Knicks Morning News (2017.09.10)

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Going back to yesterday… Why not just implement a zone defense when Willy and KP are on the floor? Am I crazy or would that be possible?

Any opinions on the Cleanthony Early dismissal and his online response? Does he have a legit beef or not? Just curious.

Two things:

KPs been passing better during EuroBasket, it still needs to improve but it’s nice to see

Second: has anyone thought about bringing over Janis Timma? He’s been fantastic this tournament and is a great passer from the SF position.

Second: has anyone thought about bringing over Janis Timma? He’s been fantastic this tournament and is a great passer from the SF position.


KPs been passing better during EuroBasket, it still needs to improve but it’s nice to see

It helps when the players on the court actually execute a motion offense without the ball stopping of a “star” player. Another reason why Melo holds this team back.

Speaking of which, here is a wonderful analysis by Coach Nick of concerning the Knicks downfall as it related to the Triangle Offense. Guess what he found after looking at every offensive set of four Knicks game (our two highest and our two lowest scoring games)? He found that 1.) we don’t run the Triangle that much except in opening plays, 2.) our players lazily executed its plays, and 3.) that the two main culprits sabotaging it were our two “all-stars” from last season. I suggest everyone watch it.

@10 – yep, and he just signed a three-year deal with his current team – so even trading for his rights is a non-starter…

I don’t need to check out that website. That seemed to be pretty obvious last season for all of us who follow the team regularly. The “Triangle” was never the issue; it was talent and the terrible fit of bringing in Rose, even if most of the mass sports media remains clueless.


The breakdown really points the finger at Melo for being too lazy to even run the sets the right way. I mean, his lack of effort was just insulting to watch.

Melo can’t help himself. He wants to iso nearly all the time. Everything else takes too much effort for him, I guess. I’ll be so glad when he’s gone.


Its even worse than that. Even the play calls to isolate Melo he goes through the motions and cuts corners to get to his spot, so the offense is out of rhythm.

What’s frustrating to me is that I read stuff like that about him BEFORE the trade to the Knicks, so this shouldn’t really be a surprise to any reasonably well read NBA fan. He’s equally lazy on D, too, most of the time.


Its really embarrassing for this franchise that guy being paid his amount can’t be bothered to properly execute basic high school basketball plays.


Yeah, but he answered questions from the beat reporters last year like a real pro so they’ll continue to give him a complete pass on what was a truly pathetic season from a guy who thinks being ranked the 15th best player in the league is an insult to him.

I thought that Rose competed more and took better shots. Melo only seemed interested in chucking. Plus he was undermining the organization and the system which really sucked.

Choosing between Rose and Melo is like a choice between stepping in a big pile of dog shit or having a seagull poop on your head.

Both choices suck.

It’s much better to have only one of them instead of two. It doesn’t matter which one. I think their bad defense and ball hogging was synergistic. Team defense can incorporate one bad defender a lot of the time, but two is impossible. And having another ball hog, sorry “iso-specialist”, on the team meant that there were bad examples set all the time and no incentive to play in the system because someone else wasn’t playing in it either. However, we will see what effect THJ brings.

On Chris Webber, my suspicion is that the voters are holding him up due to the Fab 5. As ridiculous as it sounds, the NCAA (and to a lesser extent, Michigan) completely erasing the Fab Five era seems to be weighing him down a lot. Also, perception is that his peak wasn’t as high as McGrady’s was. The trajectory of McGrady was top 20 player of all time, barring injury. Webb’s was maybe top 50. I feel he’s HoF worthy, but…I don’t have a vote. And he’s likely going to be waiting for quite a bit more time if he doesn’t get in next year. Hill and Kidd (Kidd’s automatic) are up next, and though I’d argue Webb should get in before Hill, Hill is more well-liked.
2019, we have Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash and Ray Allen. Nash and Allen are first ballot for sure.
2020, he has another shot if Hill got in for 2018. Looking at the list, both he and Chauncey should make it, unless they go back in and put Hardaway or KJ or Sikma or something.
But 2021, Ha not a chance. That’s Kobe, Duncan and KG

The site isn’t working right. I posted a comment but it’s not showing up. Maybe the system doesn’t like the URL I included?

Still doesn’t work. I posted the following (with the link removed)

That is really tall for a point guard.

where the link was

The list is from 2013 and only includes pure point guards that played twenty minutes or more from 1990 on. But it’s clear enough that that much height is rare for a point guard. The only guys who come close in height to Ntilikina are Tyreke Evans (no. 4 pick), Shaun Livingston (no. 4 pick) and Alexey Shved (undrafted). The taller players generally did better in their careers than the shorter ones. Overall, an encouraging read.

The link came from Salt Lake City hoops, a blog about the Jazz. It was dated July 11, 2013 and discussed Trey Burke’s potential in the NBA. You will have to search for it, since Knickerblogger won’t let me include anything like that link in posts.

LJ was infamously 6′ 5 1/2″ (having been measured 1.5″ shorter than his “listed” height pre-draft) and has probably shrunk an inch or two since he stopped playing.

Even if Ntilikina is 6’5″ in stocking feet, that is still tall for a point guard. And if one is thinking will Judge’s and Johnson’s heights were overstated, it’s probably the case that a lot of the point guards we are comparing him to in height also had overstated heights. Any way you look at it he’s tall, and that will be both helpful and a suggestion he will become very good, assuming he has enough skills to play steady minutes next year.

I watched that triangle video and it’s pretty clear that running it 10% of the time (as a pure thing, I think we ran aspects of it a lot more) was running it 10% too often. Melo fucked it up, Rose fucked it up, Kuz fucked it up, Baker fucked it up, ect ect. Even his ‘hey it worked’ examples only resulted in 5 good shots by my count. One of the shots he called the triangle the way it’s supposed to work resulted in a triple teamed mid-range shot. Good example of technically correct execution being a mistake. I don’t even think the triangle is bad but whoever tried to teach it to the Knicks failed badly.

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