Knicks Morning News (2015.07.03)

  • [New York Daily News] Aldridge cancels Knicks meeting, Afflalo, Robin Lopez to MSG (Fri, 03 Jul 2015 06:07:29 GMT)

    As it turns out, New York and the Garden are a tough sell — even for Phil Jackson.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Big splash? Jackson’s Knicks barely make F/A ripple (Fri, 03 Jul 2015 02:42:55 GMT)

    The offseason is proving to be just as disappointing as the actual games for Phil Jackson. The losses are just measured differently.

  • [New York Daily News] Greg Monroe Bucks Knicks, agrees to max deal with Milwaukee (Fri, 03 Jul 2015 00:13:01 GMT)

    What was supposedly such a great fit followed to money elsewhere.

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    1. So right now we’re looking at a Calderon/Afflalo/Melo/Admunson/Lopez lineup with rookies Grant and Zinger off the bench. Also Galloway as a tweener guard.

      I think Jax still believes in Calderon, but upgrading him would be nice and so would finding a starting pf.

      Joseph would be a great fit. No way we’ll find the ideal pf on our budget though. Thoughts?

    2. What is best website to use to see PER, efg, and defensive rankings of players?

      Basically what is best site for advanced metrics?

    3. Every time I see a “Captain” on the board I buckle up for an anti-Phil tirade.

    4. Just cause the Knicks have the cap space doesn’t mean it is wise to spend it all.
      There are no big splashes. You slowly build and with the cap space increase next year, they again are in the mix, with hopefully a better team foundation.
      A good GM would take three years to rebuild.

    5. The Knicks would be smart to start Porzingis if there is nobody else at PF, unless they want to go small and run Afflalo and Melo and the 3 and 4 and Galloway and Calderon at the guard spots interchangeably. 30 wins, here we come.

    6. Keeping some cap space might be useful down the stretch too; being the facilitating team in a three or four team trade in December can nab you some sweet picks down the road.

    7. If we reach 30 wins without doing anything stupid and handicapping our future, I’m still for it. If Phil can steer the ship in 5 years toward healthy team building, I’m all for it. Incremental improvement is the one that lasts longer.

    8. Yeah but if you trade for a guy like David Lee, you could also get a cheap big like Ezeli or McAdoo thrown in and/or a pick.

      That would at least make up for the lack of ’16 pick.

    9. If the Knicks somehow end up adding the following players to their roster for 2015-2016, all while preserving cap space for 2016:

      Zinger
      Grant (bonus points: dumping THjr)
      Afflalo
      Lopez
      Lee
      2016 1st round pick from GS

      Would everyone agree Phil had a pretty successful off season?

    10. They can’t add Lee if they add Lopez. Golden State is only willing to deal Lee if the other team takes him without giving salary back.

    11. d-Mar, Phil doesn’t need the Lee+pick to make it a successful off-season but he needs to add good, solid, young depth to do that. I really don’t think we’re getting David Lee and a pick. That would be very unKnick-like.
      I’m actually happier with Lopez over Monroe. All the whining about Lopez is uncalled for. He’s very solid. Same with Afflalo. Both are “B” players.

      My lineup so far (starter/backups):

      C: Lopez
      PF: Melo
      SF: Porzingas/Early
      SG: Afflalo/Galloway
      PG: Grant/Calderon

      We obviously need more size. And yes, I start both rookies. (Not that Fisher will).

    12. What if we try to involve Philly in the deal sending there Calderon and Looney?

    13. They can’t add Lee if they add Lopez. Golden State is only willing to deal Lee if the other team takes him without giving salary back.

      You don’t think they’d take Calderon?

    14. What if we try to involve Philly in the deal sending there Calderon and Looney?

      But wouldn’t it make more sense for them to just get Lee themselves then?

    15. Do they have all that cap space even after getting those Kings dumplings?

      EDIT: Whoa, they’re swimming in cap space. They could theoretically add Lee, Hibbert, Looney, Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker and still stay under.

    16. They should. They have, like, no one on that roster. Even with the salary dump from the Kings. They were at $24 million before the draft.

    17. Yeah, I thought Jason Richardson was still there. It’s incredible how barren their roster is, when you look at it on HoopsHype or ShamSports.

    18. They could theoretically add Lee, Hibbert, Looney, Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker and still stay under.

      Can you imagine?

      Canaan-Tucker-Covington-Okafor-Noel with a Wroten-Stauskas-Grant-Morris-Embiid-Hibbert-Lee bench and Looney, Thompson and Aldemir as their 13-15 guys.

      I want to see that Frankenstein monster of a basketball team!

    19. @15 – They would have to. With us signing Lopez at $12M, taking Lee back would put us over the cap by about $6M so it would require them taking some salary back. This is why I dismiss the idea. GS would want all the money off the books to make such a deal. It makes no sense. For the 76’ers however…

    20. Sorry to be looking so far forward, but….

      This site has us with a 2016 first and second round pick:

      http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

      Didn’t we give that pick away in the Bargnani trade and need to wait until 2017? Or was I busy crying myself to sleep?

      I’m assuming they’re putting our name in there to make it easier for everyone to read. Denver first has the right to swap with us from the Melo trade and then Toronto will be getting whichever pick we have.

    21. I would take a swing at KJ McDaniel.

      A Melo/Lopez frontline would not be ideal, even though I had previously liked Melo at the 4.

      We could of use a good defender at the 4.

      Still not sure what to think about the back court.

    22. Can you imagine?

      Canaan-Tucker-Covington-Okafor-Noel with a Wroten-Stauskas-Grant-Morris-Embiid-Hibbert-Lee bench and Looney, Thompson and Aldemir as their 13-15 guys.

      I want to see that Frankenstein monster of a basketball team!

      You confused the heck out of me by replying to your own edited reply. :) “Who the heck is he replying to?”

    23. If our SFs are gonna be Melo, Early and Thanasis this season, we soon will see a lot more of 40 Minutes Melo (40MM).

      Early didn’t show squat last season to prove he belongs in the league and the greek boy was a terrible player… in d-league.

    24. There’s still a lot of offseason left. The Knicks likely will add a wing.

    25. You confused the heck out of me by replying to your own edited reply.

      Sorry, boring day at work and I’m pretty lazy today :D

    26. If I’m RoLo, I’d go for a 3 years, last one player option. I guess though the Knicks have proposed him the full 4 years.

    27. As long as we do the Lee trade before signing any more FA’s, and we sign R.Lopez for $12mm, I think we can swing it. $9.004 cap space + $5.900 JR smith trade exception + 100k = $15.004 max salary to take back in a trade. $1.860 Travis Outlaw trade exception could be thrown in to take back Looney. Would be fantastic to pick up Lee + Looney or Lee+GS 2016 1st (or both). Also, I am showing more cap space what I’ve read online. Are these calc’s correct?

      15/16 16/17 17/18 18/19 19/20
      1 PF/SF Melo 22.875 24.559 26.244 27.928
      2 PG/SG Jose 7.403 7.708
      3 PF STAPS 3.327 3.476 3.626 4.587 6.050
      4 PG/SG J.Grant 1.226 1.323 1.380 2.920 4.164
      5 PG/SG Galloway 0.845 0.980
      6 SF C. Early 0.845
      7 SG/SF Afflalo 8.000 8.000
      8 C R.Lopez 12.000 12.000 12.000 – –
      Subtotal 56.521 58.048 31.250 35.435 10.214

      Rostered 8 7 4 4 3
      Cap Holds # (-1) 3 4 7 7 8
      Cap Holds $ 1.575 2.310 4.448 4.892 6.150
      Projected Cap 67.100 89.000 108.000 118.800 130.680
      Assumed growth 10% 10%

      Remaining 1 FA 9.004 28.642 72.303 78.473 114.316
      Remaining 2 FA 9.529 29.220 72.938 79.172 115.084
      Remaining 3 FA 10.054 29.797 73.573 79.870 115.853

      Trade Exceptions
      JR Smith 5.900
      Travis Outlaw 1.860

      Max Trade 15.004 (note: cap + JR Smith exception + 100k)

      Cap Hold Assume 0.525 0.578 0.635 0.699 0.769

    28. I don’t know what to think. I love no moves. I also love small moves. Big moves scare me, but the right big move can be a once in a lifetime thing.

      What is Affalo? It is A move. It is not a small move. It is not a big move. It is a move for a competent two guard whose upside we have seen. Is it a good move? That depends on what comes next. I don’t want Aaron Affalo getting hot on the last weekend and knocking us out of the top spot in the draft in 2017. I want him if he’s a complement to someone who is going to be a difference maker.

      Him plus ROLO certainly makes us better than last year. Rolo 12 x 2? and both expire summer 2017 when we’ll own our pick? Phil gets us a low playoff spot in the meantime maybe?

      The question right now is whether Phil is orchestrating a plan or twisting in the wind. Seems as if the $ puzzle pieces fit for a max and maybe DAJ can be sold on it. People are acting like it’s out of the question that someone would want to come here. Hopefully, if not now, which seems likely, Phil will be able to create some stability where it would make sense for someone in 2016 or 2017.

    29. $9.004 cap space + $5.900 JR smith trade exception

      Trade exceptions cannot be combined with anything.

      That is on top of the fact that the trade exception disappears as soon as the Knicks have cap space (I mean, it technically exists, it just takes the place of cap space, so in other words, it disappears).

    30. The one thing about these Lee trade scenarios is that I think I read that GS had committed to sending him to a good situation. Pretty sure sac and philly would not qualify. I wonder whether they’ll end up buying him out and letting him sign wherever. My guess is he ends up in LA, NY, or Dallas.

      Re Philly- I really wonder about where they are headed. They are building up all these assets but have destroyed the culture in the meantime. You get the feeling they are building up to make a godfather offer to someone with a disgruntled superstar– problem is, they are not like NY with Melo or even Houston with Harden– both NY and Houston were desirable locations and teams to go to. Who wants to sign an extension or a new contract with Philly at this point? Figure no one will trade a superstar until 1 year or less on their contract so you’d need some reassurance that player will resign in Philly before making that huge offer. And now that there will be tons of teams with cap space going forward, it’s not even like Philly could even offer that much more to entice someone to stay there.

    31. From Lowe:

      Plenty of teams could have fleeced the Kings, but they are all trying to spend their cap space on more useful NBA players. The Sixers aren’t, and they struck early — before teams with unused cap space, like the Knicks and Lakers, pivoted into the Kings’ derby.

      ^ the cost of dreaming about Greg Monroe and pretending like any player we signed would have made a difference for this terrible basketball team.

      We should have been embracing our rebuild from the minute the offseason started. Hopefully there is another sucker out there and hopefully we don’t continue to be ignorant of our reality.

    32. But do the Knicks get the trade exception back once they’ve run out of cap space?

    33. Isn’t LMA signing withy the Lakers the best thing we can hope for? At that point they would have to trade for Melo right?

    34. And I say that to say that I’m pro-Lopez, but we should use the rest of our cap space on absorbing players from teams who need cap space

      Lee and Varejao are out but Zach Lowe mentioned that Miami may be looking to clear space. I’m sure other teams will too as the season goes on – only issue is that the JR Smith exception expires a month + before the deadline

    35. But do the Knicks get the trade exception back once they’ve run out of cap space?

      No. You have to waive the exception to access the cap room.

    36. @32 – I was retweeting that article and saw you posted ahead of me. I agree. Great summary.
      Now, assuming it’s RoLo, we have $9M left. How do we spend Dolan’s cash? I want a backup big and a wing off the bench. Who would you give $5M to?

    37. Trade exceptions cannot be combined with anything.
      That is on top of the fact that the trade exception disappears as soon as the Knicks have cap space (I mean, it technically exists, it just takes the place of cap space, so in other words, it disappears).

      Ok, so the JR Smith trade exception in a vacuum could take us $6mm over the cap but only to acquire a player on a $6mm contract? Not that this is realistic, but could get to $2.091 under the cap and then pair JR Smith TE $5.900 + Calderon $7.403 + $0.100+ $2.091 sign and trade for D. Lee at $15.494?

    38. Ok, so the JR Smith trade exception in a vacuum could take us $6mm over the cap but only to acquire a player on a $6mm contract? Not that this is realistic, but could get to $2.091 under the cap and then pair JR Smith TE $5.900 + Calderon $7.403 + $0.100+ $2.091 sign and trade for D. Lee at $15.494?

      No, once the Knicks have cap room, they have to waive the trade exception to use the cap room. In other words, let’s say that the Knicks have $10 million in cap space. That cap space would be filled with the various exceptions, making it useless, unless the Knicks waive the exceptions. Like the MLE and the trade exceptions. So obviously they’ll just so that (waive the TPE), as trade exceptions can’t do anything that cap space can’t do. Trade exceptions only carry over if you don’t dip under the cap. Certain teams have been over the cap for so long that they never have to waive their trade exceptions (they just expire after a year). It’s the same principle regarding cap holds on players. The Knicks have to renounce Bargs’ cap hold to access his cap space. If the Knicks were over the cap, they wouldn’t have to renounce anything. This is why the Celtics, for instance, only just now had to renounce players who they have had cap holds on their cap since, like, 2009, since they have been over the cap since then (or, if they ever dipped under, they didn’t use the cap space, so they never had to renounce their cap holds).

    39. I dunno. I’m not a real big fan of Robin Lopez. I’d rather have Koufos- who can do pretty much the same things with more offense for less. But..I think he will do his job well. That price tag though?? The market is outta control lol. At 12 mil, people are gonna go nuts because his effect on the game does not show up in the box score. I can see people saying “12 mil a year for 8ppg/7rpg/1bpg??”. The biggest reason I think he wants to sign with the Knicks, other than the salary, is so that he can hang out with his brother and play him 4 times a season. Just like old times in the driveway, backyard, or playground- wherever they played against one another growing up. Eh..he’s a big body. I wonder what Phil does with the cap room next. Does he go after Perkins or Koufos to back Lopez up? Or does he retain Cole? Furthermore, we’re gonna need a SF so that Melo can play PF where he’s been most effective. So, who’s on the market? I don’t see any viable starting SF’s in free agency. Brandon Bass maybe, but he’s more of an undersized PF who doesn’t rebound well. With that in mind, are there any contracts that we can absorb that will net us a starting SF and a pick? We would most likely hafta ship Calderon out in that trade, but we’re thin in the backcourt unless the team thinks Grant is an immediate answer at PG.

    40. Got it. Assuming that the Suns would want to package together Tucker + Morris if they were to trade them but would love to take Morris off their hands if it’s an option

      Ugh, now that Afflalo contract is seeming onerous..

      At this point I’m for them staying pat and using their space to absorb other team’s contracts. They did their job this offseason in putting some semblance of a team around the young guys. I know Philly has been much more successful at accumulating assets than us, but I think there is an important value in putting a competent team on the floor to mold your young guys, especially if they’re going to try and teach them the triangle.

      Is there anyone international we can grab on the cheap? Is anyone in tune with that scene? Another Prigioni-esque steal?

    41. The Knicks free agency moves so far can be summed up in two notes.

      1. We didn’t do anything stupid. That’s welcomed news and indicates that Phil is really in charge.

      2. We didn’t do anything to move the chain forward towards eventually contending for a title. To win a title you need at least 3-4 all star caliber players or 2 legit superstars.

      My feelings on Monroe vs. Lopez are mixed.

      I think Lopez is the better fit with Melo defensively and will enable us to use Melo at the PF more often. At 27, it’s also at least possible he has a little more upside. Centers do sometimes peak later.

      On the flip side, Monroe is clearly the better offensive player. Monroe also has more potential upside and may become one of those “star” players we eventually need to contend

      Just a note, we don’t have a solid #2 scorer behind Melo right now unless Zinger develops shockingly quickly. Monroe would have given us that. Afflalo is best used playing off Melo and knocking down open 3s. Calderon is Calderon and Lopez is a lower usage C. We’ve got better spacing, but we still don’t have enough scoring. Hopefully Zinger and Grant will add that in time.

    42. Is Josh McRoberts healthy? I’m pretty sure he’s a FA. He signed cheap for 1 year with Miami last year. He might be a great fit at the 4.

    43. Available bigs:

      Retreads: STAT, Cole, Bargs, Jason Smith, Lance Thomas, Amundson, Jordan Hill, Quincy Acy, Jerome Jordan

      Now others: Glen Davis, Darrell Arthur, Bismack Biyombo, Kevin Seraphin, Tyler Hansbrough, Thomas Robinson, Reggie Evans, Drew Gooden, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Carlos Boozer, Kendrick Perkins, Elton Brand

      Anyone to cross off? Anyone to add?

    44. McRoberts has 3 years left at 5.5, 5.5 and 6 million. Last year is a player option. Certainly intriguing if Miami is looking to make space

    45. @46 — that makes sense — is this addressed somewhere on cbafaq.com ?

      Yep. Section #26:

      So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $58 million, and a team has $51.5 million committed to salaries. They also have a Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a trade exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions also count toward their team salary, increasing their total to $62 million, or $4 million over the cap. So the team actually has no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use its exceptions to sign players.

      Teams have the option to renounce their exceptions in order to reclaim their cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $51.5 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which then can be used to sign free agent(s).

    46. Just a note, we don’t have a solid #2 scorer behind Melo right now unless Zinger develops shockingly quickly

      I want to start Zinger. I would actually start him ass the small forward on offense and set the defense based on matchup

      Caldo
      Aflalo
      Kristo
      Melo
      RoLo

      and another wing on the bench

    47. What’s holding up the Lopez deal? Do the Knicks actually have a puncher’s chance of getting Jordan? All the reports are the Clippers or Dallas, it seems. What are the years on Lopez’s supposed deal? If it is another 2 years and option, the Knicks will retain lots of cap flexibility in the next 2 years.

      I’d rather have Lopez at $13m than Jordan at $19m, anyways. That extra 6m could net a decent player or two down the road when some overlooked guys get antsy to sign, or just hang on to it to facilitate a future trade. Plus, Jordan just does not seem at all like a good triangle fit, but maybe that shows that Phil is not as married to the triangle as we’re led to believe?

      Don’t lament the Knicks missing out on Monroe. If he does continue to play well or better, he’ll opt out and the Knicks will have another chance on him in 2 years, depending on the length of Lopez’s deal. Meanwhile, the Knicks are not even close to seriously competing in the East until then, at the earliest. Time to develop the kids. Porzingis and Grant should get considerable PT (20+ minutes per) along with Galloway. Maybe another guy (Thanasis?), too?

    48. @60 and 61. The Knicks might envision Porzingis as quickly becoming the #2 scorer? That seems like too much, too soon.

      Melo should get lots of post ups with Zinger and Afflalo looking to shoot off of that. It could be time for Melo to step up as a passer.

      I read somewhere that Afflalo has a nice post-up game. At 6’5″, there might be good matchups for that against some guards.

    49. Available Wings/6th man

      Retreads: JR Smith, Landry Fields, Wayne Ellington, Alexey Shved, Chris Copeland, Travis Wear, Shawne Williams

      Now others: Tobias Harris, Lou Williams. Rodney Stuckey, Dorell Wright, Marco Belinelli, Leandro Barbosa, Jason Terry,Omri Casspi, Richard Jefferson, Michael Beasley, J.J. Barea, Tayshaun Prince, Jason Richardson, Danny Granger, Jimmer Fredette

      Anyone to cross off? Anyone to add?

    50. I’d rather have Lee plus a young player for $15 million than Robin Lopez for $52 million.

      And there’s a long list of ways to have spent Afflalo’s $8 million (Nene, Suns players, Kings players, etc), but that ink is dry already.

    51. I really like Robin Lopez and would be excited for him to join the Knicks. He’s a defensive big, he’s competitive, and he has personality. If I squint, I can start to see an entertaining team that doesn’t suck possibly starting to form.

      The Blazers really took a step up two years ago when they first acquired Lopez. He anchored their defense and was a great complementary player to Aldridge at the 4. Our best Melo team coincided with DPOY-level play from Tyson Chandler.

      Really wish we had better options in the backcourt. I think for Melo to be on a successful team, somebody else needs to be bringing up the ball and dictating tempo. Would also like more shooting to spread the floor.

    52. The Knicks should meet with Tobias Harris and urge him to sign his QO and become unrestricted next year. He’s young and a potential star in the future. Orlando will probably lock him up, though.

      Maybe Wear could come back at the vet minimum just to guard Lebron? :-)

      Still need another C. Cole, or can he get a bit more $ elsewhere. Jason Smith? Phil likes him.

      I’m really hoping that the Knicks get Amundson for the vet minimum. He earned a spot last year, even at the end of the bench as someone who’ll give D and some rebounding at the 4/5 in a pinch.

    53. If Aldridge is still considering the Lakers, who are they selling him at the requisite Center position? (Robin Lopez?)

    54. We’re apparently meeting with Corey Brewer and Derrick Williams today. Brewer on a reasonable contract would be a decent get. I don’t know much about Derrick Williams, but I’ve always thought he was pretty useless as an NBA player.

    55. @68
      Agreed. Melo should pretty much never bring the ball up court. Push it a bit with guys like Grant and Galloway.

    56. Williams has some real skills, but he can’t shoot. Seems like a bad fit.

    57. After signing Corey Brewer, perhaps Phil can see if Shelden Williams, Demitrus Nichols, or Taureen Green are available.

    58. If Phil signs D.Will he’s taking a high risk/high reward approach. I just don’t know that there’s a high ceiling anymore. It’s interesting that I listed neither Brewer nor Williams in my lists ;)

    59. I imagine Afflalo is currently the #2 scorer.

      I agree. I just don’t think he’s a legit #2 scorer.

      I haven’t studied his career closely, but early on I thought he was going to be a terrific player. Maybe he’ll play a little better playing off Melo.

    60. I think by the second half of the season more responsibility will be on Porzingiz. Grant can also get to the cup and Galloway gets hot from 3 sometimes.

    61. I like the Tobias Harris idea, but it doesn’t sound like the odds are high.

      Assuming lopez costs $12M, and AA was $6M, we should have enough left for Biyambo plus $4M or so left, right?

      Does Schved have value as a 3? none of our guards really have that size, except maybe Affalo. How about Copeland coming back?

      I kinda feel like in hindsite, we would have had the $$ for Lopez and Carroll. Wouldn’t he have taken the same deal from us that Toronto gave him to avoid Canadian taxes? I know he’s really into Rush.

    62. IS it correct that if the cap goes up to $69m that the Knicks would have enough cap room to offer one player a contract around 4yr/47m or a contract around 4yr/65m if they stretch Calderon? These contracts are with the 4.5% raise increase and include Lopez @ 4yr/$50 and Afflalo @ 2yr/$16m

    63. Why is it assumed that Lopez is going to cost 12 mil? In this market (the lack of quality centers and the coming cap boom), why would he settle for less than 14 or 15/year?

      The Lakers must be flipping out, so I hope Phil is doing his due diligence there. Get back Randle and a future #1, sign Derrick Williams and KJ McDaniels on 1 year contracts, and throw Zinger to the wolves and begin this rebuild.

    64. Why is it assumed that Lopez is going to cost 12 mil?

      $12-13 million were the numbers being thrown around by the reporters reporting the possible deal.

    65. So here we are, a few weeks after the doom and gloom of lottery night. ESPN was just killing the Knicks. I truly don’t get it.

      We drafted a guy who could wind up being the star of this draft.
      We traded a terrible player for a ready-to-go PG
      We acquired a guy in the 2nd round that could very well have been a top-10 pick if he was in next year’s draft.
      To replace one of the dumbest SGs in NBA history, we signed a 29 YO consummate pro at SG @ $8 mill/2 years
      To replace Bargnani/Cole/Dalembert, we signed a solid, proven rim protector who doesn’t need the ball to be effective at $12 million
      We still have cap space.
      We have (or can sign) some options that might develop and be good rotation players, such as Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie, Shved, Ledo.

      There’s not a single FA who we missed out on that in hindsight had a realistic chance of signing here. This is not business as usual.

      The success of this plan rides on whether Porzingis and Grant are NBA players, particularly Porzingis. I’m very, very optimistic. Porzingis is super smart and plays the game at a different altitude than the rest of the NBA. A legit 7 footer with a 7’6″ wingspan and a 38″ vertical? He should be a solid rotation player this year. Grant is a big, athletic PG who can shoot and pass and is smart and unselfish.

      If Porzingis is a bust and Grant is a fringe NBA player, the plan is not gonna work. There’s a lot riding on these two young guys.

      But no matter what, we will have a SMART team next season. No more dumb basketball. That is a win in and of itself.

    66. I would so much rather keep space open for assets than sign Derrick Williams and Corey Brewer. The Knicks are gonna suck this year and those guys aren’t going to help.

    67. @79 Carroll met first with the raptors and then promptly took their money and cancelled all his other meeting. So we never had a chance.

      What are thoughts on Derrick Williams and brewer with the remaining 8 mil? Woj is tweeting about them. They both fill needs in terms of roster spots. Brewer could start at the 3 with Melo at the 4.

      What is Derrick Williams deal?

    68. What are thoughts on Derrick Williams and brewer with the remaining 8 mil? Woj is tweeting about them. They both fill needs in terms of roster spots. Brewer could start at the 3 with Melo at the 4.

      What is Derrick Williams deal?

      They get deals, they better be 1 year deals with team options

    69. Kinda thinking that it’s going to be Brewer OR Williams. If Aminu and Jae a Crowder are getting 7+ per year, Brewer certainly will.

    70. I’d be ok with Brewer…start in the frontcourt, keeping Melo at the 4. Good pickup if we do it.

    71. 4 years/$54 million for Lopez. It is quite a seller’s market out there.

    72. Robin Lopez is kind of enigmatic. He’s a defensive big that is a bad defensive rebounder. And his D rating is pretty unimpressive. But, somehow, he led the league in Offensive Rating in 2014, presumably because he is a great offensive rebounder.

    73. So:
      Afflalo: $8,000,000
      Lopez: $13,500,000
      Remaining Cap Space: $?,000,000

      (presumably both AA and RL deals are backloaded to the extent that the CBA allows)

    74. It’s possible. Hopefully not. That’s a lot of money for Brewer, who’s basically just a decent player. Not a bad player, so that’s obviously a step up for the Knicks, but honestly, I’m a bit tired of that narrative “He’s better than the horrifically terrible players they had before!” Not exactly much of a compliment there. Brewer is a 3 and D guy who can’t hit threes (except for one playoff game out of nowhere). So that’s not a ton of value.

    75. A Cory Joseph offer sheet using most/all of the remaining cap would make this a decent offseason. Corey Brewer and/or Derrick Williams would not.

    76. @83 – You nailed it.
      We were not getting LeBron, Duncan and Wade to join Melo. This team is heading up, surrounding Melo with solid pieces and mixing in some high risk on high reward prospects. The objective should be that next year free agents should look at the Knicks and ask, “can I be that piece of the puzzle”. That’s what draws them to a team.

      I’m OK with a 2-3 year rebuilding plan. I’m not OK with a 6-8 year plan. We should be collecting more younger veterans with upside. Let’s get Thanasis, Labeyrie and maybe Cleanthony Early, who had a rough start to his career but seems like a good kid can fit in better this year. Next year we add Hernangomez and hope to find another pick somehow. We should target 8th seed.

    77. Is RLo confirmed at 13.5? yrs? Option?

      4 years, doesn’t seem to be with any options either way.

    78. Don’t really like Brewer… think he’s somewhat overrated by smart fans because frenetic hustle make him look like a very good defender in spurts but he is actually a mediocre defender because the same style leads to a ton of mistakes that offset all the benefit. Really don’t see the point of using $8 million of cap space on Williams and Brewer (or for that matter $16 million on Afflalo, Williams and Brewer) to add barely better than replacement level play to a crappy team. Much rather keep the space open in case it turns into a draft pick or a young player at some point.

    79. @104 agreed. Let the young guys play. We don’t need another Calderon to waste cap space on. Stop signing guards that can’t shoot or can’t defend. Two-way players, please!

    80. Really don’t see the point of using $8 million of cap space on Williams and Brewer (or for that matter $16 million on Afflalo, Williams and Brewer) to add barely better than replacement level play to a crappy team. Much rather keep the space open in case it turns into a draft pick or a young player at some point.

      Yeah, I agree with that absolutely. There is a very, very, very, very good chance that there will be guards this offseason (whether free agents or undrafted players) who sign for less than the MLE who will outperform Afflalo. And likewise there will be wings out there who will outperform Williams and Brewer while making chump change. There is little point in spending big chunks of cap space on mediocrity (once you’re over the cap, the equation changes a bit and mediocrity can become pretty valuable).

      Robin Lopez is at least a legitimately good player.

    81. Not too excited about Corey Brewer, who is a horrendous outside shooter and is honestly not very good at anything. If the idea is to spend $4M on Brewer and then the other $4M on a power forward that can rebound, then I guess that’s not the worst thing in the world. The full $8M for Brewer is a waste.

    82. Derrick Williams is Bargnani 2.0, only without the albatross contract or lost draft pick. just make a placard of whatever cap space he would eat up and light it on fire.

    83. Man, it is hilarious just how much the Jimmy Buss Lakers sound like the Knicks. They got a second meeting with Aldridge after he hated their first meeting, because it was all about marketing and nothing about on the court stuff.

      After getting feedback on Aldridge’s reaction to their presentation, the Lakers requested and were granted a second meeting Thursday night. One source said they made a point of apologizing to the 29-year-old Aldridge for not giving a more well-rounded presentation and thanking him for giving them a second chance.

      When you have to apologize to a prospective free agent before your pitch, you know you’re a moron.

    84. I mean Brewer has played 14,000 minutes in the NBA and is clearly a below-average player. If he signs here he’s a lock to play 2,000+ mediocre minutes, because the Knicks don’t have enough wings. Giving 2,000 minutes to Corey Brewer is a good way to have your team suck.

    85. i dont mind signing one way defensive players. The problem in previous years was that we had one way offensive players who werent even good at offense.

      I can live with the two signings so far. Two good vets who arent sooo old that they will break down like the squad in 2013. I wouldnt mind a flyer on derrick williams but not brewer. Williams had a decent second year in the NBA.

    86. Lopez is also really easy to root for, which is nice. I foresee Zinger and RoLo periscopes beating the hell out of the Andy and Landry show.

    87. Yeah, Lopez is easily the most interesting Knick off the court in years.

    88. Isn’t there still a semi-miraculous world in which the Spurs get LMA and we can pick up both Mills AND Joseph and fit them both into the last $8 million?

    89. Please no Corey Brewer- he’s a horrible cherry-picker who just sprints downcourt the minute a shot goes up without bothering to even attempt to rebound and his TS% is still barely above .500. And I agree with ptmilo that his defensive rep is built completely around running around like a chicken with his head cut off rather than actually playing good D. Unfortunately, I think this is true of Robin Lopez on D as well though to a much lesser extent- he’s hard to ignore with all that hair and sometimes it seems like he’s doing more than he actually does. Still a decent signing- he could be a starter on a very good team and once the cap goes up pretty much every starter not on a rookie deal will be earning 10m+. At this point I’d just as soon keep the leftover cap space open for potential salary dumps and troll the d-league to fill out the roster.

    90. I’d rather sign Brandon Bass than Williams

      What kind of money is he looking for?

    91. @ 119 who knows in this market.

      My first choice is still an offer sheet to Joseph/ 1b- trade for the rights for Bjelica

    92. I might be crazy and an idiot compared to the smarter guys here…but for 8mil remaining, maybe we could get like 3 guys out of Hansbrough/Datome/Mo Williams (additional vet presence)/Kevin Seraphin/Teletovic….I dunno, these are under-the-radar blue-collar guys to me that would be solid pickups imo.

    93. Derrick Williams coming out of college was THCJ’s favorite prospect ever lol. Seriously though at his age with his awesome college numbers I would definitely take a flier on him. Thats the type of low-risk/high-reward signing they should make now to round out the roster.

    94. yea it’s not outrageous and the best part is that’s it’s for 4 years…. next year it’s more like a 9.5mm/yr contract…

      i would much rather go after mcdaniels out of the rfa’s… grant and galloway make joseph a bit redundant as much as i like him…

    95. Tobias Harris would be nice if they can get him. He can play the 3 allowing Melo to man the 4. RLo, Afflalo, and Harris wouldn’t be the worst result. Adding useful players that compliment each other is a move in the right direction.

    96. It would be nice if the knicks could get Williams on a Thomas Robinson type deal.

    97. Okay, with Lopez apparently now in, I hope Phil only goes for 1 year deals if he signs anyone else before filling out the roster with vet minimums.

      I’d guess that he does want to add at least 1 more young vet, though.

      Save some of the cap space to maybe make a later rental trade, plus pick(s), for Caldron? Anybody out there looking to move a contract of between $8-12m or so to clear cap space?

      Whatever happened to that Euro that Minny has the rights to that Phil supposedly wanted?

    98. How about filling in the rest of the roster with a few of our own FA’s (Cole/Shved/Amundson) and bringing in Extra E, Jimmer and Seraphim? Beyond that, I agree with the idea of letting the kids grow in year 1. It’ll probably piss Melo off royally, but it’s better for the future of the franchise. If the kids aren’t playing then their growth is getting majorly stunted. I refuse to believe Early sucks after the career he had at Wichita St. Against better competition- he stepped up. I think his rookie struggles were due to him trying to learn the triangle. The one thing the kids can definitely bring is ENERGY. How many nights have we seen the team look lethargic and kinda ho hum? Those young guys are hungry, and will play hard every night to show their worth.

    99. Jimmer/Hansbrough/Cole/Shved/Amundson = whitest and scrappiest bench ever lol

    100. Derrick Williams did get a little better at throwing the ball into the basket last year and he’s a lot younger than Corey Brewer so sign me up for Williams if it comes down to a choice between those two. I’m not sure how the Knicks would swing Bjelica at this point– you’d have to take on one of Minny’s crap contracts like Budinger or Bennett and still have room to fit in Bjelica’s contract, so I’m guessing that is a non-starter at this point.

    101. Jordan to Mavs. Chris Paul’s in trouble.

      I wonder if Cole and Blake will get along?

    102. @129 lmao be careful with that kinda stuff lots of flammables this past week

    103. . I’m not sure how the Knicks would swing Bjelica at this point– you’d have to take on one of Minny’s crap contracts like Budinger or Bennett and still have room to fit in Bjelica’s contract, so I’m guessing that is a non-starter at this point.

      Stretch Calderon is the easiest way or if both Afflalo and Lopez took the lowest possible salary they could this year their still could be a chance to offer Bjelica a good deal and take Budinger. I think.

    104. Clippers have a contingency plan in place for Jordan leaving.

      Amar’e.

      New nickname, then:

      The drachma

    105. How go all offense and trade for melo and put Blake at center.

      OK, I’m begging here.

    106. . I’m not sure how the Knicks would swing Bjelica at this point–

      Stretch Afflalo?

    107. With Jordan at 20 mil per for 4 years, Mavs will be major players for Durant and a Robin next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is already in the works.

    108. With Jordan at 20 mil per for 4 years, Mavs will be major players for Durant and a Robin next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is already in the works.

      We have a Robin!

    109. Unless we get the Cavs to take Calderon off our hands we don’t have enough to make a run at Harris.

    110. We have a Robin!

      Unfortunately, our metaphorical one is being paid like he’s a Batman.

    111. From Chris Paul to Ray Felton: The Tyson Chandler Story

      The Tyson Chandler Story 2: This Time its DeAndre

    112. One note about Jordan. Over the last 3 years, the Clippers have played 1543 minutes when Chris Paul was on the floor but DeAndre was not. In those minutes, the per 48 minute point advantage has been +8.75, a margin that you generally see from the best or second best team in the NBA. Meanwhile, they played 1802 minutes when DeAndre was on the floor but Paul was not. In those minutes, they were actually -1.5 per 48.

      I’m not saying DeAndre isn’t a very good player or needs Chris Paul to be good, because I don’t believe that. I do think that he became very overrated defensively because of Doc’s jawboning and because shot blocking gets attention. But I wouldn’t be shocked if the LAC fall-off is less than you’d expect from losing such a statistically awesome player in his prime.

    113. Maybe Lopez should have waited and gone to LA Clips? (Or do they not have the cap space to replace Jordan? Yikes. What they gonna do?)

    114. Unfortunately, our metaphorical one is being paid like he’s a Batman.

      Luckily we also signed “Batman” Afflalo.

    115. DeAndre is the best defensive rebounder on the planet though, and the Clips were still only 9th in DRB% even with him. I would think their defensive rebounding is going to take a major hit, and that is really going to hurt their defense.

    116. Stretch Afflalo?

      I was considering listing Lopez’s contract along with how much the Knicks will save when they use the stretch provision on him in 2019. ;)

    117. Maybe Lopez should have waited and gone to LA Clips? (Or do they not have the cap space to replace Jordan? Yikes. What they gonna do?)

      They have no cap space. This move is devastating to them.

    118. @148 That’s true. And it’s why if they can get creative (sign and trade Crawford for Pierce instead of using MLE on him?) it could help them a lot to get a guy like Koufos who is a very strong defensive rebounder. Incidentally, he would also be a better get for us than a Williams/Brewer platter if we were intent on giving up the chance to use the room for real upside, given Rolo’s DRB limitations.

    119. Yeah, they really have to deal Crawford now to free up cap space to sign a center. And then, I guess, bring in STAT for the vet minimum or the room exception.

    120. Yeah, they really have to deal Crawford now to free up cap space to sign a center. And then, I guess, bring in STAT for the vet minimum or the room exception

      Is Crawford’s salary still non-guaranteed or only partially guranteed like Heywood’s?

    121. Clips had their shot when the league shafted the Lakers to hand them Chris Paul but they made a pile of idiotic money-wasting moves and now it’s all over baby blue. They should trade CP3 this season while they can still be a kingmaker but of course they’ll wait an extra year or two to get the lowest value possible.

      Lopez – my jaw is wide open, the Knicks actually made a move to applaud. He’s a poor man’s Tyson Chandler but that ain’t bad – $13m for a guy like that still in his 20s will actually look good when the cap goes up. Melo & Chandler were the core of an actually good team, if not a contender. IMO Lopez is more likely than Melo to be part of the next good Knicks team (say, 50+ wins). In a few years? If you squint?

      Not much to say about Melo that hasn’t been said but let us take a moment to mourn the Shump/JR Smith trade. How many here are happier paying Afflalo $8m than giving $10m to Shump? What was the point of that again? $20 million, I guess.

      Brewer, Williams… these guy are 10th men on a decent team. What we have is what we have. If Grant can play and everything goes right the Knicks might hit .500. More likely Melo is demanding a trade by New Year’s and then we’ll see where the bus is headed.

    122. Lopez – He’s a poor man’s Tyson Chandler

      $He ain’t poor no more$

    123. the Knicks actually made a move to applaud.

      Do you really applaud when the guy was, like, #11 on a list of twelve guys they’d prefer to sign?

      Jackson has oopsy-daisey’d his way into making the right moves: 1) tanking for a high draft pick; 2) not blowing the gdp on over-rated, over-the-hill volume scorers.

    124. Considering that Melo and Afflalo are pretty far from being good defenders, I can’t see how we go out there with Calderon as well.

      I really think we need to dump the guy and find an alternative. Otherwise, even with Lopez, there’s no way we crack the top 15 on defense.

    125. It would be incredible if Lopez blossoms as a Knick into a 12ppg/10rpg/2bpg center. He certainly can up his ppg because of his FT shooting. Comparing him to Tyson, he is a much better shooter. I never knew if Tyson was gonna sink any FT’s if he got fouled on his rolls to the basket. With Lopez, if he actually gets touches, I know he’s gonna knock down around 80% of his FT’s. He’s been close to 2 bpg his whole career, so it’s not a stretch to see that. The only real concern for Lopez is his defensive rebounding. If Phil can add another shooter and another rebounder in addition to retaining Cole/Shved/Amundson, I think that he will have done reasonably well this offseason. Melo might not appreciate it because he wants to win immediately, but as a fan, I’m kinda excited because there hasn’t been any knee jerk reactions in the front office. On top of adding players at positions we need help in, all of the new players are high character guys who are also smart basketball players. That helps Melo a lot. These moves don’t move the needle a whole lot, but if Melo embraces it being as talented a scorer as he is, the team can probably exceed expectations. I’m anxious to see what’s next. I hope no one gets injured.

    126. Lopez is a fine player. My thing is he’s not a “triangle” big. A big who can post up, hit a jumper, rebound, play solid defense. Aka an all star. But he’s very solid. And god damn the triangle if it can’t find a role for a high energy, physical, smart player. Not coincidentally, he seems like fun to root for. I’ve been reading some emotional stuff from Portland fans.

    127. Jordan to sign with Mavs, WTF?!? That team may not even make the playoffs in the Western conference. That hurts the Clippers squad pretty badly.

    128. ESPN suggesting that the Knicks might take a shot at KJ McDaniels. He got a QO from the Rockets, so they might match. He didn’t shoot well in his rookie year, but if he did they’d match no matter what. Could be a chance to get a real young wing and see if he develops behind Afflalo for a year or two? The max that he can be offered is $5.5m.

      Maybe take a flyer at $3m and see if they match? Do the Knicks already have a cheaper version of him in Thanasis?

    129. Unless Porzingis is ready for big time minutes right away, and/or Cleanthony magically turns into a very different player from the one we saw last year, we’re not going to have a ton of scoring. I’m fine with focusing on defenders, but I also don’t want to have to play Melo 40 minutes a night because he’s the only guy who can reliably put the ball in the basket on his own.

    130. Man, who’s even on the Blazers now? Besides Lillard?

      How long until NY trades Zinger for Lillard? #whatevermakescarmelohappy

    131. I’m confident in Zinger. He has a sweet stroke. I predict he will avg 12-15 efficient points a night. Melo will volume score. Grant n Gallo will slash and Calderon can still shoot when healthy. I think someone like McDaniel will be a wildcard

    132. Patrick Beverly re-ups in Houston, while Rondo takes a 1 year, $10 mil contract from the Kings — thus totally justifying that trade with the Sixers!

    133. That Beverley contract is unreal. 3 years $18m with a non guaranteed 4th year? That doesn’t foot with anything else we’ve seen.

    134. The Kings need to sign Josh Smith ASAP or JR is gonna have them by the balls.

    135. i don’t think there’s any chance that morey won’t match any offer sheet for mcdaniels… i think he understands the landscape we are in and that is to have as much talent under contract right now… if he’s resigning beverley and brewer to those kind of deals pretty sure this is what he is thinking…

      it’s worth a shot though…

    136. Laugh all you want at Sacto, but is Zinger, Melo, Lopez better than WCS, Boogie and Rondo?

    137. Tell Mills to call Vlade about a Collinson/Calderon swap. They need another shooter besides Belineli

    138. Would the Rockets match an offer sheet with poison pill? Will a team give one?

    139. The more I think about it the more I like the Derrick Williams idea. Williams was able to dial it up to a .540 TS% last year, which is not too shabby, and he will be heading into his age 24 season, so he still has room for improvement. The guy was an absolutely ridiculous 3 point shooter as a sophomore for Arizona– he was 42 for 74, a staggering .568 percentage. Dude had a freakin’ .690 TS% on 28.9 USG in the Pac-10. Last year was easily his best season as a pro, so maybe he is starting to figure it out.

    140. The guy was an absolutely ridiculous 3 point shooter as a sophomore for Arizona– he was 42 for 74, a staggering .568 percentage.

      There’s a whole lot more evidence that’s small sample bullshit. 74 is a 15-20 game run, which even the worst shooters will have by pure luck. He’s a very weak 30.1% in 8X as many NBA 3 point attempts. He is also a really bad 34.2% in 365 NBA attempts from 16-23 feet. And he’s a 70% FT shooter. Really unlikely those #s mean anything.

      Plus he’s been a really bad NBA defender, and he can’t pass. This is 6600 minutes not some tiny sample. He’s 24 and has been a bad teams so why not for free upside at not cost, but I don’t see it if it means spending real money. If I could have Biyombo or Cory Joseph or Mills vs. Derrick Williams I take the all three of former in a second.

    141. Derrick Williams could be a nice gamble.

      He’s never been a good player so far, but I can see some potential.

      His TS% improved every year in the league and If he could reverse his rebounding from his first years, there is hope.

      Just don’t pay him too much

    142. we should def gamble on young guys.. we are going to need a sizable young core going into the big cap era… i just don’t think williams has much hope…

    143. I still say we have one shot to take someone’s salary and land a pick. And I still want our pick back from Toronto…make it so, Phil! I have faith in you!

    144. Derrick Williams may have learned how to shoot but he completely forgot how to rebound- his 7.8 trb% would be embarrassing even for Bargs. Alexey Schved put up a 10.0 trb% during his stint here- maybe we should use him at the four.

    145. You’re talking about how Williams can’t pass and you want Biyombo? Biyombo might be literally the single worst fit for the triangle offense I can think of. He can’t catch, pass, dribble or shoot the ball.

      And sure, Derrick Williams is not a .568 shooter from 3PT, and he has not been a great or even good distance shooter in the NBA, but his TS% has been rising every year and last year was at a respectable .540, and he is pretty good at generating FT attempts, something this current Knick roster will struggle with mightily. He’ll come cheap– my guess is that you could get Williams for something like 2 years, $8M. He’s a hell of a lot better option to me than Corey Brewer at 2/16. He’s not a great player– in fact he’s a below average player– but we’re filling out the roster here. It’s not too hard to imagine the dude putting up a .560+ TS% and being a good bench scorer.

    146. Was thinking the same thing about sending Calderon back to Dallas but they were doing pretty well for themselves with Nelson, Devin Harris and JJ Barea at the point (before they got Rondo) so I don’t think they’ll need Calderon. There’s a major hole at SG there though – wonder why Ellis left..

      Any interest in OKC dumping us Lamb/Jones and Novak?

    147. He can’t catch, pass, dribble or shoot the ball.

      Come the guy doubled his assists last year, he’s a walking triple double. Per season.

    148. Yeah but biyombos good at basketball and Derrick Williams isn’t. If the triangle can’t accommodate good players, fuck the triangle. I’m sure it actually can though–fish already said he’s planning on implementing more pick and roll for grant which is where biyombo excels. I just don’t see the reason to sacrifice good players because of something as nebulous and subjective as “fit”

    149. @195: They already traded Lamb to Charlotte for Ridnour, who they themselves traded off.

    150. Normally I would agree with you about “fit,” but Biyombo is really a unique case. You just cannot run the offense, period, when he is on the floor. In fact, you can’t run any kind of free flowing, ball-movement type offense when he’s on the floor because you can’t pass the ball to him without him either dropping it or passing it into the stands.

    151. If we all sent emails to James Dolan telling him to get Phil to sign Cory Joseph do you think it could happen? It’s like an nba spirit bomb.

    152. If we all sent emails to James Dolan telling him to get Phil to sign Cory Joseph do you think it could happen? It’s like an nba spirit bomb.

      He will probably call you an alcoholic, a mess and ask you to join the Nets.

      Don’t do that.

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