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Hmmm…Durant and Beal out, Nurkic questionable. Seems like a game we should win on paper.
No, i don’t follow Keita 🤭 closely… in Portugal he played for our arch-rivals, and in the US he decides to go to the Celtics!? He probably doesn’t want my support! 😀
Thought of the day, from someone who was admittedly skeptical of the Towns trade: where would we be without it? I shudder to think.
It’s entirely possible Donte would be shooting lights out if he were still here instead of sharply regressing in Minnesota. And maybe Brunson wouldn’t be struggling if he wasn’t adjusting to Towns. But both OG & Hart owe a debt to the spacing Towns creates for their excellent starts.
We’d likely be getting a major crash course in Randle at the 5 with Achiuwa out. Instead of 8 mins a game it would be around 25. And if Bridges & Donte were playing like they are, that would be ugly.
Really interesting dive into Knicks defense (also offense, but ho hum) by Macri this morning, which suggests (without stating outright) that two of the most impactful defensive players on the Knicks right now are Deuce and Sims, which would also explain why Sims is getting lots of air time while Huk sits.
https://knicksfilmschool.substack.com/p/early-season-check-in?utm_campaign=email-post&r=1yb8qs&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Hubert, my assumption is that if we did not do the Towns trade, there would have been another trade for a C, even if it was just a minor one–I think the Mitch timetable setback would have necessitated it. And depending upon the level not sure what player(s), if any would go out. Perhaps Deuce. But I think that hypothetical team would likely have an equal or better record after 14 games. And if it looks like a 45ish win team in January, we then do the Julius and Donte swap, but this time for Giannis!
Julius and DDV and how many other players and/or picks for Mr. Antetokounmpo, though?
Oops (not “opps”), I broke it again. 🙂
Hopefully BBA’s right and they still aren’t playoff-sturdy, because that Cavs team is virtually the same exact team the Knicks curb-stomped one-plus playoff seasons ago and it looks like they’ve passed us by.
Only chance Cavs have of reaching the Conference Finals is hoping they get the 1 seed while the Celtics and Knicks finish 2nd and 3rd.
I was very critical of Sims early on, but he seems to be improving. It’s getting interesting to see if he can become a useful player even if all the players are available.
This Cavs team looks a lot better
Evan Mobley has made a huge jump, particularly in his 3 point & FT shooting.
Yeah, with Sims, I kind of think it just makes a difference to have a tall person out there who can provide any semblance of interior defense. We have literally no one else, given Towns’ inadequacy. I don’t notice Sims looking much different.
Katz on the weird Bridges experience so far:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933574/2024/11/20/mikal-bridges-knicks-fit/
I’m much more concerned about the defense than the odd nature of his offensive game. I expect the 3s above the break to normalize. It’s his struggles with screens that’s troubling.
This is what Bridges playing defense looks like:
https://youtu.be/WaSk6EtIRNY?si=esSYKN5Tj3pUIe_z
Knicks championship odds have retreated from +750 to +1000. Now tied for third, rather than outright third, and the rest of the pack is much closer and tighter. Cavs up to +1200.
IMHO, those odds give us much less to bitch about.
>> https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933574/2024/11/20/mikal-bridges-knicks-fit/
I like the Knicks having a high PPP despite having a low free throw rate. I like it very much. Watching a ceaseless parade to the line is much less fun than watching long stretches of uninterrupted intense play. Less dependence on %FTE coming from FTs makes winning less dependent on how games are called, worrying about how fair the refs are, etc.. People being more like Mikal in that respect would be good by me. I also like that Sims seems disinclined to complain about fouls even when he clearly has a case. Watching people whine and flop is much less fun than watching players stay focused on the game. More people being like Jericho in that respect would be great also. Winning is fun. Winning without having to watch a lot of unfun things enhances the pleasure of winning a lot even when it comes at the cost of being slightly less efficient.
4th best chance for a championship on Polymarket
It’s really not. Evan Mobley and Darius Garland were babies and that team had no shooting.
This team leads the league in eFG% by a mile. They’re 30 pts higher than us in 2nd. They’re 40 pts higher than the Celtics in third. They generate open looks better than anyone.
This belongs to be filed with “the Yankees are definitely winning the World Series” and “of course Gerritt Cole is going to opt out and get extended, you idiot.”
I’ve been beating the drum for awhile about the Cavs being a lot better than us. Mobley is still very young and compares favorably to Kevin Garnett at the same ages. They are younger with better overall talent and depth, while being less all in than we are. Instead of being held back by JB Bickerstaff, they now have a significant coaching advantage.
Our best case is that we’re the 4th best team in the East behind BOS, CLE, and a healthy iteration of PHI. In the west, all of OKC, GSW, LAL, HOU, DEN, PHO, MIN, and DAL are significantly better than us.
Then there are teams like MIA, IND, ORL, SAC, and even ATL that are comparable.
The idea that we’re top 3 in title odds is laughable; we are very likely not top 10. ESPN’s Basketball Power Index pegs us pretty well.
Cole opted out and the Yankees didn’t let him leave.
Poly is not meant to be funny, its transactional. Lay the money on the wood and cash in. If you loose the bet, your team won a chip.
He opted out, realized it was a costly mistake, and rescinded it before it was too late.
The idea that smart money drove our odds hasn’t aged well. Vegas laid a trap.
Why would I do this? Payout for betting the field other than NYK to win a chip (assuming this is possible) would be very small, so I’d have to lock up a bunch of money until mid 2025 to get a payout so comparatively small that it might be less than the inflation Trump’s tariffs will bring. Plus, Polymarket only accepts crypto so there’s another layer of risk/uncertainty. I’d also be putting money into the pocket of Peter Thiel, who I consider to be the human equivalent of colon cancer for the United States.
Not every +EV bet is wise.
The reason for my “%FTE” brainfart above is that I write “%FTE” as shorthand for “percent full time employment” a lot in dealing with budgets for my grant funded projects. I meant “%eFG”.
Is that true? In that case, the smart money for the election was just keeping it in crypto. No risk of going broke and, if Trump won, crypto skyrocketing was entirely foreseeable.
This. I don’t know why people take Vegas championship odds that seriously. Vegas sets odds to win money, not to be accurate. If you can get every Knick fan to buy in at +700, why would you offer +1000?
If you can’t bet “No” with your money, then you can’t assess fair odds.
Cleveland looks great right now but it’s a long season.
It’s funny, we’re 3rd in offense so far and we were 3rd in offense two years ago and the offense now doesn’t resemble the offense of two years ago at all.
Philly is 3-10 and they’re a hot mess, and “healthy iteration” is more of an aspiration than something that is probably achievable for them.
The Lakers have a negative SRS and are probably the biggest fool’s gold team in the NBA.
Phoenix is 14th in offensive rating and 19th in defensive rating and also have a negative SRS to go along with their negative point differential.
The Knicks rank ahead of both Minnesota and Denver in SRS, so it’s kind of weird to say those teams are “significantly better” than the Knicks. The actual play on the court of these teams so far this season does not suggest this.
So, 5 of the 11 teams you mentioned there are not “significantly better” than us at all. Could you maybe stick to something more evidence-based, and focus less on histrionic whingeing? That’d be great.
It’s almost like Thibs isn’t an inflexible coach with only one way of doing things
Histrionic whingeing is a big part of what we do here. We’re not gonna just kick histrionic whingeing to the curb.
Lol
We only need to worry about Boston, Cleveland, and whatever team comes out of the West. Maybe Philly if they’re improbably healthy.
We have the 4th best offense in the league. Wait… 4th best offense in league history and our guys still don’t 100% know what they should be doing.
They’ve already benefited from their decimation by discovering what they have in Jared McCain, whose 4.9 BPM would rank 2nd on our team.
Being healthy for the playoffs is absolutely achievable, and unlike us it will be their only objective. There will be no chasing marginal wins in game 81 of the season so they can draw a tougher playoff opponent like we did last year. Mitch would probably be healthy now if we hadn’t done that. Do you dispute that if they are healthy their top-end talent is way beyond ours?
SRS isn’t very meaningful at these sample sizes. They have a positive net rating and two of their four losses were to CLE and PHX pre-Durant injury, who had a combined record of 18-1. They have two of the best 10 players in the league and one of the best rookies in this class. Like CLE, they now appear to have a good coach instead of a shitty one.
Disingenuous. They were 8-1 with Durant and since he went down they are 1-5 with a MOV of -8.9. Think that might have affected their ratings?
Minny won 57 games last year in a far tougher conference and the players they got from us in a fair trade have performed WAY below their usual standards, while Towns has played out of his mind. When those things normalize, they’ll be better.
Denver has the best player in the league putting up arguably the greatest individual season in NBA history. Players like that enable you to punch well above your SRS when it counts.
If SRS is all that matters, add MEM to the list of teams better than us as well. Theirs is better than ours even with 2 of their top 3 guys missing half the season. I really should have included them in the list to begin with. There I go again being overly optimistic about our prospects!
Right, so every other team who is already playing worse than us has many avenues to improve, but we don’t. We’re at best the 13th best team in the NBA, with at least 12 teams being “significantly” better than us and that’s just solid basketball analysis and not crybaby horseshit.
Okay dude. Ignoring all of your posts from this point on, because you add nothing to the discussion.
The irony of Pags is that he’s like Swifty for the Sixers.
“We have the 4th best offense in the league. Wait… 4th best offense in league history and our guys still don’t 100% know what they should be doing.”
Wait. Are you saying that the top four current offenses in the NBA are also the top four offenses all-time? That’s sort of believable, but also a bit odd/weird.
I mean it’s like if you want to back something up with some solid analysis that’s fine but this blog shouldn’t be somebody’s personal coping mechanism. That’s just really kind of selfish. Other people are trying to have intelligent conversation.
It’s easy enough to ignore posts though, so all good.
I think we need to worry about Orlando, too.
I have Boston & Cleveland in tier 1, Knicks & Magic in tier 2, and the rest of the East is jockeying for tier 3.
Orlando does have Mac McClung, so they seem legit…
I’m also a little Heat curious. Bam has been shit and Jimmy might be cooked, but Tyler Herro has been insane.
If Jimmy isn’t cooked, I think they’re the best team in Tier 3.
Tyler Herro’s been bumping around the 550-ish TS% range high-usage for his entire career through age 25 and now all of a sudden same guy, same team at age 25, he’s at .651.
Just sayin’.
I just don’t buy their offense, even when Paolo comes back. It’s going to cause them a lot of problems in the playoffs when teams will just pack the paint.
yep, just checked that list of top offenses and the nets at number 12 from the ’20/’21 season are closest to the recent scoring surge from this and last season…
looks like even with a new emphasis this season from refs on allowing players to be a bit more physical, doesn’t matter…
didn’t check to see if it’s all due to increased 3 point shot attempts, but I imagine so…
not sure that more scoring equals a better nba product…
was kind of cool to see the charlotte coach sit lamelo because he won’t (or is unable) to defend better…
hopefully the nba all-star game level of competition doesn’t turn in to the norm for every game…
I poked around on Tyler Herro’s B-R page for about 30 seconds and found a 13 game stretch in his age 23 season where he had a .648 TS%.
#SSS
#RTTM
Maybe Spo can work his magic, but it looks like they’ve got a pretty weak supporting cast around some good but not great “stars”. Herro is a great shooter, but I’m far from convinced his current 45% from deep will be maintained.
We also beat them without much fuss.
It’s not like we’re guaranteed to beat any other team in a series, but I’d feel pretty confident against anyone that isn’t Boston or Cleveland based on what I’ve seen so far.
This isn’t automatically false just because you don’t like it. It’s simply objectively true that we have fewer avenues to improve:
1. We’ve been pretty healthy relative to most teams on that list. Our top five players have been available, and two of them are notoriously injury-prone. Other teams discussed have had injuries to major pieces like Morant, Durant, Banchero, Bane etc. This alone accounts for a lot of CLE’s huge delta from last season.
2. We are all in from an asset standpoint, while other teams have the ability to trade future value to improve short-term.
3. All of our rotation players are more or less finished products who don’t have significant improvement upside. This has enabled CLE to pull ahead of us with even more runway for further development. Teams like ORL and HOU also have a lot of unrealized upside. Even DET might be on our heels by next season.
Do you have an actual reasoned argument against anything I’ve said? If not, then maybe it is solid basketball analysis, and you crying foul because you don’t like my conclusions is the real crybaby horseshit.
Nothing I’ve said has been histrionic or uncivil. I think the team is mediocre and I’ve cited lots of evidence to support that. If you disagree, tell me why I’m wrong.
We’re 3rd this year. Last year’s Boston team was ahead of us too. Last year’s Indy team was a little behind.
howdy g-man, I hope you are healing up well…
stuck in bed a bit at the moment, a few things close to me the last few days challenged my nerves a bit…
it’s a bit weird being stuck and also aware that I am stuck…
I’ve heard before that it’s a very physically noticeable difference after a successful procedure like that (from an energy level perspective)…
have you found that to be true?
Herro turning out to be good after miami tried as hard as they could to trade him for two years would be some typical heat devil magic
I wouldn’t want Herro. He’s not good, and his vibes are nowhere near immaculate.
Lakers suck.
Denver sucks. They should not have kicked KCP.
I’m never going to worry about a team that depends on Bradley Beal.
Houston doesn’t have the offense. Just stuff 5 guys in the paint.
Minn has been healthier and worse than us. Randle won’t keep shooting 38% from 3.
GSW won’t finish the season with opponents hitting 31.6% of their 3s. Probably won’t hit 39% themselves either.
Thibs will figure out the defense, he’s still tinkering, or we’ll get Mitch back and that will fix our defense. Hell, Precious might be able to do it.
See, I can also come up with useless one sided analysis.
I’ve heard an interesting Magic trade rumor: Zach Lavine for Jonathan Isaac and Cole Anthony.
I don’t know, to me as a procedural idea, isn’t it fair to assume that if someone makes a “one-sided” assertion that they’ve considered the other side and rejected it? I’ve never really heard of any rhetorical rule that you have to show your work as to why you rejected the contra position.
You laid out the contra position to Pags well, but my working assumption is that he has considered the other possibilities and rejected them.
It’s different of course if it’s clear that the “one-sider” hasn’t in fact considered the contra position at all and it’s fair game to call them on that without question. And it’s certainly fair and welcome to say, “Yes, that’s your opinion, but here’s the other side,” as you’ve done.
Too many people are jumping on the Cavs bandwagon now that they’ve gotten off to such a good start. I still like my small bet at ~46-1, but they are ~11-1 now and I don’t like that. At that price, I’d probably prefer to book a small bet against them and profit either way.
It was pretty obvious they had a huge chance to be much better this year given all the injuries they had last year, the upside from youth and the positive coaching change, but imo this start overstates how good they are.
Had no idea Knecht had nine threes yesterday…
It’s not all that hard to tell the difference between people who post here in good faith and people who do a shtick. The shticky posters have always annoyed me since the early days of this blog, but honestly there’s an easy solution to that. Ignore them. That part of it is on me, I admit.
Howdy Geo, I have heard the same thing, but it’s too early in my recovery process to tell right now. My real cardiac rehab won’t start for a few more weeks. I’ll keep you posted once that starts.
Pound some egg nog and watch this
https://nypost.com/2024/11/20/sports/espn-will-have-a-disney-themed-version-of-knicks-vs-spurs-on-christmas/
The Cavs were really good last year, too. While we were all swooning over the January Knicks being 14-2 the January Cavs went 17-1. Injuries wrecked their season same as ours.
I don’t think anyone is overrating them. They are not the favorites. They are the #1 contender to Boston in the East.
I heard about the animated game thing…
I kind of remember nickelodeon doing an animated nfl game…
I’ll check it out for a bit for sure…
I don’t think I knew that…seems them winning for over a month straight would have stuck out with me more…
too caught up in our own winning I guess…
Not pictured: analysis.
The supporting cast is worse but Jokic is doing 28/13/11/2.5 stocks per 36 while leading the league in 3p%. I’ll grant you that this is arguable but I’m not sure there’s an upper limit on that guy’s production.
Yes, any team that is better than us can be worse if their best players are hurt. The only Western team we can meet in the playoffs will be the best one, and if we get there even I’ll consider it a success, so I won’t dispute these too hard.
As with Mobley and KG, compare Sengun’s numbers to Jokic at the same ages. He’s rocking 21/13/6/2.9 stocks per36 and 7.4 BPM. That would be the best season in the history of our team if sustained. There’s a shitload of other internal upside there.
It’s also true that offense is much more amenable to development than defense — just ask Kawhi Leonard.
That’s a smaller deviation from expectation than DDV shooting 32%.
Fair on the opponent shooting! However, 39% is far from unreasonable considering they added Buddy Hield and shot .380 and .385 the last two seasons. With SRS over 10 they are probably still a lot better than us even with opponent 3FG% normalized.
It’s also possible there are better defensive strategies against the 3-point shot than “Let the Celtics shoot 60 open 3PA and hope they miss.”
Based on what we’ve seen in Minny, fixing our defense like that will severely degrade our offense. KAT has been a nuclear weapon and is on pace for the highest BPM in franchise history. At the 4 he hasn’t really been better than Randle.
Tony Soprano: “So what’s the fuckin’ answer?”
Junior Soprano: “Who says there is one? You steer the ship the best way you know. Sometimes it’s smooth. Sometimes you hit the rocks. In the meantime, you find your pleasures where you can.”
How about this? 😮
This is your problem. You’re caught up in rhetoric while everyone is discussing the real world. Nobody gives a shit about rhetoric if your analysis is wrong.
There’s a difference between going 14-2 in the the only 16 games a team plays together and going 17-1 in a sample that spans multiple years. The Knicks probably do crash back to Earth, but it’s not quite the same.
“Injuries wrecked their season same as ours.”
That’s quite a revelation, to hear that a team *not* coached by Tom Thibodeau could also suffer devastating injuries that adversely affect a team’s overall performance.
I don’t think the Cavs are on the Celtics tier, they don’t have KP yet. It’s more like Celtics in tier 1 and some teams trying to contest them in tier 2, and the Knicks are there, that’s enough for me. Cavs are there too, of course, maybe the Sixers if they are healthy. Some team might pull a Hawks/Pacers in the ECF run, but what matters is that we are there and have a chance to be the ones to contest the Celtics for the Finals.
I don’t understand what you mean. It can’t possibly be a surprising and previously unknown fact that we were not the first basketball team to suffer injuries. You must think it was a divine disclosure, but Doogie I’m not god.
Looks like that “team meeting” narrative was a wake up call to the NBA refs, Embiid back to his foul winning ways.
(foul winning ways can be interpreted both ways)
Isaac would be perfect here…..
RJ and Quick with Obi 🧡💙
https://x.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1859392141606244660
(click to see the photo)
one of the things I like most of clyde and mike calling games is how fairly even to both teams they are…evenly critical at times, which is fun…
they’re “homers” for sure, but they don’t sound it…
the game is on espn here so we’ll get whatever crew they have assigned to it…
jamal has been in the studio for a while now, I’m sure he’ll do well on the broadcast…
doesn’t hurt having the call with another hall of fame announcer in breen…
Does he even matter? They win 80% of their games with or without him
100% geo. they call out both teams for their “folly”
so many other broadcasts (yes i watch streams) are so pally pally with their players and they can never do a thing wrong.
we are so lucky to have breen & clyde
speaking of the cavs, just watched that jarrett allen dunk…wow…
Mitchell Robinson was at the Knicks shoot around today in uniform and taking shots? That’s a good sign.
That’s fair, but i still think that in the east the Celtics are the only team in tier 1.
I-Hart playing for OKC tonight.
The Pelicans not only signed Elfrid Payton but they started him tonight, that is fucked up.
The refs were actually in the team meeting.
The Celtics in a tier by themselves makes sense but the Knicks in the same tier as Cleveland does not.
Guys they’re killing people and hardly breaking a sweat. We’re going to the whip in November and getting mixed results against non playoff teams.
A lot can change between now and May but until it does we are simply not on their level.
And the Sixers are not on ours. Please stop fellating these bums. They need to get off the mat first.
Fellating is back. How we missed you! Lol
Giannis has 38 points on 16-20 shooting and the Bucks are only up 4 on the Bulls what a waste
Teams are what the talent and chemistry/fit says they are. 10, 20 or even 30 games don’t mean that much.
When a team is over performing or under performing there are usually temporary reasons. Usually it’s injuries, either the team itself or drawing lucky and facing a few teams with key injuries. It can be random good or bad luck shooting. It can be incorporating new players. It can be locker room/coaching issues etc…. But in the end talent/fit is what matters as long as you are evaluating the talent and fit correctly.
The 76ers are a very good team.
If you want to argue Embiid is done, you can try to make that case, but that’s far from certain. If you want to argue that one of either Paul or Embiid will be hurt for the payoffs, that’s a risk. But IF they do get into the playoffs and are healthy you’d have to be a crazy person to want to face the 76ers.
The Sixers big 3 lasted for all of two quarters and change.
What happened? Did someone get injured?
“The Pelicans not only signed Elfrid Payton but they started him tonight, that is fucked up.”
And he had 11/8/5 in 22 minutes. That’s more than he got in his last five games for us combined.
“That’s quite a revelation, to hear that a team *not* coached by Tom Thibodeau could also suffer devastating injuries that adversely affect a team’s overall performance.
I don’t understand what you mean. It can’t possibly be a surprising and previously unknown fact that we were not the first basketball team to suffer injuries. You must think it was a divine disclosure, but Doogie I’m not god.”
It was sarcasm, but it wasn’t aimed directly at you, Hubie. Many here keep saying that the only reason we had injuries last season was because of Thibs overplaying guys, but other teams also had injury situations at least as bad as ours whether or not the coach was overplaying guys.
Hartenstein 9 and 13 with 2 blocks in 23 minutes. Dammit.