Knicks Morning News (2016.08.03)

  • [ESPN] Team USA’s Carmelo Anthony apologizes to Vanessa Carlton
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:04:37 AM)

    Team USA’s Carmelo Anthony apologizes to Vanessa Carlton

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks sign J.P. Tokoto, former North Carolina guard
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:28:00 AM)

    The Knicks signed former University of North Carolina guard J.P. Tokoto Tuesday.

  • [NYTimes] NBA 2K Videogame Maker Wins Dismissal of Big Tattoo Damages Claim
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 7:51:30 PM)

    The maker of the popular NBA 2K video game series on Tuesday won the dismissal of a potentially large damages claim in a lawsuit over its depiction of tattoos belonging to LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and other National Basketball Association stars.

  • [NYTimes] LeBron Tells SI He’s Motivated by ‘Ghost’ of Michael Jordan
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:00:47 PM)

    LeBron James has often avoided talking about trying to match Michael Jordan’s accomplishments. Now he’s chasing “the ghost” of arguably the greatest player in NBA history.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ newest camp invite: UNC project who can jump out of gym
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 6:56:22 AM)

    The Knicks have signed J.P. Tokoto after the former UNC standout averaged double-digit scoring for their summer league team. The terms of the deal were not immediately released. Tokoto played with the Thunder’s D-League affiliate last season after being taken with the third-to-last pick by the 76ers in the 2015 draft. He averaged 11.1 points,…

  • [SNY Knicks] TKB Q&A:Guards, roster, pick-and-roll and more
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 3:48:02 PM)

    With training camp right around the corner and the Knicks beginning to add players to vet camp, having signed Ron Baker and J.P. Tokoto to partial guarantees, fans are clamoring for answers heading into camp.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks sign guard J.P. Tokoto
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:54:55 AM)

    The Knicks have signed guard J.P. Tokoto to what is expected to be a partially guaranteed training camp deal

  • [NYDN] Ex-Knicks D-League star Jimmer Fredette signs with team in China
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 6:26:11 PM)

    Local product and Knicks D-League legend Jimmer Fredette is signing with a team in China, according to a report.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony actually likes Vanessa Carlton, so why so grumpy?
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 4:18:34 PM)

    How did you know? Carmelo Anthony loves this song!

  • [NYDN] Knicks, Nets to face off in preseason at Barclays for first time
    (Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:47:40 AM)

    For the first time in the history of Barclays Center, the Knicks will play a preseason game at the arena just five miles from its own.

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    79 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.08.03)”

    1. It’s hard to hit on other players’s wives when you’re no longer playing or coaching….

    2. If the Kings care at all about cementing their burgeoning franchise legacy they will sign him ASAP. The only thing better than 5 on 4 is 5 on 3 with someone getting choked out near the scorers table.

    3. Well, our long nightmare is over. Looks like Chasson Randle is coming to camp, per Isola.

    4. Chasson and Ron both signed to partially guaranteed contracts, which seems to be how the Knicks game the system and ensure that players will go play for their DLeague affiliate even though they’re not on the 15-man roster.

      My hope is that Willy shows enough in training camp that we can cut Plumlee the Third and have both Ron and Randle on the main roster. We need as many guards available at all times as we can get, and it seems like both of them have skills that Hornacek can work with.

    5. Oh I’m gonna smash that mf under button

      I am gonna be rich

    6. Good news on the Randle front. It looks like we have a lot of kids lined up behind the core starters.

      Tokoto, Randle, Baker, WillyH, Kuz, Ndour, Plumlee – lots to chose from. That’s a solid D-Team lineup.

    7. Oh I’m gonna smash that mf under button

      I am gonna be rich

      Yeah, you really can’t lose – if you hit the under, you make money, and if you don’t, you’ll be a really happy Knicks fan, right?

    8. I think if Rose stays on the floor and Noah doesn’t, we are looking at a possible 25-win team. It’s a very exciting time to be a gambler.

    9. Weirdly, the Bulls are tied for 4th. Vegas seems higher on the Bulls than I would have guessed. Is it the Wade signing?

      That’s not how they draw up the odds. The odds they draw up are based on what they perceive the public’s perception of the team to be, so in this case that the odds are that high are likely based on their belief that the public will see the names Rondo and Wade next to Butler and think they’re being undervalued. My feeling is they’re overestimating the stupidity of fans based on what the reaction initially was on Wade going to Chicago.

    10. Let us know when you actually place the bet Jowles since you’ve been claiming yourself on the verge of doing this for like 4 straight years now.

    11. @7

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Holiday were on the chopping block. Phil seems to like loading up the roster with bigs.

    12. Yes! Randle, Baker, NDour and Willy are 4 young
      talents worth developing. Thanks, Phil!

    13. I think that Holiday is a sure thing to be on the opening day 15-player roster. The following 10 are locks:
      Melo, KP, Rose, Lee, Noah, BJ, Lance, WH, KM, Holiday

      KOQ will be there unless he’s traded.
      Sasha is likely to be there

      Seems like Baker, Chasson, Plumlee, Tokoto and Ndour are going to fight it out for the last 3 roster spots. My guess is that Ndour, Baker and Randle make the team, and that Plumlee only makes the team if either someone gets hurt or they trade KOQ. Plumlee seems like a dime-a-dozen end-of-bench D-league big, like that guy Jordan Bachynski. Tokoto seems like the generic jump-outta-the-gym athlete that can’t shoot or dribble (Thanasis 2.0?).

    14. Let us know when you actually place the bet Jowles since you’ve been claiming yourself on the verge of doing this for like 4 straight years now.

      Actually, no. I haven’t been on the verge of doing it for 4 years. I failed to make a bet in 2013-14 when the Knicks O/U was 48.5 and they had a clearly awful team, made even worse when Chandler got injured.

      The last few years have had more question marks and projected much closer to the O/U (40.5 and 31.5). Of course, in 2014-15 the Knicks blew up their team 20-some games in (Shumpert and JR trade) and then waived Dalembert, while losing Anthony for much of the season. (Even though I think Carmelo is overrated, having him on the floor is better than not, and his salary ensures that the Knicks have virtually no depth outside of vet min players and UFA pickups.) 2015-16 cleared their O/U by a single win!

      As I’ve said, if Rose gets injured, Noah stays healthy, and Porzingis turns into even an above-average player, this team projects well. If Rose plays 2000 minutes, Noah misses even 1/3 of the season, and Porzingis doesn’t make the leap yet (although I do think he could be a superstar in a couple seasons), this team could be a 20-win team. 43 wins seems impossible, given how many players are often-injured and unproductive.

      I absolutely will not place that bet until just before the season starts, but it’s looking real strong on the under, just like it did in 2013-14, when Bargnani became our #2 scorer.

    15. Weirdly, the Bulls are tied for 4th. Vegas seems higher on the Bulls than I would have guessed. Is it the Wade signing?

      Yeah, that’s the problem with odds. They’re based on the public being kind of dumb about stuff. “Oh man, Dwyane Wade!”

    16. Wait, Jowles thinks any line in Vegas is static?

      Also, oddsmakers are doing a lot more than trying to gauge public perception.

      Man, imagine if gambling was as simple as beating the public.

      Honestly, they want you trying to find the squares.

    17. The only way to profit on sports gambling is to do your own handicapping and then finding the book where there’s the greatest discrepancy between your number and the book’s number.
      If your model/analysis had the Knicks well below 43 before the futures came out, then don’t wait for Christ sake.

    18. “I think if Rose stays on the floor and Noah doesn’t, we are looking at a possible 25-win team. It’s a very exciting time to be a gambler.”

      Tell us how you really feel. How about a little optimism once in a while, it is supposed to be a Knicks Fan Site after all.

    19. As I’ve said, if Rose gets injured, Noah stays healthy, and Porzingis turns into even an above-average player, this team projects well. If Rose plays 2000 minutes, Noah misses even 1/3 of the season, and Porzingis doesn’t make the leap yet (although I do think he could be a superstar in a couple seasons), this team could be a 20-win team. 43 wins seems impossible, given how many players are often-injured and unproductive.

      Like, honestly – does anyone actually disagree with this take? I’m just as much of a homer than the next guy, but this is all pretty straightforward stuff. Based on the actual data we have, Rose isn’t the player he used to be. Noah is injury prone. KP is exciting, but he hasn’t made the leap yet. Let’s hope for the best, plan for the worst

    20. Also, oddsmakers are doing a lot more than trying to gauge public perception.

      Oh sure, but public perception definitely plays a role.

    21. Right, but trying to “read” the public is where a lot of people get duped.

      And no, I don’t think 43 wins seems “impossible.”

      I think that’s absurd.

      What I do agree with is the wide variance or range of outcomes because of recent injuries.

      20 wins and 50+ wins are both well within the realm of possibility.

    22. -A Dream Within a Dream-

      I went to the zoo yesterday.
      There was a cage of a new animal.
      “Optimisticknicksfan” was written outside the animal’s cage.
      The zoo keeper was telling us that:
      “It’s an endangered specie.
      There are only 3 left in the world.
      It looks so blue even while eating an orange.”

      Next thing i remember was me inside this cage dreaming of my super team !

    23. 43 wins means pretty much everything worked out well, that’s why I wouldn’t touch it. 50 is possible, I suppose, but it’s very unlikely

    24. The stat mongers will fall in line once the numbers show that we’re a very good team. Well after the fact.

    25. We’ve got everything on this team. MVP, winning unselfish big man, perpetual All Star, Unicorn, unheralded starter who doesn’t need the ball, talented hungry bench with great depth, youth with upside at all positions, future draft picks, dynamic coach, and a sage of a GM. So lucky to be living in this new era of greatness.

    26. The shitty thing about this team is its being decent might come down to whether or not Rose gets injured…and not in the way that usually applies to a starting point guard.

    27. If you just think that we could have almost made it to the ECF with Melo/Amare/Chandler, Woodson,JR and 2 glorious grandpas why not make something good this year too ?
      Not exactly piece of cake but not a Hercules’ labor also.

    28. “eye talks, stats walks”

      For me the X-Factor for this season/[+Knicks Future] is KP.
      If KP play “the way” he played till his rookie season’s wall then this team is going up.
      Even if Rose play like shit, or don’t play at all.

      KP is the barometer of this team.

      If you watched his game early last season [his game, not his stats] you understand why he’s SPECIAL.
      He’s the one that going to lift us to the next level.
      Why ?
      Because he’s a “natural born difference maker”.

    29. Wait, Jowles thinks any line in Vegas is static?

      Haha, what? If I bet now and Rose ruptures an Achilles in practice (minor injury, only his Dr. knows how bad it actually is), the Knicks are closer to a winning season. If I bet now and Noah blows out his knee in practice (probably equally as likely as a Rose injury), the Knicks are closer to a losing season.

      I am simply not making a decision until the season is upon us. There’s risk in even the safest of future bets. I’d prefer to make a decision when the Knicks’ roster is finalized. I could bet now and the team could change dramatically in October. My wager is still evaluated by whatever happens up to May.

      Also, I am not an experienced gambler because I prefer to do things like having an emergency fund, saving toward retirement, owning my own house. I’m pretty good at doing the above; not so experienced at placing wagers, i.e. losing money to Vegas. Maybe there are a few of you out there who habitually game Vegas for their money (ayo Italian Stallion!) but probably literally few.

      Every few years, the Knicks get a bunch of name-first players and the line ends up way high. This year is one of those years. Don’t be mad, ruruland.

    30. “eye talks, stats walks”

      No offense, but this is one of the worst things ever posted on Knickerblogger. r/NBA needs you.

    31. Setting aside the nonsense, NYK is largely right, which shows you that Phil’s moves were kinda pointless. If KP blossoms into a star this year, this will be a decent/good team, even with some injuries. If he doesn’t, they’re not going to be that good. The same thing was true 3 months ago.

    32. @38
      com’on man !
      It’s a HOT HOT summer ! gimme a break !
      “exaggeration” always draws attention.
      Don’t hit my ‘marketing’ tools !

    33. Here’s the 50th percentile wins for next year according to CARMELO, which I don’t really understand, but whatever:

      Noah: 3.5
      Rose: 0.1 (lol)
      Carmelo: 4.9
      Jennings: 1.4
      Porzingis: 5.5 (pretty wide range of outcomes, given his age, height, lack of playing time and stats)
      Lee: 1.0
      Thomas: -1.0 (wow)
      O’Quinn: 1.3
      Vujacic: 0.1
      Holiday: 0.2

      17 wins. Now keep in mind that some of this has to do with a lack of playing time — CARMELO definitely penalizes players for not being able to stay on the floor — so if Noah plays more minutes, he will be worth more wins. Carmelo’s 90th percentile projection is around 9 wins, so again, it could be much higher.

      Their root-mean-square error was 7.6, which was better than Vegas’s 8.9. I’m not saying that the Knicks can’t be a 30-win team despite both WP48 and CARMELO calling out a ~20-25 win season, but 43? Seems like a stretch, unless the team gels and synergizes all over the court.

    34. If he doesn’t, they’re not going to be that good. The same thing was true 3 months ago.

      You realize they were going to sign long-term contracts this summer regardless of whether the Rose trade happened or not? Nothing changed about how Phil was going to build this team other than the names. Adding Noah, Lee, Rose and Jennings is about being more competitive ASAP just like keeping RoLo, having Calderon for another year, signing shooting guard X and unnamed backup PG would have been.

      The only difference is that the variance in our outcomes has increased, both in the best and worst case scenarios. I’m fine with that as long as we keep hold of our draft pick.

    35. I put more faith in virtually any other stat based model than CARMELO.

      Like, I’m not saying Lance Thomas is some amazing player, but a model that tells you he has negative value clearly has major kinks it needs to work out. This is the same model that projects Marcus Smart to turn into a superstar this season.

    36. I’m loving the whole “If Rose plays a lot, we’re gonna suck” meme. Man, is it gonna suck for some people here when he leads the Knicks to a 60 win season and wins Most Improved Player.

      Bet the over, guys. It’s a lock.

    37. Westbrook and OKC getting closer on a three-year extension, with player option for 2018-19.

      Prepare to cross one name off the list of potential DRose replacements next summer…

    38. It’s more than safe to say that TODAY the Knicks look as a 30-45 wins team.
      We don’t know what’s going to happen till the camp, till the preseason and finally till the season’s opener.[And of course till the end of the season !]
      Till that day we may look as a lottery team or as a strong contender.
      Chances to be GREAT ?
      Same as for Miami to find Whiteside.
      Chances to be shit ?
      Same as for CBosh to be hit by a deadly virus.
      Chances to be between 30-45 wins.
      The most.
      Will you exclude the chance to go great or shit this year tho ?
      Not me !
      I like to stay positive for 2 more months !

    39. Chances to be GREAT ?
      Same as for Miami to find Whiteside.
      Chances to be shit ?
      Same as for CBosh to be hit by a deadly virus.
      Chances to be between 30-45 wins.
      The most.

      Those chances were calculated accurately by eye-weighing !

    40. If everybody is more or less healthy and plays more or less in line with expectations, this team probably wins 30-something games. Relatively healthy plus more things going right than wrong (Rose manages to play like a league average point guard, Noah plays closer to peak level) and maybe the team gets up to that 43 win barrier.

      If Noah is banged up and/or ineffective and Rose plays the way he has post-ACL tear then the team probably wins 28-33 games.

    41. Westbrook and OKC getting closer on a three-year extension, with player option for 2018-19.

      Prepare to cross one name off the list of potential DRose replacements next summer…

      Personally I wouldn’t be super bummed if we missed on Russ. Great player, great to watch and makes any team significantly better. Big issue in my mind is that he has the kind of game that could deteriorate very quickly. Would prefer to go with a PG on a max that has the potential to age well if we aren’t going after a young gun. Then again, Russ could fool us all and play productive basketball until he’s 40!

    42. Lance has had a weird career. He was okay when he was younger, but he was a completely different player. Then he was out of the league, then he was back but not very good, and then he became (maybe) a good 3 point shooter out of nowhere. Projection systems tend to be conservative. It’s not crazy to think that Lance won’t be that good next year. He’s been an okay player for less than one season out of the last 3. If his 3 point shot wasn’t real he won’t be a productive player, and he’s taken only 132 3 point shots in his NBA career.

    43. @41, remember those 17 wins in the CARMELO system are meant to be wins above replacement, and the replacement team wins estimate from the designer of BPM (which is what CARMELO currently uses) is 17 wins, so it equate to a projection of ~34 wins.

    44. We won 34 last year-how do we stackup this year?

      C-Lopez v Noah

      Noah is likely to be a bit better, and has hit heights in his career that RoLo has never touched, but he’s got a long track record of getting hurt and is on the wrong side of 30.

      PF KP v KP- he’llalmost certainly be better, the question is by how much

      SF Melo v Melo- probably be a bit worse, but if he can recover his 3 he might be better

      SG- Afflalo v Lee- should be a solid 2-4 win upgrade. Lee is nothing special, but Afflalo was trash on D.

      SG- Rose v Calderon – should be a pretty big downgrade, but Rose has actually been a good NBA player and is fairly young.

      The bench is largely a crap shoot, B Jennings is probably the best PG on the roster and they have some decent wings and some interesting kids. Should be better by not having Kevin Seraphim and early stage Sasha

    45. 17 wins. Now keep in mind that some of this has to do with a lack of playing time — CARMELO definitely penalizes players for not being able to stay on the floor — so if Noah plays more minutes, he will be worth more wins. Carmelo’s 90th percentile projection is around 9 wins, so again, it could be much higher.

      That’s 17 wins above what a team full of replacement level players would generate, not 17 wins total. I don’t know how many wins a team of replacement level players would be expected to generate, but it’s not zero. The wins also have to be weighted byt he expected minute each player plays. The fact that everyone except Thomas is positive compared to a replacement player is actually pretty encouraging.
      But I agree there is a lot of variance, which makes no bet a sure thing.

    46. Wait, JK, did you just argue that if Noah plays near peak level and Rose is league average the Knicks might be a .500 team?

      Is that correct?

    47. Ruru, we had a league averagish PG and a good C last year and we won 34 games. Noah near peak is worth say 4-5 wins over RoLo last year. But there are loads of moving parts. How many games will Noah play? What about Melo? We don’t get 9 more wins just because Noah plays like he did 2 years ago

    48. I put more faith in virtually any other stat based model than CARMELO.

      Yeah, I don’t like CARMELO, either.

    49. Westbrook and OKC getting closer on a three-year extension, with player option for 2018-19.

      Prepare to cross one name off the list of potential DRose replacements next summer…

      What a gutsy move by Westbrook. I admire him for that. It might not be the smartest move, but I still admire him for it. It’s bad for the Knicks’ 2017-18 chances, though.

    50. I called 43 wins a month ago, and I’m holding to it.

      But I also said plus/minus 8, which is ridiculous variance, but reflects the weirdness of this team this year. Melo and KP and Lee are the only predictable elements. Almost nothing else – Noah’s health, Rose’s game, BJ, the Kuz, Hgomez, whether OaQ will play – is certain.

    51. Lance has had a weird career. He was okay when he was younger, but he was a completely different player. Then he was out of the league, then he was back but not very good, and then he became (maybe) a good 3 point shooter out of nowhere. Projection systems tend to be conservative. It’s not crazy to think that Lance won’t be that good next year. He’s been an okay player for less than one season out of the last 3. If his 3 point shot wasn’t real he won’t be a productive player, and he’s taken only 132 3 point shots in his NBA career.

      Hell, he had a weird last year, even. The guy doesn’t do anything but shoot threes and maybe play decent defense. I don’t even think he’s actually that good of a defender. I just think he gives a shit and is always active on defense, which makes him look better on D than he really is. He’s always moving. Which is good for him. I wish more players cared as much as he does. But the three ball was huge for him last year. It turned him from a waste of space to a decent guy to have on the court. And, like you said, it wasn’t until last season that it showed up out of nowhere (it wasn’t even there during training camp!). So, well, I guess we shall see. At the worst, I think he’s a guy who doesn’t actively hurt them, which is honestly more valuable than it may seem (this is all basically the stuff I wrote about Thomas for the roundtable we did for him that will possibly go up at some point in time).

    52. The plan has always been CP3, not Westbrook.

      They carved out enough cap space to sign a Westbrook max, not a CP3 max. So I don’t believe that to be the case. Not that they aren’t interested in CP3, as well, of course, but I don’t buy that “the plan has always been CP3, not Westbrook.”

    53. We had league average pg play based on box score metrics.

      In reality, we had well below league average pg play, all things considered.

      Calderon is a box score stud, but is pretty miserable when we start to expand the analytics, which confirms a lot of the obvious eye test issues with his defense and complete lack of penetration.

      Rose might be that bad, and if he’s as bad as last year, he could be worse.

      But he also has a chance to be much better, which would put him into the sphere of average or above average, which would be a substantial upgrade.

      Lopez is a very solid-good player, but box-score metrics like him more than on-off stats.

      Noah near peak is better than Lopez as a box-score player, but in my opinion, is significantly more impactful when you consider defense.

      His DPBM are on par with some of the greatest defenders of all-time. The Celtics went from 16th to 1st in defense after they acquired KG. Now, there are a few reasons other than KG that occurred, but I think we can agree much of the credit for the Celtics going from mediocre to historically excellent in off-season was due to KG’s ability to defend all parts of the floor.

      For a frame of reference, Noah’s career average DBPM is 4.1 compared to KG’s 3.3.

      Noah put up a 4.3 last year, which had he qualified would have been good for 3rd in the league.

      He’s finished in the top 3 in DBPM 4 of the last 5 years, and ranked 7th the other season.
      THAT IS INCREDIBLE.

      That is Mutumbo, Olajuwon, Duncan, Wallace territory.

      Peak Noah transforms a defense. And he’s never played alongside a rangy, pterodactyl at PF.

      It’s hard to saw what the overall impact of that switch could be, but I think it’s safe to assume a near-peak Noah provides more than 3-4 extra wins.

    54. Also, if by chance Noah is near-peak and Rose is league average AND KP has a sophomore breakout similar to the one Dirk had in his third year, that’s an elite ECF team, sorry.

      Who knows what the odds of that are.

    55. Ruru, you can’t come here talking on off stats for RoLo while ignoring them for Jose. Jose made our offense better and our defense worse. He probably was somewhere around neutral.

      Noah has been a fabulous defender most of his career, and he’s a remarkably good passer, but he’s one of the worst scoring big men you’ll ever see. Is it good for offensive synergy to have a player you don’t have to guard at all on the court? Does that help the spacing?

    56. Calderon was 24th in RPM last year, which to your credit, is better than I expected.
      He did have a negative BPM.

      But his .96 WS/48 and great WP are more indicative of average or slightly above than his on-off.

    57. Peak Noah was a good offensive player overall. He remained a net positive until the last two seasons.

      Lopez, while a good finisher, screener and decent offensive rebounder, has a career 0.0 OBPM and has a negative RPM the last three seasons.

      TO further bolster those numbers, he has a career -1.2 offensive +/-

    58. The stat mongers will fall in line once the numbers show that we’re a very good team. Well after the fact.

      Replace that last period with an exclamation mark and I’d be pretty sure that this post was cut-and-pasted straight from the Twitter account of a certain orange-tinted presidential candidate.

    59. I stand corrected, which makes a lot more sense. Still, it doesn’t look good.

    60. I remember a site that compared preseason projections of different webpages, etc. where Vegas was usually one of the best (if not the best) predictor, with John Hollinger the only guy that was better in some years (and WoW was usually a bit off).

      So even if Vegas is based on dumb people decisions (although betting people tend to think of themselves smarter than the rest of the world), the collective mind seems to get projections better than any individual.

    61. Jose made our offense better and our defense worse. He probably was somewhere around neutral.

      But since we were a lousy team a “somewhat around neutral” effect on the team means he was below average as a point guard compared to the league as a whole.

    62. On another topic, I have been listening to the two “Dunc’d On” podcasts grading the offseason moves of all the teams in the NBA. They graded the Knicks off-season roughly a D. I thought that was a little harsh. They did like some of the Knick’s moves, but they basically assumed that the Knicks had lowered their long term flexibility a lot because Rose would automatically be re-signed. They didn’t think that was worth what they considered a small upgrade in expected team performance this year. I don’t think it’s a good assumption that Rose will be automatically re-signed. If there is one thing Phil has shown so far as a GM is that if he doesn’t like the way the team is playing, he’s very willing to change players. It’s not a given the Rose will impress with the way he plays next season. And we did get rid of Calderon’s contract, which apparently meant we got a benefit equivalent to getting two second round draft picks. Also, although I haven’t listened to all of the grades, I’ve listened to may of them and I would say that at least half the teams in the league were C or worse. But still it’s true the Knicks did go for win now in this season rather doing the best possible to get youth and prospects.

    63. But still it’s true the Knicks did go for win now in this season rather doing the best possible to get youth and prospects.

      Yep. But hey, they might make the playoffs! That could be fun (it always reads sarcastic to me when I write that, but I’m not being sarcastic, honest!).

    64. Calderon wasn’t close to average. If he was the Bulls wouldn’t have needed to attach two 2nd round picks to clear space for Wade on a $7.7m expiring contract.

    65. Yeah, it’s not fair to jump from acquiring Rose to re-signing Rose to a max extension.

      Rose set in motion a chain of events: Noah, then Lee, then Jennings. So to truly judge the offseason, you have to consider the entire Rose-Noah-Lee-Jennings package as one entity. I think it’s fair to give it a C or D in terms of risk, but an A or B in terms of reasonable upside given the possibilities for building a contender during Melo’s contract and the recoverability in terms of worst-case scenario.

      And the filling of the bench beyond Jennings? That has to be an A, right (although I give him an A- because he didn’t spring for a 2nd round pick to draft Felder!)

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