Knicks Morning News (2016.08.04)

  • [NYDN] Derek Fisher responds to NBA comeback report, ‘open to dialogue’
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:49:49 PM)

    Failed coach Derek Fisher wants you to know he can still dribble and knock down pull-up jumpers.

  • [NYDN] Russell Westbrook reportedly agrees to new deal with Thunder
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:44:57 PM)

    Well, so much for the Knicks going after Russell Westbrook next season.

  • [NYDN] Can’t blame Derek Fisher for wanting to go back to playing
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:22:03 PM)

    Derek Fisher was infinitely more qualified to serve as the back-up point guard for the Knicks

  • [NYDN] Suspect in Knicks player shooting freed on $100G bail
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:24:01 PM)

    A member of the crew responsible for shooting New York Knicks player Cleanthony Early outside a Queens strip club was released from jail.

  • [NYDN] Knicks ink Chasson Randle to partially guaranteed contract
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:31:48 AM)

    Chasson Randle’s impressive play during the Orlando Summer League has earned him a free agent contract.

  • [NYPost] Man accused of shooting Cleanthony Early posts bond after 4 months
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 6:54:25 PM)

    A man charged in the robbery and shooting of Knicks forward Cleanthony Early was released Wednesday on a $100,000 bond after being locked up for four months — but not before getting a stern warning from a Brooklyn judge. Delvon Dowling (inset), 22, was more interested in his family in the gallery than on heeding…

  • [NYPost] How Phil Jackson left Knicks’ rookie Olympian speechless
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:17:05 PM)

    Knicks rookie center Willy Hernangomez left the Spanish Olympic team for a five-day visit to New York and Orlando in early July and was speechless. Before signing his first NBA contract last month, the 6-foot-11 Hernangomez was introduced to the Knicks president. “When I met him, I was very excited because it’s Phil Jackson,” Hernangomez…

  • [NYPost] Knicks sign summer-league star for point guard audition
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:53:28 AM)

    In trying to fill their need for a third point guard, the Knicks have agreed to terms on a partially guaranteed deal with summer-league sensation Chasson Randle, his agent Kevin Bradbury said Wednesday. “He’s still got to come in and earn it,” Bradbury told The Post. “He feels this is the place where he can…

  • [NYPost] Derek Fisher eyes playing return, and maybe there’d be one taker
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:24:47 AM)

    Anyone need a banished coach as a backup point guard? Former Knicks head coach Derek Fisher indicated he could come out of retirement when he posted an Instagram video of himself working out on the basketball court with the phrase: “Imnotdoneyet.” Fisher, fired by president Phil Jackson in February partly because of failing to communicate,…

  • [NYPost] Latrell Sprewell surfaces with Knicks regrets, Reggie Miller ‘hate’
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:29:02 AM)

    Latrell Sprewell has been mostly off the grid in recent years, but emerged in a live podcast with actor Michael Rapaport this week in his hometown of Milwaukee. The enigmatic ex-Knicks guard, now the owner of amazing blond dreadlocks, fondly remembered his time in New York during the 90-minute interview with the actor, who is a…

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks agree to partially guaranteed deal with Chasson Randle
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 10:19:33 PM)

    The Knicks have agreed to a partially guaranteed deal with PG Chasson Randle.

  • [SNY Knicks] Is Derek Fisher eyeing a return to the NBA — as a player?
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:43:11 PM)

    Former Knicks head coach Derek Fisher might be eyeing a return to the NBA … as a player

  • [SNY Knicks] How will a hungry Brandon Jennings benefit the Knicks?
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:39:13 AM)

    Brandon Jennings has showed his potential with 50-point games and 21-assists performances. Will he show that same drive with the New York Knicks despite a lesser role compared to previous teams?

  • [ESPN] Ex-Knick Metta World Peace: ‘I can still play’
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:00:32 PM)

    Ex-Knick Metta World Peace: ‘I can still play’

  • [ESPN] Sources: Ex-NYK coach Fisher eyes playing again
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 12:04:11 PM)

    Sources: Ex-NYK coach Fisher eyes playing again

  • [ESPN] The good, the bad, the ugly from the New York Knicks’ offseason
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:15:30 AM)

    The good, the bad, the ugly from the New York Knicks’ offseason

  • [NYTimes] Basketball : Winning Not Always Good as Gold for U.S
    (Thursday, August 04, 2016 12:54:27 AM)

    For every athlete who wins a gold medal at the Rio Olympics it will be a big deal. For the United States women’s basketball team the big deal will be if they do not.

  • [NYTimes] Venezuela Face Tall Order on Olympic Return
    (Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:33:28 PM)

    Venezuela’s basketball team will look up to the United States in more ways than one when they tip off against their heavily favoured rivals in their second game on Monday.

  • 73 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.08.04)”

    Westbrook has signed an extension, I see. Does this mean that the team will really lean on Rose staying healthy and re-signing?

    There are plenty of PGs on the FA market and quality prospects in the draft next summer. Idk why it’d ever have been a choice between Westbrook and maybe but probably not healthy Rose.

    The cap gymnastics required to sign Russ to a max would be slightly simpler than to sign CP3, who has played longer and is eligible to make more money.

    Z-man,

    Did you really give the Knicks a possible “A” this offseason? For trading for Derrick Rose? Are you high?

    Anyone that thinks we’re getting CP3 is out of their minds. And not for nothing, he’ll be 32 next year. To sign him would take a 5-year mega max deal – the same crime that everyone whines about Melo getting.

    Jowles, are YOU high? I’ll repost my comment:

    Yeah, it’s not fair to jump from acquiring Rose to re-signing Rose to a max extension.

    Rose set in motion a chain of events: Noah, then Lee, then Jennings. So to truly judge the offseason, you have to consider the entire Rose-Noah-Lee-Jennings package as one entity. I think it’s fair to give it a C or D in terms of risk, but an A or B in terms of reasonable upside given the possibilities for building a contender during Melo’s contract and the recoverability in terms of worst-case scenario.

    And the filling of the bench beyond Jennings? That has to be an A, right (although I give him an A- because he didn’t spring for a 2nd round pick to draft Felder!)

    You have always been incredibly risk-averse in your analysis, and dogmatic about linearity between past and future performance. It is an absolute joke that you are so rock-solid sure that if Rose plays 2000+ minutes, this team will struggle to win 25 games. But hey, you would have fucked up the most impactful decision facing this franchise since the Carmelo trade (which btw I criticized) by drafting WCS over Porzingis. And now I’m supposed to trust your judgment about Rose’s potential over Jackson’s?

    @6 and 8

    Melo and CP3 have long talked about playing together. CP3 at 32 is much more likely to sacrifice a bit of cash for a reasonable chance at a championship. If Melo stays Melo, Noah stays healthy, Lee stays competent, and KP makes the leap, it isn’t crazy for him to look at the Knicks and think it could happen…especially because it’s an easier ride to the Finals in the EC.

    Even if he did not leave some money on the table to come here, trading O’Quinn puts us close financially, depending on the cap.

    well we can’t give cp3 a 5yr deal.. max we can offer is 4…

    cp3 is a great player and players of his caliber don’t age like regular nba players… they usually end their careers closer to 40 than 35… and most ppl don’t realize that he’s not only a better scorer than stockton but he is a better shooter… so he has skills that he can always hang his hat on as his athleticism wanes… he’s also probably the smartest guy on the court in the nba….

    unless there are serious health issues i’d feel entirely comfortable giving him the years and the money….

    unless there are serious health issues i’d feel entirely comfortable giving him the years and the money….

    Yeah, I agree

    I could get behind maxing Chris Paul if he plays this year like he did last year. That’s a decent gamble.

    CP3 at 32 is much more likely to sacrifice a bit of cash for a reasonable chance at a championship. If Melo stays Melo, Noah stays healthy, Lee stays competent, and KP makes the leap,

    Piling up the ifs.

    Piling up the ifs.

    Is what we do. It is the internet and these are the Knicks the reality of the last 15 years has been enough to get them banned from national TV.

    I do like how quickly the potential targets can change from Westbrook or CP3 to we never wanted Westbrook CP3 all the way. Just months after Durant went into “never really an option territory.”

    I hope KP develops and one or two of the rookies develop into honest to goodness NBA rotation players. And one day I envision a team that doesn’t have to rely on the castoffs, and hand me downs and pipedreams of AAA free agents coming to the Mecca etc.

    The best thing about Chris Paul is that he takes the ball out of Melo’s hand. CP3 means more pick and roll and more catch and shoot for Melo. It also means that Lee, Melo, Porzingis, and Noah played well enough for the Knicks to be an attractive destination for CP3.

    I’ve always thought that Melo would be a completely different player in all aspects if he played with a Chris Paul type player. No doubt they would do really well together. Like, Melo could’ve been OlympicsMelo all the time, top 5 player. But that’s 5 years ago. My concern is he will be 32, Carmelo 33 next off-season. What kind of ‘run’ would that even mean?

    i think we have a somewhat decent chance at cp3…. there’s really only one competitor for his services if he decides to leave LA and that’s boston and i think they might be setting their eyes on blake instead….

    the cavs are a darkhorse if they ever decide to ship love out…. but there aren’t teams that are attractive destinations AND have cap room next summer…

    we have a shot as long as we don’t completely wet the bed….

    If there was ever a player to perfectly complement Melo, it’s Chrs Paul.

    I think CP3 would have been more likely than Westbrook to begin with. Maybe Melo can get it done. That would be fun to see!

    There’s always some future savior that is going to come and lead the team to the promised land. This is actually Chris Paul’s second stint as “future savior.”

    It’s like a little bit of mustard that makes the shit sandwich on the plate in front of us taste slightly better.

    To be honest/cynical, I think the most likely candidate for the starting PG slot in 2017-2018 is Derrick Rose. Right now he wants to be here, he’s younger, and if he plays healthy minutes on a Knicks’ team that makes the playoffs I doubt there is any way we do not offer him the Amar’e Stoudemire contract. The only way Derrick Rose leaves town is if he has another season ending injury which forces him to retire, if he plays a lot of minutes and the Knicks fail to make the playoffs, or if he plays well and the Lakers, Heat, or Mavs throw him a true max contract (and the Knicks smartly choose not to offer him a max). The chances are, in my opinion, that the Knicks ride one of the best defenses in pro basketball to a playoff appearance and Derrick Rose leads the Knicks in assists or something (and OMG HE GETS INTO THE PAINT) so we end up offering him 4 or 5 years at $20M AAV. I don’t think PJax/Dolan lets Rose go especially since CP3 is 32 next summer, Lowry is 31 next summer, and there’s a decent chance the Knicks make the playoffs.

    CP3 sounds great and he even makes sense considering he and Melo are close friends. I just think Rose is here for the rest of the decade.

    …and there goes the “Knicks will sign Westbrook next summer” fantasy right down the toilet. That’s good so we can stop talking about things that aren’t going to happen

    There are other free agents next year too:
    Patty Mills
    Jrue Holiday
    Darren Collision
    George Hill
    Jeff Teague
    Kyle Lowry
    Deron Williams
    And some guy named Steph Curry.

    This isn’t some all or nothing game with Westbrook and cp3

    unlike the JR Smith situation, if we do sign Chris Paul, I’d be thrilled to have his brother too

    I’ve been the captain of the Optimism Brigade, and even I think that Russ signing his extension makes it far more likely that we’ll see Max Contract Rose next summer. But nothing is certain, so I will continue to be optimistic about how it will play out!

    Fast forward to 2022:

    Well, now that Rose’s contract is finally coming off the books, we can make that max offer to John Wall! Get it done, Vlade!

    You have always been incredibly risk-averse in your analysis, and dogmatic about linearity between past and future performance. It is an absolute joke that you are so rock-solid sure that if Rose plays 2000+ minutes, this team will struggle to win 25 games. But hey, you would have fucked up the most impactful decision facing this franchise since the Carmelo trade (which btw I criticized) by drafting WCS over Porzingis. And now I’m supposed to trust your judgment about Rose’s potential over Jackson’s?

    You realize that WCS does not stand for “Emmanuel Mudiay,” right? A 22-year-old rookie with a .130 WS48, .153 WP48, .588 TS%, and 119 ORtg is a fuck-up? Are you shitting me?

    http://bkref.com/tiny/WhcLH

    I would take Porzingis over WCS right now at the same draft position, but you call this a fuck-up? You’ve been watching your favorite team’s front office make a fuckery out of asset management for fifteen years and you have the hilarious temerity required to criticize my draft preferences?

    This is a fucking no-brainer, Z-man. You are completely out of your element, yet again. And yes, there is nothing A-to-B about the “rebuild” this offseason. If you’re comparing it to the F-minus that the franchise has endured w/r/t trading away draft picks, sure: wow, great job, C+ all around. But an A? Are you drinking bleach? Don’t drink bleach. It will further affect your ability to evaluate talent, of which WCS has lots.

    Then again, you are a person who says that a decision cannot be evaluated until the outcome has been decided and recorded, so I feel like I’m arguing with the wall right now.

    We literally just went through this with Kurt Rambis. People here have a very broken sense of probability.

    I would take Porzingis over WCS right now at the same draft position, but you call this a fuck-up?

    No more of a fuck-up than taking, say, Birdman over Dirk. I mean, look at all of those .200+ WS48 seasons!! What a talent!!

    Oh, wait, you thought Tyson Chandler was better than Dirk. I rest my case.

    Call me crazy, but I believe our starting 5 will stay relatively healthy this season with Melo & Rose getting at least 20ppg, while KP gets around 17-18ppg. I don’t know what that means for the team record-wise, because I’m not expecting a very efficient team. I do think that the offense will fit Rose and Melo well, provided they can get to their spots and KP improves. I don’t expect a lot of 3’s from Rose, but I do expect a lot of 3’s from KP/Lee/Jennings, and to a lesser degree- Thomas & Holliday. That just might give the team just enough spacing to allow Rose (the big wild card) to get to his spots. I don’t know ya’ll..it certainly is possible for Rose to get his eFG% up, Jennings too. Both of those guys never had as many capable offensive weapons as they have now. Meaning, they’ve never had a Melo, a KP, and a Courtney Lee all at the same time. I don’t expect a great season, but I won’t be surprised if we end up with 45-50 wins either. I just hope Rose and Jennings are smart enough to realize that they don’t have to take a bunch of bad shots now that they have KP & Melo, and guys like Thomas/Lee/Holliday to kick the ball to and they can actually facilitate more now.

    No more of a fuck-up than taking, say, Birdman over Dirk. I mean, look at all of those .200+ WS48 seasons!! What a talent!!

    Oh, wait, you thought Tyson Chandler was better than Dirk. I rest my case.

    If that’s your case, your case is fucking stupid. Also, Birdman was an undrafted free agent and Dirk was a #9 pick Euro before it was fashionable to pick foreign players in the lottery.

    Chandler was the starting center on a championship team. Birdman was a key bench player who led the fucking league in playoff WS48 during the Heat’s championship run. He scored 128 fucking points on 57 fucking shots. Do you get this? Do you understand how valuable he was to the Heat, despite not being a guy who shoots the ball every time he touches it? You’re not using your brain again.

    The fuck are you even talking about, dude?

    Rose would need 20+ FGA per game to get that 20 ppg. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen.

    Fast forward to 2022:

    Well, now that Rose’s contract is finally coming off the books, we can make that max offer to John Wall! Get it done, Vlade!

    I know I shouldn’t but I couldn’t help myself from chuckling at this.

    Glad to see we can continue abusing each other when literally nothing is happening.

    Yeah seriously its August.

    We really have a problem speculating on players we can sign next year? What else are we supposed to comment about?

    Jowles, do you honestly not understand the difference between a role player and a centerpiece of a team? TS, WP/WS, etc. are all really important, but they would all change if the Birdman didn’t play, you know, 600 minutes total that year. Or take more than 6-7 shots per game. Or that he was playing behind Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Ray fucking Allen.

    These stats show how efficient a player is given a ROLE. Don’t compare that to Dirk and say he’s comparable.

    Am I the person who initially compared Birdman to Dirk? Re-read and get back to me.

    Z-man is a straight moron for comparing Cauley-Stein to Porzingis unfavorably, especially since Cauley-Stein had a very solid year for any NBA player, much less a rookie an alleged lack of skills.

    Birdman had 1.9 WS in 300 minutes in the playoffs that season. Role player or not, that’s fucking incredible. LeBron was the best player in the league that year, but he still needed people to throw lobs to. Birdman was that guy.

    For a guy who does so much trolling, THCJ gets bent out of shape on the Internet really easily

    But, wetbandit, role players are a figment of our imagination, a phantom we idiots us justify to our glorification of players that take more shots and score more points.

    Shot types don’t matter and therefore assists don’t really matter, either.

    In conclusion, yes, Andersen was actually a BETTER player per minute than Lebron in the playoffs. The blame is on Spoelstra for not allowing Birdman to truly shine.

    While I talk about how productive a player actually is, you j/o over how productive a player might be. That’s the difference between us.

    The only meaningful skills in basketball are making shots and grabbing missed shots.

    Andersen and WCS are more skilled than the vast majority of NBA players.

    You ascribe absolute facts to descriptions. I talk about the limitations of our descriptions as they relate to states of affairs.

    So here we are on August 4th and Knickerblogger raging is in mid-season form.

    Fast forward to Derrick Rose’s first 7-20 FG, 6 TO game (or conversely, his first 12-20 FG, 8 assist game) We may hit 500 posts the next day.

    Anyone with NBA TV, they are showing a bunch of Knicks games from the 1990’s tomorrow if you want to remember what it was like rooting for a very good team.

    “If that’s your case, your case is fucking stupid.”
    “Z-man is a straight moron.”

    Thank you, Mr. Trump.

    This year is gonna be so much fun!!! I wonder if we’ll be able to hear it when someone in Portland’s head explodes.

    A smart team will trade some random collection of stuff for WCS in a year or two when the Kings have destroyed his trade value because they have 15 centers on their roster. Hopefully that team is the Knicks.

    The only meaningful skills in basketball are making shots and grabbing missed shots.

    Andersen and WCS are more skilled than the vast majority of NBA players.

    For a person who specializes in sophistry under the guise of nuance, you really do know how to set up a pretty strawman.

    It’s not about being the only meaningful ability. It’s that the absolute most important thing in basketball is to make shots. If we’re debating this on Knickerblogger.net, these are some dark fuckin’ days.

    Some players need LeBron to lob them passes. Some players need to tip the ball in from 18 inches away. Some players can hit a 38-foot jumper with ~40% accuracy. All of these are ways to score points. All of these have a place in the modern NBA.

    For some reason, we’re still arguing this. Mostly because you refuse to change your opinions on the game despite prognosticating incorrectly for years now. Years! Since Carmelo joined the Knicks, you’ve had one accurate prediction. One!

    Everything else has been a j/o session. Truly.

    I don’t see why CP3 would come here. He’s got a better team in LA, LA can offer him more money, and if he leaves, it will be to a true championship contender (i.e. not us). He’s too old and had too little playoff success to make a lateral or downgrade move.

    I think we’re fishing in the Lowry/Teague/Jrue pond. Unless Phil drops that 5-year deal on everybody’s favorite incumbent.

    How many wins do Derrick Rose, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan generate.

    I like the Clippers, but they’re about as good as the Knicks when you take away Chris Paul and none of their players are improving the way KP should be.

    I’ve been the captain of the Optimism Brigade, and even I think that Russ signing his extension makes it far more likely that we’ll see Max Contract Rose next summer. But nothing is certain, so I will continue to be optimistic about how it will play out!

    I mean, it’s not the end of the world (especially since the odds were that they weren’t going to get him), but yeah, the idea that Westbrook signing an extension is not bad news for the Knicks just doesn’t make any sense.

    I am coming around to the fact that we seem to have a competent, but mostly aging team for next season. Our last competent aging team went to the Eastern Conference semifinals. Like Brian, I think I will enjoy actually having a playoff team, even if they aren’t top contenders in the East. Half a loaf is enough for me this year.

    How many wins do Derrick Rose, JJ Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan generate.

    I like the Clippers, but they’re about as good as the Knicks when you take away Chris Paul and none of their players are improving the way KP should be.

    Are you familiar with DeAndre Jordan, who has played in all but seven games since the beginning of the 2010-11 season? Aware that he posted a career high in TS% before Chris Paul was even a Clipper?

    Is he going to suddenly forget how to rebound or block or dunk? I don’t understand how you can look at any team with DeAndre Jordan on it and think, “Oh, the Knicks are about as good as them.” Take off the Knicks fan jersey for a sec and be objective.

    Austin Rivers and Felton aside, DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Jamal Crawford and JJ Reddick (TS 632) are better than the Knicks.

    Vegas predicts 43 wins, Jowles predicts 25.
    If you could guarantee that Rose would play 35 MPG for 70+ games, Jowles thinks the Knicks lose more, while Vegas would surely adjust wins upward.

    Jowles the Jenius.

    If you could guarantee that Rose would play 35 MPG for 70+ games, Jowles thinks the Knicks lose more, while Vegas would surely adjust wins upward.

    Do you actually think that Derrick Rose is a productive player? Please say yes so I can anoint you the single most deluded person this board has ever seen.

    Healthy Joakim Noah is at the very least comparable to DeAndre Jordan, and his TS% being career high back in 2011 is because he was taking 2 FTA/36 instead of the 8 he took this season. He led the league in eFG% four years in a row due to Chris Paul’s spoon feeding. He’s a good player, but he is no All NBA 1st Team talent without CP3. That much is obvious.

    @56 that much is obvious. My point is that Paul, Lee, Melo, Porzingis, and Noah is about as good as Paul, Reddick, Wesley Johnson, Griffin, and Jordan.

    DeAndre Jordan had a eFG of .686 with Eric Bledsoe as his PG. DeAndre Jordan is a terrific basketball player with anything approaching a professional basketball PG on the court with him.

    Take off the Knicks fan jersey for a sec and be objective.

    Being a Knicks fan means somebody can’t believe that the Clippers without Paul wouldn’t be much better than the current Knicks? Why would being a Knicks fan impact this particular opinion? He’s not saying the current Knicks or the Clipps without Paul would be extremely good, so not sure how it’s affecting his objectivity to have a difference of opinion with you over the level of greatness of DeAndre Jordan.

    Yes, Jowles, I believe that Rose will play closer to his MVP form than his play last year. I believe he will play at around 2016 John Wall level.

    What happened in the playoffs Jowels? They got smoked when DJ was the top gun against Portland.

    I don’t understand how you can look at any team with DeAndre Jordan on it and think, “Oh, the Knicks are about as good as them.”

    So which is it? Any team with DJ is at a certain level. Now you are throwing in caveats. Thanks for Jowlesing it up as usual.

    DeAndre Jordan had a eFG of .686 with Eric Bledsoe as his PG. DeAndre Jordan is a terrific basketball player with anything approaching a professional basketball PG on the court with him.

    I’ve hesitated to get involved in this conversation because it’s always the same old thing. Here is what I think about it though:

    1) Deandre Jordan is a great offensive player, much like Tyson Chandler was in a similar role.

    2) His offensive effect far outstrips even his amazing eFG and USG, because much of the amazing Clippers’ offense is based on how he deforms the defense when he comes down the lane, since he’ll dunk anything close. So even when he doesn’t take a shot, he’s a positive offense force (not taking into account his awful FT shooting and possessions hijacked by Hack-a-Jordan)

    3) That said – it’s the combination of him and Chris Paul that makes the offense great. Jordan’s individual offensive numbers are amazing when CP3 is on the court with him (eFG 71 on a 16.5 usage) , and still pretty great when CP3 is off the court (eFG 62.8 on 17.1 USG), but overall offense is disproportionately worse when he’s on the court without CP3. With Jordan on the court but CP3 off, the Clippers offense is legitimately awful with a PPP of 0.985. If you swap that (CP3 on, Jordan off), the Clippers offense scores 1.220 PPP. If Deandre Jordan is as amazing an offensive player as individual advanced stats would suggest, that really shouldn’t be the case.

    So my conclusion is that Jordan is great but that he needs CP3 in order to have both individual and team success, whereas CP3 is just amazing and creates an amazing offense all by himself.

    (the other conclusion could be that Cole Aldrich is indeed the greatest player in the planet, since he’s the one that usually replaces Jordan when CP3 is on the court but Jordan is not)

    I don’t see why CP3 would come here……… He’s had too little playoff success to make a lateral or downgrade move.

    You answered your own question. After years of not making it to the Finals (which is unlikely to change in the Western Conference), the idea of at least getting to the dance is appealing. And I have to guess that X many years of Doc yelling at you to do this or that or whatever grows stale as well.

    I never thought we had a good shot at Westbrook. I also wasn’t as excited about him as CP3; I worry how his game will age; I worry how he’ll fit with other guys who are more efficient taking shots. CP3 I never worried about – he’s one of the all-time greats. His game will age fine, 32 or not.

    I’d put the odds at CP3 for next year at about 40%. Owen is right that I listed a lot of “ifs,” but most of them are pretty reasonable – Lee and Melo are consistent with who they’ve been, KP improves. The question is Noah’s health. But if Noah stays healthy and this team does some damage in the playoffs while Rose clearly adds nothing to our run, CP3 will take the Knicks seriously.

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