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Knicks Morning News (2018.07.09)

  • [NYPost] Mitchell Robinson feels NBA-ready — and he’s playing like it
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 6:58:23 PM)

    LAS VEGAS — Mitchell Robinson got his contract and a double-double on the same day. Hours after signing a four-year deal that could be worth as much as $6.4 million, Robinson, the Knicks’ second-round pick, was an inside force again as he posted 12 points, 11 rebounds and two blocks in the Knicks’ 90-85 summer…

  • [NYPost] This isn’t the Frank Ntilikina Knicks were hoping to see
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 3:22:33 PM)

    LAS VEGAS — At this stage, Knicks coach David Fizdale is not ready to take issue with any of his young charges. After point guard Frank Ntilikina’s mixed summer-league debut Saturday, Fizdale wouldn’t nitpick about the 19-year-old point guard’s offensive production looking very similar to last season’s. In Saturday’s opening win over Atlanta, Ntilikina hounded…

  • [NYPost] Knicks lock up the draft pick they had to have for up to $6.4M
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 2:22:44 PM)

    LAS VEGAS — The Knicks were so worried rookie Mitchell Robinson wasn’t going to drop to No. 36 in the second round that they mulled trading up a few notches to ensure they’d be able to nab him, according to an NBA source. That’s how highly Knicks scouts had rated the 20-year-old center. Knicks general…

  • [SNY Knicks] Fizdale will let Knicks PGs ‘fight it out for who starts’
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 11:28:30 PM)

    New Knicks head coach David Fizdale said point guards Emmanuel Mudiay, Frank Ntilikina and Trey Burke will “fight it out” to see who starts in the 2018-19 season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks announce deal with second-rounder Mitchell Robinson
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 7:16:48 PM)

    The Knicks announced they reached a multi-year deal with second-round center Mitchell Robinson.

  • [NY Newsday] Fizdale will let Knicks PGs ‘fight it out for who starts’
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 11:28:30 PM)

    New Knicks head coach David Fizdale said point guards Emmanuel Mudiay, Frank Ntilikina and Trey Burke will “fight it out” to see who starts in the 2018-19 season.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks announce deal with second-rounder Mitchell Robinson
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 7:16:48 PM)

    The Knicks announced they reached a multi-year deal with second-round center Mitchell Robinson.

  • [NYDN] Calls made for Theresa May’s job over Brexit as government in chaos before Trump visit
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 2:30:00 AM)

    Prime Minister Theresa May is facing calls for a departure of her own over Britain’s exit from the European Union, as members of her own party turn on her plan for Brexit.

    May’s Conservative government has been thrown into chaos by the resignation of David Davis, the minister devoted to leaving…

  • [NYDN] Why we must diagnose Trump: Psychiatrists have a duty to educate the public
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    Consider a world where economists could not explain the economy, and investors had to fend for themselves. Imagine living through a hurricane while meteorologists are not allowed to report that a storm is coming. Would we say, since we all use money and all experience weather everyday, we already…

  • [NYDN] Let scooter share fly in NYC: Urban transportation must keep moving ahead
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    It is only a matter of time until the Birds migrate to New York City — that is, the scooter share company, with 2,000 scooters already deployed in Los Angeles and other major cities.

    The new generation of scooters, motorized versions of the standing kick scooters of youth, are becoming a viable…

  • [NYDN] His Court to pick: Trump signals a steady conservative course for the Supremes
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    Unpredictable, erratic, even crazy, are apt descriptions of Donald J. Trump, before he was President and now, but his first selection to the U.S. Supreme Court, steady, stable Justice Neil Gorsuch, was anything but.

    And it seems that President Trump is going the strong-and-sturdy route again for…

  • [NYDN] Bill’s brush-off to heroes: City unconscionably denies ill Ground Zero EMTs their sick days due
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    Anyone who toiled on the rescue and recovery efforts at the World Trade Center after the 9/11 terrorist attack is a hero. A hero. And that means FDNY, NYPD, city Sanitation crews, construction workers, emergency medical technicians — anyone.

    And those who sacrificed their health, poisoned by the…

  • [NYDN] Workers still wait: Govs. Cuomo and Murphy owe a raise for the airports
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Thanks to a last-minute objection from the billion-dollar airlines objecting to raises for tens of thousands of low paid cleaners, guards and bag handlers at JFK, LaGuardia and Newark Airports, the Port Authority withheld a vote on the new policy, due to hike pay on Sept. 1.

    Govs. Cuomo and Murphy…

  • [NYDN] LOVETT: With Trump set to nominate Supreme Court choice, Cuomo will rally voters in state Senate GOP districts on abortion issue
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    ALBANY — With President Trump set to name his Supreme Court nominee on Monday, Gov. Cuomo will kick off a campaign to call on state Senate Republicans to return to Albany to pass legislation to strengthen the state’s abortion rights laws.

    Cuomo will visit the districts of Senate Republicans considered…

  • [NYDN] EXCLUSIVE: Uber launches new ad highlighting its efforts to serve New York’s outer boroughs
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Outer-borough neighborhoods where it’s hard to find a yellow cab are being featured in an Uber ad as lawmakers craft new regulations on the city’s struggling taxi industry.

    New York’s top app-based car service on Monday launched the 30-second spot, called “Uber’s There,” with an ad buy of more…

  • [NYDN] Gianaris won’t endorse ex-breakaway Senate Dems; won’t rule out backing their rivals
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 12:55:00 AM)

    The following an expanded version of the second item from my “Albany Insider” column from Monday’s print editions:

    State Sen. Michael Gianaris, who heads the Senate Democrats’ campaign efforts, says he will not endorse any of the eight breakaway Dems who earlier this year returned to the fold.

  • [NYDN] Cuomo staffs up re-election campaign with former Obama and Clinton consultants
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 12:50:00 AM)

    With a little more than two months before the Sept. 13 Democratic primary, Gov. Cuomo has filled out his campaign team with firms that have ties to Barack Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Veteran operative Maggie Moran will be the campaign’s full-time general consultant in charge of managing…

  • [NYDN] Suffolk County executive to sign pro-union executive order in the wake of U.S. Supreme Court decision
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 12:50:00 AM)

    In the wake of a U.S. Supreme Court order that weakens public labor unions, Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone on Monday is set to sign an executive order barring the release of personal contact information for county employees in a bid to protect them from anti-union campaigns.

    The order is…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off on green cabs, primary elections and the Mets
    (Monday, July 09, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Bronx: I am a green taxi driver and advocate. For many years, the green taxi industry has suffered profoundly due to the arrival of app companies and the city not helping with jobs for drivers. Many wheelchair-accessible green taxis were literally thrown out and abandoned, as there were no opportunities…

  • [NYDN] Fifth boy saved from cave as Thai soccer team rescue enters second day
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 11:40:00 PM)

    Joy erupted in Thailand as the first members of the trapped boys soccer team were rescued, though now divers must save the remaining nine victims as rains threaten their plans.

    Eight boys and their coach remained inside the Tham Luang cave after four were removed on Sunday, more than two weeks…

  • [NYDN] 92-year-old Mexican man beaten with a brick, told to ‘go back to your own country’ by a pack of attackers — WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 11:35:00 PM)

    A 92-year-old man has been hospitalized following an alleged beating by a brick-wielding woman and several others in a brutal attack on that occurred on July 4, according to the Sacramento Bee.

    Rodolfo Rodriguez accidentally bumped into a young woman while trying to pass her on the sidewalk near…

  • [NYDN] Botte: Imperfect Mets still find new ways to keep approaching ‘rock bottom’ in another shutout loss
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 9:55:00 PM)

    The imperfect team nearly was “perfect-gamed,” which would have been the … well, you don’t even need me to finish the rest of that thought by now.

    Citi Field still is where the bottomless pit of another lost baseball summer in Flushing absolutely scoffs at the term “rock bottom” — as first-year…

  • [NYDN] Mets ace Jacob deGrom will be team’s lone representative at All-Star Game
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 9:50:00 PM)

    The one consistently positive aspect of the Mets’ season thus far has been a guarantee once every turn through the rotation that Jacob deGrom gives them a chance to win.

    Of course, the team has only won seven times across his 18 starts, but his exploits unsurprisingly resulted in the 30-year-old…

  • [NYDN] Hunger, fear, desperation: What came of an ordinary ICE raid
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 9:05:00 PM)

    COVINGTON, Ky. — It had taken a decade for Brandon Tomas Tomas to establish a life in America: a wife, a steady job and five American-born children. It took 20 seconds for that life to be taken away.

    An immigration officer looking for someone else spotted him and asked an innocuous question: “Cómo…

  • [NYDN] Woman says James Madison University student-employee raped her and school botched investigation
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    A Virginia college student says James Madison University bungled its investigation into a fellow student accused of raping her during a school trip to Ghana.

    The Harrisonburg-based school on Sunday defended its probe and its ruling in March that her alleged attacker — a student also employed by…

  • [NYDN] Mazzeo: Gleyber Torres’ stellar rookie season continues, as 21-year-old wunderkind and three other Yankees named to All-Star team
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 8:55:00 PM)

    TORONTO – Gleyber Torres barely hit in the spring after coming back from season-ending Tommy John surgery on his left elbow, and started the 2018 campaign in the minors.

    But after rediscovering his swing and having an unlikely power surge following his promotion to the big leagues, the 21-year-old…

  • [NYDN] No Yankees, including previous winners Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton, will compete in Home Run Derby
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 8:55:00 PM)

    The 2018 Home Run Derby won’t feature any Yankees.

    Giancarlo Stanton, the derby winner in 2016, said he won’t be competing in this year’s event on July 16 in D.C.

    “I don’t want to,” said Stanton, who is among the candidates for the final vote to make the All-Star team. “I’ve done it plenty of times….

  • [NYDN] Mets’ Noah Syndergaard shows off full repertoire in Cyclones rehab game, addresses trade talk
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 8:30:00 PM)

    Noah Syndergaard took an important step toward returning to the Mets rotation Sunday on Coney Island.

    Making his first rehab start since landing on the disabled list in late May with a strained ligament in his right index finger, Syndergaard, wearing a white No. 34 Brooklyn Cyclones jersey, allowed…

  • [NYDN] Smoky blaze at Manhattan cat foster flat leaves nearly a dozen felines homeless
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 8:15:00 PM)

    A kitchen fire at a Upper West Side apartment Sunday afternoon sent nearly two dozen scaredy cats scrambling for safety.

    Foster cat parent Bunny Hofberg received a frantic call from a pal around 2:30 p.m. that her third-story pad at Amsterdam Ave. and W. 73rd St. was “mostly on fire.”

    She rushed…

  • [NYDN] SEE IT: Kevin Knox throws down vicious two-handed slam in Knicks’ Summer League game
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 8:05:00 PM)

    Knicks fans better Knox on wood this is the type of player they’ll see in the regular season.

    Kevin Knox continued his stellar Summer League play on Sunday, displaying some of the freakish athleticism that led to the Knicks selecting him with the ninth pick in the draft.

    The 18-year-old rookie…

  • [NYDN] Brandon Browner, two-time Super Bowl champion, reportedly arrested on kidnapping charges, bail set at $2M
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 7:00:00 PM)

    Former Pro Bowl defensive back Brandon Browner was arrested Sunday on a litany of charges following a police chase in Azusa, California, according to NBC News.

    Browner was reportedly arrested for kidnapping, false imprisonment, burglary, grand theft auto and violation of restraining order.

    Police…

  • [NYDN] Chris Flexen predictably struggles in spot start as he continues to look overmatched against major-league pitching
    (Sunday, July 08, 2018 6:50:00 PM)

    Injuries have sapped the Mets of their pitching depth, leading to situations like Sunday afternoon when they have to turn to Chris Flexen for a spot start. The results were predictable.

    Flexen gave up five runs on five hits and three walks in three innings in the Mets’ 9-0 loss to the Rays. The…

  • 130 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.07.09)

    1. Frank

      I like Robinson’s potential but he is IMHO a long way away from being able to play consistent minutes in the NBA. If you ask me he should spend most of the year in Westchester. He was eaten alive by something called Thomas Bryant, was constantly swiping at balls with his hands, and probably is in terrible cardiovascular shape. In fact I think I read somewhere that the reason he was kept out of the combine is because his handlers thought he was so out of shape that he could only hurt himself there.

      That said – great hands and feet, super quick twitch, and he definitely plays with a high motor. With those skills to fall back on, it’s hard to see how he doesn’t become a contributor if not this season then the next. It’s pretty reasonable to me to project his development like Capela — as a 20 year old rookie CC played 90 min total, then 1500 minutes the next two years, then really came into his own this last season as a 23 year old. Nice job by Perry getting him on a super-team-friendly deal– what was it, 4/6.4MM total with the 3rd season partially guaranteed and 4th season = team option? It really doesn’t get better than that.

      Definitely liked what I saw from Ntilikina last night — it almost just seems like he has to believe that he’s big and strong enough to take it right at people. And his passing was MUCH better last night.

      Alonzo Trier – thought he was trash Sat, and he was burning dumpster trash Sunday. We win that game going away if anyone other than Trier is on the court.

      Knox was fine. Jumper not falling yet despite having some clean looks last night. Not sure what to make of his drives. Clearly he doesn’t have a lot of craft yet, but he really did get fouled all those times, and like the broadcasters said, it’s a skill to get fouled. His pullup off the PNR looked super nice.

      Overall I think it’s been pretty good. Everyone playing hard. Team looks very athletic which is so different from the Phil era.

    2. GoNyGoNyGo

      I’m not that impressed yet. They lost to a team that arguably included zero NBA players.

    3. Ntilakilla

      Judging Summer League performances based on W-L record is as bad as when people look at MLB Spring Training games as an indication of future success. This whole endeavor is about gleaming a glimpse of what our young bucks can do.

    4. Max

      Who cares about the outcome of Summer League games?
      It’s about young players traits&skills (or absence of) on which to work, not winning and losing.

      And we’re tanking for god’s sake! :-)

    5. alsep73

      Yeah, the score matters not at all. You can question whether Frank can break down defenses like that when the quality of the competition is higher – and I assume Z-man will question that early and often – but the fact that he even had the inclination to do it, and the moves to go with that inclination, is encouraging after that Game 1 whimper.

    6. Z-man

      Knox’s lack of a left hand really bothers me. But then I looked back at Giannis highlight reels from his first summer league appearance. The Greek Freak was longer and a much better ball handler, passer and defender, but otherwise the film looks similar in that he had no right hand either.

    7. Ntilakilla

      What we saw from Frank yesterday:

      — Drive & finish over smaller defender.
      — Stop & go for floater
      — Post-up fadeaway (like DeMar DeRosen)
      — 3-ball (1-5)
      — ISO dribbles for moving midrange J
      — Drive & floater
      — Bullies defender in post for turnaround J

      The skeleton is there for a nuanced scoring repertoire. He should be able to drive and finish/post up fadeaway over every smaller PG they match up on him. He just needs to not give a fuck and take over the offense without hesitation or second-guessing himself on the court.

    8. Early Bird

      @2,
      Not only did Thomas Bryant destroy Rob-Mitch last night, but the day before j. Collins lit him up.

    9. GoNyGoNyGo

      I don’t care about the score, but sub-par performance vs sub-par players isn’t a true indication of skill. Will Frank dare to drive on Harden? Can Robinson box out Boogie? Will Knox be dunking over Durant? I didn’t see anything that got me really excited.

    10. Ntilakilla

      Will Frank dare to drive on Harden? Can Robinson box out Boogie? Will Knox be dunking over Durant?

      Not a one of these questions will be answered by playing a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds against a Summer League roster so you’re dooming yourself to failure by unrealistic expectation.

    11. Z-man

      and I assume Z-man will question that early and often

      Why single me out? Why don’t you check the summer league game 1 thread and count the number of posters that questioned that? And did you read my comment yesterday saying that he should try to emulate Shaun Livingston’s game?

      Aside from some occasional trolling, I’ve consistently said that I think that Frank is not an NBA PG and never will be. Yesterday I saw him score 17 points on 14 shots. Two of them were somewhat off-balance turnaround fade-aways in the lane that bounced around the rim and dropped in. Another was a straight-on floater from 8 feet that did the same thing. He went 1-5 on 3’s. He had a strong straight line drive to his right where he overpowered a smaller defender who was off balance. I didn’t see anything other than more aggressiveness than in game 1, and nothing new about his game that would give me cause for optimism about his PG prospects. He better start consistently hitting that open 3-pointer or his prospects are not good. He’s not going to get by on pedestrian passing (for a PG) and defense alone, and that turnaround shot is hardly reliable.

    12. Ntilakilla

      Why single me out?

      LOL you answer your own question in the same post…

      Aside from some occasional trolling, I’ve consistently said that I think that Frank is not an NBA PG and never will be.

    13. Farfa

      Didn’t Thomas Bryant sign for Washington? Who is the guy who destroyed Robinson? Was it maybe Tony Bradley? O Diamond Stone (who I thought was good)?

    14. 2FOR18, understands math

      Yes it was Tony Bradley.

      I’d like to see Kanter, Robinson and Kornet split the center minutes from the jump. No reason Robinson can’t play 10-15 mins a night.

    15. Z-man

      @13 well last I looked, JK47 said pretty much what I’ve been saying all along. DRed has been skeptical for a long time. I’ll take their intellectual company over yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

      The skeleton is there for a nuanced scoring repertoire.

      Yeah, brilliant analysis. (More like anal-ysis, as in you’ve been up Franks ass from before he was drafted.)

    16. Z-man

      Frank Ntilikina reminds me of Joe Johnson

      In what way? Facially? There is zero similarity to their games.

      But keep dreaming big, maybe it will come true! As for me, I think Mitchell Robinson reminds me of Wilt Chamberlain. Just a matter of time!

    17. Ntilakilla

      I’ll take their intellectual company over yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

      My world is shattered. How will I go on?

      Yeah, brilliant analysis. (More like anal-ysis, as in you’ve been up Franks ass from before he was drafted.)

      Mad?

    18. thenamestsam

      Derozan makes his game work because he’s a pretty great shotmaker from midrange, because he’s elite at drawing fouls, and even then those elements don’t add up to a great efficiency, but one that’s good enough given that he can generate really high usage. That seems like a really weird guy for Frank to be looking to as a comp. Adding a post game is a smart long-term developmental objective for him if he stays at the 1 because it will be a good way for him to leverage his size, but to me it’s not one of the ten most important things he should be focusing on right now. At the moment he should be trying to get a handle (pun intended) on the basics. Run a competent pick and roll; make his 3s.

    19. wetbandit

      DeRozan became an OK 3 point shooter, but shot it more often, which was a huge turnaround for his game in the modern NBA. I keep seeing glimpses that Frank has an above-average 3 point shot, but he really needs to nail it to become a good starter- but he has time. He’s 19, and didn’t train with Fizdale yet in camp. We have to give him the year to judge him. He’s younger than Robinson, who we’re talking about developing for 2-3 years, for crying out loud.

      I really hope our impatience here isn’t reflected in the team FO.

    20. ptmilo

      He was eaten alive by something called Thomas Bryant

      Not only did Thomas Bryant destroy Rob-Mitch last night, but the day before j. Collins lit him up.

      Frank Ntilikina reminds me of Joe Johnson

      how many of you are bots?

    21. Ntilakilla

      @21

      Yeah, it took DeRozan awhile to figure out how to make that game work for him at an All-Star level. He didn’t even post above replacement player level metrics until he was 26. My guess is that Frank sees DeRozen’s footwork as something he can use when he was asked to play off the ball more often. It was nice to see him incorporate aspects of that game into his repertoire as a point guard. Postup fadeaways and turnaround jumpers can be useful for a 6’7 point guard when he’s being defended by 6’2 opponents.

    22. kevin5318

      Frank said one guy he was looking at tape of was Derozan. Its good to model yourself after the guy that has arguably the best footwork in the league.

    23. Farfa

      Whatever you think of Ntilikina, one can’t deny that his handle got much better. Maybe he’ll never be a PG, but the kid looks like he’s improving.

    24. 2FOR18, understands math

      Hmmm Deandre Jordan was drafted 35th. Maybe he’s a strong potential comp.

    25. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I go Johnson over DeRozan because DeRozan is obviously one of the top athletes at his position. Joe Johnson was a slower guy who could handle and beat you with a variety of slow crossover moves and had the ability to separate from just about anyone. He wasn’t an above the rim athlete and he was a good passer at the off guard position. I think Frank is going to live under the rim, contribute to ball movement, and use his size to score if he’s not shooting open 3 pointers. Defensively, he’s going to do his usual lockdown routine. If he never develops any other part of his game he’s on track to become Andre Roberson, and that’s still a useful player.

      Frank Ntilikina is a shooting guard long term who may be able to play point guard minutes for 10 minutes a night.

    26. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Knickerblogger is the kind of place where 10,000 minutes of shitty play will result in a “let’s wait and see what [whatever head coach we’re cursed with] does with him,” but 20 minutes of Summer League playing time is enough to plot a player’s WARP eight years from now

    27. bobneptune

      I think that anyone who isn’t ultra impressed by Robinson is simply a nattering nabob of negativism :-)

      The think that struck me last night was as he was getting hammered in the post by a smaller burlier guy, I flashed to KP getting Pwned by Okafor the first 3 times down the floor in his first game until it dawned on him to 3/4 / front him the 4th time down the floor and essentially ended Okafor’s career. KP had years of pro experience to figure that out, but Robinson hasn’t played at a level higher than HS and didn’t know what to do.

      He has elite skills physically and a body capable of putting on enough mass without loosing athleticism plus non Ewing hands. I’d like to be his agent in 4 years! He may not be ready for prime time like Kemp and Garnett, but he should get some NBA back up minutes and do double duty at Westchester a la Dotson last year to log sufficient minutes to grow.

      I am laughing at all the experts said Knox was lazy, can’t rebound, can’t pass, can’t defend, can’t attack the rim and can’t get to the line. The guy is 18 bloody years old…. he has requisite skillz to be a very good player if he gets the time to marinate a bit. I’m thinking he is a lot better than he was 4 months ago :-) He isn’t anywhere near ready to help a team win, but I wouldn’t be surprised that these guys become very valuable players in the fullness of time.

      They certainly aren’t Mike Sweenty or Mardy Collins….They have elite talent.

    28. ptmilo

      Joe Johnson was a slower guy who could handle and beat you with a variety of slow crossover moves and had the ability to separate from just about anyone. He wasn’t an above the rim athlete and he was a good passer at the off guard position. I think Frank is going to live under the rim, contribute to ball movement, and use his size to score if he’s not shooting open 3 pointers.

      I agree about Joe but his definning quality was a combination of excellent body control, fine motor skills (touch) and size (not just length) which allowed him to move in slow motion and get shots off on balance. Frank is close to the opposite of this, with mediocre body control, below average touch and a muscular but not at all Charley Roseny build. I don’t think Johnson is a reasonable model for Frank. Almost anyone would make more sense to me.

    29. bobneptune

      Knickerblogger is the kind of place where 10,000 minutes of shitty play will result in a “let’s wait and see what [whatever head coach we’re cursed with] does with him,” but 20 minutes of Summer League playing time is enough to plot a player’s WARP eight years from now

      Fair point Jowels, but would you not be deliriously happy had you drafted Robinson 37th after 45 minutes of play from what you’ve seen?

    30. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      I’m thrilled about Robinson. He looks like an NBA player to me, but it’s summer league so, haha, idk

    31. DRed

      My general take on Frank is that he’s not very good right now, but he does have some legit NBA level skills and we probably won’t know if he’s able to play point guard until he’s like 23. He’s also got the size to play off ball on the wing so it’s also possible he becomes a productive NBA player at a different position but it’s going to take some time regardless.

    32. Ntilakilla

      Frank said one guy he was looking at tape of was Derozan. Its good to model yourself after the guy that has arguably the best footwork in the league.

      Agreed. DeRozan is a unique example of someone who improved their ball handling by leaps and bounds in the NBA quintupling his AST% (25.0) from his rookie season (4.9) while maintaining the same 9-10% TO%. And it was all due to his super efficient economy of footwork handling the ball.

    33. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I don’t think the primary question about Frank should be whether he’s a PG anymore. It’s important in some respects because if he’s not going to play PG, then we still need one. But other than that, the important question is can he play basketball. He’s at least 6’6″ now and I would be surprised if he’s closer to 6’7″ based on what I saw when he was standing next to Knox. We know he can defend (probably multiple positions now) and we know he can make plays well even if not at a high PG level. If he’s not going to play PG, he’s going to have to bring some other things to the table like rebounding, a good 3 point shot, other scoring etc… I don’t care much if he’s the PG or not. Can he play basketball well?

    34. wetbandit

      Knickerblogger is the kind of place where 10,000 minutes of shitty play will result in a “let’s wait and see what [whatever head coach we’re cursed with] does with him,” but 20 minutes of Summer League playing time is enough to plot a player’s WARP eight years from now

      lol

      But then again, there would be nothing to talk about. Anways, I love Robinson’s game, hope he gets stronger and Capelaier, I don’t like Knox’s game, hope he gets smarter and Frankier, I like Frank’s game, hope he gets aggressivier and Knoxier.

      I really think if someone pushes the right Frank button he can turn into Mike Conley or Klay Thompson.

    35. ClashFan

      To me the big question about Frank and the Knicks is how patient will the team be with him? We keep hearing Fizdale talk about 2019 free agency, but I hope the Knicks just let Frank, Knox, and Robinson play and develop. KP is likely to still be a huge ? until the 2019-20 season.

      Adding a big name guy or two in 2019 would possibly create pressure on everyone to “win now” at that time. Just please be patient, Mills. Keep looking to add young players/picks for the next 2-3 years.

      My hot take from the first two SL games is that there’s reason to be excited (raw talent of some of the young guys) but also to remember to be patient with these guys over the next couple of years.

    36. ptmilo

      yeah it’s hard not to be excited about Robinson. He has a combination of defensive traits you just don’t see much. And even though he’s getting pushed around, he looks like that might not be a long term problem. he’ll probably have a lot of 17 minute foul out type games this year and count me in for those.

    37. Owen

      Frank just has amazingly little burst for a PG or really any wing player. He very rarely gets past anyone with the ball and he never seems to get going downhill to the rim. It’s tough to see him ever drawing a lot of fouls without those characteristics. That said, based off of the highlights last night, he definitely seems to be working on other ways to score, which is good.

      Love the passion for summer league. Apparently they had to turn fans away in Vegas because so many Knicks’ fans were there.

      Robinson looks pretty intriguing but the motor didn’t look that good. Excited to see how he looks when he is in top shape.

    38. kevin5318

      @37

      During the 2005 Eurocup basketball tournament, Calderon solidified his status as a bona fide NBA prospect by making 42% of his 3-pointers. (For comparison, Golden State sharpshooter and reigning MVP Stephen Curry shot 44.3% last season.) But he made just 16% from deep in his rookie season with the Toronto Raptors. Similarly, Knicks guard Sasha Vujacic shot 39% in the 2003 Eurocup, then hit just 27% of his tries as a rookie with the Lakers.

      That’s why I’m not worried about Frank at all.

    39. kevin5318

      Frank just has amazingly little burst for a PG or really any wing player.

      Frank is decently quick but it often gets mitigated because of his poor handle right now. I’m hoping that his explosion can improve when he gets more leg strength.

    40. Ntilakilla

      That’s why I’m not worried about Frank at all.

      Yep. We can also add Dirk’s .206 and Peja’s .320 3P% as 20 and 21 year old rookies to that group.

    41. Frank

      I think ultimately the best player to play next to Frank is probably…Kyrie Irving. Kyrie plays ball-dominant combo guard and Frank has some ballhandling duties and takes the hardest guard matchup on D. From Fizdale’s interviews it seems like maybe up to 3 players might initiate the offense on any given possession so the designation of “PG” probably doesn’t matter that much.

      That said — the team has been seriously missing anything resembling dribble penetration since… Jeremy Lin?

      Re: Courtney Lee – I’d try hard to move him to Memphis who really looks like they are trying to win. If we do it before the season we can do an asymmetric trade in terms of roster spots (up to 20 allowed in preseason) but if we wait until later we would have to cut guys in order to make it work. I can imagine something like Lee for Ben Mclemore, Jarell Martin, Marshon Brooks, and a 2nd round pick, then we would waive Martin and Brooks presumably. We could take Jamychal Green instead of Martin/Brooks/2nd round pick but we prob would have to give something of value up to get Green, who I think is pretty decent.

    42. Frank

      Frank is pretty fast but is not quick. He just doesn’t have a ton of wiggle. But he’s so big that you can imagine in a year or two he really could play bully-ball as an outsized PG. That play yesterday where he just put his shoulder into the backpedaling defender and laid it in — he should be able to do that to lots of PGs in a year or two.

      Good time to remind everyone that Frank is still younger than a lot of the 1-and-done 1st rounders from this draft, including Ayton, Bamba, SGA, Porter, etc.

    43. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I’d like to see Frank hit the boards harder. With his height and length he should be good for 5-6 rebounds per 36. I excused him last year (he had a few games where he rebounded very well per 36) because he was a rookie and thin. But he’s taller and stronger this year. If he can get 5-6 rebounds per 36 as a guard that adds some value. I don’t think he’s going to be a top scorer. We don’t really need him to be. But when you’re not a scorer you have to find other ways to add value. Rebounding is an area that I think he should do well at if gets aggressive in that area.

    44. Bruno Almeida

      Man, if we could kinda fuse Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina we would have a top tier superstar on our team!

      Jokes aside, they have displayed almost opposite skill sets in those 2 games, Knox is aggressive and relentless and has been able to attack anyone, but no ability to slow down or play in a controlled manner, while Frank is great on defense and shown some skills on offense, but plays too much under control, too unselfish and without explosiveness.

    45. Ntilakilla

      Gotta hand to Fizdale. Like Mills and Perry he says all the right things.

      Staying with the process of it. Not getting overzealous and trying to hit a home run or do something that deep down inside we probably know is not a home run. And just being patient with our development, the way we build our culture from the ground up. Doing it the right way, not skipping any steps, treating each other well inside the walls of the organization with what the Knicks stand for. Feeling proud about the name ‘Knicks’ and really trying hard to hammer that down.

      With time, people will see that it is a different New York Knicks. The recruitment will take off. We will get the right type of free agents in to go along with these talented kids.

      I wonder how they’re going to reconcile this philosophy with the expectation of going after FAs in 2019. Makes little sense to me to talk about patient development of 19 and 20 year olds while looking to plug in win now FAs who are going to be at their physical career primes coming in.

    46. mase

      I honestly wish fiz would stop talking about b-ball .. it’s time yo show and prove . I want his coaching to do the talking.

      I’m loving the interchangeable aspect of this core of Knox frank and kp and maybe Robinson. I want to see how these guys play before we dole out big money on a fa like Kyrie. Besides the fact when is the last time a big signing worked out for us? Since Allan Houston they’ve all been busts.

    47. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      For all the shit talk on Landry Fields over the years, I can’t remember another young Knicks wing who actually got up and dunked like that. Maybe I just have PTSD from 2013-14, because I don’t remember any of Tim Hardaway’s alleged 29 rookie-year dunks.

    48. lavor postell

      Besides the fact when is the last time a big signing worked out for us?

      It ended on a sour note, but I’d say Tyson worked out very well.

      Other than that and STAT have even had any major FA signings since then? We spent most of the 2000s over the cap and making dumb trades.

    49. wetbandit

      Hey, they’re trying to change the narrative on the Knicks, they have to overcommunicate it.

      And going for the right free agents in 2019 is what they should be doing, no? As long as it’s a young team-friendly-contract type of player like Troy Daniels or Stauskas, and not a Cousins or Rondo. I mean, what else should they be doing?

    50. mase

      They should be dumping older players and building/developing / creating a core… we have the makings of a core it’s time to cultivate that.
      Focus on moving Lee and Timmy using lance, kanter to Take back contracts and gather assets till 2020, then see where we are at in terms of big signings.

    51. Ntilakilla

      I agree with mase, there is a big difference between looking at FAs in 2019 vs. 2020. I think that extra year will make a big difference. No way we will remotely have a clue at the end of next season as to how we want to build this team forward. KP’s injury alone demands that we will have to wait until 2020 to gauge how far along he’ll be.

    52. alsep73

      Isn’t one of the reasons we’re trying for free agents in 2019 that we could do it before KP gets his new cap-clogging deal? How much more difficult would it be in 2020? Or would the expiration of other deals like Lee’s offset KP’s new money?

    53. wetbandit

      They should be looking at the right free agents, the right trades, and the right draftees all the time.

    54. alsep73

      we have signing rights, We can sign him above the cap

      Yes, but once we sign him, he takes up actual cap space. Which is why the plan seems to be:

      1)Sign 1-2 free agents in the summer of 2019;

      2)Take advantage of KP’s Bird rights to go over the cap with a fat new contract;

      3)Profit.

    55. mase

      So then the plan if we can’t move Lee is to sign Kyrie with kanter $ and buy out lance?

    56. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I could see Kyrie Irving coming to New York by himself if we win the draft lottery. As good as Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum are going to be, they won’t be better basketball players than RJ Barrett and Kristaps Porzingis. We also have a bunch of young players in Hardaway Jr, Knox, Ntilikina, Troy Williams, Mitchell Robinson, and Dotson that all seem to fit what Kyrie Irving does on both ends of the court. And if we actually have a decent amount of cap space with Noah and Lee coming off the books in 2020 we could potentially add another big salary guy, or we could move some of our youth in a trade for a guy like Anthony Davis next summer if he demands to be traded.

    57. Frank

      I dunno. Jayson Tatum might be pretty special. And Fizdale might be great, but probably won’t be Brad Stevens. And Scott Perry has made some nice signings and contracts, but he’s probably not Danny Ainge. It’ll prob come down to whether Kyrie wants to come to NY and not so much whether this team is better than that team, because unfortunately, that team in Boston is very likely to be much better than this team in NY.

      I have to say I was a little disappointed in Dotson last night. You would think as a 24 year old 2nd year player he would dominate summer league. Instead he was pretty invisible. Small samples as they say.

    58. swiftandabundant

      Boston is colder than NYC, has worse nightlife and is full of racists. Never underestimate those factors when considering whether an athlete would leave a good team like the Celtics.

    59. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      As good as Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum are going to be, they won’t be better basketball players than RJ Barrett and Kristaps Porzingis.

      Is this a joke? This has to be a joke.

      Tatum puts up a 1.0 BPM, .139 WS48, .198 WP48 and 1.8 VORP as a 19-year-old rookie, played as well as you can expect of any rookie in 19 playoff games as a starter, and you still think that Porzingis is going to be a better basketball player than him? The Porzingis who has never cracked 0.2 BPM in his career, who spent his third season in the negative range, and who’s coming off a catastrophic knee injury that may sideline him for an entire season?

      You’re trolling.

    60. djphan

      doesn’t kp have a massive cap hold? I doubt we can fit two max guys since we would only barely have enough for one…

    61. Bruno Almeida

      @68

      If I recall correctly the cap hold is 17 million, which replaces his 6 million salary. We could realistically have cap for one max deal by renouncing Kanter, Baker and Mudiay for a total of 26 million + stretching Noah or dealing Courtney Lee for example.

    62. nicos

      I wonder if Tatum doesn’t take a bit of a step back next season. A good chunk of his offensive value was based on elite 3 pt %-is he going to shoot 43% again? And even with that 43% shooting he still posted a negative obpm. He doesn’t rebound or pass much and how much of his defensive value came from playing in that system? Still, if the C’s would like to swap him for Knox…

    63. DRed

      The NBA gambling nerd Simmons has on his podcasts occasionally said that Tatum shot corner threes last season better than anyone in NBA history. That’s probably not sustainable, but given how young he is it’s likely Tatum gets better at other stuff.

    64. english_knick

      Re the cap – I’ve posted on this a few times before. Quick summary is we can get to one max cap slot in 2019 fairly easily – combination of Kanter space, stretch-waiving Noah, ideally finding a taker for Lee. That would get us to a max plus a bit more space. We can’t get close to two max slots unless we pay someone to take Noah to get his whole deal off the cap, and also find a taker for Timmy (ie give away picks or promising young players – bad plan).

      If we wait until 2020 it’s true that KP will have his full salary on the cap instead of a 17m hold. but if we haven’t waived Noah, he expires and so does Lee. THJ has his option. If he declines it we have a remarkably clear cap – KP, Frank, Knox, our 2019 and 2020 1RPs, plus a partial guarantee to Robinson – about $50m in salary. Even with min holds, we could get to around $55m in space.

      Personally, waiting for 2020 seems like the smarter play to me.

    65. chrisk06811

      KOQ said that he went to Indiana to play for ‘more than next years’ draft’

    66. mase

      72

      Thanks for that. 2020 makes more sense.

      Koq sour grapes, parting shot for not getting a big extension or what?

    67. GoNyGoNyGo

      Thank you Kyle O’Quinn. You gave this team your all. You deserve better. Good luck in Indy.

    68. alsep73

      @72: Thanks for that.

      Do you know if there are specific dates you have to stretch someone by? Everybody is talking about September for Noah, but if he and Fiz meet and make peace and we decide to roster him at the start of the season, can we stretch him before next summers free agency if we think we will need to, or would we ha e to wait for September 2019?

    69. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      That’s a totally fair comment from KOQ, and it makes me happy to hear it – it means the FO actually understands that we need a good draft position this year. It also makes me guess we aren’t the only ones aware that having Courtney Lee on this team makes no sense. You can’t sit him when he’s better than everyone we have (including Timmy), but you can’t play him either.

    70. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      @78

      September. That’s why it hasn’t happened yet (from what’s been reported) – otherwise you’re stretching more years, and thus sustain a higher cap hit.

    71. alsep73

      So if he’s on the team past September, we’re not allowed to stretch him til the following September? Or we can still do it in, say, June 2019, but the cap savings would be less than if we had done it in September 2018?

    72. Donnie Walsh

      I wonder if Tatum doesn’t take a bit of a step back next season. A good chunk of his offensive value was based on elite 3 pt %-is he going to shoot 43% again?

      I don’t know. Tatum shot 250 3 pointers last season. Reigning 3 point king Steve Kerr didn’t shoot his 250th 3 pointer until he was 27 years old, and nobody questioned whether he’d continue to be one of the great distance shooters of all time.

      Looking at Tatum’s splits, he was pretty darn consistent from 3 point range. Dropped off a bit in the dog days of January, but bounced back to elite status for the entire spring.

    73. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

      Or we can still do it in, say, June 2019, but the cap savings would be less

      Yes.

    74. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I think you can waive and stretch someone any time; it’s just the financial consequences depend on which year of the contract you do it in. In September it’s a new year as far as contracts go so there are fewer years of Noah to stretch, and the cap impact in following years is lower. That’s why people want to wait until then.

      But Honestly, there’s no point in stretching him unless we want to spend the resulting cap space on someone. There is a point in waiving him if we don’t want to play him. It frees a roster spot and lets him go on with his life. I don’t know if we can waive him and not stretch him, but then decide to stretch him later instead of when he is waived. That would be nice for us if we could do it.

    75. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      I’m not sure what you mean, the cap savings would be less. The later we waive him, the less remaining salary we owe, and the less money we have to stretch. That would give us more space under the cap in the stretch years

    76. thenoblefacehumper

      I don’t know if we can waive him and not stretch him, but then decide to stretch him later instead of when he is waived. That would be nice for us if we could do it.

      I’m fairly certain we cannot do this. That’s why it makes no sense to me to even think about stretching him or waiving him before we have an agreement in place with a free agent. It obviously sucks for everyone involved (even the guy making millions of dollars to sit around to some extent) but that’s the reality of the situation. Thanks Phil!

    77. TheOakmanCometh

      If Noah is healthy and Robinson and Kornet are on the big team, I’d like to see them buy out Kanter. Given our situation, Noah is more “valuable” to us than Kanter since he has an extra year beyond this tanking season.

      See if Noah has anything left, see if the young guys can contribute, and let Enes the Menace catch on with a playoff team.

    78. nicos

      I don’t know. Tatum shot 250 3 pointers last season. Reigning 3 point king Steve Kerr didn’t shoot his 250th 3 pointer until he was 27 years old, and nobody questioned whether he’d continue to be one of the great distance shooters of all time.

      Looking at Tatum’s splits, he was pretty darn consistent from 3 point range. Dropped off a bit in the dog days of January, but bounced back to elite status for the entire spring.

      There are 85 seasons where guys have shot .434 or better on 242+ attempts but there are only 5 guys who’ve averaged .434 for their careers with over 200 threes made. Is Jason Tatum a very good three point shooter- yes. Is he going to be one of the greatest shooters of all time? Not so sure.

    79. GianaDani

      Who is the best player in the Easyern Conference?

      Irving?
      KP?
      DeRozan?
      Embeed?
      Oladipo?
      Greek?
      Beal?

    80. hoolahoop

      Going forward, I think a lot of the existing 3 point stats are going to get shattered.

    81. english_knick

      Re the stretch provision, I think that’s right that it rolls over each sept. So from this sept, we’re stretching 2 years over 5. From next sept, 1 over 3. I think we can take the 2 over route any time from sept through next summer so I’m with those arguing you wait until there’s a clear use for the cap space. Otherwise let him ride it out to 2020 and get the full space.

      Also agree re preferring to waive Kanter at this point as there are no cap consequences and he really doesn’t fit. Only slight caveat is might he return a 2rp at the deadline?

      Slight issue we have is we have to waive someone now to create a roster spot! LT maybe?

    82. djphan

      the drawback with waiting until 2020 is that the fa crop is decidedly thinner… altho its probably better to forego free agents entirely until we have an established core and we dont really have anything resembling that yet…

      but that is def not gonna happen despite all the ‘right way’ talk…

    83. Donnie Walsh

      Is Jason Tatum a very good three point shooter- yes. Is he going to be one of the greatest shooters of all time? Not so sure.

      Yeah, it’s a good point. Of the 12 rookies to shoot 200 3 pointers at a +40% clip, Steph Curry, Wesley Person, Brent Barry, Mike Miller, Ben Gordon, and Klay Thompson went on to continue to be 40% shooters year in and year out.

      DJ Augustin, Gary Neal, Deron Williams, Paul Pierce, and Courtney Lee tapered downward as they got older.

      So, yeah, if he follows the trajectory of some of the guards on the list, he’ll have to increase is production in other areas.

    84. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I have to say I was a little disappointed in Dotson last night. You would think as a 24 year old 2nd year player he would dominate summer league. Instead he was pretty invisible. Small samples as they say.

      Me too.

      I was counting on Dotson to battle for the starting job with Lee in the 2nd half of last year and then be clearly ahead of Lee this year if we didn’t trade him. I keep seeing flashes of things that make me optimistic about his overall game, but he can’t seem to get his shot going consistently in games.

    85. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      KOQ said that he went to Indiana to play for ‘more than next years’ draft’

      On our present course KP may be saying that at the end of his “next” contract because quite a few of our key players (if you include next year’s draft pick) may still not be at their peak. :-)

    86. swiftandabundant

      KP is what, 8 years younger than KQ and would make like 60 million less if we walked and didn’t resign with us. But yes, lets take the fact that our back up center decided to sign with another team as proof that we screwed up again bc LOLKNICKS4EVA AMIRITE?

    87. dtrickey

      I was counting on Dotson to battle for the starting job with Lee in the 2nd half of last year and then be clearly ahead of Lee this year if we didn’t trade him. I keep seeing flashes of things that make me optimistic about his overall game, but he can’t seem to get his shot going consistently in games.

      I think the realistic view on Dotson has always been that he could be a solid rotation player as opposed to full time starter. Honestly, if he amounts to nothing more than a rotation player that can come off the bench, hit a few 3’s, grab some boards and play respectable D, that is a pretty good return on a second round pick.

      Off topic and early days, but Houston are having a not so great off-season. Losing Ariza and now Mbha a Moute are huge and basically remove any advantage they may have had against GSW. Especially if they are going to replace either of them with Melo. Still a lot of FA left, but not going great.

    88. Brian Cronin

      I can’t believe Houston lost Mbah a Moute, as well. That reeeeeeeally fucks them over. They could deal with losing Ariza specifically because they still had Mbah a Moute. Melo will be sort of useful for them, but he sure as heck is not a good replacement for either Ariza or Mbah a Moute.

    89. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      KP is what, 8 years younger than KQ and would make like 60 million less if we walked and didn’t resign with us. But yes, lets take the fact that our back up center decided to sign with another team as proof that we screwed up again bc LOLKNICKS4EVA AMIRITE?

      It was meant to be humor, but there was an element of seriousness to it. We are choosing to allow productive players on attractive contracts to walk in favor of all out tanking. Without making a value judgement on it, our long term core players right now look to be Porzingis, Frank, Knox, Robinson, and whoever we draft after the tank next season. That full core is at least 5-6 years away from peaking assuming a few of them actually get very good. Knox, Frank, and next year’s pick are still teenagers. KP should probably get used to playing for draft picks for awhile longer unless we are masterful at drafting or sign some all star caliber players in the next couple of years.

    90. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Houston went from contender to New Clippers very quickly. I expect them to be good again this year and I think Melo would be a plus player in Houston, but they just don’t have anybody who can even slow down Kevin Durant.

      Dotson is going to be fine. It would be nice to see him dominate the SL but he’s not the priority in Vegas. The Big 3 is Frank, Kevin, and Mitchell, so Dotson really just has to play high energy defense and hit his shots.

    91. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Loses Ariza.
      Loses Mbah a Moute.
      Signs Michael Carter Williams.
      Can’t agree on a deal with Capela.
      May bring in Melo.

      Daryl Morey is obviously an incompetent boob. :-)

      (then again maybe he’s not done?)

    92. swiftandabundant

      @ 102 – which is why they want to add a big name to the team next year like Kyrie. 5th year KP and Kyrie with a bunch of young players who are improving will probably make the playoffs in a weak east. Then you hope KP and the rest of the youngsters keep improving, which they should hopefully.

      I too was all about waiting till 2020, but I now see the logic of adding one next year. I just wouldn’t trade away any of the youngsters or draft picks to clear space for two stars plus KP next year. Add Kyrie to KP, keep drafting and developing and we’ll have as good of a shot as we’ve had in the last 15 years to be relevant.

    93. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      The Knicks’ plan is probably to go all in on Kyrie Irving next summer and then to throw the kitchen sink at NOLA for Anthony Davis. I doubt we’ll actually have cap space to make a big move in 2020 if we hand out two max deals (KP and Kyrie) and a top 3 lottery pick salary next summer, so if you’re looking to add another all star it’s gotta be via trade. I’m not sure we have enough to land Anthony Davis, but I do know it’s going to be impossible to move enough money to sign two max contract players plus KP this summer.

      I could see a situation where Tim Hardaway, Kevin Knox, a 2020 1st round pick, and Mitchell Robinson is the best deal on the table for NOLA. NOLA is going to have to listen next summer as they run the risk of losing AD, and if we’re going after (and landing) Kyrie, we won’t have time to develop Knox into Danilo Gallinari. Boston and Houston could offer better deals, but if I’m a GM I’m not doing business with Danny Ainge, and I’d need more than Clint Capela for AD.

    94. DRed

      Replacing Mbah a Moute with Melo would be a clown move bro. They should try to sign James Ennis.

    95. GianaDani

      Kyrie & KP healthy with a bunch of one dimensional young & veteran players will be a top 4 team in EC.

      There is not single player out there in the EC that can win a playoff series by themselves other than a Kyrie Irving.

    96. DRed

      Betting on Kyrie to stay healthy seems like a really smart play. He’s done it 3 out of 7 regular seasons-he’s due for some health.

    97. thenoblefacehumper

      Kyrie Irving is probably in the 99th percentile of Knicksy players, but alas, he’s still a Knicksy player and thus if we sign him to a max contract I can only predict that it will end in a Knicksy way.

    98. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I doubt Kyrie Irving will stay healthy, but I wouldn’t mind having him for his age 27-31 seasons. If we were actually able to pair him with Anthony Davis, Porzingis, and RJ Barrett it would be worth every penny.

    99. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I love Kyrie in a theoretical sense.

      Kyrie, KP, and Knox could easily become one of the most dynamic scoring threesomes in the league in a 3 years. Throw in Frank as a secondary playmaker alongside Kyrie while taking the tougher defensive assignment and possibly Robinson scoring efficiently on lower usage inside and shutting down the paint with KP and we are talking about a pretty serious team.

      The risk is having both Kyrie and KP on the same team. That’s a lot of injury risk to take on both from a contract perspective view and chance to win big. I guess a lot will depend on how Kyrie holds up next year and how KP comes back.

    100. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Replacing Mbah a Moute with Melo would be a clown move bro. They should try to sign James Ennis.

      You would literally have to pay ME to take Melo.

      He’s a negative on defense.

      His game has deteriorated to the point he’s a negative on offense.

      Once you put him on bench or take him out of the rotation he’s going to become a negative in the locker room.

      Why would any good team want him?

    101. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      If we are successful in acquiring Kyrie Irving I think we have to do an immediate pivot and harass NOLA until they give us Anthony Davis. Once that contract is signed there is no waiting for Knox and Robinson to develop. Ntilikina would be in year 3 at that point and should at least be a full blown lock down defender that you can slide next to Irving. Maybe the Knicks think Irving, TH2, Knox, Porzingis, Robinson, and the 2019 1st round pick is good enough, but Anthony Davis might be the best player in the league starting this season and he will be on the trade block. If Irving is indeed the play, then we need to be setting up maneuvers to land AD.

    102. Brian Cronin

      Replacing Mbah a Moute with Melo would be a clown move bro. They should try to sign James Ennis.

      I think they’re just extremely limited with what they can do. They couldn’t give Ariza a big money contract when he’s clearly in the decline phase and they were limited on what they could offer Mbah a Moute, as well. So Melo on the minimum would not be good, but they’re so constrained in what they can do, I can see it happening.

    103. dtrickey

      They really needed to move that Ryan Anderson contract, although I am not so sure that is an easy task ATM.

      Also, really love Denver signing Torrey Craig on the 2 year $4 million offer. Had the opportunity to see him play a fair bit when he was playing in Australia. Perfect contract for a energy guy/defensive stopper (especially on an offensively minded Denver roster) and his shot has gradually improved. Deal even better now Chandler is out. If the Knicks are making any moves, that’s the kind of deal I would like to see as opposed to blowing our wad on Ron Baker (even though I have an unreasonable love for the scrappy scamp).

    104. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      They really needed to move that Ryan Anderson contract, although I am not so sure that is an easy task ATM.

      That’s one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

      Morey has to find a few bargain contracts and promising young players that he can roll up into a more productive player that’s ready now because he’s on the clock with CP3 who is getting older.

    105. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Morey looks good because he’s (1) traded for two Hall-of-Fame guards (2) found Capela, who is a legit max player and (3) hasn’t made any franchise-crippling deals, a la Wiggins/LaVine/Bargnani/Melo. The Lin and Asik contracts didn’t work out (but didn’t cost much), Anderson’s contract is godawful, the signing of Howard yielded nothing but locker-room cancer, and he hasn’t done much in the draft outside of Capela, unless you want to count the rookie contract of Chandler Parsons. Give him credit for putting together a package for “future perennial 6MotY James Harden,” but there were plenty of smart people who saw him as a championship piece. That Presti didn’t doesn’t make Morey a genius.

      I think his many failings are saved by his few extreme-value moves. Moving Harden to PG is a stroke of genius — not sure who gave the green light on it.

      Anyone who voluntarily signs MCW gets a vote of no-confidence from me. If he signs Carmelo at any price, I’m willing to wager that he’s a secret idiot.

    106. JK47

      Houston seems to be at the “hope and pray for the Warriors to suffer several injuries” part of their win curve.

    107. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, even if the warriors suffer multiple injuries, without any depth and with Melo and MCW playing roles instead of better players is Houston even a threat? Can’t they just lose to the Lebron Lakers?

      If Paul is healthy for the playoffs I can see them being the 2nd best team still, but that’s not a guarantee in any situation. They have a seriously shallow roster if anything happens to their main players.

    108. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      LeBron’s Lakers are officially the team nobody wants to play but they’re not better than Houston. I’m obviously in the minority here but D’Antoni and Chris Paul is a totally different situation from Billy Donovan and Russell Westbrook. Not just that, but Melo had to be the #3 option on an OKC team that simply wasn’t very good. In Houston, Melo is playing behind CP3, Harden, and Capela so I see room for improvement in his numbers from last season. Losing PJ Tucker, Ariza, and Mbah A Moute is a problem but they’re still the number 2 team in the Western Conference.

    109. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      So the Rockets got a new owner and immediately lost two or three good role players to free agency. It could be a coincidence, but if I am a Houston fan, I’m worried

    110. Brian Cronin

      Losing PJ Tucker, Ariza, and Mbah A Moute is a problem but they’re still the number 2 team in the Western Conference.

      They didn’t lose Tucker. They’d be really fucked if they lost him on top of Ariza and Mbah a Moute, as he’s pretty much the key to their small ball lineups.

    111. Brian Cronin

      I mean, even if the warriors suffer multiple injuries, without any depth and with Melo and MCW playing roles instead of better players is Houston even a threat? Can’t they just lose to the Lebron Lakers?

      MCW took a minimum deal. I doubt he’s really going to play any minutes for them. He’s essentially replacing, Bobby Brown and Briante Weber. They really didn’t have an actual back-up point guard last season. So I don’t mind MCW as a break-in-case-of-emergency guy. He can also play the type of defense they like to play (he can switch with the best of them). He just has no offensive game at all (like, at all).

    112. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Houston has Harden, Paul and Capela as a core. Of course LA could make more moves or just be better than expected, but that seems better than Lebron, McGee, Rondo and Ball. You could say their young guys will get better, but, in someways, Lebron could stifle their development. But what do I know, it’s not written in stone

    113. Ntilakilla

      Celtics fans are a little jealous that we got Mitchell Robinson. Robert Williams hasn’t exactly been everything they hoped for so far in the offseason.

    114. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      LeBron’s Lakers are officially the team nobody wants to play but they’re not better than Houston.

      They sure aren’t. That team looks like dogshit to me. Still trying to figure out how the GOAT decided that a few years of Hollywood was worth more than a serious shot at another 2-3 championships with Philly. The difference between their rosters is stark, and even with LeBron they might not reach 60 wins. The idea of the Lakers finishing more than a few games over .500 is downright absurd to me.

      I think he might be angling for Davis to join him in LA, in which case, sure, you can compete. But with LeBron’s prime soon to become a thing of the past (I’m sure I said this in 2012, but still, he can’t keep getting away with it), it doesn’t matter.

      The Lakers are irrelevant past the first round unless Lonzo or Kuzma or Ingram truly take the leap. I don’t see it happening.

    115. Ntilakilla

      I don’t see Lebron putting up Lonzo’s entourage so a trade is imminent one way or the other and it will probably involve Kawhi. Supposedly, the King wants to play more off the ball as a 4 in the Lakers new look offense. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    116. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      I’d read that too, and again, not going to Philly makes no sense whatsoever! Simmons is a pure point guard, Embiid will demand touches (and deserve them) and the rest of their offense is motion, all the time. Screens and cuts everywhere. He could get 10+ points per game at the rim without dribbling.

      Just makes no sense. Maybe he knows that Magic Johnson is a starfucker who’ll give him a 5-year max Bird extension in 2022 at like 40% of the cap. That would work, right? 4 consecutive years? You know, I hadn’t thought of that until now…

    117. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

      Celtics fans are a little jealous that we got Mitchell Robinson.

      Boy are they spoiled.

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