Knicks Morning News (2017.09.23)

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ last resort might just be making friends with Carmelo
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 8:58:03 PM)

    Steve Mills, the new Knicks president, sat between Scott Perry, the new general manager, and Jeff Hornacek, essentially a new coach, as he will be allowed to do things the way he wants in Year 2 of his tenure, unlike his lot in Year 1. So, much was new for the Knicks — except for…

  • [NYPost] No more triangle: Jeff Hornacek’s going to ‘open it up’
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 6:38:17 PM)

    The triangle offense was mentioned at the Knicks’ pre-training-camp press conference Friday. But not by coach Jeff Hornacek. And it only came up in a question, as in “Is the triangle dead?” Yeah, it is because Phil Jackson is no longer on the sidelines proclaiming how that offense worked back when Hoboken was the prairie….

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony gives Knicks another possible way out
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 6:21:56 PM)

    Knicks officials have been optimistic all along that Carmelo Anthony eventually would expand his wish list beyond the Rockets. And now he has. A source confirmed an ESPN report that Anthony has added the Cavaliers and Thunder in hopes of the Knicks finding a deal for him before the Oct. 19 season opener. According to…

  • [NYPost] Scott Perry amused by Michael Beasley’s boastful prediction
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 3:11:06 PM)

    When asked what he thought of Michael Beasley’s prediction of a “fifth, sixth seed” for the Knicks, general manager Scott Perry broke into his lone smirk of the 34-minute press conference. Perry then added: “I guess he doesn’t lack for confidence, I can say that.” The post-Jackson regime has been careful not to bring up…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony wants to raise $1 million for Puerto Rico
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 12:13:01 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony desperately wants to help hurricane victims in Puerto Rico, and he’d like you to help him do that. Anthony, whose father was from Puerto Rico, started a YouCaring donation page Friday to help people whose island has been ravaged by Hurricane Maria. “The entire island is dark. But even if we can’t hear…

  • [NYPost] Jeff Hornacek won’t touch radioactive Porzingis reports
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 10:20:11 AM)

    Jeff Hornacek said any notion he and Kristaps Porzingis are on the outs is false. According to a source, the Porzingis-Hornacek dynamic last season was radioactive. Former Post columnist Peter Vecsey reported one of the reasons he blew off the infamous exit meeting was over an incident in which Hornacek once told Porzingis’ buddy Willy…

  • [NYPost] I faced ‘N-word,’ death threats after Porzingis scuffle: ex-Knick
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 7:44:59 AM)

    Anthony Randolph briefly became Enemy No. 1 for Knicks fans after he tangled with Kristaps Porzingis during a 2017 EuroBasket quarterfinal contest. He didn’t realize how far some demented fans would take it. Randolph, speaking to The Undefeated, talked about his on-court donnybrook last week with Porzingis and some of the racially motivated threats he…

  • [NYPost] Knicks, Carmelo can’t avoid weird training camp collision
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 7:18:04 AM)

    The broken marriage limps on. While Knicks GM Scott Perry said the club is keeping an “open mind’’ on Carmelo Anthony’s future, team brass stated he’ll be at Monday’s training camp and coach Jeff Hornacek said he’d be “crazy not to start him.” Sources have told The Post neither Anthony nor the Knicks want each…

  • [NYDN] Knicks reach out to Cavs about a potential Carmelo Anthony trade
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 4:55:18 PM)

    Knicks reached out to Cavaliers in recent days regarding a potential Carmelo Anthony trade

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony, Jorge Posada raise money for Puerto Rico relief
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 2:48:55 PM)

    Knicks star Carmelo Anthony has his mind on something other than basketball.

  • [NYDN] Ntilikina to be part of ‘healthy competition’ at point guard
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 12:56:50 PM)

    The Knicks aren’t ready to commit the starting point guard spot to rookie Frank Ntilikina.

  • [NYDN] Hornacek on end of the triangle offense & front office intrusions
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 12:46:11 PM)

    This year, Jeff Hornacek hasn’t dealt with any intrusions from the front office – triangle or otherwise.

  • [NYDN] Knicks, Carmelo Anthony headed toward awkward reunion next week
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 11:23:03 AM)

    The Knicks expect Carmelo Anthony in training camp and in the starting lineup.

  • [NYDN] Randolph received threats, racist taunts after Porzingis scuffle
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 8:47:02 AM)

    Was it a dirty play? Anthony Randolph doesn’t think so.

  • [NYDN] Knicks say they have good relationship with Kristaps Porzingis
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 8:31:43 AM)

    Everything is fine.

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Melo’s wish list is expanding
    (Saturday, September 23, 2017 12:20:56 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony has expanded the list of teams he would approve a trade to and Taylor Rooks discusses NY basketball with Michael Beasley.

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo Anthony adds Cavs, Thunder to desired teams list
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 11:13:24 PM)

    Knicks F Carmelo Anthony has expanded his desired teams list to include the Cavaliers and Thunder.

  • [SNY Knicks] Triangle offense is dead as Knicks plan to open it up
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 2:00:56 PM)

    The Triangle Offense left New York in June when Phil Jackson was fired, but the Knicks made it official as training camp is about to begin.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek on Melo: ‘If you think I’m not starting him, you’re crazy’
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 12:30:16 PM)

    The Knicks were unable to move Anthony this summer, but new GM Scott Perry said he’s still fielding calls.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks remain non-committal on Carmelo Anthony’s future
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 9:43:05 AM)

    Knicks president Steve Mills said the plan is for Carmelo Anthony to be with the team for the foreseeable future.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek says he and Porzingis have a ‘great relationship’
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 10:10:38 AM)

    Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said he and forward Kristaps Porzingis have a “great relationship” despite a report indicating the 22-year-old forward skipped his exit interview due to him instead of former team president Phil Jackson.

  • [NY Newsday] Source: Carmelo Anthony expands his list to three teams for a trade
    (Saturday, September 23, 2017 3:17:54 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony has expanded the list of teams for which he would waive his no-trade clause from one to three, according to an NBA source.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks feel good about Kristaps Porzingis relationship and progress
    (Saturday, September 23, 2017 12:25:11 AM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The Knicks say they already have a good relationship with Kristaps Porzingis, and team president Steve Mills says it will get better with new general manager Scott Perry on board.

  • [ESPN] Sources: Melo expands list, includes Cavs, OKC
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 9:07:30 PM)

    Sources: Melo expands list, includes Cavs, OKC

  • [ESPN] Knicks GM: ‘Open mind,’ but Melo will be back
    (Friday, September 22, 2017 11:48:05 AM)

    Knicks GM: ‘Open mind,’ but Melo will be back

  • [NYTimes] Knicks Get Ready for Training Camp, Carmelo Anthony Included
    (Saturday, September 23, 2017 3:09:56 AM)

    Although Anthony would like to be traded, and the Knicks would be happy to oblige, no trade seems close. For now, he is still here.

  • 121 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.09.23)”

    All fake trade proposals are silly, but what about Melo to Cleveland for the Brooklyn pick and these guys mostly as salary filler?

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y92sh9xe

    We can’t get Crowder or Zizic (at least not combined with any other players) until partway through the season.

    An OKC trade would have to involve Kanter, who’s better than Ryan Anderson (and with a shorter contract), but feels redundant on a team that already has Willy and KP. OKC also can’t trade us a first rounder for a while, since they owe conditional picks in 2018 and 2020. Is something like this enough?

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya5sb83u

    All fake trade proposals are silly, but what about Melo to Cleveland for the Brooklyn pick and these guys mostly as salary filler?

    A potential (likely?) top-5 pick for ‘Melo would be completely insane.

    The fact that Melo added OKC to the list makes it obvious that it’s not about winning a championship, it’s about playing with his All Star buddies like CP3, LeBron and Russ. Notice how the Spurs aren’t on his list? Who the hell wants to play with boring Kawhi Leonard?

    But hey, it’s to our benefit that he feels this way, so keep on star fuckin’ Melo!

    Trump has the ego defenses of a six year-old. He says Steph Curry is “hesitating” about his WH invitation (no, he’s pretty much against the idea of going) so his invitation is withdrawn.

    KD has more mature tweets than the leader of the free world.

    The closest we can get to the Nets pick is probably swap rights, which would still be a huge asset.

    We’re not getting the Nets pick for Melo.

    For the teams suggested, my focus would be:

    Cleveland – Osman, Felder, the Cavs pick. I’d take Osman and one of the other two along with Shump, Frye and presumably one more contract to make the $ work

    OKC – Ferguson and a1/2 expiring deals to go with Kanter.

    POR – Harkless plus at least one more ‘good’ asset – a pick or Swanigan. What I would really want is Collins, and I think I’d take Turner instead of Leonard, alongside Harkless, if they would include Collins too.

    It’s a joke that Ferguson was drafted at all, let alone in the first round. I’d much rather have the Bulls second round pick and Abrines, and I’m not sure I’d bother trading Melo for that if we have to take Kanter back.

    carmelo needs to tweet that he’s preemptively disinviting the warriors from trading for him. the great brands know when to pivot.

    Kanter had a .626 ts% in 15-16, .599 last year and is still 25.

    I know he can’t / won’t defend and is a poor rebounder (even though he seems to be good on the offensive glass) plus not really the position we need, but he’s a valuable player with room for improvement and his contract ends the same year as Melo. I would totally trade Melo straight up for him and if we get anyone else it’s nice.

    Given my “offense wins championships out West” theory, does anyone think we can get OKC pull the trigger on this?

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yavh7ok2

    If we send Melo to OKC, we’re gonna have to take back a C with a big contract- so why not ask for one who is healthy enough to use a skill at that spot that we need? You know- get the best one if we would theoretically have 2 Centers making big cake. I can’t see paying Kanter 17 mill when we have Willy. But I can see paying Adams when we already have Noah because Noah’s alot closer to the end of his career than Kanter and Noah. I would even offer a future heavily protected 1st to get Adams and McBuckets on the team

    Assuming for today that a Melo trade does not materialize, Jeff is gonna have to do a good job managing minutes. In the front court for example KP and Willy need their mins to comtinut their growth as playets but Jeff s got to find mins to showcase KOQ and max out his value at the trade deadline. I feel he must do a similar job showcasing Joke Noah’s value, but over a longer timeline. All this must be done without sacrificing the development of KP and WHG.

    In general the “NYKs” must apply this approach to any roster moving forward: every roster spot is an asset (and can easily become a liabilty: see the curious case of Melo). The FO and ciaching staff must enhance the value of all assets both as players and as trade chips.
    One class of player enhancement must have an eye on their long term development and a 2nd class with the idea of enhancing their short-term trade value. The scope if this post does nit address value vis a vus contract prices but that is another factir in the calculus if iverall player value.

    The NYKs don’t necessarily even need to declare this to the world, so that if a killer offer is made for KP, or WHG even those will be considered. No more roster burning in pursuit of free agents. Build it and they will come (e.g., KD).

    @8 wins the thread.

    I’m adamant that the only reward we should expect for a Carmelo trade is not having Carmelo anymore.

    Between OKC and Cleveland there is no trade to be made. Cleveland can’t move Crowder, and OKC would need a 3rd team to take Kanter. Cleveland would have to give up Osman, Shump, Frye, Felder, and the Nets pick. It sounds crazy to give up the Nets pick, but when you have a roster that looks like:

    PG: Thomas, Rose
    SG: Smith, Korver
    SF: LeBron, Crowder
    PF: Love, Melo
    C: Thompson, Zizic

    You give up a lottery pick for that team. It’s legitimately good enough to beat Golden State. That second unit could win 35 games by itself.

    Kanter is probably a useful player and the best Gülenist in NBA history, but we already have Willy, who is a roughly equivalent player (he might be better) on a longer and much cheaper deal.

    All the trade congjecture is fun, but to me, the big deal is that Melo blinked first. Scott and Mills hold the aces. Good worl guys! No way they should trade him now. Wait for the trade deadline. This Knick team anin’t going nowhere anyway. They must get 1st round picks for him and no contracts that are worse than his.

    Kanters stats seem nice, he is a very traceable piece later on.

    We said no to love for melo, did I read that right!?!

    Aldridge is not a reliable source. But even if true, no matter. They are doing the correct thing right now. Somehow, we have teams possibly competing for Melo’s services, rather than bidding against ourselves like we usually do.

    I would make it look like I’m very willing to wait until October 22 when guys like Crowder become tradeable. Then maybe someone reaches to snag Melo before CLE can use Crowder or Korver in a trade.

    Really good poker playing by Perry so far!

    Kanter may be useful, but just barely. It is hard to be a guy that can’t pass, can’t shoot from range, defends poorly and is a mediocre defensive rebounder and make up for it solely at the rim and the offensive glass. i don’t think you can play him with any of the knicks bigs. with kp the defense is a disaster; with willy both ends are; and with KOQ the offense is. Greg monroe is in my opinion better than Kanter and just picked up his option; kanter will likely do the same and be very hard to move.

    If the only teams Melo is willing to be traded to are Cle, OKC & Hou we are smoking rocks if we think we can do better than Kevin Love for Melo. But there’s no need to rush.

    If Love is on the table you take him – he’s younger and better than Melo and DOESNT HAVE A NYC so you can flip him to any decent team with young assets (hello Portland) and he can’t stop you!

    Well, it the Cavs did offer Love at some point, they’re willing to trade him. Refusing it now doesn’t mean the possibility isn’t on the table anymore, just that the Knicks want to check out around with other teams.

    It is encouraging to see names like Love involved because it shows that indeed Melo continues to be overvalued by the potential landing spots, but I’m with DS on this one, the trade is about getting Melo out without crippling the roster completely. Anything useful coming back is a bonus, not the objective.

    I have trouble imagining a team offering something better than Kevin Love for Melo, but like I said, I don’t see any harm in waiting a day or two.

    Aldridge has also said that the Knicks are engaging the Thunder and Cavs in order to finalize a trade this weekend. This is the right thing to do to be honest.

    The Knicks stood pat and said they wouldn’t move until Melo expanded his list of teams, and Melo did it. It’s the right thing to do to make good on what you told Anthony’s camp and negotiate now.

    I have trouble believing that the same Cavs GM that orchestrated the Kyrie trade would bite on a Love-for-Melo deal.

    Now Tommy Dee comes out saying the Blazers are willing to give the Knicks a first round pick for Melo… I know, very unreliable, but something really good could come out of these team’s desperation.

    I have trouble believing that the same Cavs GM that orchestrated the Kyrie trade would bite on a Love-for-Melo deal.

    It’s not THAT unbelievable in that if Lebron leaves and IT walks, it seems very likely that Melo will either get bought out or not pick up his player option (likely the 1st) — and they’d be set for a real rebuild without much $ on the cap. If they keep Love, they’re stuck with his 25+MM for the next 3 seasons.

    And while Love puts up nice stats, it seems at least possible that one could believe Melo is more suited to play against the Warriors than Love is. Melo at least has the theoretical possibility of being a passable defender.

    KOQ+Melo for Love+Frye prob gets it done?

    I spend about two hours of my day refreshing my feeds and re-reading the same rumors on days like this.

    Portland first rounder would be amazing but remember that ‘Melo has not reportedly agreed to Portland.

    Frank, I hear you but I still think that they could get a much better return should they decide to unload Love.

    If the Knicks were really offered Kevin Love for Melo, and I can’t find that anywhere, then we need to flip him and Courtney Lee to a team like Charlotte and get back some real assets.

    If Cleveland is now offering Love, it would behoove Perry to get OKC, Portland, LAL, or Miami involved with Love to extract assets more in tune with what we want.

    holy $@$^Q^

    Enes Kanter + McDermott + presumably CHI’s 2nd rounder this year? –> update confirmed by Shams!!!

    YUCK
    but not as bad as taking on Ryan Anderson.

    Man Presti is a freaking JEDI

    CHI’s 2nd rounder is pretty nice. Could/should be a top 35 pick.

    @ShamsCharania
    Sources: OKC is in advanced talks on a deal that includes Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a future draft pick for Carmelo Anthony.

    Presti is freaking amazing.

    Victor Oladipo, Sabonis, McDermott, Kanter, and a 2nd round pick for Carmelo Anthony and Paul George.

    Gotta hand it to him – he is freaking going for it. Respect.

    This is our 2nd straight hall of famer going to the Seattle/OKC franchise… also, Kanter is a good player.

    @wojespn
    New York has agreed to a deal to send Carmelo Anthony to OKC for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.

    And honestly kudos to Scott Perry too. This is probably a much better package than anything Houston would’ve given.

    Kanter might either opt out or be tradeable if some contender needs frontcourt scoring / backup big.
    McDermott probably sucks but at least he expires if he’s no good. And the 2nd round pick is at least a high value 2nd rounder most likely.

    I love it.

    Thank god Melo is gone, not getting back big contracts, a useful 2nd rounder and two 25 year old guys who have useful skills.

    We were close to literally dumping Melo for Ryan Anderson plus nothing, and now Perry got something much better.

    Kudos to Perry, it was really shrewd planning, patience and dealing.

    Now that is one serious glut up front. I’m ok with the trade, but KOQ and Noah has got to go..or maybe there’s a separate deal in the works for Kanter?

    Honestly I’m a little bit sad about Melo leaving in this way — but it’s like ripping off a band-aid quickly. needed to be done.

    Team is so much younger and more athletic now. Kanter and McD are both 24. THJ is 25. Frank is 19. KP 22. Willy 23.

    It’s exciting again — espeically since we will suck this year and hopefully will add a 19 year old Luka Doncic to the team.

    I’m a fan! The 31 or so pick is an awesome pick to have, McDermott is a decent young player, and I think Kanter can be moved for something at some point. The roster construction as of now is pretty crazy but who cares?

    Kudos to Scott Perry or whoever the hell is making the decisions these days.

    Now lets watch as the media and casual fans rip on the Knicks for getting “robbed” by OKC, when Melo had no intention of staying and the other real offer was for Ryan freaking Anderson lol.

    Next on tap should be trying to trade Lee and Lance.

    Right now 15 man prob looks like this:

    Guards: Baker, Dotson, THJ, Lee, Ntilikina, Sessions
    Forwards: Beasley, McDermott, Kuz, KOQ, Lance
    Centers: KP, Kanter, Willy, Noah

    On the bubble – Jarrett Jack

    This trade is about a bad as we could have feared.

    1. Kanter does some things well, but plays no defense at all and only adds to the log jam among out big men. We may wind up trading a good player like O’Quinn just to make room for him for 2 years.

    2. McDermott can shoot, but he’s a non entity in every other way and also does not fill any need.

    3. A Chicago 2nd round pick may have a tad of value, but it’s nothing to get excited about.

    This was the most useless trade the Knicks could possibly have made. We got back a 1 dimensional player and a bad player that don’t fill a need.

    Over/under on number of FGAs for Melo on opening night?
    And which poor soul will have to try guarding him?

    It’s an early Festivus miracle!

    Ding Dong the asshole is gone!

    Have fun fighting with Westbrook for the ball!

    LOL the Knicks were concerned about keeping Melo in the East. Like who the fck cares if he goes to the east or west. Just make the best deal possible

    melo: oklahoma city
    Lala: where dat? Near L.A.?
    melo: nah it’s in Oklahoma. About 1000 miles from LA.
    Lala: see ya.

    This is a good deal–Kanter is better than Melo, cheaper, and there’s actually a chance that he opts out next year. He could also be trade bait next year if he opts in as a big expiring contract. He also doesn’t have an NTC. McDermott doesn’t seem particularly promising but it’s nice to have him around if he turns into something since this will only be his fourth year in the league. And an early 2nd is basically a late 1st with a nonguaranteed contract, so that’s a home run. We’re gonna move KOQ next, probably. That’s arguable as to whether or not it’s a good idea, but we’ll get an asset back if we do so, and we’ll be measurably worse without him, which is exceedingly important in the Luka Doncic sweepstakes that we should be treating this year as.

    Instead of taking on Ryan Anderson for nothing, we got cap relief, two players with measurable skills that–most importantly–won’t hijack the offense or stunt KP and Willy, and an early 2nd (which, for the record we have like none of.) Great work by Perry.

    I know the Knicks make extremely dumb moves, but I don’t think they left some better offer on the table from an eastern conference team and then passed in order to get ‘Melo out of the Conference.

    @69

    Exactly. Damn, we were discussing which 3 year contract would be less terrible to take back in a trade for Melo, now we’ve made a deal that includes a decent pick, no big contracts and younger players with potential.

    Yes, there’s a big man glut, but O’Quinn is tradeable and Kanter is probably too, and it’s not like anyone except the most delusional people ever expect Noah to command major minutes anyway. Just play Willy + KP + Kanter + O’Quinn while Noah is suspended and it’s a good rotation which helps keep KP fresh.

    All in all, that’s not a terrible deal. Melo had us over a barrel, and we got what should be a nice 2nd round pick and some cap space for him

    McBuckets sucks, but he can shoot and he’s on an expiring deal, so maybe we can shift him at the deadline for a 2nd round pick or something. I didn’t want any part of Kanter, and he makes no sense at all on this roster, but Melo (whatever he does on OKC) was almost certainly going to suck again for the Knicks and we almost certainly would have had to buy him out next year. Kanter may even opt out next year or get arrested by Erdogan’s thugs.

    This trade is about a bad as we could have feared.

    1. Kanter does some things well, but plays no defense at all and only adds to the log jam among out big men. We may wind up trading a good player like O’Quinn just to make room for him for 2 years.

    2. McDermott can shoot, but he’s a non entity in every other way and also does not fill any need.

    3. A Chicago 2nd round pick may have a tad of value, but it’s nothing to get excited about.

    This was the most useless trade the Knicks could possibly have made. We got back a 1 dimensional player and a bad player that don’t fill a need.

    Why in the world would you analyze the deal in the context of what it means for the Knicks in 2017-2018, a year in which they were guaranteed to suck regardless of the outcome of Melodrama 3.0?

    As bad as we could have feared? Dude, Phil Jackson was about to cut Melo and just completely eat his salary for two years. Either that or trade him straight up for 3 years of Ryan Anderson. The absolute worst case scenario of this deal is we just have less money on the books for the next two years. That alone is much better than a lot of the other possibilities. It also assumes McDermott amounts to nothing, we completely blow the Bulls’ pick, and Kanter breaks every bone in his body or something.

    There is no way to view this trade negatively. Its worst case scenario is still better than it not happening.

    This trade is about a bad as we could have feared.

    I wouldn’t go that far but it does show that our front office is incompetent. It’s impossible to believe that Knicks couldn’t have negotiated a better deal from OKC. McBuckets stinks. I don’t believe Presti walks away from Kanter/Ferguson/Huestis/Chicago pick. If he balks then you could have sent him Randle and/or Kuz via their trade exceptions. Those are players who are better fits for OKC than Knicks in terms of skills and age.

    Is it possible Cavs might do this deal? Osman’s an intriguing prospect.
    Cavs……Lee/KOQ/Kuz/Randle
    NYK……Shump/Frye/Osman

    I would love to trade some of our players to Cleveland for Osman–he looked really good at eurobasket this year and plays at our main position of need (SF)

    This trade checks all of the boxes. Not sure how anyone can expect a much better result under the circumstances.
    The melodrama is over without costing us picks or cap space, and we get a nice pick back.
    This trade is a solid B. Kudos to Perry.

    Good trade. It’s not a mindblowing return but getting rid of Melo and the dreaded NTC is addition by subtraction. The team got younger and broke Melo’s impossible-to-move contract into two smaller, potentially moveable contracts.

    The Knicks as currently constituted are going to be a brutally bad defensive team, but that’s nothing new. The Knicks are brutal on defense every single year. Kanter and McDermott are both high eFG% guys, though: Kanter had a .549 eFG% last year and McDermott posted a .536 eFG%. This team all of a sudden got watchable. This was a major step in the right direction.

    Becoming a fan of this Steve Perry guy. Don’t Stop Believin’, y’all.

    B is a fair grade. I would have held out a bit longer, but it’s a fair deal at worst. Just not a home run.

    1) McDermott is a weak player but he makes $3.2M and doesn’t carry the Andrew Wiggins buzz that will enable a massive payday. He’s probably gone after the year’s out.

    2) Kanter is like an older, overpaid WHG, so I hope he’s also gone by the end of the season. If they get 2 second rounders for him from a playoff contender, I’d be happy.

    3) 2nd round picks are good. Very happy about getting more of them.

    4) Carmelo Anthony sucks at basketball. He’s no longer a Knick. I am fucking thrilled.

    All things considered the Knicks did good with this trade. We’ll have some cap space soon and we can flip some of our other assets into picks now. We need to trade KOQ. Love him but we won’t be able to resign him anyway.

    This is fine. Getting the Melodrama behind us was the main thing. The pick could turn into a useful player.

    Dont know, Kanter is a nice player, but we already have a logjam at C, and OKC had trouble shopping him. If we can’t flip him for something of value, I think I would’ve preferred Anderson + a future 1st + Hartenstein and filler.

    Is there any player whose catch-all metrics diverge more than Kanter’s?
    WS/48 = .183
    WP48 = .192
    BPM = MINUS 1.2
    VORP = .3

    He’s a WS/48 and WP48 star but a slug according to bpm and VORP. Kanter’s got a player option which will make it more difficult to trade him.

    I know y’all are relieved to be rid of Melo. I am too! But this trade is a “C” because they could have gotten a better deal from OKC. And who knows what Cavs were offering. I think we might have been able to get Osman and a Nets pick swap option because we could have sent them some players via their trade exceptions outside of main deal.

    The Knicks asked for Melo to open up his list of teams so a trade would get done. Melo wanted desperately to be traded this weekend before camp.

    As much as I dislike the guy, it would be a very shitty move to get him to fulfill his part of the deal (more teams to negotiate with) and not fulfill the Knicks part of the deal (respect his wishes to get traded before camp). Holding out for maybe slightly better offers would be a shitty move. I’m glad Perry got a better offer than the Rockets one and I’m glad the drama is over and we can all move on.

    But, but, the great Carmelo Anthony is a top 20 player…he only netted us a salary dump and a second rounder????
    Lol
    We have seen the value of the great Melo and he is wanting.

    He screwed the Knicks coming and he screwed the Knicks going.
    And he’s going to play with one of the biggest ball hogs in the game.

    A comedy

    That Nets pick was never, ever in the conversation for a 33 year old chucker who can no longer leave the ground

    Hoping Melo improved his trade value would be a reckless, dumb risk. He is firmly in his decline phase. His trade value is almost certainly only going down from here. We got a deal that gives us some cap relief and a nice pick for a guy that every advanced metric says isn’t good. We’d be insane to hold out based on the small chance we could get more.

    That Nets pick was never, ever in the conversation for a 33 year old chucker who can no longer leave the ground

    We’re talking a swap option here. That’s very different from just acquiring the pick outright.

    Just having Melo off of the team is worth everything. No more NTC albatross. On with the yutes.

    Okay, first reaction is the trade is a B. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind. 🙂

    The good: There’s lots here. No more Melodrama, though the media might report rumored deals that look better. No long term salary implications. In fact, both players acquired might be gone in one year. Good for this year’s tank, which I think is very important. The 2nd round pick should be early, so that’s nice, and maybe it could be packaged to inch up in next year’s first round.

    The bad: The two players picked up are nearly worthless on the current roster; neither plays any D at all. I wonder if the Knicks had stuck it out through the rest of the weekend if Cleveland might have conceded to a pick swap option with the NJ pick (of course they were not going to trade us the pick, but they might have gone for a pick swap OPTION). Kanter is really redundant on this roster. If he sticks around, the Knicks are going to have to play him to build some trade value, which might be bad news for Willy.

    Now, if the Knicks can turn around and flip Kanter to another team soon for a decent asset or two (2nd round picks? Young player?), I’ll bump my grade up.

    I guess Timmy will be playing lots of 3, which will not be good for D and rebounding.

    The Knicks should at least be very fun to watch, now, thought they’ll lose a lot (which is good for this year). The D will likely remain bad, but the team can run and has quite a few shooters. POINTZ!

    This allows the Knicks to play their optimal starting lineup: Sessions, Lee, Hardaway, KP, Willy. Having Melo on the team screwed that up, you had to start him and send Willy to the bench.

    The core rotation should be Sessions, Lee, Hardaway, KP, Willy, Kanter, McDermott, Ntilikina, KOQ, Noah, Kuzminskas and Lance. Baker, Beasley, Dotson and whoever else fighting for minutes. Jarrett Jack probably doesn’t make the roster. Would be great to flip one of the bigs for more PG help but that roster should be a lot more fun to watch than the Melo-Rose team from last year.

    Do not like the trade. They couldn’t even get a first round pick, which would have been a late one at that?! Kanter is redundant and McDermott is going on his third team now. What was the rush? I think they could have done better by waiting.

    It’s good to see the current front office continue the tradition of the Knicks getting hosed in trades. Some things never change I guess.

    The only good part is trying to imagine Melo taking in the night life in OKC.

    @100
    Camp opens Monday. The deal had to be done this weekend. I guess they could’ve waited a day to field offers.

    Melo blinked. The second round pick will likely be so early that it could be argued to be better than a late first rounder b/c of contract guarantees.

    WHAT A GREAT DAY! The Melocancer is out!We can finally focus on the future and the AL (After LeBron) West. Heads down and work. We can be back. Oh, and by the way can I place a bet for Anthony coming to blows with Westbrook during a game? Please, I want some free money…

    I’m trying to think about what this means in terms of minutes per position, just in general…..who needs to play, etc
    C: Kanter 24, Willie 24
    PF: KP 38, KOQ: 19
    SF: Lee 24, Thomas 12, Kuz OR McDermott 12
    SG: THJ 36, Lee 8, Baker 4
    PG: Sessions or Jack: 24, Frank 20, Baker 4?

    That leaves no minutes for Noah when he comes back. No minutes for Randle. I agree the move is to look to deal KOQ, Kanter, Lee and one of the backup SFs mid year or at the deadline.

    This reminds me of years ago when we had guys like Randolph and we gave them lots of minutes in Prig’s offense, inflate the stats, boost the trade value.

    Yeah this is fine. Perry achieved his goals in not taking on longer contracts and only getting guys under 25. He even got a decent pick out of it.
    The logjam at center sucks, but they’ll probably look to move Oquinn now and who knows if Noah can ever really play again.
    Now you just try to develop these young guys.

    BTW, last year when the Knicks signed Kuz, they hilariously listed him for a while on the team web page as being from the USSR.

    I cracked at the time that, if the Knicks acquired a player from Turkey, that they might list him as being from the Ottoman Empire.

    If this deal becomes official, they have their chance with Kanter!
    🙂

    Now we’re trying to convince ourselves that a secound round pick is really better than a first round pick???

    Ok we’ll go with that for now…. SMH

    Kanter may be redundant but he is a force on offense. Plus only 24. He is tradeable if we so choose.
    McBuckets needs a breakout year and went off against Sacramento near the end of the season. Perry might have noticed.
    This will be a much more watchable team without branding and jab stepping.

    @107
    Actually, I’m reading that Kanter is 25. Not a big deal, though.

    Unless there’s another trade to reduce the logjam, I wonder who gets minutes at the 3?

    A high second round pick that actually exists is better than a hypothetical 1st rounder that no one was willing to give.

    I definitely do wish the Knicks could flip Kanter or O’Quinn for another guard. The Knicks have so many good big men that it wouldn’t be fair to let one rot on the bench.

    I wonder if Phoenix would trade us Bledsoe for Kanter and a sweetener. They don’t have a center outside of Tyson Chandler.

    I’d still like a defensive minded young SF like Harkless. Might Portland be interested in one of our centers?

    Prepare yourselves for the day in the not too distant future when the front office extends Kanter and trades Willy. We will have traded Melo for the Center position equivalent of Melo! You know there’s a greater than 50-50 chance of that happening after the the Baker and Timmy signings and the pursuit of Waiters.

    Guys who might be on the market: Kanter, OQ among the big men. The wings: Lee, McD, Kuz, LT.

    Has it been confirmed that the second rounder is Chicago’s? Is there any limitation time wise on trading the guyspick we just got?

    @116
    I’ve read that several places, inc. cbssports.com. However, nothing is official, yet.

    If so, that’s about a good a second as you can get, as Chicago is very likely to be very bad. The pick could be in the low 30’s.

    Why in the world would you analyze the deal in the context of what it means for the Knicks in 2017-2018, a year in which they were guaranteed to suck regardless of the outcome of Melodrama 3.0?

    Because the idea behind a trade (even when you are in a difficult situation) is to improve your position at least modestly.

    The Knicks got back 2 players that can’t defend a lick and both play positions we already have covered with multiple players that should be playing ahead of them. It’s a total waste. The only saving grace is that we got back a pick, but it’s unlikely we are going to get a serious player in the 2nd round.

    As much as I hated the possibility of taking on Leonard (assuming the Trailblazers were an option -apparently they weren’t), bringing in a guy like Harkless would at least be a good fit with long tern potential. The only thing I want to do with Kanter and McDermott is trade them.

    This trade has zero to do with who we got back. It’s about dumping a horrible contract without hurting our cap space and without giving up any assets. Mission accomplished.

    Trades are about many things, like clearing cap space, dumping a bad contract or malcontent, getting back assets (good young players, draft picks), etc.. Dumping Melo was the main thing, but I think the Knicks got back two good, but not great, assets.

    The second round pick is a decent asset, esp. given that it is highly likely to be at or near the top of the round. Kanter might be, too, if he can be flipped for something. He can score and rebound, but not play D. He seems to have been very well liked in OKC, too. McD is just an expiring in there to make the contracts work.

    Even if the Knicks can’t deal Kanter, there’s the chance that he opts out after this year, and the Knicks gain about $18m in cap space for next summer. Now, this past season they overpaid a couple of guys, but maybe the new GM will use cap space wisely. If he doesn’t opt out, there’s still the chance that, as an expiring, he could yield something.

    Let’s see if any credible rumor of what the Knicks really could’ve gotten from Houston or Cleveland looks better than what they took before griping about this deal.

    I’m glad that the Melo era is over. The trade was a good one, but I can’t help but feel that had the Knicks held out until the trade deadline, they would have gotten more. But I totally get it. The team can truly get off to a fresh start right at the beginning of camp. There will be less drama and more of a focus on gelling. The Knicks are not done. There’s a glut of 2nd string point guards and centers. I can see them flipping these assets for more picks. I just wish that there was a 1st round pick in the mix. The second round is such a crap-shoot. We are younger and in a better position to move forward now. Good deal.

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