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Friday, November 24, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.10.19)

  • [ESPN] Melo: Felt ‘stabbed in back’ at end of Knicks run
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:01:47 PM)

    Melo: Felt ‘stabbed in back’ at end of Knicks run

  • [NYDN] Melo ‘wants this game’ vs. Knicks, says OKC’s Paul George
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 1:59:55 PM)

    Paul George understands what Thursday means to his new OKC teammate.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony prepares for revenge against buzz-less Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 1:24:18 PM)

    Wilt Chamberlain’s single-game scoring record isn’t in jeopardy, but that doesn’t mean Carmelo Anthony won’t be looking to make a statement.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony talks chips, steaks and divorce from Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:17:26 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony thought Phil Jackson wanted him off the Knicks so badly that, “he was willing to trade me for a bag of chips.”

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony says he was ‘stabbed in the back’ by Phil Jackson as he gets set to close Knicks chapter
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:46:00 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony is looking forward to playing the Knicks in Thursday’s regular-season opener so he can close that chapter of his life. But he admitted he was hurt at the way he was “stabbed in the back” and “pushed out.”

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks expect Carmelo Anthony to be on top of his game
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 3:58:00 PM)

    The league couldn’t have scripted it any better if it tried. After all, when the Knicks were scheduled to take on Oklahoma City on the road in their first game of the season, Carmelo Anthony was still a New York resident, Enes Kanter hadn’t been traded, and a plethora of juicy storylines had yet to be born.

  • [NY Newsday] Q&A with Knicks’ Tim Hardaway Jr. as NBA 2017-18 season tips off
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 10:27:51 AM)

    The Knicks drafted Tim Hardaway Jr. in 2013, sent him to Atlanta two years later, and brought him back over the summer on a four-year, $71 million deal to be a cornerstone player.

  • [NYTimes] Meet the Knicks: No Big Expectations but a Lot of Tall Players
    (Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:37:07 AM)

    While the N.B.A. is increasingly going small, the Knicks have a roster that, at least for now, includes six players who are 6 feet 10 inches or taller.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: It’s Up to Kyrie Irving How the Celtics Move On From a Painful Opener
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 4:57:36 PM)

    The former Cavaliers guard wanted to forge his own path as one of the N.B.A.’s premier players, but not this way, not without Gordon Hayward.

  • [SNY Knicks] Loud Mouths: Melo’s thought process before leaving NY
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 6:43:58 PM)

    Dan Graca and Jon Hein discuss what was going through Carmelo Anthony’s mind as his time with the Knicks came to a close.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tim Hardaway Jr. returns to New York seeking redemption
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 4:55:02 PM)

    Knicks SG Tim Hardaway Jr. has been through a rebuilding process since he left New York, and now he returns with high expectations.

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo Anthony says Knicks pushed him out, but holds no grudge
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:30:41 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony, who was traded from the Knicks to the Thunder in late-September, said he doesn’t hold a grudge against the Knicks for how things transpired in New York.

  • [NYPost] Knicks-Thunder Melodrama comes to head in teams’ opener
    (Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:09:37 AM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — It’s the Knicks season opener, but it’s also “The Melo Bowl.’’ Carmelo Anthony believes his broken marriage isn’t over until he gets through with the Knicks on Thursday at Chesapeake Energy Arena. “Melo wants this, as he should,” Paul George, his new OKC partner in crime, said. “Melo wants this game and…

  • [NYPost] Enes Kanter will have a lot on his mind in ‘emotional’ Knicks debut
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 1:24:27 PM)

    It’s an emotional time for Enes Kanter. His former Utah teammate, Gordon Hayward, suffered one of the most gruesome on-court injuries in recent years Tuesday, after which the Knicks center tweeted his prayers. And his former Thunder teammates are ready to do battle Thursday in the Knicks’ season opener at Chesapeake Arena, where Kanter toiled…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony: I was ‘stabbed in the back’ by Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:58:40 PM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — All summer, Carmelo Anthony asked himself how it got so bad — so thoroughly bad — with the Knicks. He arrived amid fanfare and monster expectations at the 2011 trade deadline. Anthony left just before the start of training camp last month, landing with the Thunder after a head-spinning turn of events…

  • [NYPost] What to expect from Frank Ntilikina in his NBA debut
    (Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:15:13 AM)

    Knicks point guard Frank Ntilikina said he’s “100 percent” to go for his NBA debut but Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek cautioned about the rookie’s playing time in the season opener Thursday in Oklahoma City. “We have some guys at the point guard spot so hopefully we can get him in there some minutes,” Hornacek said….

  • 161 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.19)

    1. Ingmarrrr

      Oh man, if they win this one tonight the whole Melo era would at least have a happy ending. Go Knicks!

    2. Frank

      Pretty bad form from Melo to talk about being “stabbed in the back” etc. Just go play on your super-team and leave us alone. He talks like he’s blameless in the whole thing when he clearly never bought in to what the team was trying to do, and completely mailed it in on defense last year.

      Would be so satisfying to win tonight but my guess is we lose by 15. Westbrook v Sessions is just completely unfair, and if Kanter is going to be starting, we don’t really have any rim protection with KP probably having to stick closely to Melo. I just don’t see any way OKC doesn’t score 115 tonight.

    3. Henry George

      The past 2 seasons, they’ve started surprisingly well: 22-22 two years ago and 16-13 last year (which had them 3rd in the East, btw).

      The biggest difference between this season and last has been the effort, especially on defence. I’m looking for that to continue tonight.

      IMHO, if the effort is there, the other stuff will take care of itself.

    4. er

      Pretty bad form from Melo to talk about being “stabbed in the back” etc. Just go play on your super-team and leave us alone.

      Bad form? lol ok. You act like he wasn’t being asked about how he felt through out last seasons ordeal. He said he talked to Phil 2 fucking times all of last season and 1 was the exit interview……you know what. I wont even get into this. Yea its Melos fault. Go Knicks. lol

    5. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      The way I see it, we’re gonna win some games this year, so if we are gonna win games, this is one I’d really prefer to win. I’m rooting for a Knicks W tonight.

      Buuttttt we’re gonna lose.

    6. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Melo is going to score 35 using 35-40 possessions and OKC is going to win in a laugher. Then all day tomorrow we are going to have to read articles about how the Knicks miss Melo and it’s all Phil’s fault.

      The only things that matter are:

      Does KP look like the same KP from last year or does he actually look more in control and capable of being a #1 option?

      When Nitti gets on the floor, does Westbrook totally embarrass him like he will to Sessions or do we get the feeling that Nitti can actually be a defensive stopper this year?

      Does Willy look like a backup C that can rebound and look really good against 2nd teams or is he actually becoming a starting C that can hang with Adams on both ends?

    7. Frank

      @8 – Nitti is going to get embarrassed, and it won’t be because he’s not a defensive stopper. Dude is 19.1 years old trying to guard Westbrook in his physical prime. It’s not even a contest. I’m more interested in whether he’s in the right place at the right time, and whether he can keep his composure.

    8. MSA

      I don’t mind if we lose tonight, but If I could ask just one thing, I would like to see Melo trying to do one of those patented lazy dunk attempts and being ferociously blocked by KP :)

    9. er

      Then all day tomorrow we are going to have to read articles about how the Knicks miss Melo and it’s all Phil’s fault.

      Totally disagree….everyone knew it was time to part. Don’t get me wrong Phil fucked the team up a bit but it is what it is

    10. d-mar

      Heard that DS Jr. had a big game for the Mavs, and just for yucks, decided to check how his opposing PG did.

      The great Dennis Schroeder had 28 points and 7 assists.

      But let’s get all upset about highlight reel dunks by DS and not worry about his defense.

    11. er

      Heard that DS Jr. had a big game for the Mavs, and just for yucks, decided to check how his opposing PG did.

      The great Dennis Schroeder had 28 points and 7 assists.

      But let’s get all upset about highlight reel dunks by DS and not worry about his defense.

      Damn you sound like a hater. First of all Dennis Schroeder was fucking terrible the first 3 quarters of the game. I even came to KB to complain because hes on my fantasy team. Hes fast as hell and he was blowing by everyone in the 4th (Mostly Mathews and Yogi Farrell) to pad his stats getting to the bucket. I actually blame Carlisle for not having Noel in til the end of the game. And yes Smith looked great in his first NBA game as a 19 year old.

      Please stop hating on Smith…this site gets super annoying with shit like this

    12. d-mar

      I’m not hating on Smith, just trying to tone down the inevitable overreaction to every good game he has and every game that Frank struggles.

    13. bobneptune

      “I think there’s a lot that went on last year that affected us,’’ Hornacek said of Anthony’s charges. “But however he feels, you have to get that from him. We’re just moving on with the guys we have and we’ll get this thing going.”

      The Post reported Anthony berated Porzingis for talking positively about the triangle to reporters in March. It was also reported assistant Kurt Rambis had a shouting match with Anthony at halftime of a game in Brooklyn regarding his lagging defense.

      “He tried sabotaging things,’’ one source close to Hornacek told The Post.

      We all know he’s scoring 37 tonight on 12-30 shooting and they’ll win by 11 and we’ll get to look at that dumb-assed smirk one more time….

    14. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      If Rudy Gobert is top 3 he’s not 3. Or two.

      Gobert is the most impactful defensive player in the NBA. Whole game plans go out the window when he’s on the court. Btw if Donovan Mitchell becomes a somebody remember who predicted that. I was the only guy here talking about drafting him because of his 6’10” wingspan, his defensive potential, and his TS% in conference play (which was like 60% of the entire sample). He reminds me of a two-way Eric Gordon, and that kind of player.

      I’m happy with Frank, but I really believe in Mitchell along with Isaac and Kennard. Hornacek seems to really like Ntilikina a lot, too. Can’t stop talking about his feel for the game, his work ethic, and his attention to detail.

    15. mase

      Funny how the three biggest ball hogs are on the same team. Anyway, I’m ready to see mcbuckets to and kanter light Okc up, then we can talk about who forced who out.

    16. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      @8 – Nitti is going to get embarrassed, and it won’t be because he’s not a defensive stopper. Dude is 19.1 years old trying to guard Westbrook in his physical prime.

      I know what you are saying, but I’ll be looking for things that let me know he will eventually be a defensive stopper. I’m not expecting it tonight.

    17. bobneptune

      Yeah….. not a tough assignment for Frank tonight…. gets to play Mr. Triple Double MVP in his first NBA game on the road after missing the summer league and all but 17 minutes of the pre season… but WTF…. he had two full court scrimmages in the last 2 weeks :-)

    18. Owen

      Interesting boxes from last night from a +/- perspective. For instance, the on/off for Gobert and Sefolosha. Or Fultz’. Also, Noel and Nowitizki.

      How Nerlens Noel was not signed to a long term contract by someone is utterly baffling to me.

      Also, the Greek Freak is something else. The clips from last night on deadspin are definitely worth a look.

    19. DRed

      Nitti is going to get embarrassed, and it won’t be because he’s not a defensive stopper. Dude is 19.1 years old trying to guard Westbrook in his physical prime.

      Yeah, Frank didn’t even play preseason ball. I have no idea what to expect from him, but if he gets wrecked by one of the best players in the NBA in the first game of his career I’m not going to worry.

      As for the other rookies, I watched some of the Orlando game last night-Isaacs didn’t do much on offense, but he had something like 8 rebounds in 16 or 17 minutes and looked pretty disruptive on defense. I still wish we’d gotten some lottery luck and been able to run out an enormous Isaacs, KP, Willy front court. Dennis Smith I didn’t see, but it’s nice that he didn’t go out there chucking. Philly looked good in spurts but they’ve got to start letting Simmons run the show. Embiid insisted on bringing the ball up the court a few times that I saw and turned it over-there’s absolutely no reason he should ever be bringing the ball up court unless he’s leading a fast break.

    20. ClashFan

      In case you haven’t seen it, here is CBS New York/Schmeelk’s predictions for the Knicks:
      http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/19/new-york-knicks-kristaps-porzingis-frank-ntilikina-tim-hardaway-jr-jeff-hornacek/

      A couple of highlights: he predicts 26 wins, good results for KP and Frank, Hornacek surviving the year, very bad defense but good effort.

      He also predicts that the Warrior will not win the championship this year due to a key injury and that the already 0-2 Celtics will make the Finals.

      FWIW.

    21. ClashFan

      BTW, did anyone see Stanley Johnson’s stats for last night? In 40 minutes, he was 0-13.

      Tonight is a likely blow out, and lots of guys will probably play.

      The game within the game will be Melo’s stats vs. Kanter and McD.

    22. DRed

      I think we have the talent (probably) to out perform the vegas line, but our roster is terribly constructed and we once again have a bunch of new guys to incorporate (if we’re starting Kanter/KP/Lee/Timmy/Sessions that’s 3 new starters), so we might really suck at the start of the season.

    23. kevin5318

      How much will Frank actually be defending WB with Sessions starting?

      I’d guess that Horny won’t throw him into the fire on his first game back.

    24. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Niiti will get probably get embarrassed by Westbrook because of lack of knowledge, but we’ll be able to tell whether he has the physical ability and quickness to stay in front of him better than the average PG. That’s what I will be looking for. If he’s not a revolving door, I don’t care how many times he blows an assignment or commits a foul. That stuff will come later. I just don’t want to see Westbrook blowing by him and dunking before Nitti even moves his feet.

    25. bidiong

      24 – 30 wins. I’ll sign up to get proverbially stabbed in the back anytime for 20 minutes salary + endorsements. Melo mailed it in last year. Once this game is over hopefully we won’t hear about him for awhile.

    26. DS

      DSJ’s line last night was great.

      On October 30, 2009, against the Philadelphia 76ers, Brandon Jennings made his debut and recorded 17 points, 9 rebounds, 9 assists, and hit 2 three-point shots, and played 34 minutes.

      In his second game, on October 31, 2009, against the Detroit Pistons, also his debut in Bradley Center, Jennings scored 16 points during the third quarter and a team-high 24 points for the game to lead the Bucks to a victory.

      On November 14, he scored 55 points in a game.

    27. Frank

      Barring injury I think DSJ will be a really good player — not just because of his skill set but because he ended up in Dallas with Carlisle. Carlisle is a freaking amazing coach who will not hesitate to sit DSJ’s ass down if he isn’t doing what he’s supposed to — much like Budenholzer in ATL, Pop, and the other great coaches. I think he’ll probably have a really good career — a career he might not have had if he came here with our complete lack of a winning culture and with Hornacek, who might be ok but has a real credibility problem in the locker room if Woj/beat reporters are to be believed.

      My point is – DSJ could be an All-star in Dallas in a few years, but still have been the wrong pick for these Knicks.

    28. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Frank Ntilikina will probably do a good job containing Westbrook until Westbrook gets him into bad foul trouble.

    29. bobneptune

      I honestly want to see Dotson play Melo significant minutes tonight. Horny played Dotson the 6th most minutes in pre season and I’m guessing he did that because he sees something worthwhile in him.

      Maybe have an S&M streak in me but I want to watch Frank v Westbrook and Dotsom v Melo some because if they survive things get a lot easier for them going forward…. and they can’t possibly do worse than Mc Dermott and Jack :-)

      Bleep it…. I’m ready for some real basketball with some players actually trying. FFS…. Greg Maddux was 8-18 with a 5.58 ERA his first 180 innings……

    30. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      There’s almost no way Dennis Smith Jr will be an unproductive pro ball player, but I don’t think I’ll ever regret passing on him at #8. He did not want to be here obviously (probably Phil Jackson’s fault), that knee will not hold up with the way he plays the game, and he’s probably never going to be a good defender. He already runs the show in Dallas, which is impressive for a teenager on the same team as Dirk Nowitzki, but I want a guy who will play a lot and defend a lot at the point guard spot. Despite Frank’s minor issues, I think he’ll be a guy who takes care of his body, out thinks guys on offense, and terrorizes teams on defense. I’m happy we got Frank, and I hope Dennis Smith Jr doesn’t go full Derrick Rose.

    31. bobneptune

      Boston couldn’t use an elite 3 ball shooting place holder wing with Butler Boy out for the duration….Mr. Lee…. your seat on the Boston Shuttle from LGA if open , sir!

    32. chrisk06811

      I’m curious to see how these two new “super teams” gel.
      -As we all know, OKC now has 2 guys who dominate the ball, plus an aging Paul George, and pretty much no bench.
      -Hou pretty much has 2 ball dominant PGs, neither of whom have a history of playing well without the ball. The smart plan would be to let Paul run the show with Harden sliding to the 2, but they (he) won’t do that.

      I’m not sure either team has the right fit to really advance.

    33. ess-dog

      Lin seems like a great guy and the injury really sucks, but I think the Nets are better off not having to have him as a starter. Now Russell can be the drive man, LeVert gets more time, and so does Crabbe and his amazing 3pt shooting. They really need another center though, and since we have like 7 of them…

    34. swiftandabundant

      I think OKC will be good and I think PG is a good fit for them since he can kind of do everything and is good on defense but man their front office has to be kicking themselves. They balked and giving Harden a big contract and then a few years later KD leaves. They chose Ibaka over Harden essentially, breaking up a super young big three before it could even get going. I mean…they literally had 3 of the top ten players in the NBA on their team (you could even argue 3 of the top 5) and they fucked it up.

      Now they have a lesser big three with Russ, Melo and PG. God they screwed that up.

    35. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      They also ended up with the worst player of all three. Harden and KD are two of the three best players at their position of all time. At least Westbrook broke the triple double record, right?

    36. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Russell Westbrook has a defensive reputation that’s years outdated. Steph Curry religiously got right by him in that WCFs two years ago and Hassan Whiteside contested more three point jumpers than Russ did last year (at least that was the case at one point). Russ isn’t the defender people think he is.

    37. 2FOR18, understands math

      I don’t see how westbrook, old melo, PG, Adams and company get within 10 games of the 59 win team that had westbrook, mvp level Durant, prime Ibaka, Reggie Jackson and co., especially in the current West.

    38. Frank

      Will be interesting to see if Russ’s defense improves now that he has Melo and George to take the offensive load. The vast majority of very high usage guys basically just rest on defense. It’s no surprise that Durant’s defense went to the next level after going to GS.

    39. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      I don’t see how westbrook, old melo, PG, Adams and company get within 10 games of the 59 win team that had westbrook, mvp level Durant, prime Ibaka, Reggie Jackson and co., especially in the current West.

      I logged my predictions late in the other thread, but I think OKC is going to be the biggest “disappointment” in the league this year, followed by the Pels. I only hope for a healthy season for them so there’s no what-if thinkpieces about lost opportunities.

      Carmelo is going to shoot them out of a lot of games.

    40. danvt

      You know the knick record without melo has been doo doo right?

      No question the Knicks will “miss” Melo in the short term. It doesn’t mean it was a bad deal. It’s been pretty obvious to everyone that we needed to become a real team with a multi-pronged attack. Not an organization that handed it to one guy. It sort of worked with Bernard King and Patrick Ewing because those teams defended well, but they still weren’t offensive juggernauts. If we think KP becomes that type of player we’re in for a world of hurt because his one on one ability is nowhere near those two NYK greats. Point is, iso is always bad. It’s unaesthetic and usually not effective. Harden going to the line 25 times / game maybe but still boring and they WILL lose eventually to GSW who move it like Princeton.

      Yes, we took a step backwards to take a step forwards. I think that’s become clear as we’ve watched this hideous preseason. The roster is a mess. Hopefully there are a few keepers. Right now what we all should be interested in is coaching and, over time, whether the GM can make the right moves with regard to our cap and draft.

      Yes, it’s going to be painful watching us get our ass kicked by Mello and Russ but we were going to lose this game with him as well. At least, now, we’re making moves to be a real team.

      Very psyched for tipoff. Just can’t wait until Ntilikina gets in. Go NYK! Hey, you never know…unless you’re a Knick fan and then you’re as close as they come to always knowing…

    41. ess-dog

      OKC could potentially have a top 5 defense but they got less efficient on offense. I give them maybe a 5 or 6 game bump from last year, helped by the Clips and maybe Jazz getting worse.

    42. er

      the kincks record with melo has been doo-doo

      How did I know someone would say that…..

      30 wins vs 44 losses with melo last year 40.5%
      1 win vs 7 losses without Melo last year 12.5%

    43. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      It’s no surprise that Durant’s defense went to the next level after going to GS.

      Any stats to back that up? The guy was a monster defender in OKC.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyLxqyvkaQ

      https://youtu.be/KfyLxqyvkaQ?t=130

      That footwork is outstanding for a guy his height. And he can cover positional errors with those arms. Gets his hands in early on layup attempts.

      https://youtu.be/KfyLxqyvkaQ?t=189

      Great recovery after losing his man, and again, his physical gifts turn that from a contested shot to a block.

    44. er

      I don’t see how westbrook, old melo, PG, Adams and company get within 10 games of the 59 win team

      DUDE THEY WON 47 GAMES LAST YEAR

    45. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      How did I know someone would say that…..

      30 wins vs 44 losses with melo last year 40.5%
      1 win vs 7 losses without Melo last year 12.5%

      Is Carmelo better at basketball than a literal sack of potatoes? Yes. But in the NBA, if you don’t pay a black-hole volume chucker $28M, you can spend that on other players to help you win. And when you don’t trade multiple picks and players for one guy, you have options to replace that “star” production when he’s out. But your head’s been in the sand on these points for years.

    46. er

      OKC could potentially have a top 5 defense but they got less efficient on offense.

      That is laughable. Just the fact that they added two 42% catch and shoot 3 point shooters next to Westbrook will improve the efficiency. I think OKC was something like 28th in the NBA last year in catch and shoot 3 point percentage.

    47. er

      Carmelo better at basketball than a literal sack of potatoes? Yes. But in the NBA, if you don’t pay a black-hole volume chucker $28M, you can spend that on other players to help you win. And when you don’t trade multiple picks and players for one guy, you have options to replace that “star” production when he’s out. But your head’s been in the sand on these points for years.

      Blah blah,

      the stats were in response to “cuz no mo melo mailing it in on defense and taking 25 + shots, younger player get to gel together.”

    48. JK47

      As many here have correctly pointed out, OKC had a Pythag record of 43 wins last year. Some people will probably tell you that Pythag wins are fake news and are bullshit, but those people are wrong.

      They’ll have to improve by a whole hell of a lot to get to 55 wins in a tough conference.

    49. er

      So many folks gonna be butthurt here this season. Its gonna be great. cant wait.

      People talking about the thunder offense is less efficient…and they wont win 50 games lol sure.

    50. Frank

      Most of the Kevin Durant defense thing was eye test but there certainly are stats:

      Durant 2016-17 DRPM +1.33 (was 0.97 and 0.67 the 2 prior years)
      Durant 2016-17 DBPM + 2.6 (career +0.3, +0.9 and -0.2 the 2 prior years)
      Durant 2016-17 career high TRB%, career high block rate (3.8% vs. prev best 2.5), career best DWS/48.

    51. er

      As many here have correctly pointed out, OKC had a Pythag record of 43 wins last year. Some people will probably tell you that Pythag wins are fake news and are bullshit, but those people are wrong.

      They’ll have to improve by a whole hell of a lot to get to 55 wins in a tough conference.

      Wanna hear a secret? CP3 doesn’t make Houston better. He just doesn’t. And they traded too much for him…they will have the same record as last year more or less. OKC completely changed from a plodding team who played 2 big men together to a more fluid team with good three point shooting and 1 true center and still a dominant defense. But Melo ….lol. Cant wait.

    52. Frank

      Thunder are going to be really really good this year, if for no other reason than they won’t be -10 for the 12 minutes Russ sits every game. Prob 56 wins? If they were in eastern conference they’d win 60 for sure.

      it’s not just the offense, where it’s not Sabonis and Roberson and Oladipo and Kyle Singler shooting off Russ passes – it’s that Paul George is just so good on defense to the point they don’t have to play Roberson so much (not that I dislike Roberson – i think he’s great)

      Same with Houston – CP3+Harden isn’t exactly synergistic, but Harden WAS the Houston offense last year and he wore down eventually. Those end of 1st and beginning of 2nd quarter stretches will now be owned by CP3. Imagine backup PGs playing against CP3 every night.

    53. er

      KD definitely has the tools of a great defender, he just seems a little more aggressive on that end. I think that’s the eye test that people are seeing. It actually started in his last OKC series where he dominated the Warriors defensively

    54. 2FOR18, understands math

      Damn it. I’m getting old. I can’t believe Harden has been in Houston since the 2012-2013 season.

    55. Bruno Almeida

      When you predict Chris Paul to be less impactful in a positive manner than Melo any time, it kinda leads people to ignore your arguments. We have only 14 years of evidence that he is by far the superior player in every way.

    56. JK47

      Wanna hear a secret? CP3 doesn’t make Houston better. He just doesn’t.

      Right, adding a player who is .200+ WS48 every single year won’t make your team any better. But adding a guy (Melo) who is around .100 WS48 for three straight seasons makes you awesome. Thanks for the basketball education, “DRose4prez.”

    57. 2FOR18, understands math

      Well re: OKC predictions, it’s hard to argue with laughable, lol, butthurt, DUDE, sure, blah blah, and ……….

    58. swiftandabundant

      CP3 probably won’t make Houston that much better in the regular season. They all ready won A LOT of games last year. Improving 4 or 5 games when you’re all ready winning over 55 games in the regular season is very difficult. But in the post season CP3 should help A LOT because you can always have one of him or Harden on the floor at all times.

      Melo and PG will potentially help OKC a lot more in the regular season AND the post season though we shall see.

    59. ess-dog

      Right, and Chris Paul was 50% on catch-and-shoot threes, but Houston will regress for sure. Got it.

    60. er

      Right, and Chris Paul was 50% on catch-and-shoot threes, but Houston will regress for sure. Got it.

      Yeah….I said “regress” no I said “regress for sure”

    61. er

      @72 Bruno you sound like a politician. You twisted everything I said to prove your point. Show me where I said Melo is better than Chris Paul. I’ll wait.

      If you can read…I said he doesn’t make HOUSTON better. I didn’t say shit about any other team.

    62. JK47

      Melo makes OKC way better.
      Chris Paul doesn’t move the needle for Houston.

      So no, you didn’t directly say the words “Melo is better than CP3,” but you did make assertions that are almost as ludicrous.

      But whatever, you’re the “DRose 4 Prez” guy, and that level of complete wrongness just kind of speaks for itself.

    63. JK47

      Houston is giving Patrick Beverley’s minutes to a guy who is one of the greatest point guards in the history of the sport. But that prolly won’t make them any better.

    64. er

      Please what assertion is ludicrous?

      And the Drose thing was a joke because of all the bitching last offseason. Very mature to bring that up when I’m making valid points.

      You guys are either low iq or disegenous. Again I never said or hinted in anyway that cp3 is worse than melo. But again tell me how I’m disrespecting the troops…morons.

    65. er

      @82 you could give Michael Jordan minutes but of you don’t put him in position to succeed, does it matter?

    66. JK47

      What valid points have you made? Houston won’t be any better because you said so? OKC will win 55 games because something something catch and shoot?

      Sorry, but you’re one of the more consistently wrong posters on here.

    67. er

      It ain’t that hard. The rockets will be the same team as last year wins wise. They look the exact same don’t they? What has Chris paul added? If you watch the thunder they play like a completely different team vs last year offensively while being just as good on the boards and defensively.

      I give you stats and you say “something something” so I quit
      U win melo sucks blah blah.

    68. er

      I’m just gonna leave this here for you, er. It seems like a lively place for Thunder debate: https://www.welcometoloudcity.com

      No thanks. I forgot are the Knicks playing them or no? Nobody better ever talk about another team here. I’m posting all the fucking blogs.

    69. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Some people will probably tell you that Pythag wins are fake news and are bullshit, but those people are wrong.

      It’s valid in aggregate and close even when it’s wrong, but in specific situations it’s not right.

      Some teams are going to close out very tight games better than others. To some extent the fact that they are in a close game is already telling you something important and SRS captures that, but imo there are subtle differences that it doesn’t capture.

    70. 2FOR18, understands math

      Look if you idiots can’t see that melo’s gravity, plus the feedback loop him, RW and PG will provide like the multiplier effect on the economy of an alien invasion, then whatevs…….

    71. JK47

      Houston doesn’t look exactly the same. They are replacing journeyman Patrick Beverley with this generation’s answer to John Stockton. I don’t know why it’s so hard to figure out that you’re probably gonna be a better team if you give minutes to a brilliant player that you were previously giving to a merely good player.

    72. MSA

      I think is reasonable to think that Houston’s record will be more or less the same this year.

      They won 55 games last year. It’s hard to be MUCH better than that even with CP3.

      Just look at KD and the Warriors. Their record got worse

      That doesn’t mean that the Rockets aren’t a much better team, tho. Both Warriors and Rockets are way better than before regarless of record.

    73. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I don’t see this Melo thing as black or white the way a lot of other people do.

      1. On the Knicks he was often a black hole that stopped the ball and unnecessarily took bad shots.

      2, He should benefit by being the 2nd or 3rd option on OKC, getting double teamed less frequently, and getting the ball in better spots playing off Westbrook.

      Both of these can be true.

    74. bobneptune

      Right, adding a player who is .200+ WS48 every single year won’t make your team any better. But adding a guy (Melo) who is around .100 WS48 for three straight seasons makes you awesome. Thanks for the basketball education, “DRose4prez.”

      Careful….. Knicks may win 50 this year because they traded Me7o for the 12th best player in the league over the past 2 seasons according to ws/48 (click the ws/48 tab and watch the lol’s ensue) :

      https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&type=advanced&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2016&year_max=2017&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=ws_per_48&c1comp=gt&order_by=ws

    75. JK47

      Okay, forget WS48. I’ve always said it’s not a be-all, end-all metric, and that it’s convenient for shorthand.

      Got any other metric that shows Melo is anywhere near Chris Paul’s caliber as a basketball player then? Care to make the argument that Chris Paul is not an exponentially better player than Melo?

    76. JK47

      We got a trump surrogate here. Sad.

      If that is aimed at me, that is a pretty nonsensical comment. You’re flying off the rails here, pallie.

    77. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I think Paul will have an impact because he can take the burden off Harden some nights and take control of the game if Harden is having a bad game, is feeling low energy, or someone is doing a good job locking him down. They didn’t have that option last year because everything ran through Harden.

    78. er

      @101 Nah im not. I said like 3 times that I never said or think Melo is better than Paul yet you keep saying that. Sounds like Kellyanne or Spicer to me.

    79. Bruno Almeida

      Dude, ok. Can we chill with the Trump comparisons please? It really makes it seem like you think morality and righteousness in on your side and attacking people by comparing them to the worst politician in recent memory is not helping your cause.

      You literally give 0 reasons why Paul won’t improve the Rockets outside of “lol” “laughable” or “you’re Trump”. So chill the f down, can we?

      Loud city is there for you.

    80. er

      I think Paul will have a bigger impact in the playoffs than the regular season because he can take the burden off Harden some nights and take control of the game if Harden is having a bad game, is feeling low energy, or someone is doing a good job locking him down. They didn’t have that option last year because everything ran through Harden.

      I agree 100% Harden wears down by the playoffs and they will need CP3s playmaking and slowdown game at that point.

    81. er

      Dude, ok. Can we chill with the Trump comparisons please? It really makes it seem like you think morality and righteousness in on your side and attacking people by comparing them to the worst politician in recent memory is not helping your cause.

      You literally give 0 reasons why Paul won’t improve the Rockets outside of “lol” “laughable” or “you’re Trump”. So chill the f down, can we?

      Nah nothing to do with morality. And I wasn’t talking about Trump himself, im talking about the fact distortion. I am comparing to Donny in that way. I don’t think anyone here is as loathsome as 45.

      And again I said he wont make them better because he wont get the chance to.

    82. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      Never in the history of basketball has anyone been treated as unfairly as Melo has!

    83. JK47

      Somehow I think Mike D’Antoni will be able to figure out how to get lots of production out of Chris Paul.

    84. er

      I think Paul will have an impact because he can take the burden off Harden some nights and take control of the game if Harden is having a bad game, is feeling low energy, or someone is doing a good job locking him down. They didn’t have that option last year because everything ran through Harden.

      Yes of course but there is no way to correlate wins to this.

    85. er

      Somehow I think Mike D’Antoni will be able to figure out how to get lots of production out of Chris Paul.

      Dantoni has proved so far that he doesn’t adjust to his players. He hasn’t changed the offense at all with Chris Paul in tow. If hes smart he will.

    86. Bruno Almeida

      @107

      All I’m saying is that while you perceive yourself victim of personal attacks, you go out and associate people’s arguments with Trump which is clearly not responding to any argument, just asserting you’re better than said person.

      We’re all incensed all the time here and say stupid shit. Strong and sometimes even rabid arguments are a part of this blog ever since I started coming here. Doesn’t mean someone is a Trump surrogate because he thinks your opinions are bullshit.

    87. er

      Never in the history of basketball has anyone been treated as unfairly as Melo has!

      I vote for Sasha Vujachic…hes a champ and a machine.

    88. er

      All I’m saying is that while you perceive yourself victim of personal attacks, you go out and associate people’s arguments with Trump which is clearly not responding to any argument, just asserting you’re better than said person.

      We’re all incensed all the time here and say stupid shit. Strong and someimes even rabid arguments are a part of this blog ever since I started coming here. Doesn’t mean someone is a Trump surrogate because he thinks your opinions are bullshit.

      did you even read the post you just @? Also I am no victim so no thanks on that one. I don’t care if people disagree with me, what I have a problem with is distortion of what I said.

    89. JK47

      D’Antoni shreds his opponents by pick and rolling and three-point bombing them to death. Chris Paul is an ideal player for him. That offense is going to murder people.

    90. Bruno Almeida

      @114

      I did… surprisingly I can read!

      Everybody else distorts facts, so you must not do it right? What I’m saying is that it happens with everyone, including you, and yet you keep saying you’re misunderstood or that people intentionally misinterpret what you say.

      Anyway, it’s gone way too far already.

    91. yellowboy90

      because he can’t play like John Stockton anymore because of the system

      Yes but he probably turns into a higher volume and better assisting Jeff Hornacek.

    92. Mike Honcho

      Lots of salt here today. I guess that’s part of the charm of the knickerblogger, tho.

      OKC might improve their record a few games, or they might not. They went 18-12 against the East last year, and I could easily see them roasting some East teams for a few extra games. IMO, the more relevant point is if they can hang with the West’s big dogs in the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Rockets, Spurs and Warriors are in another tier entirely and it’s on OKC to prove that they can keep up.

      CP3 absolutely makes the Rockets better in the aggregate – he can diversify their offensive approach with his insanely efficient midrange shooting as well as contribute to the passing and threes engine that Houston thrives on. He’s also an excellent defender, so it’s hard to see them feeling the loss of Patrick Beverly too much. He’s also basically the best available Harden injury insurance.

    93. er

      Everybody else distorts facts, so you must not do it right? What I’m saying is that it happens with everyone, including you, and yet you keep saying you’re misunderstood or that people intentionally misinterpret what you say.

      No ive never done this:

      “Wanna hear a secret? CP3 doesn’t make Houston better. He just doesn’t. And they traded too much for him…they will have the same record as last year more or less. OKC completely changed from a plodding team who played 2 big men together to a more fluid team with good three point shooting and 1 true center and still a dominant defense. But Melo ….lol. Cant wait.”

      “When you predict Chris Paul to be less impactful in a positive manner than Melo any time, it kinda leads people to ignore your arguments. We have only 14 years of evidence that he is by far the superior player in every way.”

      That doesn’t even look like it is in response to my post. In saying Chris Paul wont make the Rockets much better (because of the Offense and the ball dominance of James Harden) it somehow flipped into me saying that the OKC improvement INCLUDING PAUL GEORGE , means I think Melo is better than CP3?

    94. Bruno Almeida

      @119

      Again, you say I can’t read and yet you also cannot. Welcome to the club.

      I said that in every situation CP3 is more impactful than Melo. Ball domination, Harden, MDA, whatever situation. You think Melo will positively impact OKC, and that CP3 won’t make the Rockets “much better”.

      I disagree and I think its stupid to, at the same time, think Melo will be impactful in a positive manner and Chris Paul won’t, because Paul is clearly the better player.

      You misread and twist my facts, Trump surrogate.

    95. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      IMO, Paul George > Melo, but I expect Melo to play a little better at PF with Westbrook as the PG. It’s the combination of both and the addition Patrick Patterson that I think cumulatively makes OKC better. It’s not just a debate about Melo.

    96. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      As the resident Libertarian, I pretty much hate both parties and have despised every recent president for different reasons. So I don’t care who you compare me to. If he’s a politician, with one or two exceptions, that’s an insult. :-)

    97. ess-dog

      “You Watched Me Walk Through Hell, Now Watch Me Walk Up Out It”#STAYME7O

      If 26 mil over 365 days is hell, sign me the f- – – up, please.

    98. er

      As the resident Libertarian, I pretty much hate both parties and have despised every recent president for different reasons. So I don’t care who you compare me to. If he’s a politician, with one or two exceptions, that’s an insult. :-)

      I hate em both too lol. And like I said I was talking bout the fact twisting and “alternative fact” lifestyle

    99. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      If 26 mil over 365 days is hell, sign me the f- – – up, please.

      When I read his quote, I almost wanted to bet the “under” so I would have a reason to root against OKC. :-)

    100. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I’m pretty skeptical about how large an impact Chris Paul will have as a member of James Harden’s Rockets. D’Antoni isn’t creative enough an offensive mind to maximize the production from both CP3 and Harden. They need to give CP3 the ball and let Harden be the secondary playmaker but first scoring option because James Harden turns the ball over 4-6 Times a game. CP3 will limit turnovers and that would boost the offense even more, but I don’t see that as a possibility. I think James Harden and his $224 million deal will run the show and it would lead to a small difference in wins.

    101. Bruno Almeida

      @122

      Personal insults again! You’re either way too immature or simply self centered as all hell. Nobody else can read, nobody else understands your brilliant arguments and everyone else is just butthurt about Melo.

      Congratulations on your self-esteem boost. I’m sure at the OKC blogs your arguments will be considered brilliant!

    102. er

      When I read his quote, I almost wanted to bet the “under” so I would have a reason to root against OKC. :-)

      Why tho? This is what a lot of you wanted being melo to hate being in NY so he would accept a trade….

    103. JK47

      It D’Antoni can’t figure out how to get good value out of both Chris Paul and James Harden then he’s a goddamn idiot. That team is going to blitz people on offense all year long.

      They’re embracing the future, which is a two-PG attack. They will be very good.

    104. er

      Personal insults again! You’re either way too immature or simply self centered as all hell. Nobody else can read, nobody else understands your brilliant arguments and everyone else is just butthurt about Melo.

      Congratulations on your self-esteem boost. I’m sure at the OKC blogs your arguments will be considered brilliant!

      Eh ok. You have been trying to argue with me that CP3 is better than Melo for like an hour, when I have been agreeing with you the whole time. So idk. It’s ok you right it’s me

    105. er

      ” D’Antoni can’t figure out how to get good value out of both Chris Paul and James Harden then he’s a goddamn idiot”

      Boom exactly…..he won’t even change the offense for Chris Paul lol

    106. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      Pretty sure Chris Paul is going to have a major problem running a fast-paced offense that relies on dribble penetration, 3PT shooting and lobbing the ball to Clint Capela 10 times a game.

      Yeah, haha, okay.

    107. er

      The Clippers were 17th in pace last year (behind the fast breaking Knicks at 15) while Rockets were 3rd. That seems like a difference.

    108. Frank

      I think OKC will acquit themselves very well in the playoffs, especially since their major weakness right now is their bench, which is less of an issue in the playoffs. They have a great point guard. They have 2 legit plus-plus wing defenders (Roberson and Paul George) that they can put on KD or Harden or Kawhi. They have shooting. Rebounding won’t be as good as it was when they were going twin-towers but Adams is really solid and they will get a lot of rebounding from the combination of Melo / George / Russ. And even more importantly, they’re not Russ or bust on offense anymore. Melo, Russ, and PG can all dribble, shoot, and create for others. They’re going to be really good.

      I think how far they go will really come down to how much Melo commits on the defensive end. He CAN be an at least average defender, especially at the 4. He just chooses not to be.

    109. vpach

      From the Knicks/Thunder preview posted on welcometoloudcity.com today:

      “Melo is embracing his role as a defensive stopper after doing a phenomenal job on containing Anthony Davis to 14 points. Porzingis is the next step.”

      If they expect Melo to be a “defensive stopper” they are going to be disappointed………

    110. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Getting good value out of the best point and shooting guard in the NBA won’t be difficult. Maximizing their talents however won’t be easy for D’Antoni. GSW and SAS consistently get the best out of their players.

    111. ClashFan

      So, Melo was in “hell” recently? Is he referencing the extramarital affair that cost him his wife? Just wondering.

      That quote makes Derrick Rose look thoughtful and self-aware.

    112. hoolahoop

      I’ve been Melo’s biggest basher from early on – since the day they made that awful trade to get him. I never liked his brand of basketball.
      But let’s make one thing clear. For the most part, he’s always taken the high road on off-the-court matters. Yes, he’s got sticky fingers. And yeah, he’s not the superstar they built him up to be.
      But, over the years, I’ve come to admire him. I like the man he is. Always quick with a smile. Never bashing teammates. He’s a good guy. That’s why his teammates love him.
      As much as I screamed at the tv screen when the ball was in his hands, I’m going to miss the guy.
      Maybe it sounds hokey, especially in a basketball blog, but some things are bigger than the game.

    113. 2FOR18, understands math

      I’m thankful I can watch 80 Knicks games this season without having to see that “whatever, I got mine” smirk.

    114. bockadoo

      Chris Paul’s value is diminished on Houston because Harden has now and will probably always have the ball most of the time. Someone said earlier that Harden is one of the 3 best at his position in history? Is that point guard or shooting guard? Negative on both. After Lebron, Paul makes teammates better BETTER than anyone else, but he can’t do that without the ball. He will make them better, but not by as much as he should/could. They should give Paul the ball and then Harden will average 30 and they’ll be amazing. If that doesn’t happen they’ll be very good but not a threat for a chip. Can’t stand watching Harden stop the ball. He’s incredibly talented but I don’t think he makes other guys better, and your main guy has to do that to win it all.

    115. thenoblefacehumper

      When you find yourself arguing that Carmelo Anthony will be more “impactful” or whatever than Chris freakin’ Paul, you done fucked up.

    116. er

      So, Melo was in “hell” recently? Is he referencing the extramarital affair that cost him his wife? Just wondering.

      That quote makes Derrick Rose look thoughtful and self-aware.

      Again, is this not what you wanted? Im so confused by the hemming and hawing to this. You got your wish.

    117. JK47

      He’s not saying Melo will be more impactful. He’s just saying that Houston won’t be any better with Chris Paul, and that OKC will be better with Melo.

      Stop twisting his words, Kellyanne!

    118. er

      I explain something in like 10 posts and people are still just being willfully ignorant….just gotta let it go. Notice others have said the same thing here about Houston…..

    119. er

      I think Dotson and Frank N will have really good seasons. Dotson will be in the starting lineup by midseason.

      Knicks will eventually have a starting lineup of

      Frank
      Tim
      Dotson
      KP
      Willy.

      Youth movement

    120. ClashFan

      @146
      Thanks for adding me to the standard knee-jerk attack on anyone who dares criticize Melo!

      @147
      Reminds me more of vintage tone deaf reub.
      :-)

    121. ruruland

      Will be interesting to see how Knicks deploy KP against Melo tonight. I would imagine that’s where they would focus their attack, given the other quality defenders. Always interesting to see how two guys who’ve spent dozens of 1-on-1 hours turns out in a real game.

      KP’s length should pretty much force Melo to use 1st step.

      Pick and roll and both sides will be fascinating.

      Think Knicks will need huge game from Beasley, subs and Kanter to stay competitive, because it’s a particularly bad matchup across the board.

    122. ClashFan

      I can’t see the game being competitive. Maybe the Knicks can hang around for three quarters, maybe not. RW should feast.

    123. ruruland

      Harden had one of the most efficient passing seasons of the last 15 years, he’s a wonderful passer, but even if he wasn’t his prescence is huge benefit to teammates. More interested to see how new rule affects his drives and potentially his efficiency. Who doesn’t hate how he games refs with creating fouls.

      Paul is diminishing returns in regular season, but gives them a legit chance to take GSW beyond 5.

    124. er

      Thanks for adding me to the standard knee-jerk attack on anyone who dares criticize Melo

      I was being serious not attacking. Many people were saying that was the outcome they wanted. Idk man imma just stop posting.

    125. chrisk06811

      Re..Paul….I have no doubt he would be great at running Hou’s offense. But I’m not sure he’s going to get a chance to, besides the 15 mins a game that Harden is resting

    126. GoNyGoNyGo

      It’s a half hour or so before the Knick season kicks off so I think it’s time that I make my prediction for the season. Yeah, the injuries to Heyward and Lin do impact my prediction. I’m giving the Knicks 30 wins with a chance to win 25 or 35. That swing depends on whether they decide to sell out or foolishly try and make it into the playoffs. I can see them turning Some of the older assets (Lee, O’Quinn, Kanter or McDermott for example) into picks.

      But the East is a barren wasteland of talent. The Sixers intrigue me with Simmons, Fultz and Embid. If the stars align for them, they could make a jump. Washington and Boston are decent. But not too many teams are more than a scrub team compared to the Cavs. So the temptation for the Knicks brass might be to eek their way into the playoffs and try to acquire talent. Unless it’s for a young player that think will be a stud, there’s no way they should do it – which is why they might.

      So 30 wins, give or take 5.

      I’m going to put my deep desire to tank away for the next 6 months and try to enjoy the game and posting here.

      BTW, I’m obviously a devoted Knick fan. I’m also a Jet fan. But every day I wake up grateful that I’m a rabid, die-hard Yankee fan. Yankees in 6. I’m talking sbout the World Series :)

    127. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Why tho? This is what a lot of you wanted being melo to hate being in NY so he would accept a trade….

      It was said kind of tongue in cheek.

      I’m not a huge fan of the way Westbrook plays, but I’m a huge fan of pretty much everything else about him. I want him to win a ring and beat Durant only second to wanting to see the Knicks do it. Now that Melo is with him, I’m rooting for Melo to do well. But seriously, any professional athlete that’s making 10s of millions of dollars calling his job hell is a little much to swallow. I rode the NY subways every day before they were air conditioned to get to a job I absolutely hated with a passion just to make a decent living. I felt pretty lucky because I could pay my bills and had a little money left over at the end of the month. Phil Jackson could call me anything he wants for Melo’s income.

    128. er

      Yeah well that’s the theory of relativity though. Alot of bums would have loved to do what you did.

      Everything is relative in this world, I’m sure people much richer than melo think certain situations are “hell”

      But it’s all in the past after tonight

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