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No playing with our food tonight. Get it done, move into the 3 seed, and then deal with whatever comes later.
Also, good Katz article on our ongoing offensive struggles whenever Brunson isn’t on the court, and potential new things Thibs could try, both with the current group and whenever OG and/or Julius return: https://theathletic.com/5364934/2024/03/25/knicks-offense-no-jalen-brunson/
I do not like the radio silence on OG. We are in day 7 of it, or did I miss something?
Listening to Bill Simmons’ pod and he and Russillo drafted Hartenstein to a “white guy” slot on an all-defense team, a dead giveaway they’ve never gone down the wild road of googling “Isaiah Hartenstein father.”
When you are starting 2 – 6′ 1″ guys in your back court and 2- 6′ 4″ forwards plus employing Sims as your back up center and your backups are your 8, 9, 10th and 11th guys you aren’t playing with your food. against any NBA team. Sans the 2 crazy buzzer beaters the Knicks would have been up by 5, a perfectly reasonable out come at that point in the game.
Plus, the Nets had Bridges who is one of the few guys in the league with the ability to give Brunson problems one on one.
Why is it thought be be humorous to have a “white guy” NBA team in 2024? Are we in 1954?
I guess, sadly, I answered my own question. 🙁
OG still being ruled out the day before games (i.e. not even warming up to try to play) a week after what originally sounded like more of a pain management type absence is certainly a very bad omen. I’m bracing for bad news personally.
Easy to predict.
We are an unfinished product even though things will certainly improve when/if Randle returns.
They have two jobs in the off season.
1. Backup PG (must)
2. Upgrade a position (if possible).
Are we in 1954?
I thought you were a doctor. But only a lawyer could have picked that year???
Now that Thibs has stopped playing two centers, I can move into the “what else can he do?” camp.
When he was trotting out Precious at PF for 40 minutes a night next toSim and iHart and we were losing games at home to the Hawks, Sixers, and Pistons (technically a win by the grace of a bad call), I found all the “there’s nothing he can do” defenses to be pretty hollow.
Lo and behold, he moved to Deuce into the starting lineup. There was something he could have done all along! The criticism was justified.
Now that he’s done something, though, I’m happy to let whatever troubles we have due to shorthandedness slide.
I still think he is mismanaging Bojan by playing him with a second unit that lacks a creator, and that letting him play his 18 mpg with the starters instead of the bench while OG is out would help. But given how terrible Bojan looks, it’s not a hill I’m willing to die on.
To be fair, only Thibs would come up with “play Deuce 48mpg” as a viable solution
I think he should really try Brown or DaQuan to give Deuce a break. They should be able to shoot 3s well enough to avoid the Precious problem
Lol. 35 mpg would have worked just as well.
I’m assuming he won’t play Deuce 48 minutes every game til OG comes back, but maybe I shouldn’t.
Hubert, you are 100% vindicated. I stand corrected.
I posted this in the other thread last night, but still can’t wrap my head around the Lakers getting 43 FTAs last night (16 for Indiana).
A bunch of FTs were in the last minute, the Pacers kept fouling and hit 3 consecutive 3’s. But beyond that, the 4th Q seemed pretty balanced foul-wise. The Pacers had no answer for AD.
Every competent high school in America (at least north of the Mason Dixon Line) taught Brown v Board of Education in the mid sixties junior US History classes… do they even teach US History anymore?
In the ATL loss, we were missing Brunson, OG, Mitch, and Julius, and Hartenstein was restricted to 20 minutes. Deuce started and played 46 minutes. Bojan played 31 and scored 19 points on 18 shots. In the Philly loss, Brunson shot 6-22, Josh Hart shot 4-13, DDV shot 6-17, and Deuce was 0-5. Bojan had 10 points on 8 shots but was a -12 in 18 minutes.
While I don’t think either of those two games could reasonably be blamed on lack of adjustments, clearly there was a need to experiment with something, and the GSW game presented the perfect opportunity to do so given how small they play. I don’t think anyone here was calling for Thibs to start Deuce and play him 40+ minutes, but it’s working so he’s rolling with it.
Z-man bringing the heat of reality this morning.
To listen to some here one would think Thibs has the coaching chops of that dude that coached GCU yesterday!
Wow, from the Katz article:
“The ball sticks with Burks. He’s in the 97th percentile in usage since coming to New York, yet only the second percentile in efficiency, according to Cleaning the Glass.”
and
“The Knicks have played 316 possessions with Burks on the court and Brunson off it this season, per Cleaning the Glass. They are averaging a mere 97.8 points per 100 possessions during that time. That is in the zeroth percentile amongst NBA lineups.”
Which completely matches my eye test, which is that Burks has been throwing up (or vomiting) shot after shot whenever he touches the ball, largely ineffectually. He was never a good passer (why I was not excited about the trade, because he’s so not a point guard), but it seems like passing has completely slipped his mind nowadays.
Bogey has looked worse in terms of slow and sloppy, but it’s arguable that Burks has been worse.
Bojan with the Knicks has the lowest TS% of his 10-year career, along with the highest TOV% and his lowest AST% in 6 years. That gets you to a -6.4 BPM. I’d be more optimistic if it was only the shooting (he’s also at career lows .346 from 3 and .438 for 2). Even his FT% is the lowest since his rookie year.
I don’t know, maybe the fact that he was playing for an awful team masked the fact that he might be cooked?
Edit: and despite all of this, Burks is still having a worse stint with the Knicks. A 433 TS% on 28% USG boggles the mind.
Bojan is just missing open shots. When he came in he was playing to the back of his card for the first 6 games, it wasn’t until after that he started bricking everything.
Specific to Burks, foul calls are down across the league and that could have significant negative effects with how dependent he’s become on drawing fouls off the dribble. Seems to be a concerted effort from the refs to just let them play through contact more often.
Detroit has a lot of problems but a lack of PGs isn’t one of them. Playing with Deuce instead of Sasser/Cade/Ivey/Hayes could be another issue for both Detroit Terrible Boys.
I didn’t watch the game, so thank you for the context. But it also looks like it was a 31-11 disparity at the end of the 3rd quarter. Maybe it was AD, but it’s odd.
This prompted me to look, and lo and behold, the Lakers are by far the team with he largest FT differential at +420. The Bucks are second at +222. The difference between #1 and #2 is the same as the difference between #2 and #16. That’s 2.3 standard deviations from the average.
Interestingly the Pacers are last at -377. So last night’s result was bound to happen. Though I find it hard not to believe that the Lakers get a very nice whistle.
Gee, I wonder why?
Bojan has 27 turnovers as a Knick, his TO% would be right about his careeer average if he had 23 or 24, that’s not telling us anything useful.
Bojan has sucked as a Knicks but we still can’t tell if he’s sucked because of something the Knicks and/or Bojan are doing or if it’s just some bad games in a small amount of time.
LeFTMerchant
I keep trying to remind myself that it’s only been 350 minutes, but they have been so avert-your-eyes bad that it’s hard sometimes. Plus, he might not get to 450 minutes if he doesn’t get better quickly.
Raise your hand if you’re waiting for some bad OG news
(sorry can’t help myself, the force is strong with Dolan’s Razor)
Not yet, but I will be if he isn’t playing by the Buck’s game in 13 days. Randle the same.
If OG has to play left handed he’ll still be more useful than everyone except Brunson, Hartenstein, & Donte. He’ll definitely play in the playoffs.
He barely missed a beat in his couple games back. Maybe bring him in for the last couple games to get up to speed, otherwise I’m happy with him sitting as long as possible.
That prompted me to look at last year and wouldn’t you know… the Lakers led the league in FTA with 2,182. They also led the league in lowest opponent FTA with 1,706.
They’re plus 698 FTAs over the last two seasons. The aforementioned Bucks come in 2nd with 340.
Btw have you all figured out that twice-banned ProjectKnicks is back yet or do you have to wait til he starts talking about chess to figure it out?
They’re plus 698 FTAs over the last two seasons. The aforementioned Bucks come in 2nd with 340.
One day…hopefully soon…other teams’ blogs will be prompted to look at our FTA stats and complain. With our defensive intensity likely won’t be prompted to complain about FT differential.
There’s not much to say about OG other than every game he misses, the harder it gets to believe this is “maintenance” or whatever. The Knicks will never use these terms, but it sure seems like a re-injury and/or aggravation.
The silver lining is Deuce is looking like mini-OG, but mini-OG is not nearly as good as life-sized OG and in any event I’d like to have both.
Honestly, my biggest fear with Bogey is that Thibs overreacts to a small sample of missed open 3s. I’m not having anymore fun with the Bogey experience than the next guy, but the version of Bogey that existed before his last 357 minutes is still a player who could help us a lot.
As DRed is fond of pointing out we really are still in the pre-stabilization period. If he his 35 of his 3s instead of 28, he’d have a 58% TS. I’d stay the course until it becomes clear he somehow became cooked at the trade deadline. I understand some of you guys feel we’ve reached that point and it’s hard to argue based on what we’ve seen, but 357 minutes really isn’t shit!
My guess (hope) with OG is because he had that setback, they’re now just being super extra cautious.
Honestly, with both Randle and OG, I think waiting until there’s like 5 games left is probably the wisest course of action. That starting 5 should be able to click and get on the same page again with a few games and I’d give them both 5 to shake off the rust.
Mitch I think we need to ramp up a bit more. He’s missed more time off and his conditioning is probably going to be worse because it was a foot injury. So I’m hoping he returns in the next game or two so we can start him off with 10 minutes off the bench and slowly ramp him up to about 20 by the playoffs.
If we get to 5 games left on the regular season, then I’m officially worried about Randle and OG.
I’m officially worried about Randle now
Noble, I’m actually with you on the Bogey side of things, he’s just been beyond horrible to watch but I am still refusing to believe this is who he is now. We’ll see.
Not with you on OG, more on EB’s camp that every game out is another stretch of getting better, and we’re doing fine without him so far. Bring him back late when we have some tougher games and we need to tune him up for the playoffs.
FYI Noble, I think you’re the one in love with the Ohtani betting thing? I came across an article this morning that said much if not most of Mizuhara’s CV was total lies (school he attended, previous translator jobs). Now I can’t find it…
OG was not ready to play when he was cleared to play.
Emerging slowly from the shadows…….
“Btw have you all figured out that twice-banned ProjectKnicks is back yet or do you have to wait til he starts talking about chess to figure it out?”
I do remember a poster with that name, but I don’t remember his or her persona or what they got banned for. But I will say this: If all someone has to do when they are banned is to create another username and/or e-mail address in order to post again…….well, there would be something sorely lacking in the banning process.
Is that Shake Milton’s music I hear?!?!?
This is a fair statement. He was ready to play by the metrics used by the Knicks AND OGs medical people, but his elbow disagreed.
His elbow has the deciding vote.
“Is that Shake Milton’s music I hear?!?!?”
Would love Shake to get a shake. I fear another 48 for Deuce, though.
Although with Thibs, they’re not mutually exclusive…
“Is that Shake Milton’s music I hear?!?!?”
I’ve been advocating for giving this guy a few minutes to see what he is these days, but there have also been games where we could have easily done so…….and didn’t. So I can’t say that I particularly expect it tonight, either. He’s an “break glass in emergency only” guy in Thibs’ eyes, for whatever reason, and I have no expectations that Burks’ absence will change that. We’d much more likely see another 48-minute game from Deuce tonight…….then again, hopefully that won’t be anywhere near necessary against Detroit.
See now that Raven just basically said the same thing. Hi, Raven.
We’re 16 1/2 point favorites tonight. If all goes well, you’re a good man Charlie Brown and the lesser Toppin will get plenty of court time.
ProjectKnicks was, to my memory, an aggressive redpill Rogan edgelord kind of guy. Or is that some other dingus I’m thinking of?
“…will get plenty of court time.”
If I were a betting man (I’m not) I’d put the over at 1 minute left. Of a 17+ point blowout.
Hey, Doogie. Welcome back. Look, I used ‘were’ correctly in your honor.
I clearly isn’t maintenance. It appears to be an inflammatory reaction engendered by amping up his activity post-surgery. In hindsight, it appears they increased his workload prematurely. Each case is one data point in a continuum of recovery. Sometimes what you consider the median recovery time isn’t sufficient and find you needed closer to the upper range. This is how things work in real life. If you make this sort of mistake with regularity, the entire medical staff needs to be re-evaluated. You can’t claim every case, in hindsight, is an outlier. Maybe your range of recovery time is bad.
Thanks for both, Raven.
The Detroit injury report today is Grizzlies-like.
Thibs should let Bojan shoot himself out of his slump tonight, honestly.
Hollinger on us stealing the Nets’ thunder is a fun little read.
At the end of the day, we’re all just speculating about OG so I don’t find it to be a very interesting topic. He’ll come back healthy or he won’t. For me personally, it’s hard to view missed games as anything but a negative sign. However, if they help him come back at 100% by the playoffs it should go without saying they are completely fine by me.
And yeah, that’s me. Mizuhara being the George Santos of translators is certainly interesting but I’m not sure how much it clarifies, besides the fact that, yeah, sounds like the kind of guy who might find himself in millions of dollars of gambling debt. It’s still very hard for me to believe Shohei knew nothing about $4.5M being transferred from his account, in his name, to a bookie.
I guess it’s possible though? I suppose the 0.0000000001% aren’t exactly checking their balance all the time, and Mizuhara might’ve had more or less free reign to do what he wanted with Ohtani’s finances.
I don’t know about you guys but I am pretty much taking it for granted at this point that we’ll be without both Randle and OG in the playoffs.
Knickerblogger: At the end of the day, we are all just making shit up.
yeah, i think you nailed it there noble 🙂
I’m not making a claim either way, I’m just saying that shutting OG down until the last minute as a precautionary measure would also be reasonable.
If we start trending towards the play-in and he still sits, that’d be a better test of his health.
They have nothing to play for, I suspect some of those guys would suit up if they were on the verge of making the play-in instead of leading the lottery. Granted, I have no idea what their injuries are.
Marechal, you were not kidding:
Was the Taj Gibson inclusion a joke or is he actually on the Pistons?
“I think he should really try Brown or DaQuan to give Deuce a break. They should be able to shoot 3s well enough to avoid the Precious problem”
Jeffries isn’t on the team as of right now. The team let him go into free agency yesterday after his second 10-day contract expired.
So at least we’re safe from the Quentin Grimes revenge game. 😉
We’re pretty good right now as far as not being in the play-in and we have 4 “easy” opponents coming up. So continuing to sit OG doesn’t seem indicative of anything to me at this moment. I mean, it’s the smart thing to do, right?
With the Wizards somehow having won 2 in a row the Pistons have reclaimed the top tankathon spot and that injury report definitely looks like they have no plans to relinquish it.
You mean they’re plus 896 FTAs, right? Maybe you scramble the numbers.
Because they’re +420 this season, and last season 2,182 – 1,706 = 476.
Taj is a member of Knicks Central, yes.
https://www.nba.com/player/201959/taj-gibson
this is the play where og seemed to really aggravate his elbow
https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2024/03/14/0022300960/255/8630a300-41df-e6d9-51e7-bbd8a263fb69_960x540.mp4
man, I jammed my toe the other day, and it hurt like hell…
you wouldn’t happen to have no video of that too, would you…just to you know, reminisce on the pain…
just kidding milo, I’m bored a bit, but don’t feel like doing nothing about it…
just maybe make some more dumb comments about folks’ thoughts…
I’ll be honest cyber, the ease with which silver changed the whole nature of the game kinda shocked me a bit…
it went from synchronized swimming to greco-roman wrestling pretty much overnight…
the nba has a plan, to make money, so…
watched some young turks over the weekend and am feeling a bit bitter towards unchecked capitalism…
and how it gets manifested in the lakers constantly getting a favorable whistle – that equals wins…
i got you geo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbp4FT5rSok
awwwww, I love you milo ♥️
I watched the clip, I actually thought it had happened after he fell and got tangled with another player under the basket…
main point though – second he looked like he was experiencing anything, he should have been pulled…
hopefully leon is a yeller and screamer in private…the medical staff and coaching staff need to get the message on the value of the players/assets…
Jeffries isn’t on the team as of right now.
while a kinder world would make concessions for faultless ignorance, the was nonetheless in error when written and as such i’m afraid you are honor bound to fall upon your own pen in the public square
It was correct at the time that I wrote it (2:59 p.m.), and then the Knicks signed him to a contract later in the day after that point in time (reported at 3:46 p.m.).
If I had actually been incorrect, of course I would admit as such. I have no problem doing so.
Wait, the Knicks now sign guys just to prove Doogie is wrong?? Wow! 😀
And it’s CDiggy that has to endure their annoying (and not very smart) fans!
pt I remember that, didn’t hear the scream but saw the body language. That elbow pain is probably going to be around for a loooooong time. Hopefully he doesn’t go all Landry Fields on us…
It was correct at the time that I wrote it (2:59 p.m.), and then the Knicks signed him to a contract later in the day after that point in time (reported at 3:46 p.m.).
as mentioned ignorance of the law is no excuse here on bluebookblogger. reported at 346pm but almost certainly signed and delivered by 259pm. it is well established that it takes at least 25 minutes to extract oversized limbs from underneath the little table and fred katz is a known thumb typer. no self respecting volunteer clippy would dare stet her own erratum.
On one hand, it seems obvious Burks should not have been playing through shoulder pain. On the other, how could we possibly have gotten through this recent stretch without his stellar play?
@ptmilo re Jeffries: LOL
Our injury list should come with comments, like this:
Randle is out… bummer!
OG is out… bummer!
Burks is out… yay!
My radical idea is for Tom Thibodeau to plau Shake, Brown, Toppin, etc. against the Pistons’ G-League team instead of making Deuce play 48…again.
On the bright side, I was thinking of how Deuce’s recent play has been something like a 70%+ stand-in for OG both statistically and stylistically, so I looked up the stats and they are damn near identical on a rate basis.
We seem to have OG and mini-OG, which might just be the best comp for Deuce moving forward. Hopefully we have both OGs available for the playoffs.
Did I ever tell you guys I hate you? I came here as a reasonably normal person and I am devolving into a conspiracy nut.
That god damned video! Stop it a few frames after he initially swipes at the ball and then winces in pain. Blow up the screenshot.
He grabs well above his elbow in the lower biceps region! Goddamn it!
So Thibs says:
– Randle is doing controlled contact but not full contact. He has been on this stage for a few weeks but has not had a setback.
– OG went through parts of shoot around – a positive step – but is still waiting for the inflammation to subside.
– Mitch is the closest of the three to coming back.
I’m excited for Mitch, but if someone told me 6 weeks ago that he would be the first to come back, I would probably be disappointed.
Welp, we’ve got our first official betting-on-the-NBA scandal. Not exactly a big name, but still a bombshell.
Jontay Porter has been getting a weird number of assists lately!
Bill Simmons clearly loves the race draft Chappelle show skit. IHart identifies as Black right?
It would be awesome if we could get healthy.
The Ohtani story is not convincing at all, though I suppose we will find out in due course with the Feds investigation.
He speaks English! Mike Trout has said as much 3 years ago!
https://x.com/FabianArdaya/status/1386774036311547909
I am not sure how he would be completely in the dark like he claims he was. And who gives an interpreter the ability to wire millions from one’s account?
Finally something that falls under my expertise!
It’s not possible. The checks and balances on wire transfers for the UHNW are numerous and impossible to evade.
If these transactions were actually unauthorized his financial institution would be required to make him whole, and if they did that, he’d be able to present it as evidence that proves his innocence. If he’s not doing that, it stands to reason he authorized them.
The only way it could have happened is if Ohtani gave his translator power of attorney to make transactions, which I suppose is possible but would be incredibly stupid. Even as a plot device in Rocky V it was unbelievable.
“Welp, we’ve got our first official betting-on-the-NBA scandal. Not exactly a big name, but still a bombshell.”
What is the NBA betting scandal about? Not that I’m disinterested in the Ohtani stuff—in fact, I find it fascinating—but I’m much more interested in discussing an NBA betting scandal. Is it the refs again?