Knicks Morning News (2016.08.27)

  • [SNY Knicks] Phil Jackson missed out on trading for Jae Crowder
    (Friday, August 26, 2016 11:15:24 AM)

    Jae Crowder is a glue guy who would have helped the Knicks. Would his presence have made them better? Hard to say.

  • [NYTimes] Dodgers Land Ruiz in Catcher Swap With Phillies
    (Friday, August 26, 2016 6:48:27 AM)

    The Los Angeles Dodgers have acquired Carlos Ruiz from the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for A.J. Ellis, the teams announced on Thursday.

  • [NYPost] Jackson: Knicks could’ve had this breakout star, but I blew it
    (Friday, August 26, 2016 7:33:39 AM)

    “I think the biggest mistake I made was actually this…” Phil Jackson’s public comments — as well as the written retrospectives he delivers through proxy Charley Rosen — often are shrouded in a thick layer of foggy psychological mumbo jumbo. But there’s nothing vague or indirect about the Knicks president’s stunningly honest confession in a…

  • [ESPN] Phil Jackson: Biggest mistake with Knicks was not trading for Jae Crowder
    (Friday, August 26, 2016 11:55:52 AM)

    Phil Jackson: Biggest mistake with Knicks was not trading for Jae Crowder

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson admitted his biggest mistake as Knicks president
    (Friday, August 26, 2016 8:50:51 PM)

    The Knicks have missed the playoffs in both of Phil Jackson’s seasons as team president, so the Zen Master has made his share of mistakes.

  • 16 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.08.27)”

    Phil probably would’ve have later sent Crowder and a 1st-rounder to Boston for Rondo anyway, like Dallas did.

    I doubt it. Phil values 1st round picks (he has yet to trade away one, unlike his predecessors) and cap flexibility. Perhaps to a fault.

    Well, Phil was never really a Rondo guy so I doubt he’d have traded for him in the first season of triangle ball.

    I just can’t wait for the season to start. I’m anxious to see which young guys we keep and their subsequent development. Honestly- as far as the PG position goes, I have no issue with keeping Jennings beyond this season if he plays well in his role and he stays on as a 6th man. That may be the perfect role for him at this point. I’ll be rooting for him this season. I’ll be rooting for Rose as well, but the cost to keep him if he plays well is a bit high for my taste. Especially when you consider the fact that he’s more of an attacking lead guard than an actual point guard. I think Jennings has more traditional PG skills than Rose. Plus he has scoring ability and the cojones to take and make big shots. Maybe Rose has already or will be able to adjust his game mentally and physically and become a great asset in Hornacek’s system.

    I read somewhere that Rose has a skillset similar to Kyrie. Where? LOL..Kyrie is an incredible ballhandler and a better shooter. That the both of them are great iso players is where the comparison ends. Kyrie’s not great on D, but he actually tries. The article I read mentioned the hope that Melo can mesh with Rose like he did with Kyrie in Rio. Well..Melo didn’t have a great tournament statistically playing with Kyrie. But, the fact that you can trust Kyrie from 20 and out gives credibility to the thought that Kyrie and Melo can play well together. If Rose plays well enough to take pressure off of Melo, it can be a good thing. A really good thing. But defenses just don’t have to play Rose all over the court- even if he’s MVP level healthy- the way they have to with Kyrie. I still like the idea of Rose helping Melo, but Rose is gonna hafta play really smart ball this season and think more like a traditional PG.

    Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence to hear Phil say: “Anyway, for all of us, making mistakes are part of the learning process”

    Maybe I’m mistaken, but I don’t think Phil was hired to learn on the job.

    Ideally, Derrick Rose was the median between Kyrie Irving and Russell Westbrook. He had athleticism to rival that of Westbrook and had enough handle and ability to finesse his way past defenders like Kyrie. Of course Kyrie is the slickest ball handler in the business and arguably the most complete offensive weapon at PG, Westbrook is the most athletic PG ever, and Derrick Rose has been a bottom 5 NBA player since the knee injuries. It’s assinine to think Rose is as good as those those guys, but that’s who he was pre injury. Rose used to be the middle ground between Irving and Westbrook.

    Saying that Rose is the median between scoring PG’s like Kyrie and’s not foolish to believe that at 27- even with his recent injuries- that he can be that “median” again, right? Rose will never be MVP Rose again, but a median between Westbrook and Kyrie is still a really really good player. If he can manage say..18 & 7 without taking too many possessions away from Melo & KP, we will have won that trade by a country mile.

    Nah no way. He’ll only be the median between those two guys in his highlight tapes

    If he can manage say..18 & 7 without taking too many possessions away from Melo & KP

    If he can manage 45 and 12 on 50 FG% I think we got a shot bros

    PER of 18+ and a +/- of AT LEAST 4-5 and he’s a MVP again

    If he can manage 45 and 12 on 50 FG% I think we got a shot bros

    Ha!! Shit..if he does that, he will have officially re-defined the “Point God” label lol

    Nah no way. He’ll only be the median between those two guys in his highlight tapes

    Wishful thinking I suppose. My biggest fear with Rose is he’s healthy but will have to drive more than he did in his MVP season to maximize his effectiveness with Melo & KP, which at this point will undoubtedly wear him down and make him an even bigger risk for re-injury. *shudders*
    Now..if he manages to become a better shooter from 20 and out…

    Derrick Rose did average 19.9 points on over 50% shooting from the field after the ASB, but when you break those numbers down he just had several great games in February and then tailed off after that. I honestly don’t know what to expect from him. If he produces more than like 5 wins I’d be ecstatic.

    I am going to chime in here late and say that the fact that we didn’t pick up Jae Crowder when he was, it appears, freely available chaps my ass. I carried him on the taxi squad of a fantasy league I was in for two years because it was pretty clear he was going to be good. The college numbers were excellent, he was the Big East MVP. Yes, he was a little old, yes, he was a tweener, but there hasn’t been a more “scout the statesheet” player than Crowder in the past five years. And just watching the guy, purely subjective I know, but you could see that league average was a floor.

    I actually respect Phil for owning up to this one but it stings a little bit.

    I just got off the phone with my cousin in LA..and had a sort of epiphany when we were talking about the Knicks. Derrick Rose may have to come off the bench. His attacking style might be better suited for that role on this team. With Melo and KP leading that starting 5 offensively, I’m not sure if Rose has the requisite traditional PG ability to be more of a facilitator than an attacker. Jennings takes dumb shots, but he seems more adept at running an offense without having to score to initiate it. Especially with Rose not being as good a shooter from distance as Jennings. If the Knicks offense doesn’t revolve around Melo and KP, it won’t be a good look. I’d much rather have talents like Jennings and Rose play off of the strengths of Melo and KP, as opposed to Rose using his ability to attack to “create space” for Melo and KP. This isn’t OKC where it was just Westbrook and KD. There are at least 3 other players who can get 20 ppg on the roster, 2 of which will be in the starting 5. Jennings may be more likely to defer than Rose. On that second unit, I’d rather see Rose with a green light than Jennings. I really can’t wait to see how it plays out now..

    It’d be dope if that montage had some drive and kicks or explosive forays to set someone else up. But yea, when he’s aggressive- you can’t keep him in front of you or out of the lane. No matter how many times I see him do it, it’s still impressive. Like the Jamal Crawford crossover

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