Leon Rose has finally gone all in with this Knicks team, and even had iHart’s hand broken for betraying the team, so now, in a tradition as beloved as never kicking anything to the curb, it is time to predict how many wins you think the Knicks will win this season.
Last year, I went for 53 wins, and this team is much better than the team I predicted to win 53. I was going to go 60, even, but I will pull back a bit and say 58. There is just too much talent here to lose many games. If Bridges were shooting better, and they had Precious healthy, I’d go 6o, but I’ll go 58 for now. Let’s hope I’m low!
Okay, that’s my pick, now I’ll open it up to all of you, along with a poll!
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54.
Offensive rating: 2nd
Defensive rating: 11th
I think we’ll have some growing pains and the injury situation certainly won’t help in that department. We might be lucky to go .500 over our first 10 games. Pacome Dadiet turned 19 recently and might see the floor against the defending champs tonight. We need to iron some things out.
But we’ll hit a stride and look like arguably the best team in the NBA for long stretches.
looks like the betting on our win total for the season remains at 53.5…
the last few years have been a fairly easy guess on taking the over, that line though looks pretty good…
for the first time in a while, i would go for the under…
my guess is 52 wins for the season, another second round exit…
Edit:
Leon Rose has finally gone all in with this Knicks team, and even had iHart’s hand broken for betraying the team
now that’s some true new yorker stuff right there 🙂
Repost: 45 wins and a first-round or play-in exit. Bonus props:
-For no single game in the entire season will this team’s top six players all be healthy.
-One of OG or Towns will have a significant injury by Thanksgiving
-Bridges will shoot under 35% from 3 with reduced volume and will be handily outplayed by DDV.
-Hart will be under 8 PPG per36 and under 33% from 3
-Our defense will be below average due to lack of reliable rim protection or PF/C depth
50
Injury concerns and front court depth
This team is more talented and better positioned for the playoffs long term and needs to prioritize getting to the playoffs healthy
55 wins.
I want to take a moment to appreciate the fact that, after everything we’ve suffered as fans of this franchise, we’re finally legit title contenders. And by and large, Leon n Co did it the right way*: incrementally digging themselves out of the 20-year hole.
*when I say right way, I’m not talking about the general method they used (tanking/hybrid/etc). I’m talking about the fact they realized you can’t undo 20 years of #lolKnicks in one or two seasons.
In a non-parody league I feel this team would have 60 wins written all over it. Like many here, I’m weighing in injury concerns and time for the team to really jell. Within the “jelling” for me is finding out how many of our rooks can develop into bench pieces that can hold down playoff minutes. You have Deuce, Precious (as long as he comes back healthy) and probably Payne. I feel you only need one of the rooks to get there. I’ll take that bet.
48 and ECF
Too thin to endure injuries well, which we will have (OG and/or KAT likely to miss 15 games)
Defense a mess for a couple months and never rises to great, just good enough
Offense great from the start, but it’ll be even better late in the season
Assuming a healthy Mitch et alia for the playoffs, a dominant run and dog fight with the Celtics. Could see us winning it and losing in the Finals.
Repost:
50 wins because I think we’ll play .500 ball for the first roughly 20 games before we find our groove. BUT:
– I predict a top-3 offense
– two +5 BPM players (JB and KAT)
– top-3 team in attempted threes
– conference finals appearance
I think the defense can be great, but that comes with the return of Mitchell Robinson. A trio of Mitch, OG and Bridges has great defensive upside.
Conservative;
55 wins, ECF appearance v Boston and Boston takes it in 7
PURE STAN:
I’m at 56-60 wins with a Finals appearance against OKC and we lose that in 6.
Although I’m at the point now where I feel like next year will be the year the drought ends. The East is going to be murky with the CBA and we’re cap solid for at least 4 more seasons with this crew, picking up ring chaser vets next year that will put us over the top.
50 wins and no ECF.
I think this team’s going to take a long time to gel. I think Towns & OG will miss as many games as Towns & OG usually do. And I think we’ll get another Jekyll & Hyde season from Josh Hart.
But I also think Jalen Brunson will crush it again, so 50 wins.
Elsewhere I expect a resurgent Miami Heat to make the ECF vs the Celtics. I love the Cleveland over (48.5). I like the Timberwolves at +900 to win it all. And fuck Embiid.
– It’s Year 1 of at least a 3-years windows, players need to know each other and learn to play differently than before both on offense AND defense.
– Fragile/Injury prone players (OG, KAT, Mitch), who need careful management.
I hope Thibs will learn and trade RS wins for better health.
On the other hand Mikal, Deuce and Hart are kind of “ironmen”, my fear is that the Coach run them to the ground.
– Bench is less a sure thing than least year, a lot depends on how much Kolek, Dadiet and Huk could help in a relatively short time.
I go with 50 wins (last year 50 wins were enough to get the 2nd seed in the East) and a title contender if healthy in April-June.
I’m on the low end, mostly due to injury concern and time for the roster to jel, so I went with 52.
Meanwhile, very excited by this: https://sny.tv/articles/10-bold-predictions-2024-25-nba-season-knicks-nets
pretty skeptical of dadiet being able to contribute
Reports are that Sims will be the backup center and “might start at times.”
Went with 50-52, up from 48 in the last thread that was depressed by all the depressing posts. My thinking is pretty much exactly what Rama wrote above. Struggles during the regular season, ends in the ECF.
54 wins.
I went for 53. I love the team and I think it’s going to be very strong, but there will be growing pains until everyone settles into their roles, and injuries will probably play a part. I think this team will grow post all-star break and end up on the ECF, and then its a crapshoot what happens.
Dadiet having a bigger role than expected is more of a bug than a feature. With Precious out our bench has no player over 6’6″ besides Sims (sucks) and Hukporti (probably sucks). With 12 players rostered and two of them hurt bar for a 19-year old to get playing time will be as low as it’s ever been for a good team in NBA history.
I will predict a win total for the knicks of whatever the highest number put forth on this thread is, plus 1. You all have a good team now, embrace it!
Shams says we have serious interest in Matt Ryan to fill the Shamet role:
https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1848808723457970612
Matt Ryan is listed as only 6’6″. Pags says no.
As a replacement for Shamet I approve. Plus, I find it amusing that he’s 40% from 3 for his career but 35% from 2.
Literally never heard of Matt Ryan before this moment
Also, feels really really weird to be a relative pessimist after so many years of relative optimism
47 Wins (4 or 5 seed) and 2nd round exit
Team takes longer to gel due to mainly Thibs stubbornness and injuries. They don’t “figure it out” until ~ February and then they look really scary but low seeding forces Boston match up in 2nd round and they loose in 7.
Ryan’s two inches taller than Shamet. But, like Rama, I’d never heard of him before just now. Though I’ve heard of other Matts Ryan, like the quarterback and the guy who played John Constantine on Legends of Tomorrow.
I’m going with 48.
I think we are going to get off to a slow start in part because of the schedule, in part because there are so many new players (I include OG in that to some degree) and in part because of C depth with Precious and Mitch both out to start. Even though I think we solved the backup PG issues, I don’t think we have enough depth at PF/C. IMO there will be other times where this comes into play during the season.
The playoffs are another story. At 100% I think we might be the 3rd-4th best team in the NBA and close enough to Boston pull off an upset and win it all.
50 wins in a more competitive EC, slow start, and more games lost to injuries. Biggest surprising leap, Precious. Knicks gel at season’s end and make ECFs.
Man I could have sworn I was called an idiot all day for not thinking this team is much better than last year. Guess I’m surrounded by fellow idiots.
Matt Ryan wouldn’t be at the top of my list..
56 wins!
I feel so validated! See guys!? I’m not crazy!
The QB from the Falcons?
Im not gonna fall for the usual baits because I’m a changed man, but this is a thread predicting regular season wins, not overall success. I’ll still argue this team is much better positioned for a title run than last year’s team, but that doesn’t necessarily means more regular season wins.
Are we not counting the guy (Dadiet) from the previous sentence? He’s basically 6’8″ w/o shoes.
We also have Toppin at 6’9″ (probably closer to Dadiet w/o shoes).
Do we even need someone over 6’6″ off our bench? We have KAT and Hart capable of playing PF. It’s the regular season. We’re fine and can sign someone if we’re not.
Guys…we won 50 games last year. There was obviously a pretty hard cap on how much we could improve on that. The reason people, including the people tasked with keeping Las Vegas financially viable, think this team is better is because it is perceived to be better built for playoff success.
Agree with that, disagree with that (and get rich in the process), whatever. But we don’t have to pretend we don’t know that a, say, 53 win team can in fact be much, much better in the ways that matter than a 50 win team.
This was my post from the previous thread^^
I’ll revise it up to 52 because I think Mikal steps up if KAT misses time.
I have come to terms with the KAT acquisition, as a move that raises our floor, but lowers our ceiling. I think KAT is about the same level as Randle as a PF, but is a better C than a PF, and much better C than no C (with Mitch injured). But we are paying Divincenzo for that, and I think if everyone is healthy, the squad with Randle and DDV would be clearly better. IMHO, in defense it is more important not to have a “weak link” rather than a “strong defenders that cover bad ones”, specially against top teams. So KAT negates more than what OG provides. OG is a fantastic defender against opposing wings, and a decent defender against guards and centers, which is a blessing because of the versatility he provides, and the ability to switch. But if OG starts the play on the ball handler (for Brunson) or on the Center (for KAT) you are wasting his abilities.
In any case, for the regular season, this team will be good. I predict 56 wins. And for the rest of the NBA:
BOS 59-23
NYK 56-26
MIL 48-34
CLE 47-35
PHI 46-36
MIA 46-36
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ORL 45-37
IND 43-39
ATL 39-43
CHI 38-44
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TOR 28-54
DET 27-55
CHA 22-60
BRK 21-61
WAS 18-64
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OKC 58-24
MIN 56-26
DAL 54-28
DEN 53-29
SAC 50-32
PHO 48-34
MEM 46-36
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GSW 45-37
NOP 43-39
LAL 42-40
LAC 40-42
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HOU 36-46
SAS 28-54
UTA 27-55
POR 21-61
Matt Ryan hit that one huge three for the Lakers when they were spiraling a couple of years ago. Also, he went to my high school, so my brother makes me aware of everything about him.
Matt is from Westchester [White Plains] and went to Iona Prep in New Rochelle so I’m sure he wants to come home.
60 wins. Thibs embraces the modern nba. Defense suffers minimally because of the big wing strength. Brunson finds a new gear with his………passing. He helps unlock the best version of towns. I can’t see most nba teams dealing with us on a nightly basis when even the 4th option (OG), occasionally goes off. Too much firepower my brothers. Everyone shoots and hits 3’s. Even fringe bench guards. This team will surprise and thibs will wring out every possible win as always. 1 seed in the East. With playoff doubts still lingering with 2 straight second round exits. But the regular season- lets just say if the 1993 Knicks can win 60, this squad will win 60 for the first time since! Oh yeah- fuck Boston. Let’s go Knicks.
Towns was the move for Giannis
Oh yeah ecf minimum. Brunson almost willed this team alone to the ecf. Health and how healthy the Celtics are will determine who wins that bloodbath.
I was saying that other than Dadiet, we have no one available over 6’6″ except Sims and Hukporti, so it makes sense to expect he’ll see minutes at PF.
6’4″ Hart at PF is not viable without iHart or Mitch backing him up. Instead we have Karl-Anthony “195th in DEPM” Towns.
Toppin is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, Dadiet might at least be good one day. Is Toppin even on our 12-man roster?
Seems like a good use of KAT’s versatility. More promising for when Mitch comes back, if Mitch comes back.
Makes me think the Knicks are higher on Sims than I am. Thibs always seems to trust him, for better or worse.
The problem is that most of the top teams play 5 out.
Mitch isn’t doing anything special when he’s guarding Brooklyn Lopez or Myles Turner or Horford at the 3pt line.
When there’s no help at the basket, your top defenders need to be able to defend 1-on-1. We have that in spades.
It’s a new era. There’s (1) the offenses with Cs who spread the floor or absolutely dominate inside and (2) a bunch of non-contenders.
Sticking with 55 wins.
I’m feeling 56 wins, but I’m gonna tamp that down a bit and go with 54.
How many guys are you expecting to get injured? KAT/Precious/OG/Hart can all play PF before we get to Dadiet. Even Mikal could get time there over him.
Doesn’t need to be unless he’s playing over 50 games. Toppin is athletic enough to be passable in an emergency.
Why? He’s not getting blown by on the perimeter or falling asleep like Randle.
That was literally my argument!
Last year’s team was really fucking good, so “much better” is going to be a very hard level to reach.
Don’t conflate me with Pags, who thinks we’re worse than last year. I’m picking us to be just as good.
52 wins. Just worried about our big man depth. Losing IHart and Mitch off last year’s team is a lot to lose. I believe IHart’s EPM numbers last year.
If you think we’ll have the same record, but aren’t penciling us in to be without three of our five best players for most of the year like last year, aren’t you effectively admitting we have a worse team?
What would you predict if we had the exact same roster we had in January but for an entire season and healthy? IMO that is a 60+ win team, arguably the best in franchise history.
Well, Precious is hurt already and KAT/OG are a lock to miss 20+ games each. The problem with using Mikal and Hart there is that we also have no viable backup SF, so there aren’t all that many spare wings to go around.
Well there is the fact that he’s giving up 5-6″ against the average opposing PF and he isn’t a daddy long-arms like Bridges/OG.
DAE think this thread should be about predicting our Pythagorean record or SRS instead of actual?
what’s with the down vibes on dadiet…
not being able to contribute to the team seems a bit harsh…
hasn’t he played with grown folks before, those players were not as fast or as talented, but still…
he didn’t look scared, or lost, or unathletic during pre-season play…
he does look really young, and kind of soft though, but, that shouldn’t hold him back too much…
his number one ability this season may just be availability…both during games and practice…
hopefully he can stay healthy…
I voted 50-52, for what little that’s worth. Probably gonna see various guys get dinged up frequently, meaning that there might always be some key player missing.
I like Dadiet as a long term play, spending his formative years under Thibs and on this roster should pay off down the road. Seems a bit premature to worry if he’s ready for a real role yet, and if we end up needing him to play a bunch there’s probably bigger issues going on anyways.
i say 53 (as long as Brunson and KAT don’t miss meaningful time)..it will take a few months to come together…but with Brunson leading the charge and Thibs’ bullheaded regular season approach…I don’t see any regression…
“Yes, we have the potential to do great things, but we have a long way to go and we can’t be complacent,” Brunson said. “We can’t listen to anything that people say, how good we think we are or whatever, that means nothing to us. We gotta continue to work.”
53-55 wins, but more importantly an ECF appearance. Anything less would be a disappointment for me.
Probably. Look, I think last year was the best Knicks team I’ve ever seen. And if Randle, OG, & Mitch had been healthy I think we would be raising a banner tonight.
If this year’s team is much better than that, it’s gonna be a glorious season.
Just like he did last year…
Are you expecting all those guys to have concurrent injuries? Did I miss a report that said Achiuwa is out the whole year? If it does happen, we can sign Warren or Marcus Morris or another player. No team has an infinite number of backups.
If Mikal or Hart play the 4, you have Payne/Kolek/Deuce 1-3. Maybe McCullar if he’s ever healthy
52 wins.
Most of the other good teams in the conference have depth/durability issues just like us, and most are going to be forced to play suboptimal players just like us. We should be a high eFG% team, and high eFG% teams are usually pretty good unless they have glaring weaknesses elsewhere.
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