Knicks Morning News (2015.09.22)

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    24 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.09.22)”

    1. 7 days to camp. And yes…

      J-E-T-S Jets Jets JETS! Huge fan. I haven’t liked a roster as much as this one since the days of the Sack Exchange. I hope to feel that way about the Knicks roster one of these days soon.

    2. @Hubert – I’m scratching my head. Compare the P36 for Bargs and Gallo. Eerily similar except that Bargs has played more. One might even say Bargs was better. They are both what we hope Porzingis never becomes.

    3. One might even say Bargs was better

      How dare you.

      Gallo is a multi-faceted offensive tool with some severe limitations.

      Bargs is just a tool.

      I miss Gallo.

      But yeah, I hope Porzingis is much better.

    4. “One might even say Bargs was better.”
      I got crucified here for saying something similar two years ago –in retrospect rightfully so.

    5. I knew as I typed that line it would generate keystrokes.

      How about “I want neither Bargs nor Gallo on the Knicks” as a fair assessment. BTW, I am not the “one”. Neo is the “One”. And yeah, Bargnani’s intangibles make him much worse than Gallo. Gallo has been hurt a lot. Bargs made believe he was hurt a lot.

    6. Compare the P36 for Bargs and Gallo. Eerily similar except that Bargs has played more. One might even say Bargs was better.

      Even small potholes can kill you. Bargs has a career TS% of 53.2. Gallo is 57.4. Looks small, but isn’t small. This is like the difference between being 6′ 2″ and being 5′ 8″. Last year, the Dubs easily led the entire NBA with a TS% of 57.1. All of their other “four factors” on offense were average or well below average. Yet they were the 2nd best offensive team in the league with 111.6 pts/100. The Wizards had a league average TS% of 53.4 with their other offensive four factors almost identical to GSW. Yet they were 17th best offensively at only 103.7. That seemingly modest TS gap is the difference between being a below average NBA offense and being the second best offense in the entire league. It really, really matters.

    7. While Gallo is far better than Bargs I have to say I’m puzzled by the continued love for him on this board four years post trade. He’s not a particularly exciting player to watch unless you happen to love watching guys exaggerate contact in order to get to the line (and I find his flopping particularly egregious because unlike say Harden, he rarely even pretends to try to finish through contact.) He’s a decent man defender who’s pretty useless as a helper. Avoids the boards at an almost Bargs-ian level. Not much of a passer. And worst of all he sported a faux-hawk while he was here. Other than the fact that he used to be a Knick I can’t see anything really rootable about the guy. He’s been injured so much that he’s not even a good symbol for what might have been if the Carmelo deal had never happened. Wilson Chandler at least played hard at both ends- where’s the love for him?

    8. I think it’s fair to say that Gallo has been a disappointment compared to his projected ceiling. Turns out that he’s a tweener…not really a 3, not good enough on O or physical enough on D to be a true stretch 4. He’s clearly better than Bargnani, but suffers from some of the same issues….poor rebounder, not great around the rim at either end, etc. Bargnani is just a dumb player with gaping holes in his game on both ends, so unless he puts up a TS of 60% he’ll always be a detriment. Gallo is at least a solid offensive forward.

      Porzingis has advantages over both of these guys, starting with his incredible height and length. Even if he shoots like Bargnani, he can still be an effective 2-way player. If he can post a .57+ TS%, the sky’s the limit. Even with his sweet stroke and apparent work ethic, you just never know whether the work will carry over into games. Looking good so far, though, can’t wait until that first preseason game!

    9. Knicks are 28th in espn’s future power rankings. Somehow our future is even worse than it was last season.

      Does that surprise you? Our best player is coming off of knee surgery. Our free agency consisted of: Poor Man’s Tyson Chandler, a 30 year old mediocre shooting guard, a draft bust that’s done nothing in the 4 years he’s been in the league, and Kyle O’Quinn. Our lottery pick is a huge question mark who’s probably at least a year away from making real contributions on the court.

    10. That’s fair, vin. Another way of looking at it:

      Melo’s knee surgery was relatively minor (compared to, say, ACL or microfracture) and he was playing through the injury prior to surgery. His knee was bothering him for a long time and now he should be pain-free. He might also play less minutes, keeping him fresher on a night-to-night basis. He should pick up where he left off prior to injury…a top-3 scorer with a TS% of over .560.

      Lopez makes his teammates better in ways that are only measurable via advanced +/- stats. He’s actually at least as good as Tyson Chandler, and clearly better at certain things (rim protection, boxing out, for two.) Certainly not a “poor man’s” version of Hibbert’s B.

      Afflalo is better than mediocre, if healthy and not asked to do too much. Solid is a better word to describe him.

      There is no way to tell whether Porzingis will be a meaningful contributor, but would you bet against it, given what you know right at this second? I wouldn’t.

    11. Melo’s knee surgery was relatively minor (compared to, say, ACL or microfracture) and he was playing through the injury prior to surgery. His knee was bothering him for a long time and now he should be pain-free. He might also play less minutes, keeping him fresher on a night-to-night basis. He should pick up where he left off prior to injury…a top-3 scorer with a TS% of over .560.

      Knee surgery is still knee surgery. Was it as bad as and ACL? No. But still pretty bad. And he was playing pretty poorly last season before he went out with the surgery. He’s also 31 years old.

      Lopez makes his teammates better in ways that are only measurable via advanced +/- stats. He’s actually at least as good as Tyson Chandler, and clearly better at certain things (rim protection, boxing out, for two.) Certainly not a “poor man’s” version of Hibbert’s B.

      Which advanced stats are your referring to because here’s what I’m seeing. Last season, Lopez’s age 26 season and Tyson’s age 32 season.

      Defensive Win Shares: 1.9 for Lopez and 3.1 for Tyson

      Defensive Box Plus/Minus: 2.0 for Lopez and 2.3 for Tyson

      Defensive Rating: 104 for Lopez and 103 for Tyson

      Offensive Rebound%: 12.7% for Lopez and 14.1% for Tyson

      Defensive Rebound%: 13.1% for Lopez and 27.4% for Tyson

      Total Rebound%: 12.9% for Lopez and 20.7% for Tyson

      Block%: 3.7% for Lopez and 3.2% for Tyson

      On/Off Stats Team:

      Lopez: ORB% +0.02%, DRB% +0.02%, TRB% +1.7%, BLK% -0.1%.
      Tyson: ORB% +1.7%, DRB%: +3.5%, TRB%: +3%, BLK% -1.1%

      On/Off Stats Opponent:

      Lopez: eFG%: +0.04%, ORtg: +0.9
      Tyson: eFG%: -3.5%, ORtg: -3.3

      The only thing Lopez is better at is shot blocking but Tyson’s still a better defensive player overall. Tyson’s a much better rebounder personally and his team is better at rebounding when he’s on the floor. And I didn’t even bring up Tyson’s offensive numbers all of which are better than Lopez’s. Tyson is…

    12. Afflalo is better than mediocre, if healthy and not asked to do too much. Solid is a better word to describe him.

      He is? Based on what? He’s 30 years old and has been on a downward trajectory for the last 3 seasons. And he was brutally awful last year in Portland.

      There is no way to tell whether Porzingis will be a meaningful contributor, but would you bet against it, given what you know right at this second? I wouldn’t.

      What exactly do we know right now? His Euro League numbers are nothing special. He played ok in Summer League but nothing special. And that’s in Summer League where the competition is terrible. To me, he looks like a taller Channing Frye.

    13. I have to say I’m puzzled by the continued love for him on this board four years post trade.

      There is always a certain affinity for a player drafted by your team that you watch develop. This, of course, is a treat we have been consistently denied as Knicks fans. Despite constantly being one of the worst teams in the league, Gallo was the only lottery player we had this century who we got to see develop into a real player.

      And notice that I said “I miss Gallo”, not “Gallo was the answer”.

      He’s just a player I liked. And he’s half decent.

      Other than the fact that he used to be a Knick I can’t see anything really rootable about the guy.

      I liked the way the MSG announcer said his name after big 3’s.

      And worst of all he sported a faux-hawk while he was here.

      Extremely valid point. In his defense, he was very young and it didn’t last long. We’ve all been stupid with our hair. I had a circle beard in 1997. It wasn’t pretty.

    14. There is no way to tell whether Porzingis will be a meaningful contributor, but would you bet against it, given what you know right at this second? I wouldn’t.

      Next season? Sure, I’d bet against that. He’s 20.

    15. What exactly do we know right now? His Euro League numbers are nothing special. He played ok in Summer League but nothing special. And that’s in Summer League where the competition is terrible. To me, he looks like a taller Channing Frye.

      Maybe a bit harsh (the Frye comparison), but I tend to agree with you. I guess a lot of fans (including me) just want to see the Knicks succeed and will grossly overestimate our chances/skills while minimizing our opponents’.

      My estimate for the season is about 30 wins – if Carmelo returns in decent shape and is not the (usual for his age) victim of a “re-aggravated injury”. No playoffs and a sharp decline of the trust placed on Phil.

    16. Zinger up to this point, yeah, he’s basically a Channing Frye type. That’s fair. However, Zinger is currently adding muscle. Channing Frye with muscles is a great, great player. So if Zinger can do that (and he certainly appears that he’s on his way to doing that, but it is obviously waaaaay too soon to tell), then he’ll be great. In other words, I don’t think his past results speak that much about Zinger, considering he’s in the midst of a body transformation that will hopefully similarly transform his game. He’s still only 20 years old. Frye came into the league at age 22, so what you got with Frye was more like what you were going to get with Frye. That isn’t necessarily the case for Zinger. It may turn out to be that way, in which case, Frye is still a good ballplayer making plenty of money in his age 32 season, so the worst case scenario isn’t all that bad, but the upside is way higher for Zinger.

    17. To me, he looks like a taller Channing Frye.

      But he’s soooo much longer than Frye that he’s really not that much like Frye. He has a chance to be seriously disruptive on the defensive end right away. Yeah, he’ll probably give a lot of that back because of his lack of strength defending the post but he’s going to change far more shots than Frye ever could. And it’s not like he spent summer league drifting around the perimeter jacking up threes- he spent most of his time in the mid-post and drew a bunch of fouls- not much like Frye at all.

    18. There is a huge unquantifiable factor that argues in Zinger’s favor…. the “want to” factor. Zinger seems to have that in abundance.

      He knew from a young age he wanted to be an NBA player, so besides honing his BB skills, he made sure to learn English perfectly, no small feat. He seems enamored the practice facilities are available 24/7 and seems to utilize them. Jackson made a not so subtle hint hitting the weights was paramount and he seems to be doing that. He seems to be driven to excel and in the NBA…. that’s huge.

      There are truck loads of talented guys in the NBA and some guys work exceptionally hard to get better and others slide by on their God given gifts.

      Patrick Ewing came into the NBA as the next Bill Russell with a limited offensive game. He worked tirelessly to transform himself into a great offensive player the first half dozen years of his career.

      Is there much difference in pure athleticism between Michael Jordan and JR Smith? Jordan was cut from his HS team and worked relentlessly to become the best while JR was a huge AAU talent who never put his nose to the grindstone and slid by on raw ability.

      I think what we have seen of Zinger’s seriousness about the game argues eloquently he will succeed big time. He has a crazy set of physical tools.

      I am actually surprised Phil hasn’t hooked him up with Jabbar to teach him the sky hook.

    19. Other than the fact that they’re both tall and thin, I don’t think that Porzingis and Frye are very similar at all. However, Frye was pretty effective his rookie year — 18 points and almost 9 rebounds/36 minutes with better than average efficiency. I think that most of us would be pretty satisfied if Zinger matched Frye’s rookie production. The problem with Frye is that he never improved much after his first year.

    20. I think that most of us would be pretty satisfied if Zinger matched Frye’s rookie production. The problem with Frye is that he never improved much after his first year.

      Yeah, exactly. Frye at 22 was pretty much Frye. I don’t think Zinger at 20 will be Zinger at 22-onward, which is why Zinger is such a better prospect.

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