Knicks Morning News (2016.05.05)

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Cavaliers Bury the Hawks With a Record 25 3-Pointers (Thu, 05 May 2016 03:15:43 GMT)

    The Cavaliers made 18 3-pointers in the first half and added seven more after halftime to embarrass the visiting Hawks, who have lost 10 straight postseason games to Cleveland.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Kennedy Meeks Out of the Draft (Thu, 05 May 2016 03:15:44 GMT)

    North Carolina’s Meeks will withdraw from the N.B.A. draft and return for his senior season.

  • [New York Times] Former Lakers Coach Byron Scott ‘Shocked’ Over Firing (Thu, 05 May 2016 10:18:35 GMT)

    Former Los Angeles Lakers head coach Byron Scott says he thought he had more time to right the ship before the team fired him last week.

  • [New York Times] LeBron Tells Cavaliers to Soak Up Record Night (Thu, 05 May 2016 06:51:27 GMT)

    LeBron James and his Cleveland Cavaliers team mates have bigger fish to fry but the superstar implored his men to enjoy their record-breaking night on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Big Shots: Cavaliers Set NBA Record by Making 25 3-Pointers (Thu, 05 May 2016 06:39:30 GMT)

    Wearing headphones and sweats, J.R. Smith, the one Cleveland player without any restrictions on where or when he can shoot, finished his pregame warmup by stopping near half-court and launching a shot.

  • [New York Times] With Lowry Faltering, Dragic Flourishing, Heat Seek 2-0 Lead (Thu, 05 May 2016 06:18:34 GMT)

    It took the Toronto Raptors 15 years to get this far again, and Kyle Lowry knows they won’t go further if he doesn’t play better.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Take Long-Range Approach to Big Win Over Hawks (Thu, 05 May 2016 05:48:28 GMT)

    LeBron James scored 27 points and the Cleveland Cavaliers made a record 25 three-pointers to pound the Atlanta Hawks 123-98 on Wednesday to take a 2-0 series lead in the Eastern Conference semi-finals.

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    64 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.05.05)”

    1. I hope Phil has good cell service in Iowa in the event the Pacers cut Vogel loose today…

    2. Mchale withdraws his name from consideration for the Kings job, the morning of the big Bird/Pacers press conference….can’t be a coincidence right?

    3. I thought Bird and McHale didn’t get along as teammates, though maybe time has healed that.

      Meanwhile, Charles Oakley is the best:

      @CharlesOakley34 12h12 hours ago Atlanta, GA

      Charles Barkley ,you better stop talking s*** about Cleveland you was never tough you hide behind TNT

    4. Chris Mannix ?@ChrisMannixYS 4m4 minutes ago
      If Larry Bird plans to announce the firing of Frank Vogel, Vogel is unaware of it, league sources told @TheVertical.

      ***

      That is a strange.

    5. Vogel is OUT. Meanwhile, the Knicks have told people involved in the coaching search that Phil is “on vacation.” FFS…

    6. Chris Mannix ?@ChrisMannixYS 4m4 minutes ago
      If Larry Bird plans to announce the firing of Frank Vogel, Vogel is unaware of it, league sources told @TheVertical.

      1. he’s not getting fired, he’s just not getting resigned…so…he doesn’t need to be told.
      2. even if he was, he’s not going to openly admit it and look like a fool, lol.

    7. as for Phil being on “vacation” , honestly i wouldn’t stress too much. There aren’t that many coaching jobs even left, its the DAY he got let go so i wouldn’t expect Phil to change his plans THE DAY OF. This isn’t like bringing in a star free agent player where you need to cater to their ego. I’d put money up that they’d be in touch soon enough.

    8. Mchale withdraws his name from consideration for the Kings job, the morning of the big Bird/Pacers press conference….can’t be a coincidence right?

      Bird said in the press conference that he wouldn’t hire McHale, saying it wouldn’t be fair to have that guy have to work under him.

      So I guess McHale just wanted no part of that Sacramento dysfunction?

    9. This really seems like a fork in the road moment for the Jackson regime. There are two strong coaches available who have ties to the organization and seem philosophically compatible (Blatt with Mills, and with overlap between Princeton and Triangle; Vogel as a former Jackson scout in LA), even if neither is 100% pure Triangle. If Phil hires one of them — or, at least, makes a strong push to hire one or both of them — then he’s not the caricatured stubborn old man we often take him for.

      If he does nothing, lets Vogel go to Houston, Blatt elsewhere, and just promotes Rambis… then we’re all just holding our breath until he’s gone and the next savior arrives.

    10. So I guess McHale just wanted no part of that Sacramento dysfunction?

      Probably makes sense. Shoutout to JB Bickerstaff taking his name out of the hat for the Houston job.

    11. “1. he’s not getting fired, he’s just not getting resigned…so…he doesn’t need to be told.”
      Technically true, but extremely dick-ish nonetheless. The guy was a successful coach there for how many years and Bird didn’t at least give him a heads up? If that’s true, there must be some real bad blood there.

    12. @ 14 I more or less guessed that yesterday. That’s why sportstalk and such is hard to take too seriously.

      “If you’ve never read a thread on Poasting and Toasting, do yourself a favor and check this one out:

      http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/5/4/11591836/why-is-phil-jackson-in-sioux-city-iowa-here-are-7-conspiracy-theories
      Theory #3 is a riot.

      I’m guessing that Bird will make it official tomorrow that Vogel is out?

      I know Phil presents himself as being very cosmopolitan, but is it that unusual a part of the world for someone who went to college in North Dakota (and I think lives in Montana) to pass through”

    13. Great things are already starting to happen for us! This will be the 8 weeks that Knick fans will remember for decades. I can feel it!

    14. Technically true, but extremely dick-ish nonetheless. The guy was a successful coach there for how many years and Bird didn’t at least give him a heads up? If that’s true, there must be some real bad blood there.

      Yeah, it’s a total dick move. I just don’t get it. And then Bird has the gall to say “I’ll address this soon so as to not leave him hanging.” What the fuck, Bird?

      The reports are that they talked for the first time this morning, when Vogel actually tried to talk Bird out of it. When you have a top coach in the NBA trying to talk you out of letting him go, when he could pretty much pick his next gig, it shows that he was super-committed to the organization. And to repay that, you let him twist in the wind for almost a week before firing him. Such a dick move.

    15. Then again, seeing Bird’s BS comments about not wanting McHale because he “respects him too much,” I guess Bird is just totally on board with simply bullshitting about everything he says.

    16. So, will Bird make his Rambis(McHale) the new Pacers coach? Will he interview Blatt? Mchale implementing things he learned from Houston would not be good for the knicks. Would he make George a less efficient two-way version of Harden? Then again they want him to play the 4 so how would that work? McHale would also have a promising big to work with in Turner that has the offensive tools that might pick up his coaching better than Dwight. Interesting situation.

    17. Bird just said that he won’t be hiring McHale. Unlike Jackson/Rambis, Bird and McHale actually aren’t that close.

    18. As for the Pacers, it looks like they’ll just be hiring an offensive-minded coach, with the theory that their “defensive coordinator” (quotes because it’s not actually an NBA term) Dan Burke can keep the defense on track. So I think they might actually surprise and go for a top offensive-minded assistant coach out there. Heck, D’Antoni might even get a look see, as I don’t see many other great offensive-minded head coaches out there (those types of guys tend to keep their jobs). George at the 4, Turner at the 5 is what Bird wants and you know D’Antoni would salivate over such a set-up.

    19. @23 Yeah, I saw that right after I posted that. D’Antoni with George and Turner would be nice

    20. I want to see James Harden & D’Antoni together-imagine what he would do with a coach encouraging him to jack shots?

    21. I know Bird mentioned an offensive minded head coach but does Mark Jackson get a shot? I mean he does have ties with Indy and was a player under Bird.

      I know how this board thinks about him but I’m just throwing out names.

    22. If Bird wants a head coach that I find offensive, Jackson would be a solid choice.

    23. CandaceDBuckner
      VERY early but here’s a surprising list of names I’m hearing of possible #Pacers candidates: D’Antoni, Jackson, Shaw, Wittman, Woodson.

      Woodson! ahahahaha

    24. I want to see James Harden & D’Antoni together-imagine what he would do with a coach encouraging him to jack shots?

      I don’t see how they don’t go for Vogel now that he’s available. He seems perfect for them. When you have James Harden to start with, the rest of the offense should be relatively easy. Defense, on the other hand…

    25. If Bird wants a head coach that I find offensive, Jackson would be a solid choice.

      Other than being from Queens, what does Jackson have in his resume? Getting bounced in the first round with essentially the same team Kerr won it all with the next year? 20 games over .500 to 52 over .500 for Kerr the next year?

      I guess playing D. Green 700 minutes more and D. Lee 1300 minutes less might have had something to do with it :-)

    26. Woodson! ahahahaha

      He’s got the Indiana background. But yeah, D’Antoni is the only guy who makes any sense on that list if they’re looking for an offensive-minded coach. But then again, Bird could just be full of shit and just wanted Vogel out.

    27. possible #Pacers candidates: D’Antoni, Jackson, Shaw, Wittman, Woodson.

      Holy shit that’s a bad list…

    28. I think Mark Jackson could have been a good player’s coach, but he was far too paranoid. To be a good player’s coach, you have to be able to totally trust your assistant coaches to implement the system and therefore you then concentrate on connecting with your players. Like what Doc Rivers does. Like what Phil Jackson did. Jackson connected with his players great. They all loved that guy. He just didn’t trust his assistants at all. So really, screw that guy. He had the blueprint for success and he basically wiped his ass with it.

    29. Woodson! ahahahaha

      Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if we hired Vogel and Indiana hired Woodson, and we met in the playoffs and Woodson started Rakeem Christmas and Lavoy Allen because “the East is big man”?

    30. The rotation rigidity that Zach talks about is something we’ve seen before with Fisher and some of our other coaches. But Vogel’s difficulty coaching offense might not be a big deal here, because we already have the damn Triangle in place. Much of our concern about it was that it was going to prevent us from getting a top coach who wouldn’t want to run it, but Vogel may not care.

    31. @36 Yes, very interesting article. I wonder if Phil will reach out to Vogel with the idea that Rambis can be his offensive coordinator? If Vogel really is popular with players, he might not feel threatened at all by Rambis’ presence and closeness with Phil. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

      I actually enjoy Phil not showing his cards. It is funny to watch the media all running around cluelessly speculating about stuff. Last year no one had any idea what he’d do in the draft. He bamboozled them all!

    32. Last year no one had any idea what he’d do in the draft. He bamboozled them all!

      At the time, people said that he wanted to trade down and since then, there’s been a couple of reports (the most notable one was by Bill Simmons) who said that he tried to trade down but the deal fell apart on the other side of the deal, not the Knicks’ side. As with a lot of trades that don’t happen, there’s little benefit to confirming it, so we likely won’t know the full truth until much later on, but it would not be surprising at all if people were right there with the draft rumors.

      Similarly, the rumor midway through last season was that Jackson wanted to sign Greg Monroe and the first thing he did once the moratorium was over was call Greg Monroe’s agent, so I don’t buy him as being some huge mystery. Has he done things that weren’t rumored? Of course. So do all GMs.

      Heck, even with the coaching search, the only way he hasn’t shown his hand is if he doesn’t hire Rambis. So we shall see about that, as well.

    33. I think Mark Jackson could have been a good player’s coach, but he was far too paranoid. To be a good player’s coach, you have to be able to totally trust your assistant coaches to implement the system and therefore you then concentrate on connecting with your players.

      Not looking to justify Jackson tenure in GS, but in fairness to all the flak we give him (which is probably pretty reasonable) he did improve the team from 23 wins in his first year to 51 in his 3rd and he got them to the playoffs for the first time in 5 years. Ultimately they dis seem to plateau in year 3. He could still potentially be a decent players coach given GS was his first gig, but yeah would prefer him not to have another HC gig in New York.

      The Vogel situation does seem interesting. Depending on how deep the talks are with Blatt, Phil has got to make that call as soon as possible. Even if they are in the advanced stages, just test the water anyway. Vogel could really bring back that gritty defence I grew up with watching Knick games at ungodly hours in the morning. Good times.

    34. Mark Jackson’s ultra-right authoritarian views and his stripper mistress dick pics, in tandem, don’t exactly endear me to him, either.

    35. Nope. I refuse. I WILL NOT have hope for a Vogel hire. Can’t do it. Hopefully the energy from a refusal will somehow sway Phil into actually hiring Vogel. My form of Zen magic lol

    36. I think the coach matters but I have zero optimism for this team right now. Very depressing.
      No coach
      No point guard
      No shooting guard
      No anything to attract free agents
      No draft picks at all in the upcoming draft
      We do have a GM that is hiking through the midwest.

      Doesn’t this feel like Nero fiddling while Rome burned down?

    37. Great things are already starting to happen for us! This will be the 8 weeks that Knick fans will remember for decades. I can feel it!

      Great things like watching the draft lottery to see whether it’s going to be Denver or Toronto that takes out pick, then watching the draft itself to see which franchise player is thus selected. Memories to last a lifetime!

    38. Dragic takes a running elbow to the chops and gets called for the block. Even Jon Barry knows that was a bad call.

    39. I need therapy. I admit it. At least I can say I saw us win a championship. But I’ve been waiting a long time since then.

    40. When I was a kid a long time ago and now again recently since I’ve retired.

    41. How many franchise players are there in this upcoming draft, maybe one? This is not the draft to be home crying about not being in the lottery. Unless our pick becomes #1, and Ben becomes the next Lebron ;)

    42. whiteside ran out of gas about half an hour ago. he’s dead wood out there.

      jon barry sucks.

    43. How many franchise players are there in this upcoming draft, maybe one? This is not the draft to be home crying about not being in the lottery. Unless our pick becomes #1

      And the 2011 draft was considered weak, too. How many franchise players were selected that year? 4 so far.

      There’s never a good year to throw a top 10 pick away.

    44. Doesn’t this feel like Nero fiddling while Rome burned down?

      What exactly would you like Phil to be doing now? Watching tape on all the lottery picks we won’t be choosing?

    45. I don’t know how many franchise players there will be in the draft, but I can guarantee that there will be more than there are in Andrea Bargnani. Shit, even a decent role player on a rookie contract would be awesome. Why do we have to focus on franchise players? Just about any player drafted in the top ten over the last 5 years would probably be an improvement over what we currently have.

    46. I think the coach matters but I have zero optimism for this team right now. Very depressing.
      No coach
      No point guard
      No shooting guard
      No anything to attract free agents
      No draft picks at all in the upcoming draft
      We do have a GM that is hiking through the midwest.

      Doesn’t this feel like Nero fiddling while Rome burned down?

      There’s no real good reason to be all that optimistic about the team in the short term (Porzingis gives us some reason to be optimistic for the long term, at least), but I don’t think Jackson going on a road trip is really that big of a deal. He’s posting stuff from the road, so he’s obviously still plugged in. Is it super bizarre? Of course. But Phil’s a bizarre guy. He’s always been that way. I don’t think his antics make much of a difference.

    47. There’s never a good year to throw a top 10 pick away.

      Well, Bargnani was going to make it so that this pick would be in the high 20s. Just like Melo was going to make is so the Nuggets would never dream of swapping picks with the Knicks.

      Hmmm…I guess that was Poe’s Law in effect, as I was re-reading that and it even sounded to me like I was actually defending the trades there and not just sarcastically mocking them.

    48. Totally disagree. Several of his players really didn’t like him, especially Bogut. Plus, there’s the infamous Festus Ezeli story: http://www.warriorsworld.net/2015/06/22/warriors-news-mark-jackson-lied-team-festus-ezeli/

      But that just goes in with why he turned out to not be a good player’s coach. He could have been a good player’s coach, but he couldn’t help but be a paranoid nutjob. The Ezeli stuff fits in with the stuff he pulled with his assistants. He’s a paranoid nutjob who couldn’t help himself from doing stupid shit like that.

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