Knicks Morning News (2017.05.05)

  • [NYDN] What Tony Parker injury means for Spurs, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose
    (Thursday, May 04, 2017 8:59:12 PM)

    Tony Parker’s injury is absolutely devastating to the San Antonio Spurs in the short term.

  • [NYPost] How Carmelo could become part of a revamped Clippers Big 4
    (Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:57:11 PM)

    Clippers coach Doc Rivers still believes in his core group, but admitted he is tired of just being in the playoff party. Carmelo Anthony is tired of being on the outside looking in. In parting comments Wednesday, Rivers sounded like he was leaning toward not breaking up the Clippers after their seven-game, first-round ouster by…

  • [NYTimes] Spurs’ Tony Parker to Miss Rest of Playoffs With Leg Injury
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 5:48:26 AM)

    The team announced that its starting point guard ruptured the quadriceps tendon in his left leg in Wednesday night’s game.

  • [NYTimes] Wizards 116, Celtics 89: Eight Technical Fouls and Three Ejections in Wizards’ Rout of Celtics
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 3:47:37 AM)

    The Wizards had a 22-0 run in the first quarter of the contentious Game 3.

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    48 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.05)”

    1. That Berman article linked above drives me absolutely nuts. What in the world do we want JJ Redick for? In what world is he what we want or need? We already have a 32 year old shooting guard. And this is nothing about Redick – he’s a good player. The only thing I’d want Redick for is to move him elsewhere for picks or young players or both. I think I wrote on some other thread that I might target New Orleans as a destination for either Courtney Lee or Redick in this scenario (ie. an over-cap team that has pressure to win now and needs shooters). Other teams might be Milwaukee, OKC, Washington, Memphis.

      I will say this, though – I am not sure why Redick would EVER agree to a S&T unless it brings him a lot more money, which immediately means we’re overpaying him.

    2. Some possibilities:

      1) 3 way between NYK/LAC/OKC
      *Knicks get – Austin Rivers, Brice Johnson, Wesley Johnson, Alex Abrines, rights to whoever OKC drafts this year in the 1st round, LAC 2021 1st round pick

      *Clippers get – Carmelo Anthony

      *OKC gets – JJ Redick in S&T with salary starting around $15MM

      BYC makes Redick’s salary about 7.5MM for trade purposes, so this works in trade machine.

      2) 3-way between NYK/NOP/LAC
      *Knicks get – Austin Rivers, Brice Johnson, Wesley Johnson, Tim Frazier, Alex Ajinca, NOPs 2018 1st rounder top 10 protected, LAC 2021 1st round pick

      *Clippers get – Carmelo Anthony

      *MIL gets – JJ Redick in S&T with salary starting around $15MM

      3) 3-way between NYK, LAC, MIL
      *Knicks get – Austin Rivers, Brice Johnson, Wesley Johnson, Spencer Hawes (expires after 2017-18), MIL’s 2018 1st rounder top 5 protected, LAC 2021 1st round pick

      *Clippers get – Carmelo Anthony

      *MIL gets – JJ Redick in S&T with salary starting around $15MM

      4) 3-way between NYK/LAC/WAS
      *Knicks get – Austin Rivers, Brice Johnson, Wesley Johnson, Jason Smith, Tomas Satoransky, WAS’s 2018 1st rounder unprotected, LAC 2021 1st round pick

      *Clippers get – Carmelo Anthony

      *WAS gets – JJ Redick in S&T with salary starting around $15MM

      You get the idea – we get 2 first round picks, Austin Rivers, Brice Johnson, and filler
      Clips get Melo
      3rd team (over the cap so can’t get Redick as a FA otherwise) gets Redick for their 2018 1st round pick

    3. Don’t be surprised when we trade Melo and Courtney for a load of space just to get George Hill and JJ Reddck.

    4. JJ Redick could easily be worth a 1st round pick to a team that doesn’t have cap space and needs to win now.

      And getting a 1st rounder in 2021 isn’t too much to ask, I don’t think?

    5. ‘Melo is a liability, given his salary, not an asset. A team who takes his salary for the next two years deserves a reward, not to lose picks.

    6. @6 – I think if you go into a negotiation with that mindset, then of course you’ll get hosed in a trade.

      From the Clips perspective, Ballmer doesn’t care about luxury tax. They’re over cap anyway so it’s not like taking a smaller deal than Melo’s will open up any other avenues for them. Melo’s deal is only for at most 2 years. In that sense, he is almost certainly the best player they can get this offseason to run it back again with CP3/DJ/Blake. Their alternatives are not very good, period. Either tear it down and try and rebuild (with very few draft picks), or go all in with this crew for the next 4 years. At worst they’ll be a playoff team that spends way too much money for 2nd round exits. But again, the luxury tax is a rounding error for Ballmer’s pocket change. He’s worth $30 BILLION DOLLARS.

      Berman’s article made some good points about the coaching staff of the Clips being supportive of Melo. And honestly – I think Melo would play a lot better for them. No pressure in being the leader of the locker room. Playing with one of his best friends, who will get him the ball where and when he needs it. Lots of scoring options around him so he doesn’t have to carry the whole offense. You can easily see how Doc could talk himself into this.

    7. JJ Redick could easily be worth a 1st round pick to a team that doesn’t have cap space and needs to win now.

      Maybe.

      getting a 1st rounder in 2021 isn’t too much to ask

      Sure it is. They know they’d probably suck 3-4 years from now.

    8. The Clippers won’t be bidding against anyone at all and won’t have to bend over backwards to make the Knicks accept a deal.

    9. The Clippers won’t be bidding against anyone at all and won’t have to bend over backwards to make the Knicks accept a deal.

      That’s the fallacy. The Clips know their team as constructed is not good enough. They’re negotiating against their window closing as much as they’re negotiating against the Knicks. If they don’t step up, then they don’t get Melo, and they continue having 1st round exits. or worse, they don’t get Melo, and CP3 and/or Blake decides to leave – and without CP3 and Blake, that team is a capped out / no draft picks / fighting for 8th seed mess even if they can sign some FAs with the leftover cap space.

      This is a very different situation than when we were negotiating with Denver to get Melo back in 2010. In that case, Denver TRULY had zero negotiating leverage since Melo could just leave in FA and come to the Knicks anyway. It was only because of Melo’s unbelievably stupid Nets dalliance that Denver could get leverage.

      In this case, if the Knicks don’t like the deal, they just don’t deal. Melo doesn’t go anywhere, and the Clips have no other real options to get better other than signing someone to either a mini-MLE or full MLE (and subjecting themselves again to a hard cap).

      @9 – That 2021 draft pick is probably irrelevant to Doc. He’ll be long gone by then.

    10. Yeah, no thanks to overpriced Reddick. This is all so dumb. Just keep Melo unless someone blows you away with 2 1st rounders and major cap relief or something like that (which won’t happen).

      Listen, Phil and Melo are grown ass men. Nothing so terrible was said, and it’s not like they’ve even remotely tried all the options.

      Put Melo at the 4. Get him to work on his three-point shooting this summer. Bring in new players and get rid of the shitty ones. Rose is a terrible fit (and a bad player) don’t resign him!

      Making an awful trade for no reason is pretty low on the list of things to do next.

    11. @12 – You don’t think trading Melo for Rivers, Johnson, some salary filler, and 2 first round picks is a good deal?

      But yes, I do agree with you that keeping Melo should be a real option if there are zero trade possibilities that look appetizing. Even if next year’s terrible, he might just opt out, and then we don’t have to take on any bad contracts to get rid of him.

      It’s too bad there aren’t compensatory draft picks in basketball like there are in baseball and football.

    12. Making an awful trade for no reason is pretty low on the list of things to do next.

      Phil Jackson’s to do list, 2016 off season:

      1) Make awful trade for no reason

    13. That Berman article linked above drives me absolutely nuts. What in the world do we want JJ Redick for? In what world is he what we want or need?

      Berman is like practically everyone else in the media. He gets paid handsomely to cover a subject he knows less about than millions of other people. You can’t let this stuff bother you or you WILL go nuts. What we have to worry about is what Phil thinks. That’s worrisome enough. :-)

      If you want to feel a little better about it, think about it this way. Let’s assume we wind up with Reddick. Reddick becomes another scorer to go along with KP and we can move Courtney Lee for a young piece. So we still have a 32 yo SG, but with a different skill set.

      But yeah, the Clippers have absolutely nothing I want and I hope Phil is smart enough to see that Reddick is not an answer to anything long or short term.

    14. But yes, I do agree with you that keeping Melo should be a real option if there are zero trade possibilities that look appetizing. Even if next year’s terrible, he might just opt out, and then we don’t have to take on any bad contracts to get rid of him.

      Exactly!

      As much as I want to move on from Melo it makes no sense to take on bad contracts that we won’t be able to move later for players and assets we DO want.

    15. Don’t be surprised when we trade Melo and Courtney for a load of space just to get George Hill and JJ Reddck.

      I brought up George Hill quite awhile back. I like him a lot. The problem is that he has no reason to want to come to NY given that he’s already on a very good young team with a lot of upside that’s probably 2 years ahead of us in their development.

    16. ‘Making an awful trade for no reason is pretty low on the list of things to do next.’

      Phil Jackson’s to do list, 2016 off season:

      1) Make awful trade for no reason

      I laughed out loud.

    17. Don’t be surprised when we trade Melo and Courtney for a load of space just to get George Hill and JJ Reddck.

      Hey, you can sign me up right now for Hill, Reddick, Isaac, KP, Willy, Holliday, O’Quinn, Baker, Ndour, and Jordan Bell/Dillon Brooks/Thornwell

    18. man, just picked me up some of them sweet wet z02’s…damn i’m gonna be the envy of all dem fools in the warehouse…

    19. man, just picked me up some of them sweet wet z02’s…damn i’m gonna be the envy of all dem fools in the warehouse…

      Lavar Ball: Basketball’s answer to Trump.

    20. Hill, Reddick, Isaac, KP, Willy, Holliday, O’Quinn, Baker, Ndour, and Jordan Bell/Dillon Brooks/Thornwell

      why?

    21. The Berman article just cites the opinion of some league executives as to what would constitute a good deal for the Knicks for Melo. All it tells me is those execs should probably never get a job leading an NBA front office.

    22. Would you trade KP for Ben Simmons?

      Yes.

      KP for the #2 pick, Tyler Ulis, and Maquese Chriss?

      For sure.

    23. I’d take any of those three trades the suns folks propose. That’s the way to catapult a stagnant rebuild into a future chip. Grab a bunch of 19 year olds, plant them, water them, and let them grow up together in a safe, sane system (as the bad contracts come off the books).

    24. Yeah I’d pass on those trades.
      Ben Simmons hasn’t played a minute in the NBA, and has kevin mentioned, has already had foot problems. Let me think of some other 7 footers that broke their foot and then were really healthy and good after that, especially playing the game of guard essentially – that’d be zero. Brook Lopez and maybe Ilgauskas? but both of them lost multiple seasons to feet, and they’re both plodding types. I guess KD? But Simmons weighs about 100 lbs more than KD.

      Marquese Chriss is not good. Tyler Ulis is not good. And the #2 pick is probably either Lonzo Ball and his crazy father or Josh Jackson. Would I trade KP for Josh Jackson and 2 guys that are not good? Lonzo Ball? I dunno. Probably not.

    25. I’m also a no on both of those trades because at some point we’re going to have to keep a rookie beyond his rookie deal.

    26. I’m also a no on both of those trades because at some point we’re going to have to keep a rookie beyond his rookie deal.

      That’s irrelevant because in the past the Knicks have traded their kids for expensive vets in the “win now” mode. Trading one kid for 3 kids is very different, especially when coupling with a 4th kid from your own draft pick.

      And Marquis Chriss is not “not good”. He played a lot of minutes after the all-star break, improved his production a lot, and had some huge games as a 19 year old.

      If you guys don’t like those Suns trade proposals, you’ve either got your unicorn-goggles stuck to tight to your face, or you’ve learned nothing from the time you’ve wasted reading about the Knicks here.

    27. Since Donnie Walsh made the single most destructive trade since Eddy Curry, I’ll pass for now. No matter, neither trade has a chance in hell of happening.

    28. Regarding JJ Redick, did anyone actually watch the Clippers v Jazz series? Utah bottled him up pretty well in most of the games and he was just getting abused on defense (not to mention he’s 32 years old). A very big No Thank You!

    29. KP for Lonzo Ball and another pick? I’d think about it. KP for Lonzo and two garbage players? Nah.

    30. At least the #2 pick would be on rookie-scale for 4 years. Porzingis way too close to getting a max for being a tall guy with a nice-looking jump shot.

      It’d basically be a do-over, and I’m cool with that.

    31. I don’t know. Giving young guys max contracts on their RFA deals usually works out, even if they look like overpays intially. KP is going to improve from ages 24-28.

    32. If KP doesn’t make a significant jump next year, he may still become a very good player, but I think we can safely write him off a real superstar prospect.

    33. I really hope Lonzo Ball is a complete bust (unless he plays for the Knicks that is).

    34. I hope Lonzo is great–his game is so fun to watch

      he seems like a perfectly alright guy despite his father being absolutely intolerable

    35. I guess hoping he’s a complete bust might be a little harsh- I’ll settle for him struggling enough that he doesn’t make the all-rookie team.

    36. I don’t like Marquis Chriss, but it is fair to say that his last month of the season was a whole lost better than the rest of his rookie season, and if you give that greater weight than his first few months, then I could see liking him. But in general, I don’t think the other two pieces are enough to move KP for Ball. Ball and, say, the Heat draft pick that the Suns get the next year? I’d do that.

    37. KP, at 21, is on track to be a very good 2 way starter with a ceiling of a 6-7 times all star. He also has leadership qualities. I do not trade that for a non-generational player who could be a bust (like any other rookie) and a pile of mediocracy.

    38. Lonzo Ball could easily be a generational player. Easily. He could flame out, as well, of course (or get injured), but the odds are higher that he’ll be a star. He probably has better odds of being a generational talent than Porzingis does, and Porzingis is awesome. That said, I didn’t know that the Heat pick was protected Top 7 next year. In that case, I’d just as soon not do that move then. Ball and a late lottery 2017 pick is probably not enough for Porzingis.

    39. Of course, the Knicks are not actually going to trade Porzingis, which I’m totally fine with, as well.

    40. could easily be

      Sure. But he’s not one of those whom you *know* would get there. Duncan, Shaq, LeBron. For these guys you trade anyone on your roster. Ball is not at that level.

    41. But those types of players you wouldn’t be able to get by trading Porzingis.

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