Knicks Morning News (2017.05.06)

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Wizards vs. Celtics: Pushing, Shoving, and Occasional Basketball
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 1:10:26 PM)

    For one game, at least, the Wizards were able to match — and even exceed — the Celtics’ brand of physicality.

  • [NYTimes] At $495, Lonzo Ball’s ZO2 Sneakers Have Tastemakers Saying No Thanks
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 5:10:31 PM)

    The price tag for the least expensive model doesn’t go over well as the basketball star and his father try a different business model.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kristaps Porzingis skipped meeting results in trade calls to Knicks
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 7:50:06 PM)

    The Knicks received possible trade calls from teams around the NBA days after forward Kristaps Porzingis skipped his post-season exit meeting with President Phil Jackson and General Manager Steve Mills.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony for Redick and others ‘only deal’ that makes sense
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 9:45:56 AM)

    A deal involving Carmelo Anthony going to the Clippers would only make sense if the Knicks received J.J. Redick, Austin Rivers, and Wesley Johnson, according to league sources.

  • [NYDN] What Tony Parker injury means for Spurs, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose
    (Friday, May 05, 2017 7:33:44 AM)

    Tony Parker’s injury is absolutely devastating to the San Antonio Spurs in the short term.

  • 27 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.05.06)”

    I expect a push for a Rose S&T. His Bird Rights could prove invaluable, especially if at least 1 team is willing to overpay him beyond his other suitors’ cap space.

    Unlike the Melo situation, Phil’s played Rose’s well by publicly admiring his strengths abd expressing a desire to keep him, whether that’s actually true or not.

    Either way, growing size of the markets for both Melo and Rose are, I suspect, going to surprise many.

    For Rose, I’d ask for a player and a 1st. Melo’s probably will require a third team and should yield at least a player and 2 1st’s.

    Concerning Melo’s NTC, if Phil gets a good enough offer by a new team (neither Bos/Cle/LAC), that’ll get leaked to the press, where I expect that public pressure from fans and the media to drive Memo to consent. Because he’ll look like a jerk (again) if he persists, whereas his brand gets boosted if team(s) have to give up a king’s bounty for him AND he then thrives in his new locale.

    Really? What team would be dumb enough to give up assets to sign an unrestricted free agent who is limited on offense, putrid on defense, and with a gruesome injury history?

    Really? What team would be dumb enough to give up assets to sign an unrestricted free agent who is limited on offense, putrid on defense, and with a gruesome injury history?

    The Knicks?

    I would target a Dante Exum type player in a 3 team trade for Melo. Young, defensive minded, potential on offense. Not a star so he may be gettable.
    Sorry, I know I’m dreaming but aren’t we all, with these 2 1sts scenarios for our 32 year old? Or a 1st plus a player for Rose 🙂

    If the Sixers finish third and the Lakers finish 4th in the lottery, it turns out that the Sixers wind up with picks #3 and #4. Would you trade KP for those two picks, resulting in us having picks #3, 4 and 7 in this draft? Wouldn’t that be a great deal for both teams?

    If we made that deal and drafted Fox, Josh Jackson and Isaac, that would be quite a haul.

    Why would Philadelphia consider that trade for KP? He hasn’t shown enough to warrant giving up near that much and they have a glut of bigs already. If Phil gets anything for trading the corpse of Derrick Rose he should immediately be named GM of the year.

    It would be lovely if the Knicks could get anything of even slight value for Rose, but that seems very unlikely. Maybe if he’d finished the season healthy, I guess, but he did not. He hurt a knee AGAIN. He’ll get looked at by some teams as a scorer off the bench and signed with cap space.

    Who knows about Melo? Hopefully he really wants out and will not be too stingy on where he’s willing to go. Phil’s asshat strategy may actually pay off if that is the result.

    As for trading KP, one team that could make a run at him and get the Knicks to listen might be Sacto, depending upon where their two lottery picks end up being. If one of them sneaks into the top 5, an offer of both picks plus maybe a WCS would be tempting. I would also be very wary about trading KP to a team in the East, lest he develop into a superstar…

    I just don’t see Phil wanting to do a total teardown and rebuild in year 4.

    @2 That’s your opinion, bruh.
    Unless you’re a mindreader, your opinion is all you’re presenting.

    Fact is, at least one team is known to be interested in Rose because of what he does at an elite level: dibble-penetrate the lane and hit midrange jumpers. Even with the increased importance of the 3 pt shot, those are still desired skills for any team.

    I’m not convinced that Rose can’t add the 3 to his game. The man has demonstrated this as whatever he works on, he gets really good at. For whatever reason, he just simply
    chose not to work on his 3 this season. Despite that, he still shot 50% with corner 3’s this past season. Let’s see what happens when he does work on it.

    Come on man… you’re saying a guy this far into his career has got good at ‘anything he’s chosen to work on’ – but just hasn’t chosen to work on shooting, defense or passing? ‘I mean, I could’ve been perennial all-NBA but I decided not to be’.

    How about he only works at the things he knows he can do?

    For Rose, I’d ask for a player and a 1st. Melo’s probably will require a third team and should yield at least a player and 2 1st’s.

    Think about how ridiculous this valuation of Rose is, and then recall that the Knicks actually paid around that price for him. The Knicks are hilarious.

    I’m not convinced that Rose can’t add the 3 to his game. The man has demonstrated this as whatever he works on, he gets really good at.

    This is ridiculous. Derrick Rose has played over 16,000 minutes in his NBA career and he is good at exactly one thing: taking the ball to the hole. He is in fact one of the LEAST versatile players in the NBA. Betting on him adding a 3-point shot at this point of his career would be a pretty dumb bet.

    “I’m not convinced that Bargnani can’t add defense and some rebounding to his elite-potential stretch-5 game.” – dumb Knicks fans in 2013

    Continuing the discussion from yesterday’s thread, I still don’t think the 2nd pick and two rotation-level talents at best in Ulis and Chriss is enough for Porzingis. That’s not the result of me irrationally overvaluing Porzingis. On the contrary, I think a purely rational analysis would demonstrate that such a trade is a bad idea. If Porzingis can combine his scoring efficiency from this past season with the rebounding from his rookie season, I’m pretty sure he’d already be a better player than the expected return from the 2nd pick even with no further improvements. It’s not a given that he can actually do that, but it seems like a pretty reasonable expectation.

    If the Sixers finish third and the Lakers finish 4th in the lottery, it turns out that the Sixers wind up with picks #3 and #4. Would you trade KP for those two picks, resulting in us having picks #3, 4 and 7 in this draft? Wouldn’t that be a great deal for both teams?

    That would precisely be the only realistic type of deal that the Knicks should be considering for KP. Two high (or low, you know what I mean – the ones closest to #1) draft picks in good drafts.

    Otherwise, it just makes more sense to keep him. I do agree that only one really good pick isn’t worth it, because even if, say, Lonzo Ball, has really good odds of being a generational player, there is always doubt with draft picks, while KP has proven he is at least a good NBA player already. So that certainty would require more than just one high draft pick.

    Two high (or low, you know what I mean – the ones closest to #1) draft picks in good drafts.

    I’m not even sure I do that. The 3rd year is when he becomes a man.
    And I think the word you were looking for is “early”?

    So, Porzingis just tweeted “LA Clippers 🙂 🙂 :)” and deleted it…

    So, Porzingis just tweeted “LA Clippers 🙂 🙂 :)” and deleted it…

    I can’t even imagine what that means. It’s not even a good troll. lmao

    …and that someone grabbed his phone and typed that in.

    …or he’s applying for a job.

    Bon giorno from Venice, Italy. It sounds from here that KP needs a good kick in his ass from either his mother or from Phil. This is what Melo can do to people. Ciao.

    Plausible paranoid scenario: KP, at Melo”s behest, is part of Melo”s power play to be traded to the same ream. Melo and KP for Blake, a shit ton of picks and cap garbage. Imho, the Knocks cannot give up on KP just yet. I understand the thought process to tear down again and collect as many picks as possible. That is in compensation of years of mismanagement and teardowns in pursuit of the golden fleece of Lebron, then Melo, etc, resultung in a b team bereft of assets and 7 FO’s thus year. KP is actually one of the few successful Nix picks in history. Build on that.Imo trade Melo, KO and whatever else you can for picks and build around KP.

    This Melo/KP to the paper clips fantasy only works if Boston wants Griffin for BOTH Nyet picks with the Clips throwing in unprotected picks 5+ years out.

    @26: Bob, I’m not advocating this deal-I’m fearful that Phil will overpay to dump Melo, including KP in a bad deal.

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