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Knicks Morning News (2025.06.08)

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    Spencer Harrison of the Athletic wrote about Thibs and did a good job articulating why some people can get you most of the way but not all the way:

    Using the whole toolkit is a very common problem in business. People sometimes engage in what we call “mythological learning.” The idea is simple: I’ve become successful, and as I begin to get promoted, I assume that my success is based on all the choices that I have made, rather than realizing that some of the choices I made might have led me to success in part by luck.

    As a result, some of the lessons that you’ve intuited from your success might be the wrong lessons.

    The problem is that what got you there is not necessarily going to get you over the hump in the next role. And if you’re not willing to second-guess or expand your learning, to actually have the conversations to explore what other ideas are available, then it’s hard to see your own blind spots. This might have been a key issue for the Knicks with Thibodeau.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6409194/2025/06/07/new-york-knicks-tom-thibodeau-fired-culture/?source=user_shared_article

    It applies as much to Leon Rose as it does to Thibs. His blind spot is the NBA draft, and he’s never shown a willingness to second guess his approach to it.

    Rose hasn’t been successful bc he ignores the draft, he’s been successful bc he’s had extraordinary luck while ignoring it. His stubborn refusal to use the whole toolkit of team building is every bit the analogue to Thibs’ famous rigidity as a coach.

    It’s gonna be hard to get a good coach in here with Rick Brunson’s role so undefined and with it looking like he’s still gonna be around.(*)

    In the haste to rip him (deservedly) for his game coaching as the playoffs progressed, we missed the extent to which he kept the entire sub-surface mess from unraveling. DDV’s pre-season rant at Rick Brunson (**) now takes on an entirely new meaning — one that isn’t good.

    The LOLKnicks never *really* disappeared around here; Thibs just kept it from manifesting. Until he inevitably became its victim.

    (*) It’s not actually possible that he’s your next HC of NYK, is it? Is it? Will they, as DDV said, actually explicitly “let daddy run the show?”

    (**) Now looking in a way much too close for comfort to Littlefinger.

    Alcaraz Sinner best Sunday morning ever

    Agree, but why is Carlos dressed as the Hamburglar 😉

    So, MLB finally has a women’s league to compete with the WNBA and women’s soccer.

    Credit where it’s due — this is another smart move by Manfred.

    Hot take incoming: baseball fans here might hate me for this, but Manfred is turning out to be the best sports commissioner of his era. And honestly, it’s not even close.

    Spike there. Obviously a backup plan. And he is rooting for the wrong guy.

    Edit – see KBA ahead of me. But Odell and Tony Parker there.

    finally getting around to watching captain america brave new world…

    holy cow, how can it be this bad?!?!?

    man, I hope they don’t fuck up: World War Hulk

    started watching the new predator movie (animated), that was a surprise direction to go…next blade runner will also be animated, the cyber punk vibe seems to fit well with that style…

    Ha, Geo, just watched that yesterday and was like, was that as terrible as it seemed? Thinking about it later that day, yes, it absolutely was. Feel bad for Anthony Mackie, but damn, that was like 2/10.

    well..make that three…my son and I watched it the other night and just staggered to our respective rooms when it ended …not even speaking…wondering why we wasted 2 hours on it…

    I’ve been stewing about the Thibs firing. There’s a lot of bull crap being spewed. A story is being woven. I buy some of it because a great lie is created by injecting elements of believable truths into it.

    The decision to fire Thibs had to come from the highest rank. It had to be Dolan. I sense an owner who got into it with a defiant employee. There was something there and we may never know.

    When hear rumors that players were upset with their roles you say to yourself “that player is not a winner”. When you say that “players didn’t know what their roles were” you’re spinning it to make it look like “the coach didn’t communicate well”. It’s subtle but effective.

    But I ask, “who here didn’t know exactly what each player’s role was on the team?” We might not have liked everything, but we knew who was going to start, who was coming off the bench and who was glued to the bench. In fact, that’s why some players bitched, they knew they were playing 40 minutes, or 10 or zero and it wasn’t what they wanted.

    So that’s all a smoke screen. Apparently Rose and Thibs stopped talking. Rose probably was sent to relay Dolan’s demands to Thibs and was told to jump in a lake. Dolan put Rose in the middle and Rose decided to keep his job. So the rumors of Thibs being on the “hot seat” started to be floated. Once they were floated I knew that nothing short of winning it all would save Thib’s job.

    That is what I believe. Screw you James Dolan.

    I dunno, GoNYGoNYGo. Thibs strikes me as a difficult person to deal with. Towards the end of the season I would look away whenever they showed a close up of his upset, angry face. I can’t imagine spending the whole year with him in that locker room, let alone 5 years. I think those signs of discontent by the players throughout the year were real.

    So, in tennis these days there is a Sinner and a Joker? Is there a Grinner? What about a Midnight Toker?

    The Minutes Police thing was derided here by some but it seems to have been a genuine problem for the players who were being asked to play all the minutes. And in the end it also appears to have been a contributing factor in Thibs’ firing.

    It wasn’t a nothingburger. It was a blunder on his part, and he paid for it.

    Spike there. Obviously a backup plan. And he is rooting for the wrong guy.

    Or is he 😉

    Historic match. Wow.

    all the major sports are now involved with streaming services…

    like shows and movies you have to do a little digging to find them, and hope you already have that particular service…

    Alcaraz just demonstrated “to the last man, to the last minute, to the last bullet, we fight!”

    Sinner was one point away from winning in straight sets, with triple championship point. Alcaraz was down a break in the fourth set. In tennis (even more than baseball), any comeback is possible.

    GoNY, roles go beyond who starts and who comes off the bench. For one, there are roles players play when executing an offensive set and defensive schemes. And you have to communicate that not just well but to the level of personnel you have. Not to upset Zman again, but if you give Jeff Teague’s words any credence, along with other reports that have come out recently, there’s evidence to support the notion that Thibs did not do a good job of communicating that level of role(s) to his guys.

    As I always say, it’s fair game to be nervous whenever Dolan’s name comes up around any kind of team decisions that are made. But ask yourself this: what do you think Dolan would have wanted out of Thibs for demand Rose to let him go?

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