(Monday, July 09, 2018 5:20:52 PM)
LAS VEGAS — “When is Kevin Knox going into the Hall of Fame?’’ one NBA scout asked a New York reporter Monday at Thomas & Mack Center. The talent evaluator was jesting, but it’s evidence of the buzz created among NBA cognoscenti by the 6-foot-9 Knicks lottery-pick forward at the Las Vegas summer league after…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 12:05:36 PM)
LAS VEGAS — A year ago, Knicks young guard Ron Baker sat atop the world, signing a shocking new two-year, $9 million contract with the coveted room exception. Off a promising Cinderella rookie year, he gained a reputation as a hard-nosed physical defender and became a prominent piece of the franchise’s young core. Even though…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 11:08:43 AM)
Kyle O’Quinn is throwing his weight around again — this time at the Knicks. After leaving New York and agreeing to sign with the Pacers on Friday, the center explained his decision, telling reporters Monday, “I wanted to play for something more than next year’s draft.” The 28-year-old played the last three seasons in the Garden,…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 6:14:16 AM)
Unlike Knicks fans, Joakim Noah wants Joakim Noah to stay with the Knicks. The $72 million man told TMZ this week he wants to remain in New York and play under David Fizdale. “Coach Fiz is cool, man,” Noah said. The Post’s Marc Berman has reported the Knicks are trying to move Noah’s behemoth of…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:32:08 PM)
Amid pundits and fans saying the 2016 spike in N.B.A. compensation led to a lopsided league, Roberts defended the players’ union’s position.
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:20:47 PM)
Playing with the Boston Celtics, Ramsey pioneered a versatile role in pro basketball while with seven championship teams, earning him a place in the sport’s Hall of Fame.
(Monday, July 09, 2018 3:06:11 PM)
“I wanted to play for something more than next year’s Draft,” former Knicks center Kyle O’Quinn said upon joining the Pacers
(Monday, July 09, 2018 2:49:43 PM)
The Knicks released their preseason schedule that kicks off on October 1st.
(Monday, July 09, 2018 10:35:52 AM)
Knicks fans may want to rethink their booing of Kevin Knox on Draft night after what he has shown in his first taste of the NBA.
(Monday, July 09, 2018 12:44:17 PM)
Joakim Noah, who faces an uncertain future with the Knicks, said “I love New York” when asked whether he wants to remain with the team.
(Monday, July 09, 2018 12:44:17 PM)
Joakim Noah, who faces an uncertain future with the Knicks, said “I love New York” when asked whether he wants to remain with the team.
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:00:00 AM)
Harvey Weinstein’s damage-control guru Juda Engelmayer is keeping a low profile.
On Monday, Weinstein was arraigned on two counts of predatory sexual assault stemming from an alleged 2006 encounter. Prosecutors have now filed criminal charges on behalf of three women who’ve made similar claims…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:00:00 AM)
A longtime bus and train thief shouldn’t cruise out from under the watchful gaze of his psychiatrists, a doctor testified Monday.
Though Darius McCollum, 52, has pleaded guilty to stealing an empty Greyhound bus due to mental disease — just another rap for a man who’s been arrested more than 30…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:15:00 AM)
Actor George Clooney has been hospitalized after a car accident in Sardinia, according to local reports.
Clooney was on a scooter Tuesday morning when he collided with a car near Costa Corallina on the island of Sardinia, according to La Nuova Sardegna.
The report said that the 57-year-old was…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:00:00 AM)
As New York begins a long-overdue overhaul of the city’s unacceptably dangerous, chaotic and inefficient method of disposing of garbage from commercial establishments, the name to keep in mind is Mouctar Diallo.
He was a 21-year-old immigrant from Guinea with a loving family and his whole life…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:10:00 AM)
Like a criminally reckless truck driver who calls the cops on cars going a smidge over the speed limit, the American President who has done more than any other to weaken the postwar U.S.-European alliance complains endlessly about the failure of Germany, France, Britain and others to pony up their…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:05:00 AM)
Low-achieving city kids surely applaud the shrinking ranks of students required to go to summer school. The rest of us should stand up and jeer.
This year, for the fourth year in row, the percentage of third to eighth graders made to attend summer classes dropped.
In Bill de Blasio’s first year…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:00:00 AM)
The state senators who’ve set speed cameras on course to shut down in just two weeks attack the devices as roadside bandits targeting motorists — a complaint some drivers ladle with laments that Mayor de Blasio’s Vision Zero speed limits, bike lanes and pedestrian head-start lights slow driving…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:35:00 AM)
Five people were found dead inside a home in Delaware late Monday evening, according to reports.
Delaware State Police confirmed to the Daily News they’re investigating the gruesome scene outside Wilmington after reports of violence.
A 42-year-old man, 41-year-old woman, and three children under…
(Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:00:00 AM)
A fun first baseball game
Plattsburgh, N.Y.: I just attended my first baseball game on a steamy July 1, and it was a blast! I’m glad it was to see the Yankees vs. Red Sox at Yankee Stadium. I traveled from upstate to knock out a bucket list item and was pleasantly surprised at the well-behaved…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 11:10:00 PM)
The last four Thai soccer players and their coach trapped deep in a flooded cave for days on end will see an end to their ordeal if the last rescue effort goes well.
Rescue head Narongsak Osottanakorn said that the last five members of the “Wild Boars” team stuck in the caverns of the cave Tham…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 10:40:00 PM)
Brian Cashman thinks Donald Trump hit a grand slam with his controversial Supreme Court nominee.
The Yankees GM signed a letter endorsing Brett Kavanaugh, the conservative stalwart who if confirmed by the senate will further shift the court to the right in the midst of Justice Anthony Kennedy’s…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 10:30:00 PM)
French rockers Phoenix took 1,800 concertgoers on a sonic Euro trip Monday night as they carried on with the fourth show of their five-night Brooklyn residency.
For the occasion, the band transformed East Williamsburg’s Brooklyn Steel into a vintage ‘80s Italian discotheque, complete with a gelato…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 10:30:00 PM)
Cops on Monday nabbed an alleged pipe-wielding panhandler who bashed a subway straphanger in the head for refusing to cough up some change.
Detectives busted Geovannie Nieves, 35, of Brooklyn in the Saturday attack on Michael Van Sluytman, 59, on a downtown No. 2 train near the Chambers St. station…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 10:25:00 PM)
This couple’s honeymoon turned into a nightmare.
An Israeli man was killed after he crashed into his new bride in a freak zip line accident in Honduras, according to the Jewish Telegraph Agency.
Egael Tishman, 24, and Shif Fanken, 27, somehow collided with each other on a treetop canopy near Roatan,…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 10:20:00 PM)
If Carmelo Anthony chooses Mike D’Antoni over LeBron James that would be a biggest upset since Paul George picked Oklahoma City over Los Angeles.
What’s next for Carmelo, vacationing in Montana with Phil Jackson? The Houston Rockets have more incentive than ever to reunite Carmelo with Mike D’Antoni…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 9:45:00 PM)
Councilman Jumaane Williams on Monday night was arrested while protesting President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee pick at Trump Tower.
Cops busted seven demonstrators, including the Brooklyn politician, for blocking traffic outside Trump’s Fifth Ave. high-rise after he tapped the staunchly conservative…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 9:25:00 PM)
BALTIMORE — Like Aaron Judge told Manny Machado in May, earning a slap on the wrist from baseball for his public recruitment of the Orioles’ superstar shortstop as a result:
No. 13 would look good in pinstripes.
It’s just he’d look much better in them if the Yankees simply signed him as a free…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 9:20:00 PM)
Even though his Mets lost, Mickey Callaway claims he won a game of chicken over Phillies manager Gabe Kapler on Monday night.
In the eighth inning of the Mets’ 3-1 loss, Callaway bizarrely beat Kapler to the punch by announcing a pitching change before the Phillies’ skipper could pinch-hit for…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 9:05:00 PM)
The Bigger Apple is more like it.
Obesity among New York City residents is a growing trend — up from 27% to 32% between 2004 and 2014, according to a report out Tuesday.
That’s a key finding in a series of studies published online Tuesday in the Journal of Urban Health conducted by NYU School of…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:30:00 PM)
Wilmer Flores has done this enough times now that perhaps it would behoove some contending team to actually offer the Mets a decent prospect or two for Walkoff Wilmer ahead of the upcoming trade deadline.
Flores came up as a pinch-hitter in the 10th inning on Monday and promptly did what he does…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:29:00 PM)
LOS ANGELES — A California federal judge on Monday rejected the Trump administration’s efforts to detain immigrant families in long-term facilities, calling it a “cynical attempt” to undo a longstanding court settlement.
U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee said the federal government had failed to present…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:15:00 PM)
SAN DIEGO — More than 50 immigrant children under age 5 will be reunited with their parents by Tuesday’s court-ordered deadline for action by Trump administration, a government attorney said Monday. The families will be released after they are reunited.
That’s only about half of the 100 or so infants…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:10:00 PM)
A creep tried to rape a jogger in a Bronx park Monday morning, after she saw him masturbating in the bushes, police sources said.
The 35-year-old woman was running through a wooded area of Bronx River Forest near Burke Ave. when she spotted the perv just before 8 a.m., sources said.
The woman ignored…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:05:00 PM)
Aaron Nola sure knows how to ruin the Mets’ day.
With the Mets fresh off a walk-off victory in the first game of a doubleheader, the Phillies ace silenced them with seven shutout innings and spoiled Corey Oswalt’s no-hit bid in the fifth with a three-run double — the Phillies’ only hit off Oswalt…
(Monday, July 09, 2018 8:00:00 PM)
BALTIMORE – As the Manny Machado rumors came back to life, so too did the Yankees’ bats.
Didi Gregorius got his team started with a first-inning RBI double, and went 2-for-4 as the Yankees split Monday’s doubleheader at Camden Yards with a 10-2 victory over the Orioles in Game 2.
Against a struggling…
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It wasn’t a basketball move. LeBron’s wife and kids wanted to live in LA, and he wants to do more Hollywood stuff. If the Lakers actually are great, that’s just gravy.
If so, we can add it to the case for why Lebron is not the GOAT and never will be.
I really don’t understand what Houston is doing, unless $ is really the issue there. Seems likely to me that Ariza would’ve come back even if the Rockets offered the same exact deal. I semi-get the LRMaM thing since the best Houston could offer is the non-bird exception (or pay big luxury tax on a taxpayer MLE). Now it sounds like they are shorting Capela also, which is just nuts. Nate Duncan said on his podcast that he heard that their initial offer to Capela was in the same range as what Nurkic got (4 years/48MM) which is really just insulting and would make me really angry if I were Capela. Restricted free agency really sucks for these guys who just get caught in the wrong FA year like this one where there is so little money out there. Easy for me to say he should just sign his QO and go for UFA next year — this is a guy who has “only” made ~$4MM in his entire career, so even signing for $60MM total would be life- and future generation-changing, but in any other year he’d easily come out with at least 4/96 or something like that.
In terms of the Knicks – I remain really optimistic about Scott Perry. No dumb signings yet — in fact all the contracts he has signed are completely reasonable. I definitely wish that we had gotten a team option or a second non- or partially-guaranteed year on Hezonja, but that’s really just splitting hairs — it’s not clear to me whether that was ever anything Hezonja would have accepted. His two trades have not been great, but not definitely crippling either. I have a feeling those two Charlotte picks might be pretty good. And at least so far, his two draft picks seem like they might be pretty good too.
What I don’t understand about the Rockets is the fact that they decided to splurge a lot of cash on old Chris Paul while losing guys all around the place. Morey is having multiple brainfarts, it seems like.
I will say this again. Houston has a new owner. Houston has a new owner. Houston has a new owner. . . . .
It reminds me of the movie line “Houston, we have a problem. . .”
Tilman Fertita had a net worth valued at $3.1 billion when he bought the Rockets for $2.2 billion. I don’t think it’s too hard to figure out why they didn’t match on Ariza or dip into the mMLE to retain LMAM.
At least they’re going to get Melo…………..
If this new owner is giving orders to Morey, he’s doing it by throwing randomly dice.
I mean, ok, but you pay old Chris Paul a contract that’s going to be untradable in two years? You’re essentially forcing yourself to trade Harden in 2021 for a rebuild.
They traded for Paul last summer before Fertitta bought the team in September. It’s likely that was done with a verbal agreement he’d get maxed this summer. Fertitta probably bought the team understanding that was a pre-existing agreement he’d have to honor. Keeping the rest of the core? Not so much.
I think there are luxury tax issues impacting Houston’s decision making. Morey values “star players”. He’s still got his “big 3”. Now he has to look for bargain role layers to try to replace Ariza and Mbah a Moute.
So Brian Cashman endorsed Trump’s Supreme Court pick.
Whether you like the pick or not, the GM of the Yankees should really just STFU when it comes to politics.
Carmelo Anthony and LeBron can have opinions about politics and Cashman cannot????
I guess I’ll just skip Knickerblogger today. 😛 Going to be a political nightmare here now.
So tough to find a 4/5 tandem in modern NBA in general but especially given KP. Somehow the prospect of KP at the 5 and Hezonja at the 4 doesn’t cut it. Is the KP/Mitch tandem our Dirk/Tyson pairing? Nicest thing about Mitch is he only has to do a a few things well to complement KP. IMO those are: excellent rebounding, decent rim protection, dive on PnR and off cuts, switch and defend in space, hit free throws. Those look attainable while other things like post-ups and hitting 3’s would be niceties.
One thing to keep an eye on is his free throw shooting. He shot 45% in his junior year and 59% in his senior year. His 4 attempts in first Summer League looked ugly. One would think he worked on free throw shooting this past year. Not Deandre level worry but hope is he would be 70%+.
One last item: I think Noah would be an excellent mentor for him. He could really help in getting him to talk on defense and how to defend in space. Makes sense to waive Enes (or limit his minutes) and play Noah/Luke/Mitch at the 5. At first I figured Mitch should spend a lot of time in G League but now I think it’s best that he play against NBA caliber centers. Frank though could benefit from some G-League work to hone his burgeoning offensive skills outside of the limelight (while Mudiay helps tank).
Bottom Line: Mitch might be that lucky break we need.
I think it’s important to take step back and realize that under his stewardship for the first time in a long time the Knicks seem to actually be okay with being bad right now as an investment in the future. We’ve all been begging for it for almost 20 years now and the Knicks have constantly fought against it and tried to present themselves as at least a “contender” every season. Even Phil with his 17 win team was talking playoffs. Now it’s pretty clear that, as KOQ said, we’re taking a season to play for our draft position.
As hard as it is to believe, at the current moment our very own New York Knicks currently have the right macro strategy given their current circumstances. That’s a rare thing (and very well may not last) so we should enjoy that while we have it. Quibbling about whether every move is perfect within that context is a blessing honestly. We’ll probably be off the rails again soon enough.
I think Mitch and KP are a very interesting combination. Mitch may be able to give us offensive rebounding and efficient scoring around the basket like Kanter, but because of his length and athletic ability he can also give us rim protection. It remains to be seen how good he is defensively in other ways. He probably has a lot to learn and will have to get stronger, but I can picture them working very well together inside and outside on offense and both swatting balls into the stands protecting the paint.
Kudos to the front office on the 4-year Robinson contract. Given Mitch marches to a different beat, he could have taken a 1 year deal. Last year, Dotson played well in Summer League and negotiations took forever and ended in a 3-year deal. Robinson situation could have gone a lot worse but ended in arguably the best result. Mitch must like Fizdale.
Speaking of Fiz and FO, one dynamic appears to be that Fizdale plays a huge role in player selection compared to other coaches/FOs. Knox was his choice. That’s probably a positive given Mudiay trade and THJ/Baker contracts. Time will tell.
LeBron goes to Miami = this is why he’s not the best
LeBron goes to Los Angeles = this is why he’s not the best
I think GOAT arguments are generally dumb but I will say that I think one of Lebron’s big legacies will be that he reshaped the perception in the league of where the power lies. Since the decision he has grabbed more power within the league as a player than anyone previously thought possible, so much so that the default assumption is now not only that he can choose to play for whatever team he wants every year, but that he can also take control of all the personnel moves for that team as well. I’m not sure people have appreciated how dramatic that is. If you view his career in that prism the Lakers move makes perfect sense. It’s not only the biggest stage in the league but it also offers him the logical next step into things beyond basketball.
Interesting theory to waive enes but why?
There could be a team interested at the deadline
Frees roster spot and nobody’s taking Enes unless we are willing to take salary that extends beyond next summer. Front office has made clear it won’t do that.
I don’t think Enes vs Noah would affect the tank one way or the other. Keeping Noah would help as a mentor to Mitch and delay having to waive him until next summer at which time we might just want to let it expire the following year depending on cap and free agents who want to join NYK in summer 2019.
Lebron doesn’t do I want him to do therefore he’s not the best basketball player.
Like going to the Lakers because they’re not going to compete for a title this year (probably) means you’re not as good as the guy who quit twice-what you should have done was join a super team like that coward Kevin Durant, or like Lebron did that time he joined the Heat.
True, he should’ve quit basketball in the middle of his prime to play a different sport poorly.
There’s one more interesting Noah possibility. Take a look at THIS TRADE. Who knows maybe we could get Jevon Carter in that deal. Memphis gets SG it needs; Conley/Courtney/Anderson/JJJ/Gasol would be a nice lineup. Noah could mentor JJJ. We waive McLemore and end up saving a roster spot. We rid ourselves of Courtney’s contract. We help the tank. However, we would add about 2m/yr to dead cap when we waive/stretch Parsons.
Maybe in the 1950s you had to be in LA to do “Hollywood stuff”, but today, don’t need to live anywhere near Los Angeles to do it, especially if you’re LeBron James.
A player should choose the city he plays in based on where he wants to practice about 30 times out of the year cause that’s really the only thing that ties him to the city at all.
Don’t get me wrong. I love that today’s NBA superstar does what they want. But they can’t have it both ways. You want to take shortcuts to titles or prioritize other things than winning then don’t turn around and expect to be hailed as all time greats on the level of the Jordans, Jabbars and Russells. It’s one or the other.
Nice. Take a shot at a man who lost his father and wanted to get away from the sport.
I don’t know. Maybe “Hollywood stuff” involves going to lots of parties in that area, hanging around with movie stars, close to home, etc.
David Stern made Jordan retire because his gambling problem got out of hand.
There is no shortcut to a title. Again, the Warriors LOST the Finals in 2016 despite one of the greatest seasons ever. The Warriors also nearly lost this season, and got saved by Chris Paul’s inevitable injury. I don’t see the Rockets missing 27 shots in a row with a top-3 all-time point guard in the game for even 10 minutes.
LeBron teamed up with nearly-prime Wade and a bunch of very good role players in Miami and still got whomped in the Finals. Then, after three years of “gelling,” the Spurs beat their asses, too. In 2012, the Thunder had three future MVPs on their roster and couldn’t beat the choker Heatles in 4 of 5 games. The ’04 Lakers got Karl Malone and Gary Payton and, again, haha, what happened? Beat by a team with “no superstars.”
If there’s one thing we can say for sure about Jordan, Jabbar and Russell it’s that they would never have deigned to play with a superteam. They all famously had very bad teammates throughout their careers just as they desired.
Declining to ‘take shortcuts’ necessarily entails prioritizing other things (specifically dumb people’s precious feelings) over winning.
@ 33 – but come on jowles…you don’t think Durant took just a tiny shortcut by joining a 73 win team? The only reason the warriors lost to cleveland was bc of Draymond’s love of nut kicking.
Chris Bosh’s WS/48 in Lebron’s four season championship run on the Heat were .177, .165, .175, .152. He was that team’s third option.
Interestingly, Lebron bailed just in time as Wade’s best days were behind him to go to a Cleveland team that tanked enough to get fresh new support.
And his BPM was 0.4, 0.0, 1.2 and 0.5. He was a role player on an excellent team, but he scored a lot of pointzz so he gets all the Hall of Fame buzz, which is ridiculous.
Feelings? It’s not even about that. The whole point of a basketball rivalry between teams is the continuing back and forth between rivals pushing the other side to get better. It’s what made the 1980s Pistons-Bull rivalry so great for example. I just can’t imagine a prime GOAT caliber player like Jordan saying in 1988, “Fuck it, I can’t beat the Pistons with what I have. Let me go to the Lakers so we can beat them.”
Makes no sense. You’re trying to convince yourself Noah as a mentor has value; He is not valued but us let one another team.
He will be stretched in September.
It’s a contest who will blink first and what the buyout number will be.
So the guy who pretty much singlehandedly dragged a crappy team to the finals (and not the first time he’s done that) lacks competitive spirit?
Why are my posts awaiting moderation?
It happens from time to time. Not targeted.
I would love to see the Knicks find a way to add Alan Williams. This Lee trade and possible waiving of Lance. Is Lance’s contract even guaranteed? I think that’s a move they should jump on
Houston getting a little of the Dolan Treatment of meddling.
If that’s truly what’s happening, I for one am enjoying some other team making idiotic basketball decisions because the owner says so.
This is why BPM is problematic. It only takes basic statistics into consideration in determining defensive value and undervalued Bosh’s crucial importance as a versatile lynchpin in the Heat defense. He didn’t block many shots, but contested plenty. He was the stalwart that made their elite pick and roll defense work. He was criminally underrated on that Heat team.
Do we really only play 3 summer league games?
Very light on analysis, and the analysis is often shitty when its attempted, but I’m glad popular opinion is finally coming around to something that this board’s savvy posters knew 7 years ago.
I believe there’s a tournament after the scheduled games?
This appears to be the bracket from last year’s tournament.
There’s also a surprisingly extensive and detailed wikipedia page.
Yeah I think the team wants nothing to do with Noah. Horns might have sucked as a coach and maybe he was screwing with Noah’s head by not playing him, but attacking a coach pretty much makes you persona non grata…maybe he can go to Minny and redeem himself off the bench under Thibs but I think his days here are numbered. He got a ridiculous contract from Phil Jackson, who was fired by the Knicks. He missed half of his first season with injuries. He missed the beginning of last year because of testing positive for PEDs. He then attacked a coach in practice. He’s done here.
Fiz has yet to come out and say something about Noah.which tells you all you need to know about September first.
I would love to see Noah add something to the Frintcourt 12 mins a game backing up Mitch but that eats into Mitch’s playing time. So maybe A buyout is the best thing for everyone.
It used to involve allowing Weinsten to sexually assault you, but now that he and several other like-minded sleazeballs are out of action the parties should be different. I just wouldn’t allow his under age kids to go to any without a chaperone.
Yes. Feelings. You are making a bullshit, feelings-based argument. I dunno what else you’d call it because it’s certainly not logical. Put winning over everything but not to the point of taking a (arbitrarily defined, presumably by you) shortcut. Where’s the bright line? Bringing Jordan into it makes it even worse. The guy cheated his grandmother to win at cards but he would NEVER play basketball with other guys who are good at basketball to win at basketball. This is what we’re going with, really?
Chris Bosh is a decent example of one of the problems with boxscore stats. IMO, Bosh had the skill set to be a solid #2 player on a very good team, but he was the #3 option on a great one instead. As a result, he had the ball less often than the rate at which he could still be effective. His role was also slowly changed to become more of a stretch PF/C and shoot more 3s to provide space for James and Wade to operate (similar to the role change for Kevin Love). He was then in a position to rebound less because he was on the perimeter more. His defense is also underrated. IMO, Bosh was a very good player.
Bosh’s perimeter defense on those Heat teams were crucial to their championship.
I don’t know, now that I think about it I kind of like the image of LeBron James going to commercial auditions between practices and/or begging producers to take pitch meetings with him to hear his script ideas. (It’s the only explanation for why he’d have to be in LA:)
Is it really hard for people to understand that he just wants to live there and so does his wife. I can prove it.
This post is a decent example of one of the problems of using bog-standard, conjecture-laden generalizations about 32,000 minutes of play to justify your deep-seated skepticism of statistical models.
Remember, kids: Becoming a third option helps efficiency except when it doesn’t.
Carmelo goes from #1 option to #3 option: his efficiency should improve. (It didn’t.)
Bosh goes from #1 option to #3 option: his efficiency should diminish. (It didn’t).
@59 I don’t think Strato was taking about efficiency so much as his role as a floor spacer which hurt his rebounding numbers. His BPM and VORP both sharply decreased when he joined the Heat.
I’m not sure I want to give them much credit for this.
For one thing, what could they actually have done this offseason to become a contender once Porzingis went down? Their hands were tied this offseason.
For another thing, they chose the worst time to implement such a strategy: right before the flattening of the lottery odds. Now, even if you are the worst team in the NBA, there is a 14% chance you pick first, and a 47.9% chance you pick 5th.
Ultimately, Mills and Perry made their bed last summer, they didn’t make it well, and now they have no choice but to lie in it. They should have been taking this approach from day 1, when tanking had high probability of rewarding their strategy. Everything they’ve done since the massive Hardaway blunder has been too minimal to make significant conclusions about them. But minimal stuff is all they could do based on the roster inflexibility.
The summer of 2019 is when they’ll be judged. Being focused on the long term doesn’t mean accepting being bad for one year and then making long term commitments to questionable free agents at the very first opportunity. I won’t judge them before it happens, but that sure seems like it’s the route they want to go.
Another thing about LA is that this is really a Lakers town. When they’re good, they dominate sports culture. They’re all over the sports talk shows, they’re all over the TV, they’re pretty much the central soap opera in town. Before the LeBron Lakers have even played a game, they’re already dominating sports coverage here. It’s really a thing. The Dodgers have a fiercely loyal fan base and that’s why they lead MLB in attendance every year but they do not dominate the culture the way the Lakers do.
LeBron is the king of LA already. For a guy who is obsessed with building his “brand,” you could see why he would want to join up with another prestigious brand.
Stats don’t underrate Bosh. LeBron derangement makes people overrate Bosh. The simple fact of the matter is that the numbers never backed up the Miami superteam narrative. They preened and they pranced and they rode in on a forklift but this notion that Wade and Bosh were LeBron’s shortcut to titles is just ridiculous. Look at the supporting cast Dirk had in 2011 (Chandler .286 WP48/Kidd .217 vs. Wade .229/Bosh .113) or Duncan in 2014 (Kawhi .292/Manu .199 vs. Wade .181/Bosh .096). There’s an argument to be made that choosing to play with his friends actually put him at a competitive disadvantage and much of their team success was simply due to the best player ever doing best player ever things.
@62 It proves that a change of role negatively affected his advanced stats which paint him as less effective than he really was.
Correlation doesn’t imply causation, except when it does?
Jowles, everyone else:
I love the stats as much as anyone else, but do you not believe there are ANY holes in them? Like, are there examples you can think of where win shares, true shooting, BPM, etc, changed due to a change in circumstance, or is it now rote to you (as in, a player goes from shitty coaching to great coaching, and becomes efficient, or a player moves position (say, PF to C), and now his win shares are better, or a big gets paired with an awesome PG who now makes him better overall…).
This would be a great article for this website.
I am honestly asking, not trolling.
@66 Did Bosh suddenly decline the second he put on a Miami Heat uniform in the prime of his career?
This France- Belgium game is going to be special
Or a change of role negatively affected his production, as reflected in the advanced stats. You have it backward. Maybe he was more talented than his 0.0 BPM suggested, but we don’t evaluate counterfactuals. What we know is that Bosh was not a star in Miami. Why was that? Irrelevant.
Let’s say Giannis is forced to play SF/PF by his head coach because he’s tall and athletic, so he’s less productive than if he plays PG and has the ball in his hands. Do we still call him a superstar if he puts up a 2.0 BPM? Nah.
@70 That’s fair. I don’t think any all in one stats properly capture his defensive impact on those Miami teams tho.
Makes sense. The stats don’t do a very good job of capturing LeBron’s un-Jordan-ness either.
My attitude has been that system can (of course) change production, but if you’re, say, asking your PF to stop doing the 2nd-most important thing in basketball (gather rebounds), he needs to make up for it by doing the most important thing in basketball (scoring efficiently).
If a system demanded that Tyson Chandler started taking 17-foot jumpers to “keep defenses honest,” it would probably be reflected as a negative in Chandler’s stats. That would be a joint function of (1) a stupid mandate and (2) Chandler’s inability to shoot jumpers.
The problem I have is when a player has a 0.0 BPM, a 0.050 WS48, a 1.0 VORP (etc.) and people call them a superstar. You can try to explain the bad production by talking about role, system, synergy or any of ruruland’s favorite sophist buzzwords, but you can’t say “he was very good at basketball.” Talent only wins basketball games if it leads to production above one’s peers.
I would like to ask the Bosh fanboys why his usage dropped in Miami but he never made a real stride in efficiency. If he’s a championship-caliber stretch 4, and LeBron and Wade create spacing issues that free up their teammates for open looks, why did he go from a 40-win Raptors team to a 57-win Heat team and see a drop, year over year, in his shooting efficiency?
@73, Spot on. Nailed it.
LeBron has never really been part of a solid, well-rounded team. Even the Heat teams that won rings were the “big 3” plus whatever ring-chasing vets they could get to come play for peanuts. There were a lot of crummy players that racked up big minutes on those teams. Same deal in Cleveland, they never really put a well-balanced supporting cast with quality role players around him.
Jordan had way better teammates, and that’s why he’s perceived as GOAT.
I believe Cashman went to high school with the new Supreme Court nominee so that’s where the support comes from. Anyway I may not agree with his politics but I damn sure am happy he is the GM of my favorite team.
It’s even crazier when you look at the actual superteams LeBron has beaten. Just in the finals it’s been OKC’s three MVPs, the Spurs’ big three plus Kawhi, and the Warriors (without Durant, but still).
Those Heat teams had some pretty good players besides the Big 3. Battier, Birdman, Miller and Ray Allen were all very valuable and even Mario Chalmers was an above average player during those years. Those were some pretty damn good teams.
Actually TBF the first iteration of the Jordan Bulls, the Horace Grant-BJ Armstrong iteration, was not exactly stacked with great role players. Grant was one of the more underrated players of his generation, but those teams gave lots of minutes to pedestrian bigs like Scott Williams, old Cartwright, Stacey King, Will Perdue et al.
The second iteration team, with Rodman, Kerr, Harper and Kukoc, was a really loaded and unbeatable team. Give LeBron those teammates and he would whup some serious ass.
So we have a guy that is one of the best in the league at the most important thing in basketball AND at the 2nd most important thing in basketball, signed to a 1 year deal at a price far below the max. And yet we can’t give him away.
Man, are 30 GMs dumb or what?
Or Jowles is still peddling the same snake oil he always has…
I suspect you are looking for simple solutions to complex problems. Perhaps you don’t like the idea that you may also actually have to watch games, analyze roles, look at the system being used, and look at more than just a simple boxscore model to understand what’s going on.
The game is more complex than simple values assigned to boxscore stats. That why’s despite all the brainpower and data out there there are still often strong disagreements among very informed people about how productive certain players are.
You can’t credit LeBron for carrying shitty teams when he’s always the de facto GM. If Jordan got to pick his teammates instead of Krause, there’s very little chance he would have 6 rings.
And ffs jowles, how about responding to what people write as opposed to responding to the voices in your head. Nobody called Bosh a superstar, talked about his efficiency, or acted in any manner like a fanboy.
Of course you can credit LeBron for carrying the shitty teams he’s put together. Nobody holds Jordan’s lousy performance as an executive against Jordan the player.
I don’t hold the Cavs incompetence against Lebron the same way I don’t hold the CAA era against Melo.
Obviously they played a role in the teammates they got but their teams FO should never let players or their agents dictate the teams moves. Most players would be terrible with that kind of influence.
Do you believe that players that create space with their outside shooting help slashers, cutters, and big men score inside more effectively?
Do you believe that big men playing on the perimeter (on either side) reduces their rebounding opportunities?
If you believe either or both of those things, then imo boxscore metrics have a problem.
If having big guys with shooting ability like Bosh, KP, Dirk etc.. on the perimeter helps the TEAM on a net basis by creating greater space (which the entire league believes to be the case and is encouraging), but lowers their own rebounding and boxscore metrics, they are being punished (lower rebounding big man) for a positive (creating space for others).
What you are arguing is that the whole league is wrong for doing it.
I am arguing that there isn’t a good boxscore number to measure the value of the space they are creating to offset the lower rebounding.
I’ve argued for the creation of a metric that measures these values well, but I still haven’t come across one I like. It should probably be some combination of outside shooting versatility, outside shooting efficiency, and outside shooting volume.
What you have to do is look at guys like Bosh, Dirk, KP etc.. and simply understand that part of the reason their metrics don’t look as good as their reputations is that the metrics are not measuring some of what they add very well.
The same is actually true of traditional SGs.
They don’t have the ball enough to pile up assists and they are typically small outside shooters that don’t get many rebounds. So a lot of the models hate them.
Am I supposed to believe that everyone was crazy for playing sharp shooters?
They weren’t. The value of the space they helped create was not being measured. They were a little better than the models said.
You’re acting like a real no-brainer, as always. You might want to scroll through the archives before you go casting stones. You’ve got one of the worst track records on here. Downright embarrassing, if you ask me.
Go ahead and point to a one-year deal in the summer of 2018 as evidence of anything except that the NBPA fucked a good portion of its members when it voted in favor of the immediate cap jump in 2016. The rest of us have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Again — per usual.
@86 I’m tired of arguing with stats truthers. You’ve said dozens of times that you invest more in your own personal perception than anything you can read in a book or in a statistical model. I would be mentally disabled to even try to engage a person like that in an argument. The Alan Dershowitz endorsement — who, last night, argued that if Trump conspired with Russia, he shouldn’t be impeached — is the cherry on top.
Oh here we go with the Russians again. I’ll have to search the archives to find all of the posts by independent thinking jowles lambasting Hillary for the tens of millions of dollars given to her husband and her “foundation ” by the Russians.
I’ll be right back with all of these links.
^^^ this guy Fox Newses
Nice comeback! FOXNEWS111!!! Lol! Pure genius!
For someone who thinks he’s the smartest person in the room, you’re very small minded = if you don’t agree with me you must be a Republican who watches Fox News all day. Yup, there are only 2 options: Republican or Democrat.
Sorry — Breitbart.
“Bosh fanboy” is an oxymoron.
What a bubble you live in.
Strat this may be the first time we’ve ever worn the same jersey on here. The following may or may be true:
Playing PF on the BronWades next to a Center may have been a productivity-flattening role for most players. So while Bosh might normally have produced 5 more wins than, say, Jermaine O’Neal for a typical team, maybe he only gets you 2 more wins for the BronWades.
Even if that is true, it does not mean Bosh was less valuable on Miami than he was on Toronto. While we always assume a win-is-a-win when it comes to all-in-one stats because we have to, of course we don’t really mean it. All we really care about always and everywhere is marginal production. If those extra two wins from that position for a great team like Miami were unusually scarce, then they were much more valuable per win than what he would have provided to an average team.
This isn’t some hypothetical conversation between guys who “get” stats and guys who don’t. The vast majority of big-picture (the actual vast majority are small-picture) analytical hours in NBA front offices go into contextual, marginal questions like this (yes, and then are often ignored). Kevin Durant may have made Steph Curry 30% less productive but whether he is less valuable is not the same question. We care about marginal productivity and that makes these questions hard.
The irony is pretty rich, my dude. We’re talking about the President conspiring with a hostile government and his PR team trying to normalize conspiracy so his base won’t support impeachment.
It’s like someone being accused of theft, and his lawyer saying to the cops, “Yeah, but I think that guy sitting over there committed murder! Drop the charges!”
Can’t we lock up Hillary, Impeach Trump, and force James L Dolan to sell the Knicks all before training camp? #drainthegarden #maketheknicksgreatagain #Robinsanity
I don’t know, I guess this evidence that Trump colluded with “the Russians” to fix an election will come out any day now. It looks to me that Mueller has given up on the Russian thing and is now going after Trump over his finances. If that works and Trump gets impeached then you have Pres Pence so congrats.
The only election that was proven to be fixed was Hillary’s win over the poor old crazy commie. Hillary even hired the head of the DNC after she was canned for Christ’s sake.
Wow, hell of an indictment of the Mueller investigation. I guess since it didn’t wrap up in 2 months, nothing has been found. No collusion!!!!
With Melo waiving his no trade clause, it really does make it possible we trade for him and cut him. I don’t know whether I’d laugh or cry.
It’d be hilarious and I’d do it just for the troll value of it all if the terms were right.
What would trading for and then waiving Melo even look like? We’d have to be sending something to OKC that they’d rather have than one year of Melo. It would also have to work cap-wise. We don’t have a lot of things that would seem to fit the bill.
Hardaway plus Courtney Lee for Melo works in the trade machine. That would be great for us but wouldn’t seem to solve OKC’s luxury tax problems, so I dunno.
Nah. Probably not happening.
What if we trade for melo and keep him for his veteran leadership?
@87 – Since, as usual, you are too narrow minded to even try to understand what people who disagree with you are trying to say, I’ll explain what I think he was trying to say. You pointed out that scoring efficiently is the most important thing in basketball and rebounding is the second most important thing that a big man can do. He pointed out that the Knicks have a guy who is great at both things and he’s making $18 million this year — Kanter. If you point is correct, Kanter should be a valuable trade commodity, yet he does not seem to be one — his point being that you can’t look at individual stats in a vacuum.
We can trade them….Enes Kanter and Mudiay/Baker for Melo. Lol.
Saves them 4 or 5m in salary plus whatever repeater penally amount.
18 months not 2.
I don’t like the idea of the State running an open ended investigation in perpetuity regardless of what I think of the target. I mean, is this going to last 8 years?
@104 thanks johnno. Also, why not just extend him at the max, since he is so great at the two most important things in basketball? We obviously have a young superstar in our midst, lock him up!!
It seems like OKC’s ownership is willing to spend pretty damn heavily at least in the short term. I hope we at least inquire about the THJ+Lee idea.
If they’re willing to pay that astronomical luxury tax it would actually make a ton of sense for both teams. THJ’s contract obviously sucks, but OKC is fully committed to this team anyway and he’s a useful player to an extent (i.e. he’s not Carmelo Anthony).
Westbrook, TH2, Roberson, George, and Adams would actually make a bunch of sense as a starting five.
The only thing is Steve Mills will N-E-V-E-R trade TH2 in a salary dump even if it guarantees we win 15 games and have 2 max salary slots next summer. The only downside, in my eyes, to trading TH2, is that he actually becomes a mildly efficient 20 point scorer who contributes on the glass and in ball movement. If that happens, you should be able to flip him at the deadline for Jimmy Butler or in he summer for Anthony Davis (along with Knox and 20% ownership in MSG in the case of an AD trade).
I would not try to move Hardaway yet. I know people hate the contract but there is a very real chance he will have a better season than last year and his contract actually isn’t THAT bad. Plus it could look a whole hell of a lot better after next summer.
The contract sucks and the player is 26 and thus very unlikely to be much better than he’s been so far. I see no reason his contract will look any better after next summer—the cap spike is pretty modest compared to 2016.
No matter what you think about THJ, there is no denying $17m AAV can be much better spent. Therefore any lifeboat from that contract should happily taken. It’s simply a mediocre-to-bad use of resources.
This is pretty 100 percent on the money. We’re not even mentioning the widespread of evidence of collusion with Donna Brazile even admitting to as much, proof of voting irregularities in Arizona, and NYC Board of Electors admitting more than 200 thousand votes were purged in Brooklyn during the NY primary. Hell, the discrepancies between exit polling and reported vote tallies were so great the DNC stopped releasing them.
In terms of the Russian collusion case, the entire issue has been about throwing whatever to see if it can stick on Trump. Originally the charge was about the Russians hacking into the DNC server to give the Podesta files to Assange for public dissemination via Wikileaks. Now it has shifted to meetings with foreign intermediaries who may have bribed representatives of the Trump campaign. Reminds me of how Independent Council was supposed to pursue an investigation into Bill Clinton’s Whitewater dealings and ended up trying to impeach him for lying under oath…
@ 112 – Hardaway was hurt for a lot of last year which is why I think he can have a better season than he did last year.
Harry Giles looks really good.
Nobody knows what Mueller’s investigation has uncovered. People are speculating and reading tea leaves. It may very well be that some of the most explosive allegations have not come to light. Special prosecutor investigations take a long time. The average length of special counsel investigations, dating back to Watergate, is 904 days. We ain’t there yet.
When we’re at 904+1 days, then people can start bitching about how long it’s taking.
Harry Giles does look really good. I’d kinda forgotten he existed.
I never said that.
I look at the statistics, but I recognize that they are not measuring everything of value or assigning the correct values for what they are measuring much of the time. For me they are a starting point for the analysis. Then I try to find the strengths and weaknesses in each model and adjust my thinking based what I know they do well and don’t do well. Then I watch games and make further adjustments.
If you were into horse racing you would understand what I am saying and know it was appropriate given the state of advanced stats in basketball.
In horse racing, gamblers try to measure the times of races accurately. Just like in basketball, there are quite a few advanced models that incorporate different methodologies . They measure the impact of the surface, wind, track layout, ground loss, weight, and other factors so one can produce more accurate figures. The problem is when you compare the results for different figure makers they often disagree on how fast a horse actually ran because they use different models.
So who is right?
On top of that handicappers know that how the race develops impacts the final time. So just because horse A ran faster than horse B that does not mean he is better. You have to understand the conditions.
So what most advanced players do is look at the results of a model, make adjustments for the methodology, and then watch the races to make further subjective adjustments to the numbers for the conditions of the race.
It’s the same exact process. The complexity of both games demands it at this stage.
I can tell from the wording of this sentence that you think that it’s a witchhunt, so let’s not bother to even discuss it. Your mind is already made up about the legitimacy of the investigation.
Me too. He kind of looks like a different player. Athleticism all there. Will be interesting to see how his year turns out.
I also didn’t realize how tall and long Giles is. I hope he can finally stay healthy.
There are multiple questions to ask.
1. How many wins did player X contribute based on what he did?
2. Are we measuring that correctly?
3. Would/could he contribute more/less under different conditions with different teammates?
4. Are we measuring that correctly?
Jowles is focusing on #1. That’s fine.
I am saying that #1 is often marginally wrong because all the models are somewhat incomplete and flawed.
I am also saying that #3 is significant because we want to know how good the player actually is and whether he can be more or less effective elsewhere. That estimate is still somewhat subjective because until you see it in action and make adjustments, it’s hard to know.
@119 — honest answer — are you willing to await the outcome of the investigation or have you already concluded that there WAS collusion?
No one, not even Mueller’s own people, are even taking the DNC hacking allegations seriously anymore. We know this for several reasons, but the most important being that they rebuffed the FBI’s request to examine the actual servers which their own privately contracted cybersecurity team, Crowdstrike, claimed was infiltrated by the “Cozy Bear” hacker group with supposed ties to Putin. Even the mainstream media, which has followed the Mueller investigation with a hard on, has left this ridiculous conspiracy theory in the dust, especially after cyberintelligence analysts have studied and debunked the evidence.
Harry Giles looks like the same player who routinely rag dolled his competition in high school. There’s a reason he was rated higher than Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, Jayson Tatum, Josh Jackson, DeAaron Fox, Jonathan Isaac, and everybody else that went ahead of him in that 2017 Draft. I can’t wait to see him and Marvin Bagley (both #1 recruits in the nation) play together for Sacramento.
Reading some NBA stuff today, lots of people are super impressed with Knox’s 20.5/6.5 37fg%.
Looks like we got a steal Knicks fans!
Most of the Russia investigation is an effort to delegitimize Trump in order to stop him from making significant policy changes to the basic agenda of the financial and political globalists from both parties. He has enemies in both parties that want to stop him, preferably throw him out of office, and certainly not allow him to be re-elected.
He almost certainly has/had business dealings with Russians. He’s a global investor and developer. Why wouldn’t he look for investments from and with with Russians? It’s also almost certain some of his business dealings inside and outside Russia were in grey areas, if not illegal. He’s a NY and Atlantic City developer. He had to do business with the mafia for example. lol
But when you get into collusion there is a HUGE difference between trying to get damaging information on your opponent (legal), encouraging them to release it (legal) and providing significant information or making policy promises to them in return for that information.
The thing is, his enemies will never allow for nuanced or honest discussion when the goal is to castrate and remove him from office and most of the media is part of the same globalist establishment that wants him out.
It’s not that I think this is a witchhunt, we already know it is. The original claim to Russian interference in the election – that the Russians hacked into DNC servers and used Wikileaks to disseminate that information – has been thoroughly debunked. No one with a hard on to prosecute and impeach Trump cares anymore, but it seems to me that this is a huge deal for no other reason that this was the strongest case for Russian interference into the election.
Now, I am sure we’re going to find all sorts of nasty dirty backroom dealing between Trump and various Russian oligarchs. But that wasn’t the original claim of Russian tampering, and if we’re going to use these types of dealing as a standards for investigation and impeachment then you better explain to me why Trump’s even more extensive dealings with the Israelis or Hillary’s financial ties with a genocidal Moroccan monarchy through the Clinton Foundation aren’t receiving the same level scrutiny.
Seems to me Russia has been used a convenient scapegoat by various Washington actors who need to drum up a neo-McCarthyite scare for their own purposes. The DNC needed this to scapegoat Putin for their own electoral failure in 2016; the intelligence community uses it to discipline Trump into assuming a hard line on Syria and Ukraine lest he be called a Russian puppet; and the media plays along for ratings. But their hypocrisy is clear.
Okay, well that is one small part of what is an obviously huge investigation. Remember Mueller’s mandate: to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s attempt to interfere in the 2016 election. And if other shady shit is uncovered in the investigation, that is also fair game.
Is it really a “whatever, no big deal” kind of thing if Donald Trump has been laundering Russian mob money for God knows how many years? That’s really the kind of thing that’s a “witch hunt” that should just be blown off? Is that how we want law enforcement to work? I’m not saying he laundered money… but what if he did launder money? Like, shit tons of money. Let’s say hypothetically that is proven pretty conclusively. Wouldn’t that make him, you know, vulnerable? And don’t people have a right to know that?
There was an investigation in progress that preceded the DNC hacks, namely they were already investigating Carter Page and others. Calling it a witch hunt ignores the many charges that have already been brought. Your mistake, much like the President’s, is to assume it’s all about him. It’s not.
Giles + Bagley might end up a great duo, but the rest of the team is uninspiring.
Hold it there, Alex Jones. That Orange Orangutan is part of the globalist establishment. Anyone with knowledge of his extensive international business ties know that he’s no different than any other American oligarch in the real estate sector. He’s just willing to mobilize white nationalist rhetoric to highly position himself within our government for gain.
Apparently Sacramento forgot they had Giles too when they passed up Doncic for Bagley.
If I were a Kings fan I’d zone out for a few years after that. Like what I did after the MMM.
I have a big problem, as a libertarian, with these 2 or 3 year open ended special prosecutor investigations.
It’s very Kafkaesque.
IMO you should start out with an accusation of an underlying crime and either prove it not prove it. These situations where you pick a target and then look for a crime are what real facism and totalitarianism look like. Some people like it when it happens to somebody you don’t like. But trust me, you won’t like it when it happens to someone you like or to you.
If we are finally going to start ridding the country of corruption and law breaking among those in power (draining the swamp as Trump would call it) then we should probably be jailing a good portion of the intelligence community, some of the mainstream media, half of congress and the Senate, a lot of the leadership on Wall St, half the central bankers in the world, a bunch of power brokers in Hollywood, Trump and so on. The Clintons should get hung, a deadly injection, and the electric chair twice just to make sure they are dead. 🙂
But that’s not what’s happening.
Many of those that have been in power (from from both parties) see Trump as a threat. The unified goal is to destroy him so they can go back to business as usual being the disgusting human beings they are raping and pillaging the world, starting wars to protect or increase profits, taking bribes, lying, and advancing their own political agendas no matter what the people want and what the cost to the average working stiff who doesn’t even know what’s in his own best interests.
People sort of sense this all. They want it ALL cleaned up.
Well, the reason it is a small part of the investigation is because it was debunked awhile ago and conveniently forgotten by partisans for political reasons. But the problem here is that this was the strongest and original case for interference. Seems to me this was all a backdoor to create an ongoing investigation that would haunt Trump’s presidency. This has nothing to do with Russian meddling, it’s about getting Trump at all costs.
You mean a witch hunt.
So “whataboutism” is your answer, and also “yeah it’s no big deal if Trump laundered hundreds of millions of dollars, everybody totes does it!” That along with a dollop of massive conspiracy theory. The international cabal is busy raping and pillaging the Earth, and they don’t want Donald Trump, white hat wearing hero, to stop the raping and pillaging. Because he’s gonna make things great for the average working stiff, and the cabal doesn’t want that. Got it.
I think I know how to regard your intellectual honesty on this topic going forward.
Witch hunts are chasing things that don’t exist. The investigation preceded the dnc hacks. This is not complicated or hard to understand.
Anybody know why Frank’s not playing?
@ 133 – so Donald Trump is an environmentalist who wants to protect the planet? Am I reading this correctly?
He’s a global investor, but things like wanting to drop out of NATO, wanting Europe to pay for its own protection, wanting to open ties with Putin, renegotiating trade deals, calling for Brexit and other break away states, putting tariffs in place to try to force negotiations, wanting to limit immigration and cheap labor, and other efforts to put “what he perceives” to be American interests before globalist foreign policy and free trade are the direct opposite of what both parties have been doing for decades.
He’s a threat to their “good times” and global order that has been established by both parties.
No. Definitely not.
If you are talking about “raping and pillaging the world” I was talking about financial rape and pillage not environmental rape and pillage. He’s all for environmental rape and pillage. 🙁
Knox’s flaws on display so far:
– First play: coming off a screen, has open lane to the hoop and decides to take a floater instead
– Double-teamed, throws it away (Knicks were playing 4 on 5 though)
– PnR, gets Wagner on him, then drives into help and puts up and ugly layup
– Drives, bumps defender nicely, and then puts up UGLY missed layup right at the basket
– Wagner on him again, can’t get by him, misses a pull up 3
– Quick contested 2 from the corner with foot on the line
I’m slightly more optimistic on Knox overall than I was before Summer League (mainly his athleticism and handle/passing), but there a major concerns. I haven’t seen him make a single layup with a defender in front of him. And the chucking is concerning. He doesn’t make plays that make his teammates better.
“then we should probably be jailing a good portion of the intelligence community, some of the mainstream media, half of congress and the Senate, a lot of the leadership on Wall St, half the central bankers in the world, a bunch of power brokers in Hollywood, Trump and so on. ”
I think you missed the part where I said Trump should be jailed.
I simply do not approve of one set of disgusting human beings getting away with their corruption and evil by jailing their opposition so they can continue being disgusting. Both parties, the intelligence community, Hollywood, Wall St, and the media need to be fumigated.
Which was another joke considering the widespread practice of foreign officials meeting with campaign representatives. No one has ever pursued the Clinton Uranium Deal despite many shady questions. Why? Isn’t Russian collusion the target?
Now you’re showing your ass. Uranium One is an actual made up scandal, invented by the tools at Breitbart. Its genesis was in the book “Clinton Cash,” written by one of Brightfart’s editors.
Trump and his cronies have REPEATEDLY called for investigations into Uranium One. Republicans control every single lever of government. Why has there been no investigation in it? Because Republicans are just nice guys, and they don’t want to smear their pal Hillary Clinton? Jeff Sessions entertained the idea of a Special Prosecutor, yet gee, for some reason, never appointed one. Weird, huh? It’s like all of a sudden the Republicans lost their killer instinct or something.
There’s no investigation because there is nothing to it and it’s a made-up scandal that came directly from Breitbart world, meant to give rubes something to drop as a “whataboutism” into conversations.
The left is losing their minds because president Trump nominated Kavenaugh for Supreme Court Justice (who is anti abortion) and yet they are protesting in the streets because immigrants are being separated from their children while attempting to cross the border illegally…#Liberalismisamentaldisorder!
Meanwhile, Kevin Knox is 0-6 so far tonight.
Frank may have the night off.
Is there anything more evil than separating a child from their parents? Maybe killing their parents in front of them? Those 3 year olds should know better though.
Can we trade all 6 of our SGs for Josh Hart please
Troy Williams is having a pretty good summer league so far.
A McCarthy witchhunt. A globalist conspiracy. Uranium One. Okay.
Yeah, a partisan witch hunt undertaken by a Republican (Mueller) who reports to a Republican (Rosenstein) and begun by a Republican (Comey)
Yeah, that makes sense. And Trump definitely acts like a guy who has absolutely nothing to hide. Yup.
Man that was embarrassing. I thought Doris Burke and Carlisle were gonna start making out.
Show the freaking game assholes!
Is it wrong that I would make out with Doris Burke????
Knox made a lefty layup!!!
“Is it wrong that I would make out with Doris Burke????”
Nope. Not at all.
I just love seeing the same people claim who claim the Kremlin interfered in our elections because of backroom meetings turn around and ignore the greater history of “collusion” we’ve seen from other governments including Israel, Saudi Arabia, and China. Many of these are the same people who will turn around and ignore the fact that Wall Street donated 2 billion dollars of money into influencing the 2016 election but think hundred thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads was the deciding factor that gave Trump the election. Meanwhile, manmade climate change continues to worsen, life expectancy in the US has lowered for a second straight year, an opioid epidemic is killing more people than AIDS did at the height of its endemic, and poverty has skyrocketed to the point that the UN Council on Human Rights just released a special report on it.
But the supposedly “liberal” media in CNN and MSNBC doesn’t care. Their talking heads are too busy scapegoating Russia because addressing these issues, many of which created the basis for a charlatan like Trump to come into power as an anti-establishment figure.
To understand what’s actually going on, you have to understand that most of the republican leadership absolutely hates Trump. They want to destroy and remove him almost as badly as the democrats. The lower level republicans in congress go along with him when his policy generally matches their own, but they want to go back to business as usual with the democrats.
Both republicans and democrats have a problem though (especially republicans). He’s still popular enough with people that if he starts going after you, he can ruin your career. So they have to a walk a narrow line between their desire to get rid of him, going along with policies they agree with and that are popular with republicans, and fighting him where they disagree with him without committing political suicide.
Doris Burke can get it and I’m 25
I’m still upset MSG got rid of Tina Cervasio, I had a thing for her too lol.
Knox shows flashes of talent that make you think he can become a very very good player eventually, but the hype is getting a little annoying. He simply hasn’t been that good in terms of results despite the flash. Robinson has been better.
You do know that witches aren’t real, right?
My god, this is a painful thread to slog through. Stop embarrassing yourselves and go back to talking about the Knicks and the sport they play.
ntilikilla – why is that ppl that.. um.. talk like you in regards to politics… can never address the arguments? are you just advertising a viewpoint or just think ppl might not notice?
No Frank = no fun. Especially on defense.
Oh, and ah, sorry. Doris Burke not my type. Tina Cervasio, yes!
I’m pretty meh on Knox after watching him in three games. Yes he’s a good athlete, yes he’s quick, yes he can jump. But he also takes an awful lot of low-percentage, out-of-control shots, and seems allergic to passing the ball. He relies an awful lot on floaters and impossible-looking layups. Runs the floor pretty well though, will get some points in transition, and the Knicks do need that.
He’s like a young, not-as-polished Melo. That’s an okay guy to nab at #9 I guess, but… well, it kind of shows you why you don’t want to be picking at #9.
Knox still hasn’t turned 19 yet so there is a realistic hope he will improve alot.
What’s up with Dotson? He’s awful again.
Knox is talented, but very raw. Robinson too. But they give me hope.
Troy Williams has a chance to be in the rotation. Lots of energy, but also too out of control at times.
Is Kornet injured? Seems odd making a rostered player attend summer league then not play him at all.
Watching guys blow by Allonzo Trier really makes me value Frank Ntilikina.
I like Kim Jones too. I’m pretty sure she could kick my ass. She looks bigger than some of the players.
Kornet isn’t dressed to play. Neither is Frank. I guess they feel like they don’t need to see more from them?
Yeah Kornet is injured, has been nursing a bad hamstring according to Marc Berman.
Knox is cooking.
@161 you spelled jowles wrong
The knick with the knack!
Kevin Knox just won rookie of the year.
Hicks +14 in 12 minutes?!! What?
Make that +19 in 13 minutes. Knox had a wee little bit to do with that. Hicks does have 3 blocks.
New York Knox!
I appreciate this squad’s commitment to playing the Knick’s way: fall way behind and then come back.
Knox is Nasty!
Put Hicks back in!
Even with the Knox explosion, he’s still 3/11 on 2s, 6 TOs. Hard to see him being a reasonably efficient player anytime in the near future, especially once the book is out on him. He’s showing good signs, but the hype is killing me. I won’t be able to survive if it continues like this.
I don’t deny the Uranium One Scandal is bullshit based upon the narrow premise that Clinton, the State Department, Rosatom and the Clinton Foundation donors with ties to Uranium used their influence to give 20 percent of uranium deposits to Russia. There isn’t any proof of a quid pro quo deal with the Clintons. But, unlike you, I believe the same standard should be applied to the Mueller investigation of Russian meddling. Everyone forgets that the only reason the Mueller investigation even exists as it does is because of the January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored Trump over Clinton, through “cyber operations.” Mueller was then appointed Special Counsel to examine Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, which expanded the issue to exploring any links or coordination between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government, “and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” If the Uranium One scandal was handled the same way we’d already have seen an investigation into why $4 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation from UO investors in the years just before and after the 2010 Russian deal were made. But it wasn’t because its not politically expedient to investigate the special ethical challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation like it is to link Trump to the Russians by whatever means necessary.
Wow, Knox picked it up by end. But the turnovers have to go.
Man, Dotson has looked like hot garbage on both ends. He might not play much this year.
Why can’t Mitchell defensive rebound?
Frank out with groin injury per tweet quoted on posting and toasting.
They never listen to me
What arguments? That the Mueller investigation isn’t bullshit used to distract sheep from the fact that the Democratic Party in Washington doesn’t want to address the actual problems facing the American people? That this is much ado about nothing and there is less than a .000001% chance in Hell that this will impeach Trump? Or the refusal to admit many of our own intelligence agencies basically lied to its own public about the extent of Russian meddling in their nation’s presidential election for ulterior motives. These are the only arguments I see being made here. The rest is window dressing to cover up for the fact that Washington careerists on both sides of the aisle have weaponized the Special Council with a bullshit open-ended mandate to keep an outsider president in line so he maintains our belligerent foreign policy against the Russian government.
@185, too skinny and gets pushed out of way, out of shape, over aggressive shot blocking, hasn’t played long enough to understand angles.
Idk, pick one or two
I can’t imagine anyone not being encouraged by what Knox has shown in summer league. And on paper it looks like Trier had a very solid game.
So what now, some bs playoff game and it’s over until September?
The 9 boards and another 6 free throws (and probably should have had a couple more) is a good sign for Knox. Generally speaking he does look like a different guy than he was at Kentucky- enough to justify the 9th pick is still very much up in the air. Still, he should benefit from actual guard play once the season starts- at least it looks like he has a chance to be a really good player.
The Democratic Party has control over absolutely jack shit right now, including the Mueller investigation. The special counsel was appointed by Trump’s own DOJ. This is a particularly clownish rabbit hole you are going down here.
It’s not politically expedient to investigate Uranium One for the same reason it isn’t “politically expedient” to investigate whether Sandy Hook was a false flag operation staged by crisis actors. Because it’s something that only morons believe in. That’s why it’s not “politically expedient.”
And if Trier wasn’t already signed to a two-way he’d be pushing for Dotson’s roster spot. Not that Trier has been particularly good- Dotson’s just been awful.
I’m encouraged, but he’s likely to be bad for a while and has to dramatically improve his finishing to become an efficient player—which is important when you’re ostensibly a “scorer.”
“Knox shows flashes of talent that make you think he can become a very very good player eventually, but the hype is getting a little annoying. He simply hasn’t been that good in terms of results despite the flash. Robinson has been better.”
5 minutes after I said the Knox hype was getting annoying he went out and exceeded the hype. Sometimes it’s good to be wrong. 🙂
If Knox could grow to 6’11 that would be great. Who is guarding that shot at that height.
Huge disappointment for me. He looked a LOT better at the end of last year playing in the NBA.
I guess that must mean he was 5-7 (5 consecutive) from downtown and 6-6 from the line, too. 🙂 Add 9 boards and 2 assists and it’s not a bad night’s work FOR A BLOODY 18 YEAR OLD IN HIS 3RD PRO GAME! Yes… he handled the ball like a hand grenade with the pin pulled, but some of you guys have to come off you “expert” opinion that the guy is hot garbage. I never watched more than 10 minutes of him in college, but reading this blog he was clearly and awful choice, yet from the limited data here he very well might be a good pick at 9 and certainly not a bad one.
Knox has lots of tools and shows a great motor. And he’s 18. So far, very happy we drafted him. And MitchRob? What can you say? An absolute steal. And for an undrafted FA Trier looked good.
For now, great draft by Perry.
I think Trier is garbage but there is some talent there. If he can only learn to play more unselfishly.
Knox has a LOT of work to do, but he’s doing some impressive things for an 18 year old kid. He’s an alpha personality with the physical gifts to be a star. You could see flashes in the first 2 games, but that 3rd quarter was awesome. I think it’s reasonable to start thinking (or at least hoping) we got the steal of the 1st round and 2nd round. Now I’m hoping Porzingis comes back sooner. I can’t wait to see Porzingis, Knox, and Frank on the court together. Finally, we have a reason to be hopeful!
This revisionism wouldn’t be so sad if it weren’t so uninformed. Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General who appointed Mueller, already assured Trump this past April he wasn’t the target in Mueller probe – which is why Trump has relented from firing him for protecting Mueller after giving him cart blanche to investigate anything he could related to Russia. But continue to hang your hat on this issue. It only shows how you’re missing the fact that actually tying Trump to collaborating with Putin was never what this investigation was about. It was about kowtowing to public bipartisan pressure for an anti-Russia witchhunt after Trump was elected.
I agree. Now apply the same logic to the Mueller probe, which was created in the furor over bullshit reports about Russian meddling in 2016 election with cyber attacks and RT news broadcasts that have already discredited by expert analysis.
Oh, plenty a moronic conspiracy theory is politically expedient. As late as last February a poll showed a majority of Americans believe the Russians will interfere in our elections again.
From now on I don’t give a crap about college stats. I just want to know how they did in their last 3 on 3 workout. 🙂
much ado about nothing? collusion with a foreign govt… money laundering… obstruction of justice… you determined he was innocent of all those things?
yea gtfo…. i’m not one to get into political debates on this board… but i will not tolerate ppl attempting to gaslight others on this site…. these are bad faith arguments… this is not r/t_d … this is not twitter…. clinton uranium ones conspiracy theories…. clinton/bernie primary conspiracy theories and calling the special counsel’s job a witchhunt.. holy fuck … am i seriously reading this here?
it’s like a machine gun of bullshit that is usually restricted to the cesspools of the internet… and i won’t tolerate it here… not where i go for actual basketball insight and discussion….
i strongly urge everyone to stay away from political talk… or if someone can moderate this and enforce a no politics rule.. i can appreciate a different viewpoint…. i don’t appreciate or tolerate bad faith arguments or ppl who are eager to run off yesterday’s right wing talking points unprompted….. and i will get very hostile towards that type of behavior….
so guys… please cut it out….
I have a “suffer no fools” policy when it comes to stuff like this. So it’s hard for me to resist when somebody posts some shit that is as fucking dumb as the shit Ntilakilla is posting here. But yeah, probably best to refrain. Let’s stick to hoops.
I’m not saying he’s hot garage, I’m saying he has a glaring weakness that needs to improve and will be critical to his development. Even if stays a bad finisher for his whole career (which is a decent possibility), getting to the rim and drawing fouls (which he’s shown in Summer League) can compensate. But generally, if you’re a scorer and can’t finish, that puts a lot of pressure on the other aspects of your game, especially if you’re not a good decision-maker, passer, or defender (yet). He certainly has the tools to improve, and the development he’s already shown is encouraging. I’m encouraged. Still, I prefer drafting players who are, you know, actually good at basketball right now and contribute to winning basketball.
I’m also saying he’s the exact type of player that gets overrated by the mainstream, like a Wiggins or LaVine, and it will probably be annoying.
It’s going to be so much fun for Frank Isola when Trey Burke (9th overall 2013), Tim Hardaway Jr (24th overall 2013), Mario Hezonja (5th overall 2015), Kevin Knox (9th overall 2018, and Enes Kanter (3rd overall 2011) are competing for the worst record in the NBA.
For now, Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson look really good. It’s going to be hard for NOLA to resist a package built around those two when we come calling about Anthony Davis.
Knox is not my favorite type of player– I’m not a big fan of the volume scoring ball hog type guy. But he did look pretty good in this game, and maybe he can be a bit more than that. Like maybe he could actually be an efficient volume scoring guy. That would be nice.
Gaslight? Are you not paying attention? I will restate my position again because you clearly didn’t read it well. Here is what I said:
What especially bothers me is the partisan nature of this witch-hunting bullshit. The same partisan hacks in the media and general public who suddenly care about Russian meddling say nothing about the deep ties to the Saudis have with both major political parties. The same Saudis who fund ISIS, had major linkages to the 9/11 attacks to the point that they successfully lobbied Congress to redact major parts of the 9/11 Commission report, and are involved in committing a genocidal slaughter of Yemeni civilians.
Of course this whole problem could be eliminated tomorrow if we outlawed our system of legalized bribery and publicly funded our campaigns with free air time for every candidate. But, alas, no one wants to do that because it would actually solve the problems which gave us Trump.
It’s clear that there are perverse incentives for the media to sensationalize any and all suspicion of impropriety by the Trump campaign, one just has to watch Rachel Maddow, go on Twitter and be called a Russian bot by some centrist apparatchik, or read The Daily Beast to find that out. But I think there’s a middle ground to be had where there’s certainly some smoke w/r/t the election campaign and Russian interference but the evidence implicating Trump himself is sparse at best. But that’s what the special counsel was organized for–to ascertain just what if any unsavory activities occurred in the Trump campaign during the run-up to the 2016 election and who is responsible for those activities. There’s certainly more evidence for Russia’s election meddling (regardless of how effective it was–and I think Hillary/The Dems lost the election by their own incompetence with or without Russian interference) and some of the Trump campaign’s involvement than there is for the various shady dealings of Clinton family affiliates, and, since Trump is president, his campaign’s questionable activities merit much more scrutiny, both by that fact alone and because of the comparative evidence/expectation we have for possible “foul play”.
Should we be discussing this on KB? No. I’m not at all averse to talking politics on here, but I think it’s best to keep mum on this, especially in advance of any determination from the special counsel. This discussion was pretty tiresome.
This is basically what I’ve come to expect from neo-McCarthyite fanaticism I’ve seen on the internet. Lots of personal attacks followed by incredulity. It’s almost as if Trump has triggered the reptilian part of the liberal brain which interferes with basic reasoning. Even though I have credibly sourced every argument I’ve made in the face of ad hominem strawman attacks, I am the one being accused of “poor faith” and “dumb” arguing. Amazing.
You’ll be relieved to know the Saudis are showing up in the investigation based on reports from a couple weeks ago.
A positive sign out of a handful of guys. Knox and Robinson look like players. Knox may be a worthy lottery pick. That being said, I think it’s more important that I’m feeling good about management right now.
Pretty smart statement by Scott Perry.
Oh, and I’ll reserve my political tweets for Twitter. Thank you very much.
In previous posts there are links showing the Saudi and Israeli influence were known for months in advance. In Hillary’s case their ties to the Moroccan and Saudi Royal families were well established. Bill Clinton faced the same issue in 1996 over the Chinese campaign contributions
None of this is new and no one on the mainstream left gave a crap because it wasn’t politically expedient to attack politicians for the same stuff Democrats were doing for years with other shady governments.
I am worried about this too, but there do seem to be some signs he can be a decent rebounder and a fairly competent defender. He just has to work on limiting those turnovers and rounding out his offensive game.
I was going to complain about all the political comments here today; but then I thought, the two sides are actually talking to each other and that doesn’t happen often enough. So I say, let it be, even if it’s tiresome reading.
That was one of the most annoying broadcasts I’ve ever seen in the first half with the fucking split screen for minutes on end and Fizdale and Walton droning on and on and on with no game commentary At All. LeBron this, LeBron that – kill me already I am so sick of hearing about him and Laker shit 7/24. Give it a rest already !
A potential nickname for Kevin Knox is “Special K” but that’s been done before.
Via Posting and Toasting:
oh did i misunderstand? didn’t your argument go from….
“what’s the big deal? nothing happened!”… to ….. “well hillary did it too!”…. super quick…
it’s astounding how similar and predictable this type of behavior is…..hillary fucking clinton is irrelevant… and has always been irrelevant in relation to the investigation of what trump did… and saying that the politician who has been investigated the most… who’s family and foundation were investigated for the last 30 years and were cleared of all wrongdoing from actual partisan investigators… and apparently that’s not enough for certain people… that is actually what a witchhunt looks like….
trump in comparison is facing about 1/10 the energy of what the clinton family have gone through with a lot more shady dealings that are coming out….
hypocrisy has never been a credible defense in a court of law or something you tell investigators so that they stop investigating you…. so even under the most generous interpretation of your arguments… i can’t help but categorize them as bad faith…
it’s not working… please stop….
I never wrote “nothing happened.” If you’re going to be the arbiter of what constitutes “bad faith” argumentation you should at least be intellectually honest to fairly represent an interlocutor argument’s in the process of rebutting it instead of presenting facile strawmen to easily demolish.
I wrote the original claim of Russian election meddling via cyberattacks, hacking the DNC server, and use of propaganda was crap and then clarified my stance that Trump probably did engage in shady dealing with Russian oligarchs, just like countless other politicians have done in the past including his opponent in the 2016 election. All of these are factually proven. Nothing here is actually controversial to people who’ve followed these issues carefully. You can see the evidence I’ve linked, which you clearly have not.
Yeah, I agree, considering that the Clintons have been in politics for around 40 years it makes sense they’ve had a longer history of political scrutiny. They’ve also provided a larger target for their political corruption by making 240 million dollars between 2001 and 2015 after leaving the White House after being 16 million dollars in debt.
But don’t get it twisted, I know Trump is a corrupt POS. He’s also cashing into his presidency… But the Mueller probe is still bullshit.
kinda sounds like….
and no the dnc hacking is not crap…. there is plenty of technical evidence… and if you understood it… you would know it’s undeniably linked to the russians….
and now you’re trying to use big words to try and reason yourself out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into? that’s pretty funny sir…. go do you.. i hope that keeps working out for you….
It might sound like that to a hysterical hyper partisan, but to anyone with with a fair and objective mind its clear that I am not arguing that “nothing happened” when I say that Trump is as corrupt as every major party presidential candidate before him who entertains offers from foreign lobbyists. The difference is that whereas your analysis stops with Trump, I situate him with a larger and systemic history of political bribery, which also includes the candidate he ran against, Hillary Clinton, and various other foreign lobbyists who are ignored because their governments actually do have significant political clout in our political process.
Sorry, its been debunked. Keep up. Not even Mueller is going that route anymore after the DNC denied the FBI access to its supposedly hacked servers.
LOL. I am the one using documented evidence reported in respected media outlets. You’re the other guy repeatedly yelling, “You’re wrong because I said so!” Now that kind of self-evidence fallacy is the epitome of bad faith argumentation.
Except all these things actually happened. Such sources as the Senate Investigative report have confirmed they happened.
Except what actually got reported was Saudis and Emirates ponying up actual loans to Kushner in exchange for his assistance in convincing Trump to crack down on Qatar. And then the crackdown happened! This is new! The US has always had shady support for some pretty bad regimes, but it is not in the business of literally selling our foreign policy. It’s very illegal, for good reason! This is why Flynn was a big deal: he was secretly being paid to lobby on behalf of a foreign government while advising the president on foreign policy! This is not politics as usual, this is not people mad cause Trump does things differently. This is why your arguments aren’t really credible. The last time something like this happened was Iran-Contra, and these are much more serious allegations. But you’re framing it as politics as usual and both-sides-do-it-ism and claiming folks only care because they don’t like trump. Nobody does this! It’s a really fucking big deal! It is not remotely normal!
Sorry for yelling. Go Knicks.
the technical evidence is out there… it’s public… and since you’re citing crowdstrike it’s clear you don’t understand it…. infosec is my living… don’t tell me to keep up….. signatures… ip addresses…. domain registrations…. identical methods to past confirmed russian hacks by other nations(germany) and organizations(ioc)…. you might be able to forge one or two of those things but all of them together is enough to prosecute in a court of law… why isn’t mueller? because it’s pretty hard to subpoena a nation-state particularly if you don’t have a specific name….. which they managed to get with the russian twitter troll farms….
but all of our intelligence agencies fingered the russians… most of europe’s intelligence agencies have fingered the russians…. the intelligence community at large have also fingered the russians…. that’s humint sources that also confirm the technical findings…. there is a tiny sect of people like you who still doubt it…. but from my observations.. it’s because they aren’t technical or they have an axe to grind…. and with you it seems to be both….
please stop… i will keep embarassing you….
Oh my god, you’ve wasted so much time here today spewing political garbage on a Knicks site on behalf of a guy that you know is a corrupt piece of shit? What’s wrong with you?
In the future, it’s probably best to avoid using Uranium One to solidify any argument you’re trying to make. Uranium One is the slightly more respectable version of PizzaGate. When you combine “the Mueller investigation is bullshit” with “what about Uranium One doe” it’s like you might as well just start talking about PizzaGate and QAnon, because you’re just Breitbart-izing the whole conversation.
But I clearly never used Uranium One as the example of a legitimate scandal, I used it show how even the most baseless investigation (like the asinine conspiracy theory that Putin “hacked the election”) can be extended beyond its original intent to reveal all sorts of peripheral corruption. Do I think there is proof the Clintons were bribed to allow Russian access to uranium deposits? No. Do I think that if the FBI used it as a pretext to conduct an indefinite probe into Clinton Foundation dealings abroad that many shady things would be publicized about how they do business with all sorts of nasty foreign governments for gain? I certainly do.
But no one seems to apply the same logic with Russiagate, an actual conspiracy theory being touted and propped up as a pretext for impeachment in the media on the grounds of treason despite the fact that 1.) no legitimate proof of Russian hacking has been found and 2.) the Mueller investigation has moved past this issue the moment the DNC refused to let the FBI look at its servers.
Forgetting the fact that you bypass presenting any evidence to support your argument. If this is so then why has Mueller moved past this issue? Why did CrowdStrike, the private security firm only allowed access to the DNC’s servers, redact and revise aspects of its data analysis were challenged by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion? And why did the DNC refuse to let the FBI look at the hacked server to verify the claim?
Are you joking? I am amazed how little people know about how our system of legalized bribery works. Here is just what the Clinton Foundation has done in courting foreign money for favors. And to be honest, the foreign bribery isn’t even the worst. The money both parties receive from Wall Street, for example, dwarfs any influence Putin, the Saudis, Israel, etc. has on our political system and our financial institutions have actually promoted policies which have been detrimental to our own country as we saw in the 2008 crash.
Fallacious appeals to authority without evidence don’t intimidate me. Either you present your evidence or stop repeating “Because I said so” again and again. It looks desperate and is a very bad form of argumentation.
That’s not why. The reason why, as I’ve repeated several times, is because the FBI wasn’t allowed access to independently corroborate CrowdStrike’s analysis of the server. I’ve posted a link where the FBI admits this after the DNC publicly lied about it but, again, you refuse to look at the documented record.
Untrue. Again, you’re repeating bullshit and showing how uninformed you are. The NYT itself had to retract that lie that all 17 intelligence agencies “fingered the Russians.”
I assume you mean the Dutch government, which still conveniently refuses to release its evidence on CozyBear despite not having any legitimate reason for withholding this vital security information.
You mean the same intelligence community which fallaciously leaked to the Washington Post that the Russians hacked the Vermont energy grid and then retracted that information after a Burlington utility employee repudiated the story?
Someone is being embarrassed here. It’s the person who rambling with no evidence and fallacious appeals. But that person is not me.
Also untrue. Ex-NSA analysts have been the ones raising doubts about the information for awhile. Again, if you read the article I linked you’d see their argument. Here is another article.
Here, in one tweet, is exactly the problem epitomized for all to see. Somehow, my attack of partisan disinformation is seen as a defense of one side vs. the other. Why? Because in our tribalistic political culture one must either for or against any attack on Trump no matter how dishonest or ulterior its motive may be. Wow.
you realize the voa… which was also heavily disputed internally…. leans their argument on timestamps proving it wasnt possible to copy files to wikileaks due to the transfer rate…. which is hilariously bad analysis… just read it…
i havent presented any evidence because im not trying to convince anyone of anything on a knicks board about politics…. you havent presented evidence yourself but youre linking to articles that intentionally misrepresent what youre saying… that is what i mean by bad faith discussions… and for whatever reason you think someone on here is gonna buy these argument?
im not going into the details of crowdstrike… what youre saying is a straightup lie and im calling you out on your bullshit… you can check me on any of the following but you have no idea why there is a certificate… an ip address… a registered domain…. and known methods and techniques… all traced back to past confirmed russian hackings.. you dont know what the significance of that is do you?
its documented and analyzed in numerous places from other reputable security firms.. foreign govt intelligence agencies… and by ours… wtf do u kno thats special that we have not considered? enlighten me please….
you also realize the retraction from the nyt was that ‘not all 17 agencies agreed’.. could you tell me how many did agree and whether or not you wanna take back what you said?
sorry voa is vips… read their fucking rationale…
this ex nsa analyst says that its impossible that wikileaks received these files from the dnc hack because of the timestamp and transfer rate of internet connections… while ignoring the whole ability of simply copying a file…
thats your appeal to authority? please elaborate more on this… whats your take here?
Hey, look, I cited a bunch of articles I found off the internet that provide confirmation bias for the thing I already believe! Game set match, motherfuckers!
I could do the same thing, you know. I could paste in links to a million “look at all the Russia collusion evidence” here, but I’m not that tedious.
Bottom line, you don’t know what evidence Mueller has, and neither do I, so stop pretending like you’ve got this all figured out. Let’s see where the evidence takes us. If it turns out that there was no collusion or conspiracy, well then fucking hooray for America and MAGA forever I guess.
They lean their argument on a number of data points, not just timestamps. If you want to focus on them as part of a cherrypick go ahead. But there were many issues with the metadata which supposedly added up to something completely different than what CrowdStrike, the only security group to have ever looked at the hacked server, surmised before they had to retract and then change parts of their analysis when called out on it by IISS for erroneously using their data as proof of the intrusion.
For one thing, let’s look that the supposedly hacked material’s transfer rate. Metadata showed that on the evening of July 5, 2016 that 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds, a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. This is the documented factual record. The problem? No hacker using an Internet service provider available in mid-2016 was capable of downloading data at this speed.
A test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack. Other investigators have built on this finding. Folden and Edward Loomis say a survey published August 3, 2016, by http://www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index. It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively.
And this was supposedly all done from Romania by Guccifer.
In order to consider your copying “theory,” you’d have to adduce evidence that supports it. All you offer- surprise!- is wild speculation that the filers were “copied.” What evidence supports this theory?
Crowdstrike never handed over evidence. Only an analysis. The server is the evidence and no one has handed that to the FBI yet. As of right now, there is more hard evidence – far more, actually
– for the debunking argument than there is hard evidence for the argument the Russians hacked the server. Again, why not just have the DNC hand over their servers to the FBI to settle this matter once and for all? After all, you are claiming that Russia hacked the DNC during an election to tamper the election. That’s an act of war. Don’t you want to get the unassailable truth out there about an act of war? What possible excuse could the DNC have to hide their servers when handing them over is critical to seeing if the US has been subjected to an act of war by Russia?
You don’t have an answer do you? I’ll wait.
I presented evidence, if you think it’s confirmation bias then rebut it with counterevidence. If you can’t then please remit from the ridiculous ad hominem sarcasm. Obnoxiousness doesn’t conceal the lack of content in one’s position but reveals it. So far you have my presenting evidence and others dismissing it or glossing it over on an empirical stat-based site. LOL.
Untrue. If you actually looked at the confirmation bias articles you brushed over you’d see we do know Mueller doesn’t have any of the metadata on the “Russian hack” because the DNC DID NOT GIVE IT TO THE FBI. That is a fact. Not speculation. And it is the reason why no one is even speculating that his investigation will produce smoking gun proof that the Russians committed an act of cyberwarfare against the US during the 2016 election.
yo.. do me a favor and transfer a file from one computer to another… and then do it again…. and tell me what happens to the timestamp each time… this is not theory.. this is a very easy thing for anyone to check themselves….
the fbi was working with crowdstrike…. they didn’t have access to the machines but they had access to copies and the logs… which are admissible in court…. which the fbi also stated was sufficient… which other intelligence agencies also stated was sufficient…. which the larger InfoSec community says it was sufficient…. yet you and a bunch of amateurs say it matters? wtf do you have to add to say that it’s not?
the analysis that is public is also evidence.. ip addresses.. registered domains… bitly accounts.. you’re handwaving that also based on what?
you are lying… and I can cut through this bullshit all day with you… quit it…
Not interested in crowding up another thread:
Your vox article explicitly states there’s no evidence or even any indication the anyone giving money to the Clinton foundation received anything for it. The only thing anyone has found was that a donor was refused a visa they probably should have gotten. Giving to the Clinton foundation lowered the chances of Clinton doing thing on your behalf.
The DNC turned over copies of the servers to the FBI, presumably backups dating from after the hacks. Do you seriously believe that because they didn’t pass along an actual physical box that they’re hiding something? It’s weird to assume that handing over an actual box is even possible. I wonder how the feds deal with virtualization..
Mueller was reportedly considering bring hacking indictments in early March. Has he decided not to? Is he waiting for some reason? No one actually knows, cause Mueller’s team doesn’t leak. There are lots of possible legitimate reasons for a delay that do not involve a lack of evidence, most significantly ongoing investigation.
I get that you’re utterly convinced of your correctness but your evidence is not supporting your conclusions.