t ignore. Not saying that’s what happened, but I am saying it’s strange to assume bad faith on the part of KP and company when the opposing side is Phil Jackson’s front office. Likewise Janis’s recent comments are a warning, but not an undeserved one.

    @51
    We just disagree re the exit meeting. The guy is making millions of $. Show up; that’s a great place, it would seem, to make your case. Sure, we don’t know the full story, but it appears that skipping those meetings is pretty rare. Then there are also reports that KP may have blown off texts or whatever from Hornacek, etc.

    Again, to refer to my own profession (:-)), we had end of year meetings with head principals every year that I taught. There were a couple I worked for that I really disliked, but I showed up for every one of them. I just viewed that as part of being a professional.

    Whatever the case, Phil is gone and KP seems to be trying to turn the page. His agent/brother should, too.

    Yeah, not a good idea to burn bridges in my business either. But I’ve got the option to quit and go elsewhere without taking a big pay or prestige hit.

    I suspect Janis (and presumably by extension KP) feel they had something to do with Phil being canned and see these kind of comments etc as an effective ‘leadership’ tool. We’ll probably see more if they think it’s warranted.

    We just disagree re the exit meeting. The guy is making millions of $. Show up; that’s a great place, it would seem, to make your case. Sure, we don’t know the full story, but it appears that skipping those meetings is pretty rare. Then there are also reports that KP may have blown off texts or whatever from Hornacek, etc.

    Again, to refer to my own profession (:-)), we had end of year meetings with head principals every year that I taught. There were a couple I worked for that I really disliked, but I showed up for every one of them. I just viewed that as part of being a professional.

    Whatever the case, Phil is gone and KP seems to be trying to turn the page. His agent/brother should, too.

    Professional sports business dealings involving hundreds of billions of dollars is a far more cutthroat than meetings between principals and teachers. If a player feels that he has leverage to oust a coach or GM by passive-aggression or outright aggressive behavior, I have no problem with him taking that route, since he is risking a harsh judgment in a) the court of public opinion , b) legacy, and c) mobility and earning power within his profession. If what he (or Janis) did is “wrong” it will be so because it worked to KP’s disadvantage in one of those 3 realms. My bet is that there are just as many people who are saying, “Right on, KP and Janis, Dolan, Jackson and Melo all suck!” as are taking issue with Janis’ statements.

    Right now, it seems like KP’s team holds the stronger hand in charting the team’s course, and he might as well milk it to get what he wants. It could backfire horribly if he gets injured or his play regresses, or he gets traded to a lousy city, but for now, most fans only care about how well he produces on the court and how well the team progresses with him as their centerpiece. If his actions lead to better management practices, great! If not, THEN it’s time to hold him accountable.

    holy crap – just checked the preview for tonight’s game and noticed the suns are 4-4 …how in the hell have the suns won 4 games…

    The Suns have been bad but have gotten Pythag luck. They have the point differential of a 2-6 team.

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    Professional sports business dealings involving hundreds of billions of dollars is a far more cutthroat than meetings between principals and teachers.

    Oh, I don’t know about that. How “cutthroat” is millionaire KP skipping his exit meeting to get millionaire Phil Jackson fired, anyways? Janis and KP are not exactly Gordon Gecko.

    Plus, go to a local school board meeting involving possibly firing a teacher (making less than six figures) for alleged insubordination vs. a principal. Losing one’s livelihood strikes me as pretty cutthroat. I know of teachers losing jobs (just one last year) suddenly, too late to get a job in another system, and pretty devastated by it.

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